DPRNRRColorado It's good to hear from you. I thought you might have gotten lost in the piles of old ties somewhere around the worlds tracks. As to your computer problems. I was beginning to have the same type of problem but decided to check to see if there was something amiss inside Windows itself first. So I went to the MS Update site and had it run a full check. There were some missing "pieces", so I went ahead and updated them. Things have worked better since. Also, we need to remember that by the "nature of the beast", Google Earth is a bit of a memory hog so it was probably a smart thing to increase your RAM. I don't know what utilities you use to keep things cleaned and oiled but two I've found that work good for me and have regularly been rated highly are: CCleaner (as a general cleaner and registry cleaner) and Glary Utilities ( as an expanded cleaner). Both are available FREE for personal use and can be downloaded from filehippo.com or cnet.com sites. Also for general help and tech support I'd recommend joining up on "Windows Secrets" as a regular subscriber (their annual donation plan is more than worth it). They have given me enough help that I figure I've saved hundreds of $$$$$$ by not having to call on tech support all the time. One last thing on the RGS original RH/Tt site. I got a nice surprise when it was pilled up on Bing and not only was it a nice clear pic, but in both aerial and bird's eye view it was very obvious as to what was there. So good you could even count the number of stalls. WOW! This has gotten me thinking about an "armstrong" turntable in a box canyon I know of that if it can be made out we'll add it to the list. TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
It's good to hear from you. I thought you might have gotten lost in the piles of old ties somewhere around the worlds tracks.
As to your computer problems. I was beginning to have the same type of problem but decided to check to see if there was something amiss inside Windows itself first. So I went to the MS Update site and had it run a full check. There were some missing "pieces", so I went ahead and updated them. Things have worked better since. Also, we need to remember that by the "nature of the beast", Google Earth is a bit of a memory hog so it was probably a smart thing to increase your RAM.
I don't know what utilities you use to keep things cleaned and oiled but two I've found that work good for me and have regularly been rated highly are: CCleaner (as a general cleaner and registry cleaner) and Glary Utilities ( as an expanded cleaner). Both are available FREE for personal use and can be downloaded from filehippo.com or cnet.com sites. Also for general help and tech support I'd recommend joining up on "Windows Secrets" as a regular subscriber (their annual donation plan is more than worth it). They have given me enough help that I figure I've saved hundreds of $$$$$$ by not having to call on tech support all the time.
One last thing on the RGS original RH/Tt site. I got a nice surprise when it was pilled up on Bing and not only was it a nice clear pic, but in both aerial and bird's eye view it was very obvious as to what was there. So good you could even count the number of stalls. WOW! This has gotten me thinking about an "armstrong" turntable in a box canyon I know of that if it can be made out we'll add it to the list.
TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
Yeah, I get lost in piles of stuff often. Too much fun!
I am not sure just how much RAM I can stick in my PC, both cost wise and physically. That is awaiting my next annuity check to see what/IF I can buy something. I have been trying "Ready Boost" with USB memory sticks but I have not seen any improvement in the present problem.
I am running a relatively new PC (HP Pavilion dv7, triple core) and I keep Windows totally up-to-date, which is against the advice in the Windows Secrets newsletter (yes, I subscribe also. I have been a fan of WS since the first book was published).
I also run CCleaner (at least once per day and some times 2 or more times per day). I used to run RegCure, but find CCleaner does a good enough job and RegCure costs, so I decided to put my money into 1:32 scale Live Steam Locomotives instead. I used Glary Utilities for a while, but have not transfered them (or downloaded the latest) to this new Laptop (yet).
I presently have some other things on my plate right now and cannot spend much time working on the database, but I suspect I'll get back to it soon... hopefully before you guys double the size of it!
Semper Vaporo
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Mike and all interested: The actual site of the original RGS shops can be seen quite clearly on the current GE picture of Ridgway. Here are the coordinates: 38 9.597N 107 45.674W The second Rh coordinates are: 38 8.999N 107 450312W
It's even easier to see the connection if you look at the old grade that goes through that meadow, follow it back to where it enters the new development area, then follow the angled branch of the grade to the left to these coordinates. Then when you focus on that spot you can see the indentations from parts of the shops. I went there a few years ago and hoped to get pictures but the land owners weren't allowing anyone on the property.
If you can get a copy of "The RGS Story" by Russ Collman, Vol. I - (Sundance Publishing) there is a perfect picture for positioning the roundhouse. There is an aerial picture (P. 59) showing the roundhouse and yard in its second location. Right about where you thought it would be Mike. On P. 56 there's a diagram showing that the original shop was a five stall arrangement with a turntable. And, from the angle of the lines it confirms the location given above. Then on P. 60 there's a detailed diagram showing all of the Ridgway facilities in relationship to the others.
So, that should answer all those questions except to do one more thing, add those Rh locations to the list which I should have done in the first place.
I'm still out here... just frustrated with G.E. giving the "Google Earth has made an error and must terminate" messages when adding more sites. I can add anywhere from 3 to 5 new sites and it dies and I lose them. Restart and add them in again, and all is okay, so I terminate to get them really "Saved" and then restart it and add some more. All this Start G.E., add one or two sites, terminate G.E., start G.E., add one or two sites, terminate G.E.... gets OLD real fast!
And now I am WAY behind you guys!
And having to cross check your other references to get the Lat/Lon into G.E. is another layer of complexity over just leisurely wandering around on G.E. following RR tracks looking for the telltales of Turntables and Roundhouses! (This USED TO BE just a idle pasttime!)
Maybe having G.E. open with my Excel spreadsheet and browser and the other references is causing me the problems so I have decided to see if additional memory in my PC will reduce the forced restarts so I can save some time and reduce the risk of losing recently added sites.
I knew that the original RGS roundhouse burned down, but i didn't know it's location. Finding out it was in the north part of town answers the question of why there is a Roundhouse St in that part of town. Thanks.
MidlandMike is right the original location pointed to was not the site at all. The site in the SW corner of town is accurate, but, the "footprint" is probably false as the area where it used to be has been filled in by trash and waste dirt for years. But, on the other hand funnier things have happened where a buried site shows through. The more interesting thing is that this isn't the original shop and Rh site. That was to the NW of the town wet of where the water treatment facility is now. The only time it shows well is in the winter and spring. As far as I know the only existing photograph of it is in the archives of the Denver Public Library (or copies made from it).
Before I get on with some sites in the US and AU I'd like to make a correction on Zwingle's list. Even though the Tiny Town listing shows a Morrison, CO address, it's actually in the community of Turkey Creek which is where Semper Vaporo has it listed. Also, the coordinates for Corkscrew Gulch are off. I'm working on getting a more accurate read on it now. Interesting though is that this was not only a turntable site, it was a covered turntable. The Colorado RR museum has some great pics of it. It's pretty much gone now though.
For sites in the US, six new ones (I think):
Frankfort, MI - Rh Outline - 44 37.638N 86 14.117W
Pittsburg, MO - Tt & Rh outline - 37 25.414N 94 41.478W
Galveston, TX - Tt & Rh remains - 29 18.125N 94 48.662W
Galveston, TX - Rh Remains - 29 17.982N 94 49.037W
Waycross, GA - Tt - 31 10.865N 82 23.561W
Waycross, GA - Trans Table - 31 11.912N 82 22.048W
Forgot, I have four new ones for Canada too:
Grand Forks, NB - Rh - 49 02.123N 118 28.046W
Farnham, QB - Tt & Rh outline - 45 16.773N 72 58.416W
Megantic, NB - Rh outline - 45 34.559N 70 52.824W
McAdam, NB - Tt - 45 35.500N 67 19.477W
Now for some new AU sites:
Broadmeadow, NSW, AU - Dbl. Tt/Rh - 32 55.621S 151 43.591E [ a NSW I missed ]
Coopers Plains, QLD - Tt - 27 34.248S 153 1.825E
Ipswich, QLD - 27 36.763S 152 45.517E (This was a surprise as it's right up against the mall)
Rockhampton, QLD - Tt & Rh - 23 23.200S 150 31.030E
Harlaxton, QLD - Tt - 27 32.235S 151 56.833E
Warwick, QLD - Rh & Tt - 28 12.962S 152 2.508E
Gympie, QLD - 26 11.109S 152 40.320E
Caboolture, QLD - Tt - 27 5.024S 152 57.265E
Imbl, Qld - Tt - 26 27.662S 152 40.554E [ est. as it's hard to see clearly ]
Kalgoorlie,WA - Tt - 30 45.000S 121 27.706E
Kalamunda, WA - Tt - 31 57.386S 115 59.369E
Port Pirie South, SA - Tt - 33 11.359S 138 0.972E
Peterborough, SA - Rh & Tt - 32 58.504S 138 49.566E
Tailem Bend, SA - Rh & Tt - 35 14.751S 139 27.014E
Adelaide, SA - Tt - 34 55.786S 138 34.820E
Dry Creek/Caran, SA - Tt - 34 49.435S 138 35.477E [ hard to nail down just what town ]
Port Augusta, SA - Tt & Rh outline - 32 29.210S 137 45.964E
Port Augusta, SA - Tt - 32 29.892S 137 46.180E
That's it for now but I'm working on finishing up the Victoria, AU list and should have it in a few days if I can. By the way, where's Semper Vaporo been lately. HAs it just been a vacation from the rest of us?
Yep! You see what I see. That photo you provided made all the difference.
Here are a few more sites.
Using ancient survey maps of Scott County, in Iowa, and Rock Island County across the river, I've been able to discover and confirm more sites.Davenport, IA - 41°31'29.07"N 90°34'0.29"W - Precise location of CRI&P roundhouse built around 1860. Fell by the wayside in 1872, when the railroad shifted its main line over to the new government bridge, downstream. Demolished after WWI, the site was never re-developed; only used to store gravel. The foundation exists today, along with the adjacent original raised grade approach to the first bridge across the Mississippi. Eldridge, IA - 41°39'37.90"N 90°35'4.11"W - turntable visible in 1937 and 1956 (albeit barely.) Rock Island, IL - 41°30'28.89"N 90°35'35.36"W - Roundhouse/turntable visible in 1937. My antique survey maps show two more roundhouses in Rock Island, but those were razed before the earliest aerial photos so far of their locations, and no surface trace exists of them today. Until photos or older aerial imagery becomes available, a 'revealed on map' notation will suffice. Rock Island, IL - 41°30'39.30"N 90°34'50.09"W - roundhouse/turntable razed by 1937. No trace left for archeological discovery. Rock Island, IL - 41°30'42.62"N 90°34'49.73"W - roundhouse/turntable razed by 1937. Possible archeological evidence. Hampton, IL - 41°32'8.04"N 90°25'26.51"W - Milw. turntable location - Probable archeological evidence I scoured the Sanborn maps for South Carolina. Only five cities, besides the one on the list, showed anything within their borders. That's not to say there couldn't have been structures elsewhere. Will have to wait for older aerial imagery to confirm more. Anderson, SC - 34°30'13.79"N 82°39'24.45"W - turntable on Sanborn map. Probable archeological evidence Bennettsville, SC - 34°36'35.43"N 79°41'1.10"W - turntable on Sanborn map. Probable archeological evidence Charleston, SC - 32°47'36.03"N 79°56'22.92"W - roundhouse/turntable location - turntable and footprint are visible in 1958. Clinton, SC - 34°28'20.21"N 81°53'3.38"W - turntable on Sanborn map. Probable archeological evidence Columbia, SC - 34° 0'42.78"N 81° 1'34.74"W - location of Southern Roundhouse/turntable (visible before 1990)
Zwingle MidlandMike, you nailed it! Thank you! Whenever I get a list ready to post, I'll usually go back through and temporarily delete from posting any questionable ones until I can get better information. I meant to delete Ridgway because the "footprint" only showed up in one image with snow, and it looked odd, both in positioning and size. But it turned out well, as peer review is a good quality control. Try these coordinates: 38° 9'0.31"N 107°45'19.12"W. Then use the GE 2003 aerial. See if you can see what I'm seeing. Think we have a match?
MidlandMike, you nailed it! Thank you!
Whenever I get a list ready to post, I'll usually go back through and temporarily delete from posting any questionable ones until I can get better information. I meant to delete Ridgway because the "footprint" only showed up in one image with snow, and it looked odd, both in positioning and size.
But it turned out well, as peer review is a good quality control.
Try these coordinates: 38° 9'0.31"N 107°45'19.12"W. Then use the GE 2003 aerial. See if you can see what I'm seeing. Think we have a match?
While I don't see much at the coordinates (TT pit?), I now see some faint radial pattern to the NW, just below Hyde St., which would be in the right relation for the RH. When I put the Google Earth image into the same orientation as the old photo, your location seems eerily close.
I have wondered where the Ridgway, CO roundhouse was, but I have my doubts about Zwingle's pick. The building immediately to the south is the former DRGW/RGS depot. It has been moved slightly, mainly rotated 90°. Many old pictures show the depot at least a couple hundred yards away from the RH. An overview photo shows the RH located in the SE part of town:
http://swcenter.fortlewis.edu/images/P026/P026006Page.htm
You will see the depot as the isolated building on the right edge of the photo, somewhat up from the line from the RH. Some chat rooms have said that the area around the RH is developing, and not much remains. My guess based on the photo is that it was somewhere near the intersection of Hyde St. and the alley E of Lena St.
Here's another batch for all to enjoy. Edit - relevant sites now linked via Historic Aerials.
Goldfield, NV - 37°43'2.85"N 117°14'3.61"W - T&T pit/footprint. Perris, CA - 33°45'44.09"N 117°13'56.21"W - ancient turntable Healdsburg, CA - 38°36'20.36"N 122°51'45.84"W - abandoned NWP 1906 turntable Bridgeport, CT - 41°10'13.41"N 73°11'1.76"W - large roundhouse/turntable 1949 imagery. South Berwick ME - 43°12'33.36"N 70°47'20.72"W - turntable pit with historic marker, best seen via defoliated 2003 Google imagery. Oakfield, ME - 46° 6'27.66"N 68° 8'50.47"W - footprint in 1996 Google image. Limestone, ME - 46°54'29.13"N 67°49'1.37"W - turntable in 1953 imagery. Corkscrew Gulch (CO) - 37°55'35.70"N 107°40'45.04"W - Remote Silverton Railroad turntable ruin, unusual in that it was used as part of a main line. Peoria, IL - 40°41'51.27"N 89°34'34.23"W - CRI&P turntable preserved in a park. Dupo, IL - 38°31'21.02"N 90°12'37.73"W - roundhouse/turntable 1940 and 1971 Cairo, IL - 36°59'49.89"N 89° 9'41.33"W - filled pit/footprint - roundhouse/turntable in 1938 image. Cairo, IL - 37° 0'21.73"N 89°10'15.94"W - filled pit/footprint - roundhouse/turntable in 1938 image. Ellicott City, MD - N 39° 16.040 W 076° 47.699 - Refurbished 1863 turntable/with historic marker. Swanton, VT - N 44° 55.001 W 073° 07.740 - pit/footprint/single stall preserved at Swanton Historical Society. Tilton, IL - 40° 5'51.32"N 87°39'4.11"W - Wabash pit outline Morrison, CO - N 39° 36.185 W 105° 13.395 - Tiny Town roundhouse/turntable Farmington, UT - N 40° 59.348 W 111° 55.428 - turntable (museum) Los Gatos, CA - 37°14'12.01"N 121°58'29.66"W - 15" gauge tourist railroad turntable. McKeesport, PA - 40°21'17.34"N 79°51'10.20"W - abandoned roundhouse; unusual bldg. arrangement. Pittsburgh, PA - 40°24'9.92"N 79°56'42.51"W - roundhouse/turntable visible through 1969 imagery. Austin, NV - 39°29'51.64"N 117° 4'57.27"W - Turntable site/footprint listed with the National Register of Historic Places N. Stratford, NH - 44°45'18.76"N 71°37'4.26"W - overgrown turntable, very easily seen in 1999 imagery when still in use. Cambridge, MA - 42°22'18.54"N 71° 4'29.52"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1955. Boston, MA - 42°22'50.09"N 71° 4'32.88"W - roundhouse visible through 1996. St. Louis, MO - 38°37'55.94"N 90°14'48.03"W - This turntable/roundhouse is already on the list, but I'm including it for a reference point, because there is another, smaller turntable just 300 feet to the east on the same lead track in 1958. (I'm also now seeing that there is a noticeable discrepancy between coordinates on Google Maps and Google Earth.) - 38°37'54.95"N 90°14'43.11"W. It just looks weird where it is. I have no idea what that rectangular thing is under the track between the two turntables, but it's a little clearer in 1971. St. Louis, MO - 38°36'17.94"N 90°18'41.51"W - roundhouse/turntable through 1971. St. Louis, MO - 38°37'29.83"N 90°13'42.96"W - turntable/footprint visible through 1971. St. Louis, MO - 38°41'57.63"N 90°13'5.28"W - footprint (roundhouse gone sometime after 1971.) St. Louis, MO - 38°34'19.35"N 90°27'43.77"W - uninstalled turntable at transportation museum. St. Louis, MO - 38°43'13.10"N 90°13'20.62"W - roundhouse/turntable 1958; 1971. Kirkwood, MO - 38°34'49.40"N 90°24'18.62"W - turntable in 1958. Herculaneum, MO - 38°15'47.76"N 90°22'27.62"W - 2-stalls/turntable visible in 1940. Crystal City MO - 38°13'25.82"N 90°23'2.69"W - turntable/roundhouse 1940 Crystal City, MO - 38°13'30.25"N 90°22'53.92"W - roundhouse/turntable 1940 - pit and foundation remain in 2012. Crystal City, MO - 38°13'3.99"N 90°22'23.36"W - single stall/turntable 1940 Big Valley, AB - 52° 1'57.66"N 112°44'56.84"W - abandoned pit/stone walls Wallaroo, South Australia, AU - 33°56'2.26"S 137°36'42.30"E - pit/footprint. Palau, Sardinia, Italy - 41°10'47.16"N 9°22'41.55"E - narrow gauge manual turntable Owen Sound, ON - 44°34'27.41"N 80°56'24.52"W - footprint - 1949 image shows roundhouse/turntable. Stratford, ON - 43°21'46.40"N 80°58'6.34"W - roundhouse/pit. Lagos Algarve Portugal - 37° 6'31.95"N 8°40'15.88"W - abandoned roundhouse/turntable next to new station. Chaves, Portugal - N 41° 44.836 W 007° 28.042 - preserved turntable next to new railway station Barca d'Alva, Portugal - N 41° 01.659 W 006° 56.038 - unusual abandoned roundhouse/turntable Papar, Malaysia - 5°43'57.45"N 115°55'58.40"E - turntable for the (meter gauge) North Borneo Railway.
Edit - Relevant images now link directly through http://www.historicaerials.com New Bern, NC - 35° 6'50.75"N 77° 2'28.08"W - Roundhouse/turntable shown in this 1884 photo. Anchorage, AK - 61°13'38.37"N 149°52'37.64"W - Roundhouse as seen in 1964 aerial photography. By this time the turntable had been replaced by a track fan. Van Horne, IA - 42° 0'21.46"N 92° 5'40.77"W - 20-stall footprint best seen in 1956 imagery. Audubon, IA - 41°43'7.74"N 94°56'11.09"W - CRI&P turntable best seen in 1955 image, although it's still difficult. Another in Ft. Dodge, IA - 42°29'35.25"N 94°11'1.42"W - roundhouse/turntable 1939 and 1953. Another in Clinton, IA - 41°49'30.84"N 90°12'11.28"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1937 and 1951.
Davenport, IA - 41°31'10.58"N 90°35'0.92"W - BCR&N-built modified rh/tt, razed in 1978.Sibley, IA - 43°23'44.69"N 95°45'6.33"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1954 Bellevue, IA - 42°15'9.74"N 90°25'25.67"W - Milw. narrow gauge (Cascade branch) three stall roundhouse/turntable. 1936 imagery. Cascade, IA - 42°18'11.44"N 91° 0'21.05"W - Milw. narrow gauge turntable site as published here. Visible in 1936. Waukon, IA - 43°15'53.08"N 91°28'30.63"W - Milw. turntable best visible in 1940 imagery. (Waukon branch.) Verified with track profiles and maps published here. Very difficult to see. Waukon Junction, IA - 43° 9'8.77"N 91°11'8.64"W - Precise location of former W&M narrow gauge turntable as published in this book. Elkader, IA - 42°51'6.97"N 91°23'56.79"W - Standard gauge Milw. turntable visible in 1936 imagery. Decorah, IA - 43°18'16.50"N 91°46'35.50"W - Rock Island turntable visible in 1940 and 1952 imagery. Part of the actual pit location remains un-redeveloped to this day. Visually verified by me May, 2010. Decorah, IA - 43°17'50.10"N 91°47'22.55"W - Milw. turntable most visible in 1940 imagery. Verified with track profiles in addition to a Sanborn map framed on the wall of the Hotel Winnesheik in Decorah. Mt Pleasant, IA - 40°58'19.18"N 91°33'11.16"W - turntable visible in 1937 imagery. Difficult to see. Elma, IA - 43°14'55.89"N 92°26'17.86"W - Turntable pit visible before 2004. Belle Plaine, IA - 41°53'46.85"N 92°16'45.15"W - turntable/roundhouse seen in 1936, 1937, and 1956 imagery. Clarion, IA - 42°43'39.87"N 93°44'25.36"W - CGW roundhouse/turntable in 1939 and 1958 imagery. Winterset, IA - 41°20'15.11"N 94° 1'3.64"W - turntable visible in 1938 and 1948. Pit remnants visible before 1995. Guthrie Center, IA - 41°40'29.26"N 94°30'21.38"W - turntable visible in 1938. Albia, IA - 41° 1'46.43"N 92°48'52.07"W - turntable visible in 1937 and 1950. West Union, IA - 42°57'10.54"N 91°48'18.97"W - Milw. narrow gauge turntable (West Union branch.) 1937 imagery. Muscatine, IA - 41°24'55.80"N 91° 3'10.59"W - Milw. turntable in 1937. Muscatine, IA - 41°25'0.80"N 91° 3'1.72"W - CRI&P single stall/turntable in 1937. Washington, IA - 41°18'10.51"N 91°41'5.52"W - CRI&P 3-stall roundhouse/turntable in 1937. Webster City, IA - 42°28'14.95"N 93°49'31.73"W - 3-stall roundhouse/turntable in 1939 image. Eagle Grove, IA - 42°40'9.62"N 93°54'9.42"W - large roundhouse/turntable in 1939 and 1958. Fort Madison, IA - 40°37'21.97"N 91°20'32.19"W - massive roundhouse/turntable - 1936 and 1956 Fort Madison, IA - 40°37'19.83"N 91°20'34.52"W - transfer table 1936 and 1956 Fort Madison, IA - 40°37'45.40"N 91°19'30.80"W - CFM&DM 3-stall roundhouse/turntable; 1936 and 1956 imagery. Tama, IA - 41°57'40.69"N 92°34'20.10"W - CNW roundhouse/turntable; 1937 and 1951. Marion, IA - 42° 1'57.91"N 91°35'11.33"W - Milw. turntable/footprint; 1936 and 1952. Montezuma, IA - 41°35'25.24"N 92°31'16.76"W - M&StL single stall/turntable; 1936 and 1951 Cumberland, IA - 41°16'13.04"N 94°52'25.11"W - CB&Q turntable; 1936 and 1952. Dows, IA - 42°39'38.56"N 93°30'2.55"W - 2-stall roundhouse/turntable; 1939, 1953, 1958. Vinton, IA - 42° 9'53.80"N 92° 0'45.13"W - CRI&P turntable visible in 1937. Harlan, IA - 41°39'6.54"N 95°18'53.45"W - CRI&P turntable; 1938 and 1950. Carson, IA - 41°14'8.22"N 95°25'24.83"W - CRI&P turntable; 1938 and 1950. Griswold, IA - 41°14'13.85"N 95° 8'18.43"W - turntable; 1936, 1938, and 1950. Shenandoah, IA - 40°46'3.22"N 95°22'29.13"W - turntable visible 1950 and prior. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°16'34.86"N 95°51'54.27"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1938 only. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°16'32.01"N 95°51'51.64"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Turntable remains today. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'48.10"N 95°52'37.29"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'25.83"N 95°50'57.95"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'42.96"N 95°51'10.24"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'49.43"N 95°50'57.86"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Council Bluffs, IA - 41°14'59.47"N 95°51'24.41"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Sioux City, IA - 42°30'23.55"N 96°23'34.86"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1949. Sioux City, IA - 42°30'27.19"N 96°23'25.13"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1949. Plattsville. NE - 41° 0'18.98"N 95°53'3.73"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1950. Plattsville, NE - 41° 0'14.63"N 95°53'6.97"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°17'28.11"N 95°56'2.39"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°17'41.77"N 95°56'2.66"W - roundhouse/turntable; 1938 and 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°13'27.69"N 95°58'23.04"W - turntable/footprint visible in 1950. Omaha, NE - 41°15'46.57"N 95°55'41.18"W - roundhouse/turntable 1938 and 1950. Turntable remains visible through 1993. Nebraska City, NE - 40°40'26.20"N 95°50'41.02"W - roundhouse/turntable visible in any image before 2000. Flemington, NJ - 40°30'22.08"N 74°51'40.66"W - "Turntable Junction" - turntable visible in imagery prior to 1956. Charleston, IL - 39°30'2.75"N 88°10'26.64"W - turntable pit best seen in 1998 and 2005 Google imagery. I lived there when the ancient 2-stall narrow gauge roundhouse was extant, before a tornado took it out. Inver Grove Heights, MN - 44°51'44.08"N 93° 1'5.36"W - RI roundhouse/turntable best seen in 1947 imagery. Yeah, that New Orleans listing should probably be re-named Avondale, LA.One Seattle listing should probably be re-named Magnolia, WA.Elroy, WI - A large roundhouse existed here, but I don't have any maps nor enough photographic evidence to mark its location.
Well... I seem to have hit a limit on Google Earth. It does not seem to be a hard and fast limit, but if I add more that two or three new sites to the Places file, G.E. tells me it has made an error and must terminate. At that point, it loses everything added since I started the program for that session. I have spent the last couple of hours adding a couple of sites and then losing them.
While I try to figure out a work around for this, I won't be adding anything new to my files. I will first finish up a final post for here and then update the files for download. Then go figure out how to handle this.
Right now I am assuming I can export the Places list in sections, then clear/delete the present one and load only a portion which maybe then I can add to unhibited. Export the updated section, clear/delete it and load another section. A hassle, but maybe it will work. I already have it divided by U.S. and NON-U.S., so maybe for a while I can work with them individually, but I figure I may have to divide the U.S. list into two (maybe East and West of the Mississippi) and depending on how the Non-U.S. list grows I may need to break it into sections also.
When I get this figured out, I get back at it.
Edited to set links directly through http://www.historicaerials.com
Earlier Imagery of Jacksonville, FL has given us two more, but deletes an error.
Jacksonville, FL - 30°19'54.96"N 81°40'45.45"W - roundhouse/turntable - 1960 and 1971 imagery. Jacksonville, FL - 30°19'41.16"N 81°42'30.08"W - transfer table - 1960, 1971 and 1980 imagery Jacksonville, FL - 30°19'29.60"N 81°39'53.25"W - This structure doesn't exist in 1960. It's just a wedge-shaped building. Providence, RI - 41°50'16.20"N 71°25'7.52"W - footprint 1955 imagery Providence, RI - 41°49'31.60"N 71°25'44.66"W - footprint in 1955 imagery Providence, RI - 41°50'23.42"N 71°25'4.39"W - roundhouse/turntable 1955 and 1963 imagery This page shows four. I found visual evidence for two of those plus another one not shown.
Jersey City, NJ - 40°43'38.62"N 74° 2'8.14"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1931, 1954 and 1966 imagery. Another in Secaucus, NJ - 40°45'52.13"N 74° 4'37.29"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1966 & prior imagery. Hoboken, NJ - 40°44'7.28"N 74° 2'12.80"W - roundhouse/turntable visible before 1987. Pemberton, NJ - 39°58'39.16"N 74°40'57.53"W - turntable in 1940 imagery Cresskill, NJ - 40°56'38.31"N 73°57'44.90"W - turntable best seen in 1954 Red Bank, NJ - 40°20'40.69"N 74° 4'19.66"W - turntable best seen prior to 1957. Long Branch, NJ - 40°17'58.48"N 73°59'21.58"W - turntable visible prior to 1957. 1920 imagery also shows an engine house. Whiting, NJ - 39°57'3.78"N 74°22'42.48"W - turntable best seen prior to 1956. Barnegat, NJ - 39°45'30.07"N 74°13'18.59"W - turntable best seen 1940 and 1951. Point Pleasant Beach, NJ - 40° 5'37.95"N 74° 2'51.77"W - turntable best seen prior to 1940. Paterson, NJ - 40°54'14.20"N 74° 9'46.76"W - turntable seen prior to 1995. Butler, NJ - 41° 0'16.56"N 74°20'43.84"W - turntable best seen prior to 1979. Dover, NJ - 40°53'0.55"N 74°32'56.29"W - turntable in 1931 imagery. Gladstone, NJ - 40°43'7.33"N 74°39'52.39"W - turntable/pit best seen prior to 1970. Ogdensburg, NJ - 41°4'0.30"N 74°34'14.91"W - Edison's Ogden Mines turntable pit best seen via defoliated imagery of 2002. Suffern, NY - 41° 7'11.79"N 74° 9'34.93"W - turntable seen prior to 1965 Nyack, NY - 41° 5'21.23"N 73°55'17.56"W - turntable seen prior to 1974
On we go with some "Ozzie" sites and a few others that jumbled up in the electronic stacks.
Daylesford, NSW -- Tt -- 37 20.180S 144 9.245E
Tenterfield, NSW -- Tt -- 29 2.995S 152 0.368E
Junee, NSW - Rh & Tt - 34 53.012S 147 34.755E
Wagga Wagga, NSW - Tt - 35 7.270S 147 22.522E
Loftus, NSW - Trans Table - 34 2.728S 141 3.115E This one is a Tram (Trolley) museum
Here are a few from even further south, Tasmania, AU
Hobart, TAS - Rh & Tt - 42 49.863S 147 16.460E
Launceston, TAS - Rh & Tt - 41 25.378S 147 8.455E
Launceston, TAS - Trans Table - 41 25.844S 147 9.740E
Now a couple more US & a Canada that don't show on the newest list, yet.
Nelson, BC - Rh outline - 49 29.403N 117 18.0199W
La Grande, OR - Rh - 45 19.890W 118 5.559W
Oroville, CA - Rh outline - 39 28.978N 141 33.230W
South Cle Elum, WA - Rh outline - 47 10.930N 120 57.325W
Now this next one is in Spain and may just be the one Semper Vaporo was yhinking about that they just about ran over each other (the turntables):
Valladolid, Castile Leon, Spain - 2 TTs & 2 RHS connected - 41 38.417N 4 43.752W
" " " " - Small Trans Table - 41 38.376N 4 43.608W
" " " " - Large Trans Table - 41 38.505N 4 43.369W
Well, enough for this time. Still many more on the list and contacts are letting me know of more around the world.
I do agree with you about Honolulu, but that means the Milwaukee building should come off too. Neither are railroad-related; only built to look that way. Santa Barbara may also fall into that category, except in that case there really was a roundhouse at or near that location. It's just the later enormous construction for the apartments doesn't look anything like the old wooden roundhouse from before.
Perhaps in instances where the exact center can't be determined, a simple notation would suffice, instead of pretending the site doesn't exist, like Mystic, SD, or the transfer table in Jacksonville, FL. I do like that you are giving reasons for not including something. That way it's easier to go back and find more information/better resolution, or determine what even needs a field verification.
Being able to cross-check the list with your PDF files sure makes searching easier. The only snag is that some sites are named differently, but since this researching is a group effort, that has to be expected.
I missed New Egypt on your list, but as a correction that single-stall has been torn down. Only the slab and overgrown pit remain.
Actually, I shouldn't have named Genesee Jct. as Chili. It should probably be named Genesee Junction, as that's where it's located. It's just that the nearest town is Chili. That would be like calling the old station of Elmira, IA "West Branch."
Here's a ground shot of the preserved roundhouse foundation in Old Saybrook. There's more information here. And this source says the roundhouse was built by the Connecticut Valley Railroad in 1871. I've not been able to find out what those parallel wavy lines are to the northwest. If they weren't so cramped and criss-crossed, I'd say they look like four-wheeler tracks, but in addition to there being very little room, I wouldn't think a city park would permit that for liability reasons alone. Would they?
Macon, GA - footprint ADDED: 32°49'35.52"N 83°37'25.08"WAlamosa, CO - footprint ADDED: 37°27'55.44"N 105°51'29.52"WMarmarth, ND - pit/footprint Already in list. Grand Forks, ND - roundhouse/turntable Already in list.Vernon, CT - turntable pit - location referenced here. Can be seen in defoliated 2008 imagery. ADDED: 41°49'19.90"N 72°28'47.49"WHazard, KY - turntable/single stall roundhouse visible in 1999 historic imagery. ADDED: 37°15'34.93"N 83°11'48.41"WWillits, CA - filled pit ADDED: 39°24'48.53"N 123°21'3.68"WLittle Ferry, NJ - turntable Already listed as "Ridgefield Park".New Egypt, NJ - Pemberton and Hightstown Railroad single stall and pit best seen in defoliated 2002 imagery. Now razed. The turntable was moved to the Pine Creek Railroad, already on the list as Hawthorne, NJ. The single-stall is easily seen with 1986 imagery. Already in list.Sheff, IN - footprint barely visible through trees. Not sure what I am seeing to be able to pick a center.McComb, MS - footprint ADDED: 31°14'36.41"N 90°27'0.34"WShelbiana, KY - turntable ADDED: 37°25'38.59"N 82°29'33.38"WHonolulu, HI - replica like in Milwaukee - called "The Roundhouse." Sorry, that is just not RR related..Dillwyn, VA - turntable at 37°32'17.39"N 78°27'42.90"W - Can only be seen using Google Earth 2007 imagery. ADDED: 37°32'17.46"N 78°27'42.91"WPrairie Village, SD - replica roundhouse/turntable ADDED: 44° 0'24.48"N 97°10'15.11"WInternational Falls, MN - unusual roundhouse w/track fan. ADDED: 48°36'9.77"N 93°24'2.48"W I have trouble with this one... No Turntable and Not a ROUND house, but I have listed Turntables with Squarehouses and Roundhouses with Track-fans, so I guess this one counts! Virginia, MN - piece of footprint I don't see it.Norton, VA - filled pit I don't see it.Victoria, VA - footprint ADDED: 36°59'24.83"N 78°13'32.71"WInterbay, WA - roundhouse/turntable Already in list as "Seattle, WA".South Cle Elum, WA - footprint Added: 47°10'55.35"N 120°57'18.34"W
Another batch... I get'em when I can!
Do you have the turntable at Amtrak's (formerly Washington Terminal RR) Ivy City, Washington, D.C. engine servicing facility, at: N 38.91767 W 76.98298
How about the partially overgrown turntable and roundhouse at Jamaica Railway's Kingston terminal engine facility and shop, at about: N 17.97290 W 76.80279
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_railway_station,_Jamaica and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railways_of_Jamaica:_Kingston_to_Montego_Bay (3rd line under Kingston 0.0).
From my Google search,it appears there well may have been others farther out on the line and at junctions and branches, but I have not seen them or photos myself.
- Paul North.
Zwingle The Genesee Jct. Turntable is hard to see, but it's there right next to the swamp. Here's more on this site. There are also maps proving the location. I messed up the Canadian, TX link. These coordinates will take you to the pit. The outline is very clear using 1996 imagery. 35°54'19.46"N 100°24'6.08"W. Hinkle, Oregon (Wiki) Hopefully this Old Saybrook link will be correct. I've had some problems using Google Maps. The coordinates will jump all by themselves if I try to zoom in too much. If this happens again, usually just zooming out and looking in the vicinity will take you there. My apologies. Here are the coordinates. 41°17'3.69"N 72°21'4.47"W Hermon, ME - yep, that's the one. :) I made some errors in your original thread, too.
The Genesee Jct. Turntable is hard to see, but it's there right next to the swamp. Here's more on this site. There are also maps proving the location.
I messed up the Canadian, TX link. These coordinates will take you to the pit. The outline is very clear using 1996 imagery. 35°54'19.46"N 100°24'6.08"W.
Hinkle, Oregon (Wiki)
Hopefully this Old Saybrook link will be correct. I've had some problems using Google Maps. The coordinates will jump all by themselves if I try to zoom in too much. If this happens again, usually just zooming out and looking in the vicinity will take you there. My apologies. Here are the coordinates. 41°17'3.69"N 72°21'4.47"W
Hermon, ME - yep, that's the one. :)
I made some errors in your original thread, too.
Okay, I finally THINK I see a turntable pit at Chili, NY for Genesee Jct. and added it. 43° 5'53.79"N 77°41'24.81"W
I also finally see the footprint of the RH in Canadian, TX.: 35°54'19.46"N 100°24'6.07"W (Dunno why I didn't see it before!)
Old Saybrook... I added it at: 41°17'3.91"N 72°21'4.29"W, but I just don't feel comfortable with it. It does "kind of" look like a RH footprint, but not quite right, In addition the general area seems to be odd for a roundhouse; the area is the Fort Saybrook Monument Park and I am wondering if the outline there is some sort of monument instead of the footprint of roundhouse stalls.
Also, completely off topic... I see a Miniature Golf course to the NE, but what is that snaky like double-trace stuff to the north-northwest? At first I thought it was a rollercoaster or "Wild Mouse" type of amusement park ride, but it does not seem to have any elevation. Any ideas?
Google Earth also sometimes takes great leaps in random directions if I am zoomed in to close (one of the sites near London was very difficult to get the pushpin centered where I wanted it!). I also have noticed that as I change the date in the historical imagery the landmarks can move considerable distances.
Oh well... back to your previous list for a while... then on to DPRNRR's latest additions.
Thanks for updating those locations in Buffalo. Even if you look at an "updated" city map it's hard to tell sometimes just exactly where the borders are. Others are pretty clear. But boy those USGS maps can be so far off it's terrible.
Here's the beginning of the Australia list for all to start working on:
Waterfall, NSW -- Tt -- 34 8.046S 150 59.687E
Kiama, NSW -- Tt -- 34 40.449S 150 51.150E
Bomaderry, NSW -- Tt -- 34 51.353S 150 36.524E
Goulburn, NSW -- Rh & Tt -- 34 46.418S 149 42.634E
Thirlmere, NSW -- Rh & Tt -- 34 12.523S 150 34.061E
Strathfield, NSW -- Tt -- 33 53.216S 151 3.662E
Strathfield, NSW -- Tt -- 33 53.541S 151 4.263E (these two are very close)
Valley Heights, NSW -- Rh & Tt -- 33 42.153S 150 34.814E (a museum)
Gosford, NSW -- Tt -- 33 25.356S 151 20.500E
Cobar, NSW -- Tt -- 31 29.532S 145 50.445E
Broken Hill -- Tt -- 31 57.940S 141 27.609E
Cowra, NSW -- Rh & Tt -- 33 50.552S 148 41.816E
Dorrigo, NSW -- Tt -- 30 20.180S 152 42.455E
Orange (?) -- Rh & Tt -- 33 17.998S 149 6.079E
This is all I have for NSW ( New South Wales ) at this point except for a couple I'm trying to verify as they are both out of service even for the tourist trade. There are many more for the other states but for NT ( Northern Territories ) as there is only one line that goes from the "center" on through Alice Springs north to Darwin, and that part was finished only a few years ago, well after the need for Rhs & Tts.
One other that was brought to my attention in Austria is one that is connected with a festival there. It's in Selzthal at 43 32.996N 14 18.718E and is both a Rh & Tt. It will be impossible to see with GEs images (even the historical one) but, look on Bing and it's perfectly clear.
TRAINMASTER -- DPRNRRColorado
Buffalo, NY 42°51'48.68"N 78°50'53.12"W Nickel Plate ADDED.
Buffalo, NY 42°52'43.09"N 78°49'13.49"W Erie Already in the list.
Buffalo, NY (Gardenville) 42°50'57.56"N 78°45'54.29"W PRR working roundhouse/turntable Already in the list as "W. Seneca".
Buffalo, NY 42°53'26.22"N 78°47'31.66"W DL&W ADDED: But I place this one to the east about 3 blocks, just east of Roland St. at: 42°53'29.10"N 78°47'21.14"W Listed as "Sloan (Buffalo)"
Buffalo, NY 42°51'26.30"N 78°50'54.46"W B&O Already in the list.
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In addition to verifying the above, I found MORE!
It would have been easier if the USGS maps were "NORTH at the TOP" on all of them. Some of those in your reference link were just slightly off kilter and others were off by "about" 90 degrees. And some had very little in the way of identifying landmarks or street names. Makes it hard to find the general area where the USGS map shows a Roundhouse.
I doubt if I will get through the rest of your list tonight, but I am going to put off updating the on-line files until I do get caught up.
Zwingle More US sites:Pine Bluff, AR - footprint ADDED: 34°13'39.10"N 91°59'11.14"WColma, CA - turntable Already in list as Daly City.Fillmore, CA - turntable ADDED: 34°23'57.96"N 118°54'35.20"WOld Saybrook, CT - footprint Can't find anything here.Rollag, MN - roundhouse/turntable Already in list.Unity, ME - turntable ADDED: 44°36'54.03"N 69°19'22.28"WCanadian, TX - footprint seen via historical imagery. Link is to Greenville PA, Looking at Canadian, TX I cannot find a Turntable or Roundhouse... I do see small circle that might be a turntable pit, but it is VERY small.Greenville, PA - roundhouse/turntable ADDED: 41°23'55.30"N 80°23'13.30"WHazelwood, PA - roundhouse/turntable ADDED: 40°25'14.70"N 79°57'2.29"WNorthumberland, PA - footprint ADDED: 40°53'38.73"N 76°49'1.90"WPort Clinton, PA - turntable/single stall Already in the list.Staples, MN - footprint ADDED: 46°21'12.05"N 94°47'43.72"WHinkle, OR - turntable ADDED: 45°47'43.58"N 119°18'1.63"W Any comment on how the name if Hinkle? I cannot find that name on G.E. I would have named it either Stanfield or Hermiston.Lewiston, ID - turntable ADDED: 46°25'18.14"N 116°59'13.71"WAnother Memphis, TN - turntable (zoom for an excellent close-up.) ADDED: 89°53'44.39"W 89°53'44.39"WAvondale, LA - footprint Presently listed as New Orleans... maybe Avondale is better?Bossier City, LA - pit - turntable best seen in 1989 imagery. ADDED: 32°31'17.67"N 93°43'58.03"WMonroe, LA - turntable ADDED: 32°30'17.34"N 92° 6'34.38"WBaltimore, MD (Kresson) - footprint ADDED: 39°17'46.46"N 76°33'33.38"W as"Kresson (Baltimore)"Chili, NY - Genesee Jct. turntable remains. (best seen via defoliated 2005 imagery.) Link is to a shore line of a swamp. I see nothing like a turntable or pit anywhere in the general vicinity in any historical images.Hermon, ME - roundhouse/turntable TT & RH at Northern Maine Jct, SE of Hermon?Oakfield, ME - 46° 6'27.80"N 68° 8'50.72"W - footprint in 1996 imagery. ADDED: 46° 6'27.55"N 68° 8'50.49"WLogan WV - turntable Already in the list as Peach Creek.
More US sites:Pine Bluff, AR - footprint ADDED: 34°13'39.10"N 91°59'11.14"WColma, CA - turntable Already in list as Daly City.Fillmore, CA - turntable ADDED: 34°23'57.96"N 118°54'35.20"WOld Saybrook, CT - footprint Can't find anything here.Rollag, MN - roundhouse/turntable Already in list.Unity, ME - turntable ADDED: 44°36'54.03"N 69°19'22.28"WCanadian, TX - footprint seen via historical imagery. Link is to Greenville PA, Looking at Canadian, TX I cannot find a Turntable or Roundhouse... I do see small circle that might be a turntable pit, but it is VERY small.Greenville, PA - roundhouse/turntable ADDED: 41°23'55.30"N 80°23'13.30"WHazelwood, PA - roundhouse/turntable ADDED: 40°25'14.70"N 79°57'2.29"WNorthumberland, PA - footprint ADDED: 40°53'38.73"N 76°49'1.90"WPort Clinton, PA - turntable/single stall Already in the list.Staples, MN - footprint ADDED: 46°21'12.05"N 94°47'43.72"WHinkle, OR - turntable ADDED: 45°47'43.58"N 119°18'1.63"W Any comment on how the name if Hinkle? I cannot find that name on G.E. I would have named it either Stanfield or Hermiston.Lewiston, ID - turntable ADDED: 46°25'18.14"N 116°59'13.71"WAnother Memphis, TN - turntable (zoom for an excellent close-up.) ADDED: 89°53'44.39"W 89°53'44.39"WAvondale, LA - footprint Presently listed as New Orleans... maybe Avondale is better?Bossier City, LA - pit - turntable best seen in 1989 imagery. ADDED: 32°31'17.67"N 93°43'58.03"WMonroe, LA - turntable ADDED: 32°30'17.34"N 92° 6'34.38"WBaltimore, MD (Kresson) - footprint ADDED: 39°17'46.46"N 76°33'33.38"W as"Kresson (Baltimore)"Chili, NY - Genesee Jct. turntable remains. (best seen via defoliated 2005 imagery.) Link is to a shore line of a swamp. I see nothing like a turntable or pit anywhere in the general vicinity in any historical images.Hermon, ME - roundhouse/turntable TT & RH at Northern Maine Jct, SE of Hermon?Oakfield, ME - 46° 6'27.80"N 68° 8'50.72"W - footprint in 1996 imagery. ADDED: 46° 6'27.55"N 68° 8'50.49"WLogan WV - turntable Already in the list as Peach Creek.
Neck hurts... I'll do more later!
Five more sites in Buffalo, NY (already marked on Google Earth.) These sites were cross-referenced and verified with USGS maps, like Monroe, VA. Buffalo, NY 42°51'48.68"N 78°50'53.12"W Nickel Plate Buffalo, NY 42°52'43.09"N 78°49'13.49"W Erie Buffalo, NY (Gardenville) 42°50'57.56"N 78°45'54.29"W PRR working roundhouse/turntable Buffalo, NY 42°53'26.22"N 78°47'31.66"W DL&W Buffalo, NY 42°51'26.30"N 78°50'54.46"W B&O More US sites: Pine Bluff, AR - footprint Colma, CA - turntable Fillmore, CA - turntable Old Saybrook, CT - footprint Rollag, MN - roundhouse/turntable Unity, ME - turntable Canadian, TX - footprint seen via historical imagery. Greenville, PA - roundhouse/turntable Hazelwood, PA - roundhouse/turntable Northumberland, PA - footprint Port Clinton, PA - turntable/single stall Staples, MN - footprint Hinkle, OR - turntable Lewiston, ID - turntable Another Memphis, TN - turntable (zoom for an excellent close-up.) Avondale, LA - footprint Bossier City, LA - pit - turntable best seen in 1989 imagery. Monroe, LA - turntable Baltimore, MD (Kresson) - footprint Chili, NY - Genesee Jct. turntable remains. (best seen via defoliated 2005 imagery.) Hermon, ME - roundhouse/turntable Oakfield, ME - 46° 6'27.80"N 68° 8'50.72"W - footprint in 1996 imagery. Logan WV - turntable Macon, GA - footprint Alamosa, CO - footprint Marmarth, ND - pit/footprint Grand Forks, ND - roundhouse/turntable Vernon, CT - turntable pit - location referenced here. Can be seen in defoliated 2008 imagery. Hazard, KY - turntable/single stall roundhouse visible in 1999 historic imagery. Willits, CA - filled pit Little Ferry, NJ - turntable New Egypt, NJ - Pemberton and Hightstown Railroad single stall and pit best seen in defoliated 2002 imagery. Now razed. The turntable was moved to the Pine Creek Railroad, already on the list as Hawthorne, NJ. The single-stall is easily seen with 1986 imagery. Sheff, IN - footprint barely visible through trees. McComb, MS - footprint Shelbiana, KY - turntable Honolulu, HI - replica like in Milwaukee - called "The Roundhouse." Dillwyn, VA - turntable at 37°32'17.39"N 78°27'42.90"W - Can only be seen using Google Earth 2007 imagery. Prairie Village, SD - replica roundhouse/turntable International Falls, MN - unusual roundhouse w/track fan. Virginia, MN - piece of footprint Norton, VA - filled pit Victoria, VA - footprint Interbay, WA - roundhouse/turntable South Cle Elum, WA - footprint Galveston, TX - GH&H footprint Galveston, TX - ATSF footprint Galveston, TX - 29°18'15.21"N 94°48'59.66"W GTRR seen using Google historic imagery. Marienville, PA - roundhouse/turntable Purcell, OK - 35° 0'33.14"N 97°21'23.85"W - Roundhouse marked on Google Earth. No trace remains except turntable leads. Centerville, IA - 40°43'20.39"N 92°51'47.93"W - roundhouse/footprint in 1941 and 1950 imagery. West Liberty, IA - 41°34'21.27"N 91°16'8.78"W Overgrown footprint. Can be seen in 1937 imagery. Davenport, IA - 41°31'10.58"N 90°35'0.92"W - two-stall roundhouse best seen in 1956 imagery. Burlington, IA - 40°47'57.63"N 91° 5'58.26"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1937 and 1951 imagery.
Burlington, IA - 40°49'34.64"N 91° 6'13.85"W - CRIP roundhouse/turntable seen in 1937 and 1951 imagery.
Keokuk, IA - 40°23'14.12"N 91°23'31.67"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1936 and 1956 imagery
East Dubuque, IL - 42°29'32.98"N 90°38'45.22"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1994 Google imagery.
Dubuque, IA - 42°29'10.13"N 90°39'31.00"W - IC turntable visible in 1995 imagery. 1937 imagery shows two roundhouses. Dubuque, IA - 42°30'48.83"N 90°39'43.23"W - MILW footprint best seen in Google 1999 imagery.
Eldon, IA - 40°55'1.13"N 92°13'26.19"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1937 imagery.
Clinton, IA - 41°49'41.87"N 90°12'10.28"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1937 and 1951 imagery. Waterloo, IA - 42°31'23.09"N 92°20'59.33"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1937 and 1952 imagery.
Marquette, IA - 43° 2'36.36"N 91°11'33.02"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1936 and 1952 imagery.Cedar Rapids, IA- 41°58'10.64"N 91°38'54.31"W - roundhouse/turntable in 1936 and 1952 imagery.
Brownwood, TX - filled pit/footprint - This turntable was eventually installed at Grapevine, TX. Four more 1/4 scale, like in Sonoma, CA.Brooks, OR - roundhouse/turntable Steelville, MO - roundhouse/turntable Near Berkeley, CA - roundhouse/turntable Glencoe, MO - turntable/roundhouse Half-scale:Lake Delton, WI - roundhouse/turntables - Three turntables of different sizes exist here, but I only counted two in this image. Non-US:Ampflwang, Austria - roundhouse/turntable Cosquin, Argentina - isolated turntable Mechita, Argentina - turntable Athens, Greece - roundhouse/turntableCasilda, Cuba - turntable London, England - turntableKorosten, Ukraine - roundhouse/turntable Luxembourg, Luxembourg - two roundhouses/turntables Guatemala City, Guatemala - roundhouse/turntableBeekbergen, Netherlands - turntable Székesfehérvár, Hungary - roundhouse/turntableSibiu, Romania - roundhouse/turntable Hoenefoss, Norway - turntable Baquedano, Chile - roundhouse/turntable Salzburg, Austria - roundhouse/turntable 1 and roundhouse/turntable 2 Junee NSW., Australia - roundhouse/turntableMelbourne, VIC, Australia - two turntables Cootamundra, NSW, Australia - turntable Broadmeadow, NSW, Australia - roundhouse; two turntablesSan Martín, Buenos Aires, Argentina - turntable Didcot, England - turntable Patra, Greece - turntable Regua, Portugal - turntable Barreiro, Portugal - roundhouse/turntable Garmisch, Germany - roundhouse/turntable Milan, Italy - roundhouse/turntableGletsch, Switzerland - turntable Delémont, Switzerland - roundhouse and two turntables Araraquara, Brazil - roundhouse/turntable Another in Vancouver, BC - isolated turntable - Street View shows track still in place Kentville, NS - roundhouse (now demolished) Wakefield, QC - turntable Jonquiere, QC - turntable/roundhouse Field, BC - footprint Kyoto, Japan - roundhouse/turntable Riihimäki, Finland - double roundhouse/turntableGdynia, Poland - two roundhouses/two turntables Barwick, England - turntable Sutton., England - turntableSwanage, England - turntable York, England - turntable inside museum. Dublin, Ireland - turntable Gisborne, New Zealand - turntable Ginda, Eritrea - rail-bus turntable Kumasi, Ghana - abandoned turntable Brugg (AG), Switzerland - roundhouse/turntable Uster, Switzerland - roundhouse/turntable Luzern, Switzerland - turntable Tapolca, Hungary - turntable Cheb, CZ - two roundhouses/turntables Klatovy, CZ - roundhouse/turntable Olomouc, CZ - (Two) - Roundhouse/turntable 1 and Roundhouse/turntable 2 Brno, CZ - turntable Madurai, India - abandoned full-circle roundhouse/turntable Chur, Switzerland - turntable Matucana, Peru - turntable Kartuzy, Poland - roundhouse/turntableMalbork, Poland - two - roundhouse/turntable - and another footprint is across the tracks.Apizaco, Mexico - roundhouse Adana, Turkey - roundhouse/turntable Buzau, Romania - roundhouse/turntable Knysna, South Africa - turntable Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania - roundhouse/turntable And two non-railroad turntables, included here for fun. Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania - turntable for ships.Rome, Italy - turntable for directional towers. Greenfield, MA needs to be corrected to East Deerfield, MA. Greenfield is across the Deerfield River, and the site has always been referred to as East Deerfield. Note turntable site in Turners Falls, as well as the other East Deerfield roundhouse on the older USGS maps. The former RI turntable in Rock Island has been taken out. Using historicaerials.com I've now confirmed as correct the bricked turntable location for Turntable Junction in Flemington, NJ. That turntable, and others in NJ is also discussed here.
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It's sad isn't it!? Every once in a while we jump the tracks. If we're lucky all we'll land in is some nice soft sand, not a swamp. It looks like Zwingle beat me to the punch on the Milwaukee sites as I had them but forgot to pass them on. Good job Zwingle!!!
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Like my sig line presently says... "My train of thought was derailed... There were no survivors."
Aurora, IL -- Rh outline -- 41 46.318N 88 16.399W Already in list.
Harding, PA -- Rh -- 41 21.156N 75 48.036W Already in list.
Baltimore, MD -- Tt -- 39 16.124N 76 36.089W Added.
Nashua, NH -- Rh stall -- 42 45.726N 71 27.110W Added.
Tracy, MN -- Tt -- 44 14.024N 95 37.678W Added.
Fon du Lac, WI -- Tarns Table -- 43 48.610N 88 28.692W { I got so engrossed in looking at the two Rhs that at first I missed the table.} Added. (I bet there are lots of Transfer tables I missed because I was not looking for them initially.)
Minneapolis, MN -- Tt -- 45 2.811N 93 16.350W Already in the list, but shown as 'Fridley, MN'.
Squamish, BC -- Rh & Tt -- 49 43.681N 123 9.627W Added.
Hanna, BC -- Rh & Tt -- 51 38.273N 111 56.219W Added.
London, ON -- Rh -- 42 58.885N 81 14.379W Added.
Biggar, SK -- Rh -- 52 3.265N 107 59.751W Added.
I have several others I have added in both the US and non-U.S. lists and will publish the 3 files again this weekend.
Here are the others on my list of, OOOPS, I did it again. They weren't included last time.
Aurora, IL -- Rh outline -- 41 46.318N 88 16.399W
Harding, PA -- Rh -- 41 21.156N 75 48.036W
Baltimore, MD -- Tt -- 39 16.124N 76 36.089W [This is the one I mentioned about being in an E coast port]
Nashua, NH -- Rh stall -- 42 45.726N 71 27.110W [the west side of the building is the one stall that was saved from the Rh that was there.
Tracy, MN -- Tt -- 44 14.024N 95 37.678W
Fon du Lac, WI -- Tarns Table -- 43 48.610N 88 28.692W { I got so engrossed in looking at the two Rhs that at first I missed the table.}
Minneapolis, MN -- Tt -- 45 2.811N 93 16.350W
Based on the latest downloaded list from Semper Vaporo I don't think any of these are on it, but....
Here are a few from Canada that popped up in extra research there:
Squamish, BC -- Rh & Tt -- 49 43.681N 123 9.627W
Hanna, BC -- Rh & Tt -- 51 38.273N 111 56.219W
London, ON -- Rh -- 42 58.885N 81 14.379W
Biggar, SK -- Rh -- 52 3.265N 107 59.751W
Really, next week I'll submit my list of AU sites.
Spent some time today, adding the 3 Milwaukee sites from Zwingle and then verifying the latest from DPRNRR.
Nice to have 4 from Luxembourg! Yes, those two together are very nice. There are several in Europe that have adjacent Roundhouses... Some in Germany have 3 in a row.
Then there is the one in Prague, Czech Republic where the Turntables are adjacent to service two slightly more than half Roundhouses that face each other. See: (previously listed way back in this thread).
that is one of them, the other is just a turntable length south!
I added the Poland sites too.
I also stumbled onto another in a Paris Suburb:
And while looking for something else, I stumbled onto:
What I was looking for is a pair of Turntables and Roundhouses that are so close together that the Turntables interfere with each other... In order for either of them to rotate completely the other must be out of the way. I remember seeing it and adding to my list several years ago, but that list got clobbered way-back-when and I now cannot find where it was. I am sure it was in southern Europe someplace, possibly southeastern France, but I just do not remember for sure. Does any one know where it is/was? It was similar to the one in Prague, but closer together. I never understood the reason for building them so close together as it seems to be just one more thing to bother with in checking and possibly having to go adjust before either table could be used.
Hi all! I'm getting a bit ahead of myself but I came across some direction while reading something that lead me to a few spots that are VERY interesting.
Luxembourg City, Luxembourg -- Rh w/internal Tt -- this is one of two from the late 1800s that they have apparently preserved. -- 49 36.112N 6 8.182E
Luxembourg City, Luxembourg -- Rh w/internal Tt -- This is the second one like the first but not exactly the same size. -- 49 36.047N 6 8.177E
Luxembourg City, Luxembourg -- A complex comprised of two RH & two Tt combined by what appears to be a shop/fabricating building -- 49 35.467N 6 8.190E
All I can say on these is WOW! They do remind me somewhat of the Roanoke, VA complex though.
Also, I had mention of Poland so I did a brief search and came up with the following:
Skierniewice -- Rh & Tt -- 51 57.920N 20 8.595E
Pila -- Rh & Tt -- 53 8.567N 16 45.125E
Pila -- Rh & Tt -- 53 8.588N 16 45.174E
As can be seen by the coordinates these last two are next to each other.
By the way a point on the Bayshore, CA roundhouse complex. There is a website put up by a group trying to save the complex and turn it into a museum/park, and they show the address as being in Brisbane, CA.
In a few days I'll pass on a few others from the US that I forgot and then I'll get on to AU and another European country.
Sorry for the goof on Harrisonburg, VA. I usually check better than that. There was another one that seemed suspicious that I didn't check back in time, and that was the one in Milwaukee. If you go back to 2000 it's no longer there. This would make it a recent construction, apparently designed to look like a roundhouse. This would still make it and the pit a replica, so I suppose no changes would be necessary to the list.
However, when you go back to 2000 you can also see two roundhouse outlines as well as a transfer table, or where one was. When I was 15 I got a tour of the Milwaukee shops and took pictures of all these things. This was over 30 years ago, and the northernmost roundhouse still had six stalls and the turntable was working. Looking at the pictures now, I'm noticing the doors to the roundhouse rolled up like garage doors.
43°1'43.36"N 87°57'37.36"W
These coordinates (in 2000) will take you to the center of the transfer table. Absolutely nothing exists today.
As for Monroe, VA, I knew the outline would be hard to see, which is why I included a USGS map showing its location.
Good point on Flemington, NJ. Several years ago there was a photo essay online about this location, as well as one for Caspar, CA, even showing photos of the respective turntables. Both Flickr essays are now gone. So from a neutral position, you are right to avoid making them "official." The important thing at this point is that there's mention of different 'possibilities' in this thread. That way whenever more information does come across on the web those locations will be easier to reference.
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