TRAIN WECK IN Granitville,SC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

I will not say that you are wrong on the switch. but over in that area i dont think it is dark terittory. meaning if the switch was left lined the engineer would have been running on a restricting signal. if it was dark territory i dont think the speed would have been that high. and ns dont have no 3 didget unit numbers.

as far as law suits go it wont be exspensive. and not everyone is going to get paid off. it just dont work that way.

I can't say for certain it is dark. If it is, there would be no signals to warn the engineer. As to legal expenses I don't think the NS will get off too cheap. Unlike situations where you have grade crossing incidents or employee injuries where the company can pin some blame on the plaintiff, the NS will have a very difficult time blaming people at their jobs or homes going about their daily lives who were killed or seriously and permanently injured by chlorine gas coming from a railroad tank car in the custody and control of the NS. Further, in such cases (ultrahazardous activities) there is often strict liability imposed, meaning that the plaintiff need not prove any negligence on the part of the NS. Thus, all they need do is show up with their medical bills and charts showing exposure to chlorine and NS will be pulling out the BIG checkbook. Perhaps not everyone will sue, but if you doubt that NS will take responsibility take a look at the news footage of the NS PR guy apologizing to the community on TV. I think they and their insurers will do the right thing. I don't think they have much choice.

LC

[wabash1]

I will not say that you are wrong on the switch. but over in that area i dont think it is dark terittory. meaning if the switch was left lined the engineer would have been running on a restricting signal. if it was dark territory i dont think the speed would have been that high. and ns dont have no 3 didget unit numbers.

as far as law suits go it wont be exspensive. and not everyone is going to get paid off. it just dont work that way.

[Anonymous]

I have heard what is being said in the media, but, pending the results of the investigation I'll wait to jump to that conclusion. There are a number of possible reasons that the switch could be misaligned. It should be noted that this was part of the NS that is dark so the engineer would not have advance warning by signal of the open switch. I'd like to know if the switch was found lined and locked for the siding. If not vandalism is a possible cause as well.

LC

[garr]

Today's 5 PM news reports in the Atlanta media are stating what blaze posted above-the switch was left lined for the siding. But we all know the media is not always accurate.

Jay

[Anonymous]

Nothing definitive yet Gabe.

LC

[Anonymous]

A friend of mine works that line so his information is very relieable. From what he told me whoever tied up the train in the siding did not line the switch back for mainline movements. The train went into the siding and collided with the one in the siding. This is very unfortunate, and scary, because in the blink of an eye your entire life can change. I did get a sigh of relief when I got a call from my pal telling me what happened.Very glad to hear he was OK. I thought about those people all day and about their families. I can't begin to comprehend what they are all going through.
LOCOMOTIVES, can be replaced but not a HUMAN LIFE.

[gabe]

Do we know what caused it yet?

[Anonymous]

As it turns out, I actually do know the Engineer who died. Nice guy and young too. Very sad.

R.I.P., brother, R.I.P.

LC

[oskar]

thank you Gabe

here are the Damaged units DO NOT TELL THESE UNIT # TO PEOPLE THIER IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT IS REALLY SAD ABOUT THE DEATH OF THE ENGINEER AND OTHERS

all SD60 663? NS 659? the lead unit will be retired because of the Death



kevin

[gabe]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

QUOTE: Originally posted by oskar


I should get a award for this coverage

I realize I am a little late here, but I think you need to be a little more circumspect about posting the kind of "news" you've been posting in this thread. Yes, a major train accident is certainly something that would be of interest/concern on this forum, but it doesn't help to be posting rumors or things that have been heard from a friend of a friend, etc. I don't know who or what your sources are but they certainly don't seem entirely accurate.

I'm just thinking that the "the conductor's ok...no, he's dead....no, he's ok...no, he's dead...actually, he's alive after all" in particular seems almost flippant and definitely irresponsible. Imagine reading that post if you were a friend or a family member of a conductor who worked in that area.

Oh, contraire, I think he would be perfectly suited to report either the existence of weapons of mass destruction or Florida election results.

Gabe

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by oskar


I should get a award for this coverage

I realize I am a little late here, but I think you need to be a little more circumspect about posting the kind of "news" you've been posting in this thread. Yes, a major train accident is certainly something that would be of interest/concern on this forum, but it doesn't help to be posting rumors or things that have been heard from a friend of a friend, etc. I don't know who or what your sources are but they certainly don't seem entirely accurate.

I'm just thinking that the "the conductor's ok...no, he's dead....no, he's ok...no, he's dead...actually, he's alive after all" in particular seems almost flippant and definitely irresponsible. Imagine reading that post if you were a friend or a family member of a conductor who worked in that area.

[wcfan4ever]

Chlorine is a horable thing to inhale. I work with it almost everyday and I have ended up taking a few whifs before and choked. I guess there is going to be more planning of trains carrying chlorine. Middle, rear of the train? Where do they go...or if they go by rail anymore...

[tregurtha]

This one is getting worse by he minute. Eight people were killed and 240 injured, mostly inhalation injuries from the chlorine gas, according to Fox News. Any idea on the cause? I see a couple of notes blaming a faulty switch. A witness reported hearing "screaching metal," which I assume was the emergency braking. What a tragedy.

Ross R.

[adrianspeeder]

Dang, thats horrible. Cl gas is fudged up stuff that unfortunatly we depend on.

Adrianspeeder

[gabe]

If the post regarding the fact that this is the third time an accident happened because of the switch in question, oh nelly, hang on to your wallet.

Gabe

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

Boy, I know I am stating the obvious, but this is just bad. The crew, the citizens.

Someone said a faulty switch was to blame? How is that? Also, suggested that this is the third time it has caused an accident. This isn't going to be a pretty lawsuit. This is just bad.

Gabe

I would imagine that this will be quite a flood of litigation. With at least eight fatalities (2 FELA?) and over 75 people being treated for chlorine gas exposure I would be very surprised if there weren't several sizable personal injury actions.

LC

[gabe]

Boy, I know I am stating the obvious, but this is just bad. The crew, the citizens.

Someone said a faulty switch was to blame? How is that? Also, suggested that this is the third time it has caused an accident. This isn't going to be a pretty lawsuit. This is just bad.

Gabe

[Anonymous]

Chlorine Gas, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I've had nightmares about having a tank of that stuff rupture. Talk about horrible. What a way to die, chocking to death on Chlorine.

[oskar]

Wabash I thought I saw the NS 3548 unit then the news showed the units from the sky and it was either 2 SD60's or 2SD50's and a GP38-2 highnose well now its ''Damaged nose''





kevin

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Here's the link to NEWSDAY Article:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-train-wreck,0,6580557.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

LC

This story is the same one from the AP, except the two organization took out different parts. The Firehouse story states the conductor was taken to the hospital for inhalation and his (or possibly her) condition is unknown.
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=38080

[ericsp]

I wonder if gas tankcars will now be required to be as close to the middle of the train as possible.

[wabash1]

ns engine 3548 is not a gp 38 or a sd 50 or 60 it is a 4 axel ge unit. we wreck 2 trains over here also no one killed just lots of stuff screwed up. i have not heard anything yet as far as damages or cause and what traffic is rerouted.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by oskar

...wecked...

Missing the R's? [:p][:D]

This is sad to hear... I saw it on the news with some air footage, and the locomotives looked fairly intact, but the cars went accordian style, and piled up. The ground appeared to be covered in hazmat containment cemicals, but i mean, this is clorine gas people... come on... it floats....

My sympathy goes out to the crew and their faimlys.[:(]

[oskar]

UPDATE: the total of death's is 8 NS is removing 26 of 42 cars from the wreck those cars were still on the track the hazmat team is coming back tommow at 8 A.M. leak is still leaking slower than earlier in the day




I will give you more news in the morning or tommow afternoon

Mark there was one train but I heared it only once so it's not coming your way




kevin

[oskar]

QUOTE: Originally posted by markgatech

Has CSX ceased operations on the Spartanburg Sub or rerouted traffic for today? I live on the other side of the river and not to far from the subdivision and have not heard the first train today. Normally the line is good for at least a couple of coal trains, a merchandise train, and maybe an intermodal.

I think so I only heared at least 2 trains one was in between 7:40 A.M. and 11:00 A.M. I think I am going some where else on Saturday. and those could have been trains that left before the weck because after that it has been Quiet.


Conductor is still alive sorry for the confusion




kevin

[oskar]

also I have just seen the units 2 SD50's or 2 SD60's and a GP38-2 highnose the GP38-2 needed repair work on it's nose the other 2 needed work on it's noses and on on walk ways also ditch lights I saw the first unit top two lights on.



the Conductor died earlier in the day I was wrong on the last message



kevin

[Anonymous]

Has CSX ceased operations on the Spartanburg Sub or rerouted traffic for today? I live on the other side of the river and not to far from the subdivision and have not heard the first train today. Normally the line is good for at least a couple of coal trains, a merchandise train, and maybe an intermodal.

[csxengineer98]

damn....04 was a bad year for wrecks and crew deaths...and now here we are the first week into 05 and it looks like we are off to a bad start.... another brother falls in the line of duty.....
this is starting to become a weekly deal... and its starting to scare me!!!!
csx engineer

[oskar]

conductor is ok not dead the NTSB has came and there going to look at the train




I am going to give you any news as it comes

I should get a award for this coverage



kevin

[oskar]

UPDATE: the conductor was killed it was confirmed by my friend the train that wecked was NS 191




kevin