So all of us pushed your buttons?
Gentlemen: You are giving me a headache! So let's ask a different question. Female, which I know there are a few, has a job as say - an op as opposed to a non-op. I have seen both thru here. She is a good worker and knows her duties. How much guff will she have to work with from her co-workers and also from the foamers- young and old! Dare I ask how Mrs. Railroader will react? Or in her case, Mr. Railroader?
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Mookie, the last gal I worked with was on the WC in North Fond Du Lac. She was training to be a conductor switchman when on one hot June night she was doing a rollby on a departing train, took a few steps backwards directly into the path of a pair of SW1200s. She got both legs, an arm and a hand amputated.
Norm48327 schlimm As several others have said, this is a public forum, not a club for whining railroaders of a certain type. If you want a private club, go there. And if you can't stand the heat, why are you hanging around the kitchen?
schlimm As several others have said, this is a public forum, not a club for whining railroaders of a certain type. If you want a private club, go there.
And if you can't stand the heat, why are you hanging around the kitchen?
Just because there are a few on here who like playing with matches doesn't mean that others aren't interested in actually cooking something or learning about cuisine.
My personal opinion, for what little it's worth, is that the personal insults and ad hominem attacks are the things that ought to be communicated EXCLUSIVELY through the private messaging system -- as they are inherently private communications between the participants. I have no particular interest in learning merely what people think about other people, let alone how nasty they can demonstrate themselves to be while doing so, in threads that supposedly are addressing real topics. As a moderator (in other groups/fora, not this one) I believe strongly in free speech, and even in thread drift (if it is evolutionary and not just hijacking) -- but I draw the line, as I believe does Kalmbach, at purely personal attack and lambasting in public.
That was a personal attack?
Norm
No -- not intended as such. (At least not by me.)
It was just too good a straight line to pass up!
OK.
Randy Stahl Mookie, the last gal I worked with was on the WC in North Fond Du Lac. She was training to be a conductor switchman when on one hot June night she was doing a rollby on a departing train, took a few steps backwards directly into the path of a pair of SW1200s. She got both legs, an arm and a hand amputated.
Well, so much for that question.
With her doing a rollby, the sound of it probably left her unware of the other engines approaching.
schlimm Randy Stahl If you act like a doormat on the railroad that's exactly how you will be treated. Any and all weakness is exploited. Never let them see your "buttons" cause they will push all of them. It was like this when I hired out and it hasn't changed. As several others have said, this is a public forum, not a club for whining railroaders of a certain type. If you want a private club, go there.
Randy Stahl If you act like a doormat on the railroad that's exactly how you will be treated. Any and all weakness is exploited. Never let them see your "buttons" cause they will push all of them. It was like this when I hired out and it hasn't changed.
If you act like a doormat on the railroad that's exactly how you will be treated. Any and all weakness is exploited. Never let them see your "buttons" cause they will push all of them. It was like this when I hired out and it hasn't changed.
You're free to go at any time Schlimm.
Euclid With her doing a rollby, the sound of it probably left her unware of the other engines approaching.
Precisely correct. I was working in the engine house about 1/4 mile from the incident so I was there within seconds of the incident. The engineer on the SW1200s was shattered. It was horrible. She was grateful for her job and was the sole provider for her family of 4 children. Her husband lost his job the year before.
Randy Stahl Euclid With her doing a rollby, the sound of it probably left her unware of the other engines approaching. Precisely correct. I was working in the engine house about 1/4 mile from the incident so I was there within seconds of the incident. The engineer on the SW1200s was shattered. It was horrible. She was grateful for her job and was the sole provider for her family of 4 children. Her husband lost his job the year before.
Wow....its a good thing you were close by there Randy.
Mookie Gentlemen: You are giving me a headache! So let's ask a different question. Female, which I know there are a few, has a job as say - an op as opposed to a non-op. I have seen both thru here. She is a good worker and knows her duties. How much guff will she have to work with from her co-workers and also from the foamers- young and old! Dare I ask how Mrs. Railroader will react? Or in her case, Mr. Railroader?
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Mookie: most of the women I've met out here working are 10x more gruff than the worst guys.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
edblysardIf so, wanting to have control of this forum should be an indication of someone or some group having very little life outside of their laptop.
Your post count was about ten times what mine was, the last time I could see them, so I'll defer to your expertise in that area.
edblysardOh, and by the way, pick zugman, he knows the answer
I would, but I don't see much profit in it, so ferget it!
I would like to say that I do think that they finally have got the moderation right here. I doubt that any group of prior moderators we've had in the past would have the steel to unlock a thread that had already been locked, to allow the discussion to continue. Having employees handle the duty would seem to encourage objectivity over the subjectivity that I have loathed in the past.
Convicted OneI would, but I don't see much profit in it, so ferget it!
Yeah, few can afford my awesomeness.
zugmann Mookie: most of the women I've met out here working are 10x more gruff than the worst guys.
Angela Pusztai-Pasternak 've received several complaints from forum users about this thread. Ang
've received several complaints from forum users about this thread.
Ang
Tell them, that if they quit clicking on this thread, it won't bother them, anymore.
I've never understood the complainer mentality in an environment such as this where they can simply ignore a thread they don't find useful. Why allow them to ruin it for the rest of us?
dehusman Mookie Gentlemen: You are giving me a headache! So let's ask a different question. Female, which I know there are a few, has a job as say - an op as opposed to a non-op. I have seen both thru here. She is a good worker and knows her duties. How much guff will she have to work with from her co-workers and also from the foamers- young and old! Dare I ask how Mrs. Railroader will react? Or in her case, Mr. Railroader? It varies with the railroad, location and how seriously management and the crafts view harassment. It also depends on her thresholds of what she finds objectionable. The places I've worked over the last couple decades have had a pretty low tolerance for harassment. I personally know of 5 people who have been demoted or discharged for harassment of various types (not to mention the cases just involving formal apologies). These have ranged all the way from switchmen to superintendents.
Well Mookie,
In one MOW crew I got to know there was one woman. No one harassed her, but that may have been because she wasn't a 'little woman' and probably could have kicked their rears if they did. She did everything the guys did and carried her weight in the crew.
Convicted One Angela Pusztai-Pasternak 've received several complaints from forum users about this thread. Ang Tell them, that if they quit clicking on this thread, it won't bother them, anymore. I've never understood the complainer mentality in an environment such as this where they can simply ignore a thread they don't find useful. Why allow them to ruin it for the rest of us?
The closest legitimate reason I can figure is that folks might complain about bad posts in good threads, but Angela says she's gotten complaints about the thread, and not about some posts within the thread. And many moderator's solution seems to be to lock threads. If only certain posts within the thread were the problem I don't see how locking handles the complaints.
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Complainers complain!
In each case it is a personal issue!
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BaltACD Haters hate! Complainers complain! In each case it is a personal issue!
Agreed. Nothing wrong with this thread.
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BaltACDComplainers complain!
I actually think that complaint inclination behavior ( such as we are talking about here) is rooted in control-obsessive personality types. They actually believe it is their prerogative to decide what others are permitted to discuss.
It's a way to curtail points of view not in harmony with their own preferred outlook. THAT is why simply "not clicking on the thread that offends me" is not good enough for them. Not only do THEY not want to read opposed points of view, but they don't want others thinking free thoughts, either.
Convicted One BaltACDComplainers complain! I actually think that complaint inclination behavior ( such as we are talking about here) is rooted in control-obsessive personality types. They actually believe it is their prerogative to decide what others are permitted to discuss. It's a way to curtail points of view not in harmony with their own preferred outlook. THAT is why simply "not clicking on the thread that offends me" is not good enough for them. Not only do THEY not want to read opposed points of view, but they don't want others thinking free thoughts, either.
BaltACD Big boys don't complain - they deal with it. That is why there is Private Messaging! Have a beef with someone - take it to PM's (not PMS)
Big boys don't complain - they deal with it.
That is why there is Private Messaging! Have a beef with someone - take it to PM's (not PMS)
Well yeah, Balt. But one way of dealing with it is to file a complaint. Apparently some people have done that. Once a complaint is filed it has to be addressed. I personally think Angie is leaning over backward here.
John
Agreed John. But out of almost 9,000 views I suspect most viewers are more interested in what we have been discussing than filing a complaint. Thus far, the discussion has been pretty civil and I'm sure that's why Ang has let it continue.
The problem we have here is that there is a cabal of about three (or so) individuals who have not been associated with this forum for as long as most of us have been, and it is their desire to direct both the direction and the tone of how the Trains forum should be operated.
John WR BaltACD Big boys don't complain - they deal with it. That is why there is Private Messaging! Have a beef with someone - take it to PM's (not PMS) Well yeah, Balt. But one way of dealing with it is to file a complaint. Apparently some people have done that. Once a complaint is filed it has to be addressed. I personally think Angie is leaning over backward here. John
I filed a complaint to the updating the forum thread - and yet they continue to screw up the forums operation and my complaint hasn't been addressed.
Murray, I don't know if you're talking about me. I'm a longtime member, only sporadically active because, as I noted in prior posts I've been active on another site, and have only recently returned to trains.com. Does this make me an individual who has not been associated with this forum for as long as most of you?
I'm tempted to reach for my Funk and Wagnall, What do you mean by cabal? I do have a desire about the direction and tone of how the trains forum should be operated, but I don't think I can direct it. I can only vote with my feet and stop participating if it's not operated the way I like, which in case I haven't been clear, is to treat everybody equally well, as opposed to what I worry is "if somebody complains I'll punish everybody" which is the impression I got from the moderator's posted warnings.
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