The coords for Hither Green needs a zero in front ot the ".160E" (making it "51 34.807E 0 0.160E") for Google Earth to like it (stupid cornphewters!). But even stupidier; when I zoom in on the spot, if I click on the image to move it slightly, it will jump the whole thing East and leaves me 1000 ft west of the site. Had a terrible time getting the push pin centered on the turntable!
The Camden site, was hard to verify the name. Lots of different names associated with that area; Chalk Farm, Primrose Hill are the two I found most often. I finally did find a place that had the name "Chalk Farm, Camden" in association with a photo of the roundhouse.
But I am not so lucky associating "Greet" with that site. The name I find most in that area is Tyseley.. Whoops! Never mind... If I get Google Earth to just the right zoom level there is a red dot to the west with the name Greet on it. So that is solved.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
So busy I hadn't noticed it. Thanks though for adjustment as it would have shown up. I've got a few more for you to consider. but these are in the UK, not US or AU.
Harlesdon, London -- Tt & Rh outline -- 51 31.607N 0 14.856W
Harringay, London -- Tt -- 51 34.807N 0 6.47W
Hither Green, London -- Tt -- 51 27.043N 0 .160E
Camden, London -- RH --51 32.592N 0 9.114W
Barrow Hill, Derbyshire -- Tt & Rh -- 53 16.474N 1 22.914W
Greet, Birmingham -- Tt & Rh outline -- 52 27.267N 1 50.656W
Now, before anyone gets in a flutter over these numbers, remember that the Greenwich Meridian goes through London as Greenwich is a suburb. The 1s & 0s are accurate as is the one "E" as it is on the "other" or "eastern" side of the meridian.
I'l be submitting the list from AU that I have to this point later this week, and will be sending a list of items for the US. Just a hint: guess what I found in one of the major east coast ports?
FIxed... I think I had an extra space after the State abreviation so Excel sorted it below the others.
Uploaded to the same link as previous post.
Thanks!
I noticed on the US list that ME, Bucksport for some reason is out of alphabetical order.
Files updated:
Excel file:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls
Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables PDF
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables. PDF
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
A comment in another thread about balloon tracks lead me to look at New Zealand again. I had not done a lot of looking there before, so I just picked a city and started following rail lines. Found 8 more turntables.
Zwingle Skagway, AK - Flash Earth translates Bing coordinates. Monte Cristo, WA is one that's impossible to discern via Google because of snow cover.
Skagway, AK - Flash Earth translates Bing coordinates. Monte Cristo, WA is one that's impossible to discern via Google because of snow cover.
Monte Cristo, WA... I used Flash Earth to determine the location and transfered those Lat/Lon to my Google Earth KMZ file. If you look closely and assume the pushpin is in the middle of the turntable then the pit is discernable, but if you are just looking, it is just a snow field with some odd shadows!
Zwingle Kersey, PA - 2' gauge turntable for the tourist Bucksgahuda and Western Railroad.
Kersey, PA - 2' gauge turntable for the tourist Bucksgahuda and Western Railroad.
Your link to Kersey is wrong (takes me to Monte Cristo, WA) ,but I used the other link and Flash Earth here also to get the Lat/Lon and put that into GE to get a pushpin located. The resolution in GE is too poor to see much of anything but splotches.
Zwingle Superior, WI - to add to the Superior already on the list. Superior, WI - another - best seen via Google historic imagery.
Superior, WI - to add to the Superior already on the list.
Superior, WI - another - best seen via Google historic imagery.
Both added.
Zwingle Baraboo, WI - Turntable visible via Google historic imagery.
Baraboo, WI - Turntable visible via Google historic imagery.
I just cannot find anything here, no matter how much my mind wants to see something.
Zwingle Lorton, VA - Turntable Shenandoah, VA - Footprint Crewe, VA - Footprint Alexandria, VA - Here a turntable can be seen in earlier images. Alexandria, VA - A Roundhouse/turntable visible in 1988 imagery.
Lorton, VA - Turntable
Shenandoah, VA - Footprint
Crewe, VA - Footprint
Alexandria, VA - Here a turntable can be seen in earlier images.
Alexandria, VA - A Roundhouse/turntable visible in 1988 imagery.
All added.
Zwingle Monroe, VA - Footprint
Monroe, VA - Footprint
I just cannot find anything here.
Zwingle Portsmouth, VA - Footprint seen via historic imagery.
Portsmouth, VA - Footprint seen via historic imagery.
Cannot find this one either.
Zwingle Harrisonburg, VA - Roundhouse is James Madison University Services Building.
Harrisonburg, VA - Roundhouse is James Madison University Services Building.
Hmmm.... the oldest images of this location do not show any building there. That building may be a 1/4 round building, but I don't see a link to a RR site.
Zwingle Bellows Falls, VT - Working roundhouse/turntable
Bellows Falls, VT - Working roundhouse/turntable
As mentioned in the previous post, this is across the river in N.H.
Zwingle Newell, PA - Abandoned roundhouse Brownsville, PA - Footprint - Also a turntable in earlier imagery. Oil City, PA - Footprint
Newell, PA - Abandoned roundhouse
Brownsville, PA - Footprint - Also a turntable in earlier imagery.
Oil City, PA - Footprint
Zwingle Washington, DC - Turntable
Washington, DC - Turntable
Already in the list.
Zwingle I agree that replicas should be included on the list. After all, they're quite real. But it is worth noting that they are replicas. Golden, CO, Folsom, CA, and Sugar Creek, OH are a few examples. In the case of the latter, the site is so new, it's marked on Google Earth, but the imagery hasn't yet caught up with the construction.
I agree that replicas should be included on the list. After all, they're quite real. But it is worth noting that they are replicas. Golden, CO, Folsom, CA, and Sugar Creek, OH are a few examples. In the case of the latter, the site is so new, it's marked on Google Earth, but the imagery hasn't yet caught up with the construction.
Sugar Creek is just a general area in the middle of the Northeast quadrant of Ohio, according to Google Earth. There is a 20 mile difference in the spelling between "Sugar Creek" and "Sugarcreek" (the real name of the city where the Age of Steam Roundhouse is located. The web site for The Age Of Steam Roundhouse (your reference to Sugar Creek) has some really nice photos of the new building. I found what is probably the site near Smokey Lane Road, but the latest images on GE are from 2008 and the roundhouse was started in 2010, so there is not even any evidence of turned earth anywyere. I guess we'll just have to wait for Google Earth to update.
Zwingle Santa Barbara isn't original nor a replica, but it does commemorate the roundhouse. The Flemington, NJ "Turntable Junction" might fall into a similar category. In this case the turntable pit was filled/bricked over in commemoration. A gazebo was added in the center, and at one time a caboose was on display. Even though there's nothing left of the original turntable, its location is preserved. Both Santa Barbara and Flemington might qualify for a "monument-type" of notation.
Santa Barbara isn't original nor a replica, but it does commemorate the roundhouse. The Flemington, NJ "Turntable Junction" might fall into a similar category. In this case the turntable pit was filled/bricked over in commemoration. A gazebo was added in the center, and at one time a caboose was on display. Even though there's nothing left of the original turntable, its location is preserved. Both Santa Barbara and Flemington might qualify for a "monument-type" of notation.
Is there anyother evidence of the location of the roundhouse? Something more than an aerial view of a gazebo? I'd be willing to center a pushpin on the gazebo if I could find some other photographic evidence of what was there before.
The Bellows Falls, VT location is actually across the Conn. River in North Walpole, NH, which is already on the list.
I agree that replicas should be included on the list. After all, they're quite real. But it is worth noting that they are replicas. Golden, CO, Folsom, CA, and Sugar Creek, OH are a few examples. In the case of the latter, the site is so new, it's marked on Google Earth, but the imagery hasn't yet caught up with the construction. Santa Barbara isn't original nor a replica, but it does commemorate the roundhouse. The Flemington, NJ "Turntable Junction" might fall into a similar category. In this case the turntable pit was filled/bricked over in commemoration. A gazebo was added in the center, and at one time a caboose was on display. Even though there's nothing left of the original turntable, its location is preserved. Both Santa Barbara and Flemington might qualify for a "monument-type" of notation.
DPRNRRColorado Thanks for Skagway, I think. From pictures I've seen I knew it was there but the res on GE is so bad there it's impossible to pinpoint it.
Thanks for Skagway, I think. From pictures I've seen I knew it was there but the res on GE is so bad there it's impossible to pinpoint it.
Okay, I have added Skagway, but the coordinates are pretty iffy, but maybe as accurate as any of the others, given the way some of them jump around when changing the date of the Historical View.
I also added your other Canadian/Canadien sites... Thanks. I will update the files on-line sometimes this weekend.
Terreserver sure is a REAL PAIN to use. Slow, and too paranoid someone might use there public domain images... at least the images sure look a lot like the ones on Google Earth and Bing maps... Except for the icons they stick all over the images to make them useless if copied, And their "183 degree" value is not even just simply an overrun in the positive direction, it is just simply WRONG. And to think they used to be the best (back when they were the only!). SAD!
I do have another Canadian site that's almost, but quite, as bad.
Napadogan, NB - only Rh discernable - 46 24.763N 66 55.901W -- It's out in the mid part of NB and far away from pretty much everything.
Sydney, NS -- Tt only -- 46 8.942N 60 11.788W
Truro, NS -- Rh outline only -- 45 21.926N 63 16.087W
Etobicoke, ON -- Tt only -- (Misisssauga, ON area) -- 43 36.38N 79 30.823W
Belleville, ON -- Tt & Rh -- 44 10.986N 77 22.058W
Smiths Falls, ON -- Rh & Tt -- 44 54.422N 76 0.947W (Note - there is no ' in Smiths)
Sudbury, ON -- Tt & Rh -- 46 29.293N 81 0.119W
Vickers Heights, ON -- 48 21.512N 89 21.013W -- (Thunder Bay area)
For now that's it for Canada. Next week, after I finish up some schooling I'm in the middle of, I'll start out on Australia. So far I have 18 to start with. There are not as many sites as you might think as many of the old steam era sites and lines have been completely pulled in favor of electric and diesel.
Semper Vaporo Skagway, AK - WP&Y footprint (Not visible via Google.) I cannot determine the Lat/Lon of the center of where the turntable would have been. If anyone knows how to get BING to tell me the coordinates of a point on the map, I could add a few more sites that are visible on BING, but not on Google Earth. ...
Skagway, AK - WP&Y footprint (Not visible via Google.)
I cannot determine the Lat/Lon of the center of where the turntable would have been. If anyone knows how to get BING to tell me the coordinates of a point on the map, I could add a few more sites that are visible on BING, but not on Google Earth. ...
For Skagway I use Terraserver.com to get the lat/long center point of the radial pattern. I plugged it into Google Earth to see if it was close, however GE could not resolve the lat/long copied from Terraserver. It was then I noticed that Terraserver determined the longitude to be 183°W (Hint: what is the maximum number of degrees in a hemisphere?), So I guess Terraserver isn't too reliable.
THERE! all fixed... at least for a while... seems the lists are getting too long. I may have to split the U.S. list into smaller groups somehow.
What follows is a reply to DPRNRR's post:
Limon, CO -- Rh & Tt outline -- 39 15.622N 103 41.022W -- This is a unique spot as this was a Rock Island site. One of only two in Colorado. The other is in Colorado Springs. It's also the point where the UP & RI joined (or separated depending on direction) their services in and out of Denver & C.S.
I moved the Lat/Lon to be closer to the center of where the TT would have been... 39°15'36.47"N 103°41'1.84"W
Norway, ME -- Car Barn -- 44 12.8N 70 31.524W -- This is the old car barn for the Norway & Paris (ME) Street Railway. It has been drastically rebuilt so as to not being recognizable. I was told about it from another source. So, I don't know if you want to add it to the list, but it is another form of a "roundhouse" or "engine house".
Don't rightly know what to think of that building... being next to a Cemetary it might be a Mortuary. From Street View I see it is a 2 and half story building with no indication it was ever any sort of engine house or barn. Being as it ain't "round" nor is there any indication there was ever a Turntable or Transfer table, I am going to omit it.
As to the question about Milo/Derby, ME. This is another situation like the Hartford/White River Junction, VT thing. I liked the way Semper Vaporo handled it. That way gives more specific location in any setting.
Okay, I changed the two references to Derby to Milo/Derby, ME. But just like the others I have listed with two names on one line, someone looking for the 2nd name may not find it in the list.
The "Bangor" site is one that was covered and I forgot it. It probably is best to use the Northern Maine Junction name as that is what the RR decided on based on its function. However, it is within the city of Bangor according to the map.
Same problem here... I can add "Bangor" on name, but should it be "Bangor/Northern Maine Junction" or "Northern Maine Junction/Bangor" ??
Edmunston, NB -- Tt only -- 47 21.658N 68 20.203W -- right along the US/Can. border, the river.
Added at: 47°21'39.45"N 68°20'12.04"W
Dauphin, MB -- Rh & Tt -- 51 9.232N 100 3.719W
Added at: 51° 9'13.55"N 100° 3'42.45"W
Minnedosa, MB -- Rh outline -- 50 15.032N 99 50.588W
Added at: 50°15'2.81"N 99°50'36.49"W
Winnipeg, AB -- Rh outline, barely visible -- 49 54.786N 97 9.464W
Brandon, AB -- Rh outline -- 49 51.079N 99 55.48W
Added at: 49°51'4.27"N 99°55'50.63"W
Prince George, BC -- Tt -- 53 55.257N 122 43.874W
Added at: 53°55'15.42"N 122°43'52.44"W
North Battleford, SK -- Rh outline -- 52 46.156N 108 17.821W
Added at: 52°46'10.33"N 108°17'49.31"W
Swift Current, SK -- Rh outline -- 50 16.859N 107 47.674W
Added at: 50°16'51.08"N 107°47'38.67"W
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I will get the Excel file and the PDF's updated and uploaded soon.
DAING! Google Earth just Gargle Barfed on me and I lost all that I had just added. I'll get to the additions by DPRNRR when I get that straightened out.
I cannot determine the Lat/Lon of the center of where the turntable would have been. If anyone knows how to get BING to tell me the coordinates of a point on the map, I could add a few more sites that are visible on BING, but not on Google Earth.
Bristol, VA - N&W Re-purposed
Added at: 36°36'38.41"N 82°10'15.27"W
Fulton, VA - Footprint
This is presently listed as Montrose, VA. at 37°30'38.85" N 77°24'48.51" W
Estherville, IA - pit outline - Turntable removed after 2006. Can be seen via Google historic imagery.
Added at: 43°24'15.07"N 94°50'28.53"W
Reader, AR - Turntable for the tourist Reader Railroad. Abandoned in 1983.
This one has been point out a couple of times before but I could never see the TT, I thought it was North of the mainline. Added at: 33°44'53.35"N 93° 8'51.86"W
Jacksonville, FL - Re-purposed single stall at CSX dispatch center
Added at: 30°19'29.60"N 81°39'53.25"W
Jacksonville, FL - Transfer table footprint
Not sure which patch of ground is the center of the Transfer Table.
Laws, CA - Working "gallows" turntable
Added at: 37°23'51.79"N 118°20'44.37"W
Colusa, CA - Colusa & Lake narrow gauge footprint - Roundhouse best seen via Google historic imagery 1998 - Razed in 2009.
Added at: 39°12'56.27"N 122° 0'43.77"W
Eureka, CA - pit
I believe you have the BING map centered on an oil tank outline... I did find a turntable just to the south, closer to the middle of the balloon track and with a faint outline of a Roundhouse at: 40°48'1.12"N 124°10'36.09"W
Nevada, MO - MK&T footprint - best seen via Google historic imagery (any date.)
Very hard to verify! I added it at: 37°50'36.94"N 94°20'42.55"W
Texline, TX - Re-purposed - image is centered on the filled pit.
Oldest Google Earth Historical imagery shows the roundhouse, but I can't really see the TT pit. Added at: 36°22'50.40"N 103° 1'50.81"W
Bremerton, WA - Turntable - Puget Sound Naval Ship Yard
Added at: 47°33'19.62"N 122°39'19.67"W
Shelton, WA - Roundhouse/Turntable in use
Added at: 47°12'35.62"N 123° 5'55.18"W
Beecher Falls, VT had a turntable/single stall roundhouse (originally 3-stalls) visible via 1999 Google historic imagery at 45°0'37.46"N 71°30'25.85"W - Turntable sold to tourist Passumpsic Railroad, north of Barnet, VT.
Added at: 45° 0'37.37"N 71°30'25.92"W
Changes/Notes:
Hawarden, IA - Turntable is still there
Trees in the pit were obscuring my view!
Golden, CO - TT and RH are both museum-built replicas
May be modern replicas, but they are there and working!
Folsom, CA - Replica display turntable
Operating but not usable! No tracks lead to it.
Casper, WY (spelling)
I musta been scared by a ghost.
WOW! The list just keeps getting longer and more complete. Thanks! Here are a few more in the US & Canada before I get to passing on the Australia list.
Now, Lets take a ride to Canada ----
In a week or so I'll have some more from Canada and then I'll start passing on the beginnings of the Australia list.
TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
Some more:
Four more:
Truckee, CA - turntable pit remnants
Milwaukee, WI - Re-purposed - Now part of the parks department.
Monte Cristo, WA - Abandoned turntable in ghost town (There are a lot of abandoned turntables/pits in logging/mining ghost towns, e.g. somewhere in Fairfax, WA - Finding them can be a challenge, like McCarthy, AK, squared.)
Mystic, SD - CB&Q overgrown turntable remains along Mickelson Trail Head 7 - Video.
Santa Barbara, CA on your list was built later to honor the roundhouse formerly at that location, torn down in 1967.
Hancock, MI - Q&TL ruin is currently undergoing a rehabilitation.
Sanoma, CA - the roundhouse is there with the turntable.
The Calmar, IA roundhouse is not (yet) a ruin, and stands solid with no roof leaks. It was empty when I was there last spring, but it appeared to be used occasionally as an equipment shelter by its owner, Croell Redi-Mix.
DPRNRRColorado Hi all. While sitting at home nursing a very sore back I put together a few additions to the list for all of you. Hopefully they are all new. Toledo, OH -- Tt & Rh - Also a possible older Tt pit next to the one clearly visible -- 41 40.212N 83 28.73W Toledo, OH -- Tt & Rh - Tt fully operational, Rh outline - 41 42.492N 83 30.233W Houlton, ME -- Tt & Rh - both out of operation - 46 7.504N 67 50.963W Bangor, ME -- Rh, Tt gone - 44 47.427N 68 51.921W Milo, ME -- Tt & Rh, along with transfer table - 45 13.882N 68 58.102W That's it on the US ones for now. I'm working on an extended list of sites in Australia but first I want to check to be sure they are still there. As we know they have a way of being moved or demolished. TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
Hi all. While sitting at home nursing a very sore back I put together a few additions to the list for all of you. Hopefully they are all new.
Toledo, OH -- Tt & Rh - Also a possible older Tt pit next to the one clearly visible -- 41 40.212N 83 28.73W
Toledo, OH -- Tt & Rh - Tt fully operational, Rh outline - 41 42.492N 83 30.233W
Houlton, ME -- Tt & Rh - both out of operation - 46 7.504N 67 50.963W
Bangor, ME -- Rh, Tt gone - 44 47.427N 68 51.921W
Milo, ME -- Tt & Rh, along with transfer table - 45 13.882N 68 58.102W
That's it on the US ones for now. I'm working on an extended list of sites in Australia but first I want to check to be sure they are still there. As we know they have a way of being moved or demolished.
The two Toldeo, OH sites are new to my list. (How did I miss them anyway!?!?!?!)
The one listed as Bangor, ME I have as Northern Maine Jct, and the Turntable and roundhouse appear to still be there and in operation, per the present Google Earth images. I seem to remember (not sure) that someone convinced me that it should be named Northern Maine Jct instead of Bangor, but I don't remember why. I guess i could look back through this thread and see if I can find the reasons, but I am too lazy right now. Maybe later.
Same is true for the RH you have listed as Milo, ME as I seem to also remember being told the actual name is Derby, ME. I did add the Transfer Table to the list, but under the Derby, ME name.
If you have argument to the contrary, lay it on me... I'll go see if I can find the correspondence that convinced me of the names presently in the files and make some sort of determination.
As for the sites being "still there", it is nice to know the present dispostion of the site, but I am including any site what is recognizable on Google Earth, even in the Historical Imagery, or any site that has some proof on the web from photos or other mapping services... As long as I can somehow determine the center of the Turntable, I will add it.
Thanks for the additions, and I hope you can add lots more from Australia. I appreciate it vey much.
@ DPRNRRColorado: Much appreciate the corrections to my fumble fingers and brain! Also appreciate the additional Hawaiian and Australian locations.
I just updated all 3 files for download:
Here we are again with more "stuff" to fill your file. I've been busy looking around to see what I can dig up that may be new, and despite having received the latest updated list I never can sure just what you've gotten since the last time. SO here goes >>>>>...
This one may be another "Altoona". It all depends on whether you looked here or not.
Kahului, Maui, Hawaii -- At the harbor the former Rh & shops of the Kahului RR are still in use (but not for a RR) and in fairly good condition. The Tt is long gone. They are at: 20 53.732N 156 27.812W [ As an addition, there is a former Kuhului engine running on the mainland at the Midwest Central RR in Mt. Pleasant, IA that has for some time been referred to as "The Pineapple Princess". She used to run on the Georgetown Loop in Colorado but they found she didn't have enough power for the grade]
Some adjustments for Canada --
Moncton & St. John are in New Brunswick (NB) not Nova Scotia (NS)
White River Junction, VT -- The situation here is a common problem with many towns in the northeast. In many towns there are villages or places that become known by another name other than the town they are part of, such as White River Junction. It is in the town of Hartford, VT but it got the name for the fact that the White River and Connecticut River have their juncture here. The RRs then took this as the name for the station, and it stuck. So, either can be used, but the actual "legal" or incorporated name is Hartford, VT. ["nuff said]
Now for the fun stuff and a trip to the other side of the world, Australia. Ten years ago at this time I would have just gotten back from an extended trip there, but some terrorists blocked my plans. So, where did I end up, back in Hawaii. [ I Iived there for 3 years ]
The research I did then is now the fruit of the beginning of my list for Australia's Rh & Tt population.
1. Corney Town [Rh & Tt outline] -- 33 28.341S 150 10.769E This is in the area of a great multi-faceted tourist line, The ZigZag Railway out of nearby Lithgow, NSW, Australia.
2. Kuranda [small Tt] -- 16 49.047S 145 38.241E Here out of Cairns, QLD (Queensland), Australia is the Kuranda Scenic Railway. It has different trains and an extended gondola ride (The Skyride) that run through the rainforest to Kuranda. If this town sounds familiar, it's also where one goes to see the Great Barrier Reef.
3. Emerald - [small preserved Tt] -- 37 55.956S 145 26.332E This is one of the small towns along the Puffing Billy Railway that runs out of Belgrave, Victoria, AU A caution -- the Tt is almost impossible to see even on GE but some is visible and even more by viewing the picture associated with the marker.
4. Ballarat -- [ Tt & Rh outline] -- 37 33.57S 143 52.299E Ballarat, Victoria, AU -- Is in the middle of the town that was part of Australia's "BoomTown" cycle when vast gold deposits (and later other minerals) were found here. This is NW of Melbourne.
5. Alice Springs -- [must view the historical view on GE to see the Tt] Alice Springs, Northern Territories, AU -- I've included this because of its historic RR significance. Until recent years all RR service stopped at Alice Springs where "The Ghan" route ended. [seriously, look it up] It was then that the long planned for extension (about 100 years) was finally finished on to the north coast and Darwin. Once the line was continued the thought must have been, "what do we need this for?" so, it was removed.
Well, that's it for now, but In the not to distant future more on Canada & Australia will be forwarded as I get the chance to work it up.
Semper, glad I could help.
James
Sorry for the confusion, I looked up Bethlehem on your spreadsheet and though this was the one related to the old Beth Steel RailRoad. My error. You mostly are right on the number of stalls, hard to count while going by at 65 MPH on Interstate 78. Thanks for the correction!
seppburgh2 Update on the Bethlehem PA location: 40° 37' 10" N 75° 24' 39" W As of December 26, 2011: Turntable is out of the pit. The small 4 or 5 stall roundhouse is intact; put used for sheltering heavy construction equipment. The concrete coal tower still standing next to the roundhouse, however, there is a steel concrete mixing tower next to it is not original to the former railroad facility. Visible from Interstate 78 West at about milepost 66.2.
Methinks you have two listing confused.
I have one "footprint" of a roundhouse listed for Bethelehem, PA at: 40°37'9.34"N 75°24'38.36"W
and a remnant of a building listed as Hellertown/Bethelehem, PA at: 40°35'54.10"N 75°20'32.64"W
The former lost the Turntable and Roundhouse sometime between 1996 and 1999.
The latter lost the Turntable in the same timeframe, but the Roundhouse is still there. It appears to me to be only 3 stalls. It is possibly part of what appears to be an aggregate mixing plant. There is a twin silo building to the NE of the Roundhouse that was probably a coaling tower.
Your date inplies that maybe you might be referring to yet another Bethlehem, PA environ site, since the Turntable is not visible in the 4/12/1999 images on Google Earth for either of the sites I have in the list. Your coordinates are closest to the site where the Roundhouse was gone back in 1999.
Update on the Bethlehem PA location: 40° 37' 10" N 75° 24' 39" W
As of December 26, 2011: Turntable is out of the pit. The small 4 or 5 stall roundhouse is intact; put used for sheltering heavy construction equipment. The concrete coal tower still standing next to the roundhouse, however, there is a steel concrete mixing tower next to it is not original to the former railroad facility. Visible from Interstate 78 West at about milepost 66.2.
The Butler After a quick digging, the railroad in Antigo, Wi. ran between Morse and Door Streets about two and a half blocks west of Wis. 47. The round house was located between Edison and Lincoln Streets north of 1st Street. Today, there is no sign of the roundhouse as a ball field and apartment complex occupy the site. Info found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~antigowis/places/railroad/railroad.html and Acme Mapper2.0
After a quick digging, the railroad in Antigo, Wi. ran between Morse and Door Streets about two and a half blocks west of Wis. 47. The round house was located between Edison and Lincoln Streets north of 1st Street. Today, there is no sign of the roundhouse as a ball field and apartment complex occupy the site.
Info found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~antigowis/places/railroad/railroad.html and Acme Mapper2.0
The house in the foreground of the photo at the bottom of the page in the link you provided is STILL THERE! Quite recognizable! On the NorthEast corner of 2nd Ave. and Edison St. From that and some vague sighting across the Google Earth aerial view, tipped to about the same angle and bearing, I think I can place the center of the Roundhouse in Antigo, WI. So, this is my best estimate:
blx Have to try this again. The Roundhouse Manor apartment building at 300 Bicentennial Court in Kaukauna, WI 54130 is built on top of what was once the roundhouse & turntable of the Milwaukee Lakeshore & We stern Railroad that was later acquired by the Chicago & Northwestern Railroad. The roundhouse was demolished circa 1970. An old news article from the 1800's refers to a gentleman visiting relatives in Kaukauna and states that he is the foreman of the roundhouse in Clintonville, WI. Picture postcards also show roundhouses for the C&NW in Adams, WI Antigo, WI and Wyeville, WI. In Iowa picture postcards show roundhouses in Belle Plaine, IA Hawarden, IA MissouriValley, IA and Tama, Ia.
Have to try this again. The Roundhouse Manor apartment building at 300 Bicentennial Court in Kaukauna, WI 54130 is built on top of what was once the roundhouse & turntable of the Milwaukee Lakeshore & We stern Railroad that was later acquired by the Chicago & Northwestern Railroad. The roundhouse was demolished circa 1970. An old news article from the 1800's refers to a gentleman visiting relatives in Kaukauna and states that he is the foreman of the roundhouse in Clintonville, WI. Picture postcards also show roundhouses for the C&NW in Adams, WI Antigo, WI and Wyeville, WI. In Iowa picture postcards show roundhouses in Belle Plaine, IA Hawarden, IA MissouriValley, IA and Tama, Ia.
Wish I could find more of those but I can find no evidence for the location of the Roundhouse that would have been in those cities. The only ones I could add at present are:
Adams WI was a real bear to see the evidence, but it is there if you look at some of the historical images from Google Earth. There is a confusion factor in the after the RH and TT were long gone, someone built a circular berm around some structure that is just to the south of where the Turntable was and well within the footprint of the Roundhouse. The berm shows in the 1998 images but is gone by 2005 (the next year that an image is available. The 2005 image shows the RH footprint the best.
The rest of the cities you list just don't show any evidence of where the Roundhouse may have been.
I can't find much evidence that there was ever a RR in Antigo, WI. It may have followed Langlade Rd in from the NE to near Antigo Lake, but I cannot find any evidence of a yard or any RR structures in the area. Or maybe it turned west on the extreme north side, north of Prosser Pl, then curved south to parallel Edison St. and Dorr St. on the west side of town and off to the South. But, still, no evidence anywhere along that line is there any evidence of where the Roundhouse may have been.
I am not saying that there was never a Roundhouse in those cities, just that I cannot pinpoint the center of the Turntable from visual evidence on Google Earth.
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