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Electric, Diesel and Steam Locomotives
Posted by Sterling1 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:57 PM
One electric locomotive that I am curious about are the Milwaukee Road's "Little Joes." What was their tractive effort, horsepower, use and original use.

Are there any real reasons why GE locomotives seem to have turbo fires?

Does anyone know if there are design papers for the control stands knee knockers and all the others?

Does anyone of good websites of pictures of locmotive toilets? Some have appeared writing as being unkempt in adequacy.

Does anyone know the maximum horsepower ratings for SD70ACe, SD90MAC, GEVO44AC and AC60CW before parastical loads?

Oh too any of those who want ot put questions go right ahead, I am willing to share my whole head of knowledge!!!
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Posted by espeefoamer on Sunday, October 24, 2004 5:04 PM
The Little Joes were built for the USSR but the sale was blocked.Most went to the Milwaukee Road, Three to the CSS&SB, and five went to Brazil.They had 5000 Horsepower.
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Posted by Sterling1 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 5:05 PM
Was told by railman that viewings were higher out here, i guess so . . .
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 24, 2004 5:57 PM
Joe was 5110 hp and approx 110600 lb of tractive effort. They were originally meant for USSR but were later sold to MILW ,some other railroad i frogot :p and Brazil.

As for the rating on the engine - it is approx 10-15% higher then those for traction (eg SD70ACe is 4300 for traction so 4900 real). But much depends on humidity, temperature etc. Anyways - what really can be achieved of these engines is a mystery since they are computer controlled with some safety margin to assure high reliablity (if you really wanted then 8000 hp of those engines is quite possible - the big question is for how long ;) )
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Posted by Randy Stahl on Sunday, October 24, 2004 6:03 PM
And GE stack fires are attributed to poor programed maintenence. Toilets: check out the sites that sell chemical toilets, like Prime inc. I would not reccomend looking at photo's from the forum folks unless you have a strong stomach. I don't know what you are talking about with the control stands.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 24, 2004 6:08 PM
I used to work in a shop where the owner deliberately kept the toilet nasty as possible because he didn't want his employees taking long breaks.
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Posted by Randy Stahl on Sunday, October 24, 2004 6:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jruppert

I used to work in a shop where the owner deliberately kept the toilet nasty as possible because he didn't want his employees taking long breaks.
That trick don't work on me !!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 24, 2004 6:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

Does anyone know if there are design papers for the control stands knee knockers and all the others?


Control stands for older locomotives? If you're looking for photos, then check out these operator manuals: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/manual/manual.html
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Posted by Sterling1 on Monday, October 25, 2004 7:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Guilford350

QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

Does anyone know if there are design papers for the control stands knee knockers and all the others?


Control stands for older locomotives? If you're looking for photos, then check out these operator manuals: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/manual/manual.html


I mean what kind of design of loco control stand I hear about AAR versions and the most recent (1980-90ish) desktop controls?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 4:12 PM
Does anyone know of extremely powerful locomotives outside and/or inside North America? I know of the DD40AX and Big Boy but are there any elsewhere?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 5:22 PM
Does anyone know why Southern Pacific didn't like their passenger trains that much?
What are most common mechanics' complaints about the rolling stock and the locomotives?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 5:24 PM
What do the railroads use foe killing weeds and trees? Is there any railroad based equipment that's used?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 7:19 PM
What kinds of brakes were availiable to the railroads? How many versions of air brakes are there and what are the current ones now?
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Posted by bobwilcox on Friday, October 29, 2004 7:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

Does anyone know why Southern Pacific didn't like their passenger trains that much?


The SP had a fine passenger service from at least the Daylights in the 1930's untill about 1955. The invested millions in new train sets, etc. in the period after World War II but their customers discovered cars and planes. They decided they had poured their money down a rat hole and wanted out. They way they tried to get out was very ugly and probably shortsighted.
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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Friday, October 29, 2004 7:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

What kinds of brakes were availiable to the railroads? How many versions of air brakes are there and what are the current ones now?


For brakey type stuff check out:
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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Friday, October 29, 2004 8:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

What do the railroads use foe killing weeds and trees? Is there any railroad based equipment that's used?


Weedsprayers, usualy a hy-rail vehicle with booms on the back that spray a noxious chemical onto the tracks.


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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 8:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton

QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

What do the railroads use foe killing weeds and trees? Is there any railroad based equipment that's used?


Weedsprayers, usualy a hy-rail vehicle with booms on the back that spray a noxious chemical onto the tracks.


piccy nicked from; http://www.btny.purdue.edu/staff/dirks/about_me.html


All I have to say to that oufit is CCCOOOLLL!!!
Drool's dirppin' down out from my mouth!
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 8:37 PM
Does anyone know the weights of the prime mover, radiator equipment, dynamic brakes, cabs, traction motors, chassis of an SD40-2?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 8:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton

QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1

What kinds of brakes were availiable to the railroads? How many versions of air brakes are there and what are the current ones now?


For brakey type stuff check out:
http://www.railway-technical.com/brake1.html


This website is cool drool if brake equipment is what you are looking for . . .
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM
I wonder, what kinds of equipment manufactures exist in the United Kingdom, Europe, Asia, all over the world?
How much of the market does General Electric or General Motors have?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 9:45 PM
What's the deal with SD70ACe GM72 the demonstrater wrecked in Colorado, how long is it going to take to repair the loco?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 9:56 PM
What was the reason for Conrail's use of red marker on both ends of their modern locos? Some the newer units had them and after the CSX-Conrail-NS split a lot of the untis had their markers removed. What's the rule for having red markers on any road?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:27 AM
Are there any horsepower and detail changes between the SD90MAC-H-II, SD90MAC-H, SD9043MAC. What does the H stand for and how many of these locos have been built
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:29 AM
I know there's a dmeonstrator for the SD90MAC-H-II GM 90 but was there ever one for a SD90MAC-H?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:32 AM
Out of all the loco manufacturers how many of them built loco demonstrators and who were they? Did they do this for every model they offered? What happened to these locos aftera period of time of demonstrating being cut up or in lease fleet service, and how many of these demonstrator still exist?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:34 AM
What did the Union Pacific build their SW-10 from and why for what reason(s)? What was their horse power rating, dimensions, etc.?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:05 PM
In the Fairbanks-Morse loco , the engine is sadi to have two pistons in cyclinder. How exactly is that possible? Are there any diagrams or pictures to show this?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:08 PM
What exactly is a SD20 loco? I see pics of them on railpictures.net and the pretty exterior is nice but what classifies them as SD20?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:00 PM
I saw a 'recent' photo on railpictures.net of a NS GP59. Behind the blower casing on the walkway there's this box with what appears to be grating. What exactly is that? Also I have seen some AC44CW and C44-9W with low rectangular box behind the air conditioner/ battery box/ inverters box. What's in it?
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Posted by Sterling1 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:03 PM
What's a Long Island DE30AC?
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