Read somewhere that when Soviet Union iinvaded Ukraine after the Red revolution the USSR transferred the grain production into collectives. Production went down so much that the Ukranians almost starved.
blue streak 1 Read somewhere that when Soviet Union iinvaded Ukraine after the Red revolution the USSR transferred the grain production into collectives. Production went down so much that the Ukranians almost starved.
That is about 50% correct. The 50% that is missing is halfway through the collectivization disaster.....rumors reached Stalin that "the Rebellious Ukranians" were actually hoarding stockpiles of food and grain and not releasing it to the larger country. Stalin sent in his stooges whom broke into farms, houses and apartments and confiscated anything that was edible along with removing edible items from all the stores ensuring that starvation would be a form of punishment. Approx. 3.9 million Ukranians died of starvation the following 2 years.
Isn't Russia where illegal scrappers steal entire bridges and other infrastructure? "If it's the people's, I'm a people" gone wild. Was that another pesky Doctor Zhivago reference?
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CMStPnP blue streak 1 Read somewhere that when Soviet Union iinvaded Ukraine after the Red revolution the USSR transferred the grain production into collectives. Production went down so much that the Ukranians almost starved. That is about 50% correct. The 50% that is missing is halfway through the collectivization disaster.....rumors reached Stalin that "the Rebellious Ukranians" were actually hoarding stockpiles of food and grain and not releasing it to the larger country. Stalin sent in his stooges whom broke into farms, houses and apartments and confiscated anything that was edible along with removing edible items from all the stores ensuring that starvation would be a form of punishment. Approx. 3.9 million Ukranians died of starvation the following 2 years.
Then everyone doesn't understand that Ukrainians HATE Russians. People say that "they have the same language and heritage". So did the plantation owners and slaves, just on opposite sides.
The forced starvation of the Ukrainians in the 1930s is called the Holodomor. Their holocaust. Not much different from Ireland in the 1840s when the potato crop failed and what crops that were edible were sent to England.
Convicted One Euclid What I don't understand is why you seem to believe that I disagree with those points. I have gone to the end of the earth to understand Putin and our reaction to him Well, I'm only human. Perhaps I've misjudged the intent of some of your comments that appeared strident on their surface. If that's the case, you have my sincere apology. There just seems to be such an overwhelminging pro-west spin on the news crafted for our consumption, that I thought I recognized similar patterns in your rhetoric. (we can send jets and that is just "balancing the inequity", but anything Putin did in response would be escalation) just as a simple illustration
Euclid What I don't understand is why you seem to believe that I disagree with those points. I have gone to the end of the earth to understand Putin and our reaction to him
Well, I'm only human. Perhaps I've misjudged the intent of some of your comments that appeared strident on their surface. If that's the case, you have my sincere apology.
There just seems to be such an overwhelminging pro-west spin on the news crafted for our consumption, that I thought I recognized similar patterns in your rhetoric. (we can send jets and that is just "balancing the inequity", but anything Putin did in response would be escalation) just as a simple illustration
Background. Remember how the US maintained there were weapons of Mass destruction that Saddam had. There were a lot of US officials that were not told the truth.
Speculation. Suppose Putin was not and is not being told the whole truth about Ukraine? Leave it for others to speculate.
Article about trains in western Europe and how the war is changing things. may be paywalled.
Europe’s Trains Take Fighters to Ukraine, and Bring Back Refugees - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Euclid I have seen some speculation that since NATO will not allow Ukraine into NATO at this time of their dire need, they may make a deal to join Russia in exchange for ending the attack on them.
Euclid I have seen some speculation that since NATO will not allow Ukraine into NATO at this time of their dire need, they may make a deal to join Russia in exchange for ending the attack on them. It is expected that this will rile NATO because they do not want to see Ukraine be absorbed into Russia. But yet they failed to help Ukraine because Ukraine would come with the baggage of being in a war with Russia that NATO would have to fight. This will be very interesting to watch.
Garbage!!
There are reports from POW's that Putin has reinstituted the use of commissars to "improve morale at the front" via administration of "Stalin's aspirin". I'm taking the claim with a grain of salt, but...
Article about evacuations by rail.
On Board the Mobile Command That's Keeping Ukraine's Trains Running (businessinsider.com)
This VERY interesting background bio from Mark Felton Productions on Vlad the Impaler's just popped up.
I think everyone will find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2_EFJLWA6o
blue streak 1Speculation. Suppose Putin was not and is not being told the whole truth about Ukraine? Leave it for others to speculate
Just being the cynic that I am, potentially that might be universal? The facts I am seeing in our news appear "scrubbed".
Flintlock76 This VERY interesting background bio from Mark Felton Productions on Vlad the Impaler's just popped up. I think everyone will find it interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2_EFJLWA6o
charlie hebdo Euclid I have seen some speculation that since NATO will not allow Ukraine into NATO at this time of their dire need, they may make a deal to join Russia in exchange for ending the attack on them. It is expected that this will rile NATO because they do not want to see Ukraine be absorbed into Russia. But yet they failed to help Ukraine because Ukraine would come with the baggage of being in a war with Russia that NATO would have to fight. This will be very interesting to watch. Garbage!!
In what way?
Tass? Seriously?
A Feb.25 article?
Opinion pieces?
How can anyone trust any agreed Russia signs? They have violated the agreement they signed in the early 90s.
Russia has little experience with a representative government. It is an authoritarian state with limited access to anything but state media, headed by a former spook.
charlie hebdo Tass? Seriously? A Feb.25 article? Opinion pieces? How can anyone trust any agreed Russia signs? They have violated the agreement they signed in the early 90s.
If you take away all the opinions, what are the options that will work? Can Ukraine defeat Russia? Some say yes. Some say impossible. If they can't defeat Russia, how does this end? How many will have to be killed because they oppose what is happening to them? How do you know the limits of what can be negotiated?
Jason Bronk an analyst with the British Think Tank RUSI (Royal United Services Institute), has some interesting thoughts about the Russian Air Force in Ukraine and why it seems so ineffective so far.
The VKS over Ukraine
Here are his thoughts on a No-Fly Zone
Analogous to your way of approaching this would have been negotiating with Germany in 1941 to see how much territory they should retain. You want to reward aggression.
EuclidIf you take away all the opinions, what are the options that will work? Can Ukraine defeat Russia? Some say yes. Some say impossible. If they can't defeat Russia, how does this end? How many will have to be killed because they oppose what is happening to them? How do you know the limits of what can be negotiated?
You do realize that Ukraine has already defeated Russia in ways unimaginable outside of an actual armed conflict.
1. Demonstrated that Putin's mouth was writing checks his Army could not keep with his open boasting how quickly he could take over countries before NATO could even deploy.
2. Shown that Russian Military equipment despite all the money spent is still largely crap and in the hands of people not fully trained on it.
3. Demonstrated you do not need fully modern equipment to hold Russia's modernized Army at bay.
These three points above are very damaging to credibility of future Russian military threats as well as other military forces respecting Russia as a military power.
The above alone is also going to cost Russia Billions in future arms sales over the next 20-25 years unless Russia has another war to prove it's performance in this one was an outlier. As it is always performance in the last war in which you base your judgement of military equipment on before you buy usually. So far, last few wars Russia has pointed a finger at the purchasing Army as not being competently trained to properly handle Russian Military Equipment. They made the accusations against the Iraqi's, Syrians, etc. Now the world is seeing it doesn't even matter if the Russian Army is running things, their equipment is still crap. The world also learned again that Mr. Putin regularly lies in his boasts about Russian missile and military equipment capabilities. See any precision bombing going on here? Any precision missile strikes? People attribute that to Russian Strategy, I suspect they don't have the capability refined all that much and the Emperor has no clothes in that department.
As to your question, the strategy of Ukraine is stalemate not defeat of Russia. It is stalemate until the casualties and wrecked equipment are so great on the Russian side that the Russian Armed forces falls apart. According to U.S. Army stats, that starts to happen to any Army once you lose 30-40% of men in any unit.....morale goes to crap and the unit becomes ineffective as a fighting force unless they are reconstituted in a new unit at full stregnth and the men are spread out sufficiently their shot morale does not impact the new unit. BTW, our Special Forces taught them that very exact strategy, it is out of their playbook for insurgency.
CMStPnPHas El Zippo to do with offending Russia, proximity to Russia, History of the country, etc. Those are all arguments our Media has constructed as straw men.
History is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere.
charlie hebdo Analogous to your way of approaching this would have been negotiating with Germany in 1941 to see how much territory they should retain. You want to reward aggression.
Euclid US undersecretary of state acknowledges there are biological warfare labs in Ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html
The exchange between herself and Marco Rubio was clarifying they were regular medical research labs that every country has to research infectious biological agents and have nothing to do with biological warfare
charlie hebdoHistory is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere.
Putin says he wants to discuss the surrender
Zelensky replied that was out of the question. Ukraine has no way to handle that many prisoners.
CMStPnP charlie hebdo History is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere. Which has nothing to do with the requirements for NATO membership it is only their progress towards the requirement as of time of admittance that matters
charlie hebdo History is relevant except for people who ignore it. Few member states of the former USSR except the three Baltic states have had any experience with representative government. Democracy does not emerge out of nowhere.
Which has nothing to do with the requirements for NATO membership it is only their progress towards the requirement as of time of admittance that matters
If you understood historical development, you would not make such a statement. The historic context is part of the admittance process.
CMStPnP Euclid US undersecretary of state acknowledges there are biological warfare labs in Ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html The exchange between herself and Marco Rubio was clarifying they were regular medical research labs that every country has to research infectious biological agents and have nothing to do with biological warfare
Correct. Every developed country had bacteriological research labs, it's all part of the study of medicine. As far as I know all (realistic) developed countries gave up on bacteriological warfare decades ago, the "Patriotic Germ" that will attack the "bad guys" but will leave your own people alone doesn't exist and never will.
Despite the differences in external packaging humans are all the same under the skin, what infects one race or ethnic group will infect all.
Even Hitler forbade bacteriological warfare research as too dangerous, and we know what kind of humanitarian he was. (Himmler and the SS had a bio-war lab operating on the sly, but that's another story.)
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