The thing that gets me is why BNSF has issued such a order and to my limited knowledge none of the other Class I's have. Normally all the Class I's follow each others lead very closely.
BNSF_Conductor11 I work for BNSF and this is an actual general order that was recently released.
I work for BNSF and this is an actual general order that was recently released.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Can you post a copy of the entire order?
Would be great if you could.
23 17 46 11
edblysard Three, they came in on a ferterlizer train for Mosaic....they load up and kick pretty good, but stop like a garbage truck...I like the 70M better, it kicks great and stops great. We took the train out to Mosaic and spotted the plant with them, my engineer did not like how they shoved against a minimum brake set, he said he could not tell when the slack was all bunched in, and they didnt seem to set their independent brakes up as a trio, but each one by itself instead. We took them back to north yard and stayed on them to finish our switching...they ride ok, but overall just dont seem to be the quality I expect from EMD. So, Coborn, how many? And besides the modelers club, / Historical group, what railroad do you work for? Is it a Class 1, Class 2 or a Class 3? And lastly, where did you get your information? Was it a safety bulletin, general order, terminal order, what? Because I have never known any Class 1 to give a hoot in a holler about the cormfort or ride quality for road crews...as long as the toiliet flushes, the heater sorta works and the lights all come on they could care less how it rides. coborn35: edblysard: And you got this information from what reliable source? How many SD70ACEs have you ridden in? How many have you ridden in Ed?
Three, they came in on a ferterlizer train for Mosaic....they load up and kick pretty good, but stop like a garbage truck...I like the 70M better, it kicks great and stops great.
We took the train out to Mosaic and spotted the plant with them, my engineer did not like how they shoved against a minimum brake set, he said he could not tell when the slack was all bunched in, and they didnt seem to set their independent brakes up as a trio, but each one by itself instead.
We took them back to north yard and stayed on them to finish our switching...they ride ok, but overall just dont seem to be the quality I expect from EMD.
So, Coborn, how many?
And besides the modelers club, / Historical group, what railroad do you work for?
Is it a Class 1, Class 2 or a Class 3?
And lastly, where did you get your information?
Was it a safety bulletin, general order, terminal order, what?
Because I have never known any Class 1 to give a hoot in a holler about the cormfort or ride quality for road crews...as long as the toiliet flushes, the heater sorta works and the lights all come on they could care less how it rides.
coborn35: edblysard: And you got this information from what reliable source? How many SD70ACEs have you ridden in? How many have you ridden in Ed?
edblysard: And you got this information from what reliable source? How many SD70ACEs have you ridden in?
And you got this information from what reliable source?
How many SD70ACEs have you ridden in?
How many have you ridden in Ed?
Yeah I know that Tyler... posted that to confirm (for lack of a better word) as a current example, that CN's still running them.
Dan
CNW 6000 CN 8005 and 8018 (SD70M-2) have both been spotted leading in the last week...on CN.
CN 8005 and 8018 (SD70M-2) have both been spotted leading in the last week...on CN.
As stated, this restriction doesn't apply ON CN. This restriction applies on BNSF to the early batches of SD70ACe/M-2. CN 8800-8849 are also non-isolated cabs but don't have nearly the same noise and vibration issues of the 8000's.
x 3 !
zugmann We have Rubbermaid coolers for ice and water. I like them because they can't really break like a refrigerator can. And you can easily clean them out when needed, letting them dry out in the sun.
We have Rubbermaid coolers for ice and water. I like them because they can't really break like a refrigerator can. And you can easily clean them out when needed, letting them dry out in the sun.
I've seen them on some engines that have been on run-thru trains. I've also wondered if all of them that come out get back home. I've even seen some just like them in the crew lounges at a couple of our away from home motels.
I'm not sure, but I think the beverages found in the motel coolers may not be the same kind that Zug would find on the engine.
Jeff
EJE818 They are ok to lead on NS, CSX, UP, etc. The only railroad with the ban on the pre-iso cab ACes leading is BNSF. The rest of the class one railroads are unaffected.
They are ok to lead on NS, CSX, UP, etc. The only railroad with the ban on the pre-iso cab ACes leading is BNSF. The rest of the class one railroads are unaffected.
Mr. Railman it's funny. I looked on youtube "EMD to the Rescue" and got a surplus of results. then I looked up "GE locomotive to the rescue" and I didn't get many results. So I think there will be a lot more GE locos going haywire and EMD comming to the rescue.
it's funny. I looked on youtube "EMD to the Rescue" and got a surplus of results. then I looked up "GE locomotive to the rescue" and I didn't get many results. So I think there will be a lot more GE locos going haywire and EMD comming to the rescue.
I've had plenty of EMDs crap out on me. Railfans just seem to prefer EMD over GE for some reason, so that skews the videos...
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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Randy Stahl oltmannd: OK. You can trade in your SD70M-2 for a vintage B23-7, with the toilet compartment vent right in front of the horn. Chem toilet with no forced ventilation. Rusted out cab walls. Small windows. Tiny, narrow cab doors that need to be slammed shut (and still leak air and noise. 85dB in run 8 interior noise (if you keep the windows shut). Two forced air heaters w/o ducting - that have "hi" and "low" setting (and maybe sidewall strip heaters, if you are lucky". An a control stand so junked up with rattling, bent up, "add on" boxes that make you have to stand up to see the conductor ('cause you'll never hear his snoring....) And a carbody guaranteed to get you completely filthy if you try the engineer's side rear walkway past the radiator cab. Did I miss anything? Running a fleet of B-23s in Maine........
oltmannd: OK. You can trade in your SD70M-2 for a vintage B23-7, with the toilet compartment vent right in front of the horn. Chem toilet with no forced ventilation. Rusted out cab walls. Small windows. Tiny, narrow cab doors that need to be slammed shut (and still leak air and noise. 85dB in run 8 interior noise (if you keep the windows shut). Two forced air heaters w/o ducting - that have "hi" and "low" setting (and maybe sidewall strip heaters, if you are lucky". An a control stand so junked up with rattling, bent up, "add on" boxes that make you have to stand up to see the conductor ('cause you'll never hear his snoring....) And a carbody guaranteed to get you completely filthy if you try the engineer's side rear walkway past the radiator cab. Did I miss anything?
OK.
You can trade in your SD70M-2 for a vintage B23-7, with the toilet compartment vent right in front of the horn. Chem toilet with no forced ventilation. Rusted out cab walls. Small windows. Tiny, narrow cab doors that need to be slammed shut (and still leak air and noise. 85dB in run 8 interior noise (if you keep the windows shut). Two forced air heaters w/o ducting - that have "hi" and "low" setting (and maybe sidewall strip heaters, if you are lucky". An a control stand so junked up with rattling, bent up, "add on" boxes that make you have to stand up to see the conductor ('cause you'll never hear his snoring....) And a carbody guaranteed to get you completely filthy if you try the engineer's side rear walkway past the radiator cab.
Did I miss anything?
Running a fleet of B-23s in Maine........
On purpose?
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trainboyH16-44 Well, that locomotive was involved in a bad accident, so that cab may have been installed by them purely for that reason...
Well, that locomotive was involved in a bad accident, so that cab may have been installed by them purely for that reason...
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And here we go with the wide angle lens jokes....
I take some of you Geeps Zug....love 'em, they work, and work, then work some more, even broken they try.
Got to use a SD9 once...that's a smooth ride and a neat locomotive.
Asked a BN crew today about the notice, they had no clue, it had not been discussed with them by officials and they don't know a thing, the conductor said he would look it up this evening and print it off, stash the copy in his bag for me next time he come over here.
Randy Stahl And Ed .. I'm still railroading for a living, still wishing I had gotten into adult filmaking...
And Ed .. I'm still railroading for a living, still wishing I had gotten into adult filmaking...
C'mon now - we have the greatest job in the world!
oltmannd OK. You can trade in your SD70M-2 for a vintage B23-7, with the toilet compartment vent right in front of the horn. Chem toilet with no forced ventilation. Rusted out cab walls. Small windows. Tiny, narrow cab doors that need to be slammed shut (and still leak air and noise. 85dB in run 8 interior noise (if you keep the windows shut). Two forced air heaters w/o ducting - that have "hi" and "low" setting (and maybe sidewall strip heaters, if you are lucky". An a control stand so junked up with rattling, bent up, "add on" boxes that make you have to stand up to see the conductor ('cause you'll never hear his snoring....) And a carbody guaranteed to get you completely filthy if you try the engineer's side rear walkway past the radiator cab. Did I miss anything?
I'll take an E60 if you have a spare.
I know I'm spoiled. Then again, all the cool stuff was sold off before I hired out. I don't mind my 4 axle geeps, but they're just too comfortable and reliable.
zugmann Oh man, the 60Is. I loved those! Go through a 40mph crossover and you ended up on the other side of the cab. Yee-haw! Great fun!
Oh man, the 60Is. I loved those! Go through a 40mph crossover and you ended up on the other side of the cab. Yee-haw! Great fun!
You should have tried an E60 sometime. They'd do that to you on a straight route through an interlocking!
(zugmann, you are spoiled!)
None of the iso-cab SD70ACes are on the list, either.
This can't be solely an isolated cab issue.... None of the original isolated cab units, the ex-Conrail SD60Is or SD80MACs are on the list.
I never liked those UP brown seats. Maybe I only ever got worn out ones. The best seats I ever got were on a CSX gevo. The old Conrail brown seats weren't bad either - but they are rare anymore.
Last trip out I had a GE that under power had everything in the cab rattling, squeeking, or vibrating. Once you got up to speed or otherwise had to notch down, everything would get nice and quiet.
Sam, that heritage unit, were the seats brown or black? The brown ones, first started getting those on the SD70m units, are the nicer ones IMO. Trouble is now that the SD70m units are starting to age, if the seat needs replacing they use one of those black ones. (Of course those black ones (to me) are better than those little ones I see from time to time on CSX units.)
A year or two back some of them new Ferromex engines were roaming around. I had a chance to look over a couple. They really had the good seats and actual refrigerators. The new power we get now just have those metal ice boxes. (I hate those. Just like many things, those that don't use something have the biggest say in how it's made. The ice tray, not really a tray as it's nonremovable, is at the top. The opening isn't real big, making it unhandy to empty bags of ice into it. Also hard to pull out bottles or cans buried in the ice, at least when you've got big mits like me. The drain becomes plugged letting the melt water run all over the floor in front of it. The things were originally used on the SD70m units and were under the conductors desk area. They started using them to replace defective refrigerators, that many times were behind the conductor. Trouble is behind the condr, the door when open makes it hard to get into the the thing. We used to have ice buckets with styrofoam inserts. They worked better but have been deemed a "tripping hazard" so they're gone now.) It's been a while but they also may have had microwaves on them.
Ed, I think your Christmas hams are on the way. My train the other day had a car of meat (and some other cars, too) going to the PTRA.
Well,
Looking back I could have worded it better, I was asking for a reliable source because I had read a similar post on another forum about SD60s that was, well, simply a made up rumor and I wanted to get a copy if it was a GN or GO from BNSF, lots of BN crews come in here and I was interested, could have grabbed it from them.
The question about how many was a straight forward one, just being nosey.
In a hurry and didn't really think it was offensive or provocative and it grew from there.
Should take my own advice and proof read for context and content, yeah?
Haven't been all right since they fired Bum Phillips!
Convicted One edblysard: Just a self depreciating joke that apparently was not very funny! Well, you have always impressed me as a voice of reason, even talking me back to sanity a time or two when others found their way under my skin, so this thread is somewhat of a surprise. Just my two cents but your original reply to Coburn appeared like you were trying to.....well, ... scold him for not being... cut from the right cloth. Not that any of it is really my business, it's just a shock coming from you...hope you're alright, etc.
edblysard: Just a self depreciating joke that apparently was not very funny!
Just a self depreciating joke that apparently was not very funny!
Well, you have always impressed me as a voice of reason, even talking me back to sanity a time or two when others found their way under my skin, so this thread is somewhat of a surprise.
Just my two cents but your original reply to Coburn appeared like you were trying to.....well, ... scold him for not being... cut from the right cloth. Not that any of it is really my business, it's just a shock coming from you...hope you're alright, etc.
Bucyrus Can anyone explain why a cab that was designed to be extra quiet ends up being extra noisy? Has isolating the cab on rubber mounts to stop the transmission of high frequency sound vibrations made the cab more likely to resonate to low frequency vibrations?
Can anyone explain why a cab that was designed to be extra quiet ends up being extra noisy? Has isolating the cab on rubber mounts to stop the transmission of high frequency sound vibrations made the cab more likely to resonate to low frequency vibrations?
I hear you there. My first truck I drove for a Living even though I am a Youngster at 35 was for a guy that loved Antiques I swear. I had the Pleasure of for 3 years driving a Transtart 1 with the Hendrickson Rubber Blocked Suspension. When I quit there to go OTR and got an Air ride suspension even though my cab was still Bolted to the Frame I thought I was in HEAVEN. Then I got that Uniblit Pete and really thought I was there. Then I got the Century class Freightliner and was in Nirvana. The Exhast issues in OTR could be fixed and was just fixed real easy the FMCSA has determined that all trucks must have a WORKING Muffler on them the Turbo will no be considered as one Any longer. So the Era of Straight Pipes is DONE.
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