New items added mainly due to a posting from DPRNRRColorado, See: http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/210925.aspx
New USA sites added:
New Non-USA sites:
There are now 946 sites in the U.S. list and 451 sites in the Non-U.S. list.
Excel file of both lists:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls
Non-U.S. list in PDF format:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
U.S. list in PDF format:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
As usual, if anyone finds a mistake, please let me know and I will correct it.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
I can certainly attribute the 1st one as a typo.
But that 2nd one is closer to just plain numbskullery.
Thanks.
(It also tells me that people are actually looking at it! Double thanks!)
((And I have to admit that last weekend when I was working through all the new sites, I found a couple of other errors from a LONG time ago and fixed them... I think I had a site in Michigan as being in New Hampshire, so the numbskullery is not new!!!!))
The new files are uploaded, to the same links as before... See the top of this page of the thread.
I noticed a couple of typos:
USA NY Nornell Should be: Hornell
USA OH N. Bessemer Should be: USA PA N. Bessemer
Added bunches and bunches more from the various posts herein... I am now as up to date as I can be, but there were several that I was unable to verify... I will try to make a list of them for discussion if you wish.
Additions to Non-U.S. Sites:
Additions to U.S. sites:
I have uploaded the new files to the links in my previous post.
Excel file of both sets of data: (252K)
PDF file of Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (7 pages, 40K)
PDF file of U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (15 pages, 66K)
Well... ya cain't say I din't warn ya! I am still ATTEMPTING to update the list from all the EXCELLENT research you folk have been doing!
To that end I just completed the additions from Zwingle of 01-22-2012 4:26 AM
I had a terrible time with them as most I initially could not even verify based on the links that were provided. I found maybe 10 out of the huge list and was beginning to wonder what was going on. Then I noticed that using one of the links to Historic Aerials, that if I drug the image down there was a definite error in the sewing of the new image that appeared from above the original image that came up. I tried refreshing the screen and got yet another odd image that didn't show a Roundhouse or Turntable. I found I have to select a different year and then reselect the year that was intended and THEN I get the correct image. WHAT A PAIN! I had to go back through the entire list to recheck them and all were then verified! (Stupid Cornphewter enyhow!)
So, here are the updates to the master list. I also added a few of my own and a few non-U.S. sites too.
I will get started on the next of Zwingles lists now, (and make sure I do the little 'fix' to get the correct images so I don't start discarding stuff I can't find and then have to do it all over again!).
Non-U.S. sites:
U.S. sites:
I will post again after I get the on-line files updated.
I figured N. Bessemer OH was near Conneaut, but when I entered the Lat-Long into Google Earth, I realized it was the BLE yard in N. Bessemer, PA. Thanks for the list.
MidlandMike/Semper Vaporo and all else --- here is the list of spots I've come up with over the last couple of months. I hope some of them at least will be new to you. DPRNRRColorado
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/CPR_London/history_Main.htm
http://www.creativeproperty.com/html/features1.html
Two roundhouses based in London ON.....
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Yes, please list them here. I "am" working on it, but my attention span is a bit artifically limited recently and I can't put in the time like I was doing.
(Of course, if you REALLY want to "spur me"... send cash! )
(The hurrieder I go, the behinder I get!)
DPRNRRColorado, go ahead and post those sites to the forum so everyone interested can see them. It might spur Semper Vaporo to update his list.
Mike, Thanks for this note, I'll have to check that out. Where there was almost always the covered wye there it seems odd that there was a Tt., but!? By the way, I don't want to waste space by putting in a list of sites I've found while poking around over the past couple of months, so, if you would like a copy of the list email me at DPNRR@gmail.com and I'll be glad to forward it to you. There are 40 of what I think are new locations not on Semper Vaporo's latest list. This is allowing for some I might have missed. DPRNRRColorado
Here is another former TT site in Colorado
CO Cumbres 37° 1'9.90"N 106°26'56.55"W C&TS (D&RGW) TT Dismantled
The historical reference is from a C&TS booklet on Cumbres Pass from a recent Classic Trains forum thread on Railfanning Colorado
http://www.trainweb.org/rradventures/2005/09-22_Cumbres_and_Toltec_Scenic_Railroad-yyy_003.htm
I was looking at the Classic Trains Forum for the first time and there was a picture of the double overlapping turntable in Hamburg that was discussed earlier in this thread.
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/t/207002.aspx
In another Classic Trains thread Called "Turntables" the topic came up again, and it was posited that it started out as 2 smaller separate turntables, but became overlapped when the tables were enlarged.
Decided to re-list the links to the files so no one has to go back and read all through the pages of this thread to find them.
Excel file of both sets of data: (241K)
PDF file of Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (6 pages, 39K)
PDF file of U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (14 pages, 62K)
DPRNRRColorado: Added everything from your post of: 01-15-2012 8:00 PM From your post of: 01-17-2012 12:56 PM Your coords for Dalesford, NSW are too far north; probably a typo (but hard to tell without converting my designation from Deg, Min, Sec to Deg, min.fract and I am too lazy to do it) ... Your coords look like horse exercise ovals... but to the south of that I found a TT. Typo on the coords for Loftus. At: 34° 2'43.71"S 151° 3'6.92"E (151° instead of 141°) I find what looks like might be a transfer table associated with some boat shaped rail cars. Typo on Oroville coords... should be 121° instead of 141°. --
Zwingle: 01-17-2012 9:32 PM
Thanks for settling the Jacksonville Trans Table location and for the deletion of the pie shaped building.
Providence, RI. I think I found the 1st and 3rd of your references but that 2nd one (41°49'31.60"N 71°25'44.66"W) escapes me. Then I went back One-More-Time and lo and behold there is a very vague fan outline.
Dover, NJ 40°53'0.55"N 74°32'56.29"W ... Sorry, I just can't find it.
Ogdensburg, NJ 41°4'0.30"N 74°34'14.91"W ... Sorry, I can't find it.
Here is what I have added so far.
BTW: In another forum thread about a request for Classic Trains magazine doing an article about Roundhouses and Turntables...
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/t/204617.aspx
Juniatha posted a photo of a Roundhouse with DUAL turntables that intermesh like I described previously. I searched Google Earth and found it! (YEA! \o/ ). It shows in the 10/2000 images as just a footprint of the turntables and rounhouse. The area also has images from 12/1943; That image is not registered against the coordinates the same as the other images. It is shifted to the west about 1/2 mile. The image is poor resolution and it is difficult to tell if the twin turntables are there or not in that year. I listed both turntables as in Hamburg-Altona, Germany.
U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables:
Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables:
I hope to start on the posting by Zwingle on 01-22-2012 4:26 AM after I get the on-line files uploaded for the above.
HA! Bet you thought you were rid of this thread, din't ya?!
Well back to the regularly scheduled random updates of the Roundhouse and Turntable list.
Continuing from the Non-U.S. portion of Zwingle's post of 01-15-2012 2:12 PM... (That was two pages ago! Yick!)
While fumbling around with the two in Salzburg, Austria, I found one is Freilassing!
The San Martin, Buenos Aires, Argentina coords center on an odd oval structure that I don't think is a turntable pit. However just a few hundred feet to the NW is a large full circle Roundhouse and Turntable.
The Vancouver, BC site is a real oddball! The site may have been a former turntable, but the track in the former "pit" is not truely "Railroad" track, it is track used by the movie industry to let a camera move smoothly in a shot. The "trolley" is also movie industry equipment to hold a camera on that track. I am going to list it in my files because of the evidence presented by the web site you refereneced, but I am seriously wondering if it is a confused urban story because of the Roundhouse Community center to the NW (which I previously added to the list). And that rather strange tilt to the road or the grassy island of the round-about that the track is on is confusing (the track does not really appear to be centered in the circle, either!). Your list as Sutton, England, I find the coordinates take me to Stibbington, Cambridgeshire, UK where there is a turntable. Sutton is south of London.
I cannot see any turntable in Ginda, Eritrea. (And I have to admit, I had never heard of Eritrea.) Kumasi, Ghana becomes the first one added to the list that is on the African Continent and I have done a lot of searching there and found nothing! I see some more possibles farther down the list.
Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania... FOR SHIPS??? Why is there a roundhouse there and all the RR tracks? And those certainly appear to be RR cars on the tracks. I am confused (so what else is new?)
Fixed Greenfield/East Deerfield NJ (for the 2nd time I think!) I still can't find anything at Turners Falls.
Oh well... here is the days work:
U.S. additions:
Non-U.S. additions:
I will get the on-line files updated yet tonight.
Kettle Valley Railway.
Remnants at Brookmere B.C.
49*49'05.48"N
120*52'08.02"W
ELEV. 991 Metre's
The water tower is also visible just West.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Chilicothe OH - 39°20'0.11"N 82°58'6.67"W - rh/tt - pit/print remain today Naples, NY - 42°37'7.30"N 77°24'23.49"W - LV turntable site. Pit depression and turntable lead can be seen via 1994 GE imagery, however, due to the mostly collapsed walls and lack of decent definition, it is best seen from the ground until defoliated aerial photographs become available. Alleghany, VA - 37°44'50.74"N 80°14'34.60"W - site of 100' turntable for helpers. Tunnel and turntable were controlled from the tower to the west Seattle, WA - 47°34'29.24"N 122°19'56.45"W - rh/tt <1940 Seattle, WA - 47°33'23.83"N 122°19'41.55"W - rh/tt <1936 Seattle, WA - 47°34'57.73"N 122°20'8.15"W - rh/tt <1940; tt <1969 Tacoma, WA - 47°15'32.78"N 122°24'37.10"W - rh/tt <1980 Tacoma, WA - This site is already on the list, but I'm including it to show anyone curious what the roundhouse looked like. Bo'ness, UK - 56° 1'6.15"N 3°36'4.96"W - very unusual turntable. Appears to have been used to turn individual (ore?) cars onto a perpendicular track.Scots' Gap, UK - 55°10'21.92"N 1°56'33.41"W - turntable remnant. Clones, Ireland - 54°10'56.79"N 7°14'15.47"W - re-purposed roundhouse - Can be seen with GE, but not with GM nor Bing.Arnes-Lledó, Spain - 40°56'42.83"N 0°16'42.62"E - abandoned 3-stall rh/pit next to bike trail. Swindon, UK - 51°33'38.82"N 1°47'54.87"W - turntable preserved in restaurant parking lot. Otahuhu, New Zealand - 36°56'35.60"S 174°49'55.53"E - turntable Wellington, New Zealand - 41°16'18.94"S 174°47'1.42"E - turntable (coordinates are slightly off with Google Maps.) Auckland, New Zealand - 36°50'54.58"S 174°47'2.09"E - turntable ring; turntable visible before 2009. Gądów Poland - 51° 6'23.05"N 17° 0'42.59"E - tt (coordinates slightly off with Google Maps.) Gądów Poland - 51° 6'36.14"N 17° 0'30.50"E - tt/footprint Krakow, Poland - 50° 1'39.58"N 19°59'11.87"E - double-roundhouse/tt in an arrangement similar to the original arrangement in East Deerfield, MA.
Brattleboro, VT - 42°50'33.99"N 72°32'59.83"W - rh/tt 1951 - remnants today. I know I just said I would mainly focus on the US and Canada, but I'm kind of wanting to find that overlapping double-turntable. I thought it would turn up quickly, because it's so unusual, but the thing is remaining elusive. I can picture it in my mind. I know what it looks like. I'm surprised it hasn't been found yet. The universe will remain out of balance until this is located. In my search , I ran across this picture, showing an unusual arrangement of two large, elongated roundhouses, each with two turntables, one large and one small, possibly narrow gauge. It's from some German City after WWII bombings, and the roundhouses are clearly damaged (craters everywhere, too.) I haven't been able to find it, although early imagery is limited.
Here are a couple older discussions.
Also in my search, I happened upon more as expected.. Yeovil Jct., UK - 50°55'25.92"N 2°36'49.12"W - tt Boot, UK - 54°23'42.67"N 3°16'27.07"W - tt Sutton, UK - 52°34'5.32"N 0°23'20.60"W - steam engine on tt Christchurch, UK - 50°43'59.71"N 1°46'33.18"W - Britain's last trolley turntable Hoveton, UK - 52°42'59.70"N 1°24'30.37"E - tt Palermo, Italy - 38° 6'3.57"N 13°22'41.63"E - rh/tt Catania, Italy - 37°30'58.80"N 15° 6'29.13"E - rh/tt Arad, Romania - 46°11'20.57"N 21°19'39.60"E - rh/tt Arad, Romania - 46°10'59.24"N 21°20'50.80"E - tt Timisoara, Romania - 45°45'6.64"N 21°12'6.08"E - two rh/two tt Ploiesti, Romania - 44°55'14.28"N 26° 0'46.18"E - two rh/two tt Toruń, Poland - 53° 1'48.72"N 18°38'18.00"E - rh/tt Katowice, Poland - 50°15'27.73"N 19° 0'22.00"E - two rh/two tt Gdynia, Poland - 54°31'53.01"N 18°30'25.54"E - two rh/two tt Inowrocław, Poland - 52°48'26.51"N 18°14'38.28"E - two rh/one tt (originally two) Bydgoszcz, Poland - 53° 8'8.18"N 17°59'20.49"E - two rh/two tt Berlin, Germany - 52°29'50.33"N 13°22'32.98"E - 2rh/2tt (Now a museum) Berlin, Germany - 52°29'48.49"N 13°22'18.07"E - rh/tt in 1943 Google imagery. Berlin, Germany - 52°28'1.07"N 13°21'47.79"E - rh/tt best seen in 1953 imagery. Halle, Germany - 51°29'21.35"N 11°59'14.51"E - two rh/two tt - One abandoned ruin, the other refurbished. Bareuth, Germany - 49°56'55.29"N 11°34'50.58"E - abandoned tt/outline Lippstadt, Germany - 51°40'9.42"N 8°20'21.16"E - rh/tt Garmisch, Germany - 47°29'12.48"N 11° 5'59.73"E - rh/tt Cologne, Germany - 50°57'7.08"N 6°56'40.94"E - 2tt/2sets of radial tracks (earlier imagery shows roundhouse)Cologne, Germany - 50°59'2.51"N 6°55'11.57"E - tt Deutz, Germany - 50°56'25.37"N 6°59'11.69"E - tt St. Denis, France - 48°54'41.87"N 2°21'17.16"E - rh/tt site (recently razed) Paris, France - 48°50'30.15"N 2°23'2.06"E - four rh/four tt in a row -1949 imagery. 3 complete, top one partial. Bottom one is very small (narrow gauge?) Nevers, France - 46°59'50.71"N 3° 8'15.93"E - rh/tt - Judging from the track arrangement, there may have been two more adjacent roundhouses long ago. Chambery, France - 45°34'36.28"N 5°55'1.70"E - two rh/two tt - one enclosed. Villeneuve-St George, France - 48°45'26.07"N 2°26'13.53"E - rh/tt
Algiers, Algeria - 36°45'12.00"N 3° 4'11.15"E - rh/tt Riga, Latvia - 56°54'35.43"N 24°12'15.10"E - rh/tt Minsk, Belarus - 53°52'34.62"N 27°31'29.73"E - rh/tt Nove Zamky, Slovakia - 47°59'45.37"N 18°10'32.95"E - two rh/two tt Stockholm, Sweden - 59°21'23.50"N 17°58'54.22"E - rh/tt Santiago, Chile - 33°28'31.84"S 70°40'33.59"W - two rh/two tt - with the track arrangement as it is, the whole complex looks like a big grin..
Ugh, sorry about the link error. Now that I'm including coordinates too I'm hoping it will act as a safeguard against future errors, and make things easier for everyone.
Steelville, MO - 37°57'57.61"N 91°28'36.19"W
As for Mosinee, WI, I made an error. Mosinee Paper used to lease a locomotive that they kept in what is called "the roundhouse," which they do own. It appears to be an ancient structure made of brick, but that doesn't say much, because the paper mill itself is 101 years old. The image I first saw wasn't as defined, and it looked more round than what it really is. I see what you're saying.
I'm now thinking if the paper mill is that old, it would seem unlikely that a railroad would build a roundhouse right in the middle of their operation. It would also seem unlikely that the paper mill would decide to locate themselves right on top of a railroad roundhouse already there. I probably should have waited to submit that one until better historic imagery became available, but I think it would show the same thing as we see today. It's probably just an angular building built by the paper mill to store locomotives for use in their paper operation. We were bound to run into an oddball situation like this. It sorta feels like finding a false morel.
In that same post I included a bunch of foreign turntables and roundhouses. I found those in my search for that double-turntable you were talking about. I remember seeing that, too, but it's been quite awhile. I tried to find it, but to no avail. I haven't yet given up, but for the most part I'm going to stick with the US and Canada. That alone will be a list impossible to complete, because there will always be at least one more forgotten roundhouse or turntable site out there waiting to be remembered.
Some I can't post until better images become available. There was a five-stall roundhouse at Fishkill Landing in Beacon, NY at roughly 41°30'17.62"N 73°59'6.30"W. Those coordinates are an approximation, based on an old photo from this page. It looks like the shoreline may have been altered somewhat, which makes it harder to locate precisely. Thus, I'm still waiting for decent historical imagery to pinpoint it better before I post it "officially."
In my last post I included an entry for Howells, GA. I never could find the location, but I'm thinking it might be one of the Atlanta listings. I don't know, but according to this source it had 19 stalls and a 101' turntable. Maybe someone out there knows and can shed some light.
Also, while I'm thinking about it, in Eldorado, IL, there was an unusual building arrangement. I can't tell what the heck it was. I've never seen anything quite like it. Anyone have ideas? It's a puzzler, for sure.
When I started having the problem of Google Earth quiting at random times, I checked for updates to it and there were none at that time.
Guessing that the problem might be because of too little memory, I tried enlarging the Swap File to the maximum (16GB) but that did not help. So I ordered more real RAM memory for the PC (8GB). It arrived on Saturday and I installed it and started to see where I had left off in the lists you people have been posting. Before I even got to the point where I was sure I had found the next one to add, GE said it had an error and had to quit.
RATZ!
I checked again to see if there were any updates to GE and found now there was one. So I installed it and found it has some weird bugs of its own. At first I could not do two searches in a row. It just made the computer REALLY SLOW on the 2nd search. Panning or Zooming became painfully slow and jerky. I had to terminate and restart to get some semblance of useability.
Then that problem seemed to magically go away! So, I added about 30 to 35 more sites this afternoon... but I am still a bit skittish about the program quitting unexpectedly, so I would terminate and restart after every 5 or 6 new sites added. I am sure I will get more and more bold (pronounce that "Lazy") and add more and more sites between restarts in the future.... hope I don't get bit by that.
Oh well... I have been doing my own wandering around in the last couple of weeks and have added a few sites on my own, but I am so far behind you folks that I just cannot take the time to comment on all those that I don't question.
Those that I do need some additional info about before "I" accept them I will comment on.
Zwingle: (1-15-12 2:32PM)
Mosinee, WI - Roundhouse leased by paper mill. Looks like two rectangular buildings got married with one at a slight angle to match the angle of a siding and not truely built as a roundhouse.
Steelville, MO... 1/4 scale... I don't know what I am looking for. The link is to a topographical map which has no reference to a RH or TT or a 1/4 scale RR. The linked photo is outstanding but gives no geographical coords.
Added to the U.S. list since my last posting (most are from Zwingle's post of 1-15-12 2:32PM):
Non-U.S.
Links to updated files:
Spreadsheet:
Non-U.S. PDF file:
U.S. PDF file:
Finally figured out how to link directly via historicaerials.com.
Tampa, FL - rh/tt 1969 - 27°57'0.30"N 82°25'32.34"W Hialeah, FL - FEC rh/tt 1940 - 25°48'39.46"N 80°18'27.69"W Bowden, FL (Jacksonville) FEC rh/tt <1980 - 30°14'23.82"N 81°36'3.98"W Wildwood, FL - SAL 5-stall/85'tt - 28°51'22.27"N 82° 2'48.39"W - footprint most easily seen via 1999 imagery. Miami, FL FEC rh/tt - 1986 footprint - 25°48'33.43"N 80°11'39.32"W Baldwin, FL - SAL 4-stall/85'tt <1982 - 30°17'37.37"N 81°58'46.88"W Hermitage, VA (Richmond) - SAL 16-stall/100'tt - 37°34'14.38"N 77°27'59.54"W Ft. Lauderdale, FL - GCRR rh/tt - earlier imagery needed. The following SAL facilities are listed here, but their precise locations are not yet visually verified. Fernandina, FL - 60'tt - earlier imagery needed - 30°39'59.79"N 81°27'53.87"W Americus, GA - 7-stall/85'tt - earlier imagery needed - 32° 4'21.85"N 84°14'32.22"W Hamlet, NC - 20-stall/100'tt - earlier imagery needed - 34°53'45.84"N 79°41'11.61"W Portsmouth, VA - 23-stall/68'tt (later 8-stall) - earlier imagery needed - 36°49'51.53"N 76°19'24.61"W Bainbridge, GA - 9-stall/65'tt - earlier imagery needed - 30°54'58.46"N 84°35'13.29"W Abbeville, SC - 8-stall/85'tt - earlier imagery needed - 34°10'26.54"N 82°23'35.92"W Norlina, NC - 85'tt - earlier imagery needed - 36°26'43.20"N 78°11'38.23"W Wilmington, NC - 85' tt - earlier imagery needed Andrews, NC - 4-stall/85'tt - earlier imagery needed Monroe, NC - 5-stall/100'tt - earlier imagery needed - 34°59'2.87"N 80°32'46.07"W Howells, GA - 19-stall/101'tt - earlier imagery needed
I looked at Bing Maps images as an alternative to Google Earth in areas where GE was fuzzy. I am now re-submitting an earlier entry that may have been passed over for fuzziness. In the Alpine Tunnel area of Colorado there were 2 turntables. One is already on the list under Pitkin. This was actually a replacement TT. The original TT&RH was by the depot.
http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9LH4#JnE9LjM4JTI1dTAwYjAzOCcyNSUyNTQwMjAxJTI1MjJOJTJiMTA2JTI1dTAwYjAyNCcyNyUyNTQwMjQxJTI1MjJXJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTU0LjEy
The TT pit outline shows up fairly clearly. You might also note the outline of the rectangular enginehouse that enclosed the TT and extended N-S along the old right-of-way. It was a set-up similar to Boreas Pass. The following coords are based on GE
CO, Alpine Pass (Pitkin) 38°38'25.01"N 106°24'27.41"W C&S TT&RH ruin
I would also lobby to call the location Alpine Tunnel for both TTs because Pitkin is miles away. Alpine Tunnel was a timetable station (I think at one time also had a US PO), and Bing can find alpine tunnel, co
PS Edit: Historical info on the TT/Enginehouse can be found at:
http://www.narrowgauge.org/alpine-tunnel/html/auto_tour.html
That is not the one I was remembering, as the one I remember seeing appeared to still be in use at the time the aerial photo was taken, but thanks, that at least it proves that there were such situations and it wasn't just a bad dream on my part!
For your coordinates, Google Earth, in an image from 1946 (wow!) it shows the actual "oval" roundhouse but the origin of the photo is not the same as the more recent images so the roundhouse is off to the west by about a half mile.
Glad to hear at least the computer thing is moving forward, and I understand the other aspect of your life, at least to a degree. It surely seems, "that the hurrier we go, the behinder we get".
I think you might like to check out these coordinates as they relate back to a comment you made about two turntables that overlapped. They are: 53 33.684N 9 56.031E
Yes, I know, the "E" gives a good hint as to where this might be.
Enjoy,
TRAINMASTER - DPRNRRColorado
Memory on order, maybe get here by the end of the week. I also upped the amount of virtual memory to see if that might help, but I have been too busy with general life to get deep into this backlog of work to try it. I figure I have a couple dozen hours of work to add what has been offered since my last update.
I may not be posting as extensively as I have in the past, repeating the offered sites that are added without question. I will still post about those that I question.
If anyone is building their own lists from the info in this thread and are for some reason unable to access the files I have available on-line, then they should contact me, (use the Private Message system on this site), maybe I can send them the info in some other format that they can use.
I hope all of you got a chance to check out to Ridgway, CO Rh & Tt site (the original one) it was a pleasant surprise to see such a clear pic on Bing. Too, the "armstrong" turntable I mentioned before was the one in Ouray, CO, a few miles south of Ridgway. But, I have yet to find a good enough pic to pinpoint the exact site. I know where it is to within 40ft. or so but I'd like to be more accurate. While in CO I want to add the old C&S Rh&Tt to the list. The historicaerials.com website pinpointed it for me at: 39.74922N 105.01388W (from a 1991 aerial).
Going back to my old stomping grounds in NH, I used them also to mark where the Rh/Tt sites were in the following:
Plymouth, NH - Rh & Tt - 43 45.125N 71 41.145W (1956 pic)
Concord, NH - Rh & Tt - 43 12.175N 71 31.949W (1951 pic) Note - the other Tt listed for Concord is in the former B&M freight yard and was/is a standalone.
Manchester, NH - Rh & Tt - 42 58.936N 71 27.930W (1947 pic) Note - This was a 1/2 circle Rh and was demolished c. 1955 when both it and the Manchester Passenger station complex was demolished for an urban renewal project.
Zwingle -- a note on the "roundhouse" in Flora, IL It wasn't round according to the picture from historicaerials.com but it was rectangular. That was definetely out of the ordinary for B&O.
Semper Vaporo - how is the project on the laptop going? Don't forget the memory! What? Did I just say that?
Can be seen using either historicaerials.com or Google Earth Historic Imagery. Memphis, TN - 35° 6'54.18"N 89°58'44.09"W - roundhouse/turntable <1971 - 35° 5'35.74"N 89°59'3.21"W - rh/tt 1958 - 35° 7'16.52"N 90° 0'53.69"W - rh/track fan <1971 - 35° 7'17.16"N 90° 3'28.71"W - rh/tt <1971 Venice, IL - 38°39'42.40"N 90°10'25.58"W - rh/tt <1988 (The Venice on the current list needs to be changed to Brooklyn, IL) Sauget, IL - 38°35'50.25"N 90°10'55.13"W - rh/tt <1971 Centralia, IL - 38°32'36.96"N 89° 8'8.47"W - rh/tt <1958 (One Centralia on the current list is redundant.) Benton, IL - 37°59'29.83"N 88°55'47.03"W - two-stall/tt 1938 Harrisburg, IL - 37°45'9.12"N 88°31'43.42"W - rh/tt <1993 The March issue of Trains reveals the following B&O facilities: Flora, IL - 38°40'1.73"N 88°29'26.95"W - "square house"/tt <1990 Chillicothe, OH - 39°20'0.02"N 82°58'6.72"W - rh/tt <1994 Holloway, OH - 40° 9'22.84"N 81° 7'2.56"W - rh/tt - <1975 Benwood Junction, WV - 39°59'45.93"N 80°44'1.58"W - rh/tt <1994 Parkersburg, WV - 39°15'41.93"N 81°33'1.84"W - rh/tt <1990 Keyser, WV - 39°26'38.88"N 78°58'59.76"W - rh/tt <1970 DuBois, PA - 41° 7'39.42"N 78°46'3.22"W - rh/tt <2006 Punxsutawney, PA - 40°56'42.54"N 78°56'29.38"W - rh/tt <1994
Semper Vaporo I am not sure just how much RAM I can stick in my PC, both cost wise and physically. That is awaiting my next annuity check to see what/IF I can buy something. I have been trying "Ready Boost" with USB memory sticks but I have not seen any improvement in the present problem.
I am not sure just how much RAM I can stick in my PC, both cost wise and physically. That is awaiting my next annuity check to see what/IF I can buy something. I have been trying "Ready Boost" with USB memory sticks but I have not seen any improvement in the present problem.
I use http://www.crucial.com/ for my memory upgrades... their system scanner can recommend the right memory for you're computer if you're not sure.
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