Oh yea, am I in a modelers club? I wasn't aware. No. I am in a historical society? No. I dont know why you are being such a jerk about this. I never said it was set in stone, I merely said this is what I had heard about the PRE-isolated cab SD70ACe and M-2's.
Well here you go investigator Ed, this is where I got it from: http://railroadfan.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19921&p=166450#p166450
Uphogger, I'm trying but...
Ok,
We can start at the bottom and work our way up....
Lets see, another "railfan forum" is your credible source?
That's like claiming your are in prison because you were framed, and your proof being all the other prison inmates say they were framed too!
How about a technical bulletin, or a general order from BNSF, maybe a general notice, something actually issued by the railroad you mentioned, instead of a rumor running on another forum.
No, not investigator Ed, it was CSI Blysard...Child Support Investigator, Office of the Attorney General, State of Texas.
I left there to go railroading.
No, you didn't say it was set in stone, you said it was a black eye for EMD, but you are saying this with no creditable proof, and zero real life experience using the machine in question, yet you imply or present it as if it was a established fact.
The legal folks at EMD may take issue with the way you present this and the title of your post.
"Jerkoff"....hummm, I was expecting much better of you, but then , considering your age and such, well, we will just let your words speak for themselves and for you and you attitude.
http://www.missabe.com/cms/, your not the Max Medlin mentioned here?
Ok, if that's not you, fine, my bad...but you do call yourself a conductor, so with what railroad?
My reason for asking is simple.
Just because I used to be in the auto parts industry, (I owned two parts house franchises) and my friends and I own a lot of really fast cars, I don't go around calling myself a NASCAR driver or even a race car driver.
Neither do my friends.
In that context, although I have "heard" that the new Aston Martin DB9 handles badly, because I have never driven a DB9, I will never repeat that statement without that qualification, nor would I present it as an established fact, as you seem to do by implying the SD70ACEs are "rattle traps".
If you haven't ridden in one, how do you know?
(truth be told, I would love the chance to see if the DB9 runs as well as the Vantage V12 Aston produces, I have driven that, it's a rocket with wheels on it).
I have run locomotives, but would never ever call myself an engineer till I have my Federal license in my pocket.
All I ever comment on in that respect is what the engineers I work with tell me, and I make it clear in my posting that the information is second hand, but I also state the source, and establish their statements as an their opinion, not as a "fact"
My problem is that because you present yourself as a conductor/ railroad employee, some of the younger, easily impressed forum members might read some of your broad, ill informed and misleading postings and statement as truth and fact, then in turn either repeat that information as if it were "fact" (having heard it from a "real" railroader), or worse, act upon some of the more ill informed statements and information from your other postings and go out and do something dangerous, possibly injuring themselves or worse.
That would be a sad thing indeed.
Personally, I don't care if you call yourself the Jolly Green Giant, Peter Pan, Captain Hook or Tinkerbelle for that matter, but here, if you are going to present yourself as a conductor, it would go a long way towards establishing your position and creditably if you offered up your "bona fides" so to speak.
My bona fides are...
Current...
Switch Engine Foreman/Switchman
Port Terminal Railroad Association,
North Yard, 7900 Clinton Drive,
Houston Texas.
13+ years service.
Previous.
CSI, Office of the Attorney General, State of Texas.
Promoted to,
Special Projects Investigator, Child Support Enforcement Division,
Office of the Attorney General, State of Texas.
Previous.
Franchise owner operator,
Chief Auto Parts, a Division of Southland Corp,
Seagoville, Dallas Texas.
I liquidated both my stores when Southland sold its retail operations to a Japanese investment firm.
I noticed you have yet to answer the question on how many SD70ACEs, you have ridden, nor have you answered what railroad you work for.
Why?
If your not a railroad employee, but are a employee/member of a historical society, that's cool, I am a member of the NHRS, ride every trip I get the chance to.
Museums and historical societies need enthusiastic, eager people like you to preserve our railroads artifacts, equipment and the history behind all of this industry.
That history and Americas history are intertwined, railroads are a big part of the reason people moved west of the Mississippi.
Zug, I realized you were right on about the anglecock, I remember having to just about shove my face into the toilet drain to reach it, and the valve on one unit was mounted on the train line facing in towards the frame, not facing towards the outside, really hard and uncomfortable/awkward to use.
And all three locomotives had their inner doors open, one had it propped open with the broom, the lead unit would shut, but leaked air.
We used the rear unit on the way back in, it stunk like the toilet, the icebox was just that, a box you had to ice instead of a refrigeration unit, and the general up keep on all three was bad, almost as if they were on a bare bone maintenance schedule, just enough to keep them FRA compliant.
Looking back, I get the feeling they were not going to be put up for resale when they were retired, but would head either straight to scrap or be used as trade in.
Overall, not a "bad" locomotive, but not a "good" locomotive either, surely not the quality EMD usually puts out.
Bucyrus,
Its almost like a transient project, a stop gap between what they had designed and wanted to produce and what they could manage to produce at that time.
Coborn, any time you preface a post with "I heard" you reduce the content of the thread to the level of a high school bathroom rumor...along the lines of "I heard Suzie got pregnant" or "I heard Frank was cheating on his algebra test"... or "I heard BNSF wouldn't allow SD70ACEs to run as lead"...
If you want to make a post that is taken seriously, try doing the research, establish a credible source, (read that as not another railroad forum) then quote or link to that source(s).
Then present your finding as an opinion, to gather other forum members opinions and their sources, engage them in civil debate, read and comment on their findings..
That's how you establish a credible, informed and entertaining discussion.
The "I heard" is simply rumor mongering...
Of course, that's assuming you are not simply posting because you enjoy spreading hearsay and rumors.