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Posted by Juniatha on Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:35 PM

Walked the boulevard with a friend the other night , passed by a movie theatre , saw Woody Allen advertised :  "To Rome with love" - just about to start , spontaneously we went to see it . 

trailer  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIbYqxqtP38

It was a nice film , all in all I really enjoyed it .   Yet it's Woody Allen as we know him since the days of "Annie Hall" - I mean , if you wanted to be cynical about it you could say it's the same party all over - with variations , true - just set up in different cities .   Ok , the plots are different - to an extent - however I noticed it in "Paris at Midnight" ( which besides that I loved ) and it was more noticeable in "Rome .." :  they are basically all New Yorkers tansplanted to various other cities , spiced with a slight patina of typical peculiarities one usually associates with inhabitants of that very city - yet pretty platitude , pretty tourist-like notations , I have to say .   Below that touch , basically the characters act like New Yorkers , also they stammer and nod and shake heads as Woody does and Woody asks his actors to do - no matter if in New York , London , Paris or Rome .   In "Rome .." certainly they don't gesticulate as Romans do , they make a few gestures as Woody Allen thinks Romans do .   All-in-all there are his typical ways of making dialogues sound more natural , yet he has recycled his tricks until they have become a Woody Allen trade mark and are assorted more to his directing than with natural behavior . 

Yet , again :  it was a nice film and provided - also typical of Woody Allen's city films - some great , in cases even fantastic , views of the city .   In fact Rome should pay him a dividend for advertising .

Have to stop here , must check for flights to Rome ...

Juniatha

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Wonder what it will be in Berlin , Warsawa , Moskwa , Tokyo , San Francisco - to complete the world tour .

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Posted by Victrola1 on Friday, September 21, 2012 9:14 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwUO4HGpkqE&feature=related

Leave the big city in style. The overdone style no longer done on celluloid.

A brass band is on hand. Red caps prance down the grand stair case. Local beauty queens atop baggage carts sing of their destination's hopeful future. A herd of questioning reporters pester. A song is crooned to tile stars in the concourse ceiling.

From the back platform of the only rail convenience sufficiently grand, the hero sings to the platform's multitude.  He's Goin' Hollywood.

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Posted by Juniatha on Friday, September 21, 2012 9:32 AM

Nice link !   Women's fashion had a certain specific elegance - some of it , some was impossible .  Men's fashion was surprisingly close to what it since has been , at least in more formal business circles , while spare time clearly offers more scope for individual and casual clothing .

Whenever I see 1930s RR scenes I get a feeling there were steam locomotives to be seen - if only the camera would have made a turn ..

Was that Grand Central Terminal ?

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Posted by Victrola1 on Friday, September 21, 2012 9:55 AM

Bing is singing his goodbye from the 20th Century Limited. Grand Central Station, but no steam until you get a few miles out of town.

Stock footage along the Hudson River of steam pulling passengers can be seen after the Grand Central grand number.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, September 21, 2012 6:47 PM

Juniatha

Nice link !   Women's fashion had a certain specific elegance - some of it , some was impossible .  Men's fashion was surprisingly close to what it since has been , at least in more formal business circles , while spare time clearly offers more scope for individual and casual clothing .

Whenever I see 1930s RR scenes I get a feeling there were steam locomotives to be seen - if only the camera would have made a turn ..

Was that Grand Central Terminal ?

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Hi Juniatha!  No, that wasn't Grand Central Terminal but the Hollywood set designers did one hell of a job re-creating it.  I've been there (GCT) and I know.

And I have to agree, in my humble opinion the women's fashions from 1930 to 1936 or so were some of the most elegant ever created, well, in the movies at least.  The mens suits looked pretty good too, but them around 1940 or so something happened to mens suits that made them all look they had big butts!  Watch enough old movies like I do and you'll see what I mean!

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Posted by Juniatha on Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:53 PM

>> .. something happened to mens suits that made them all look they had big butts! <<

Never mind ; Firelock , it's but the same as happened to cars body shapes a decade later - *gg*

In the 1980s women's fashion indulged in preposterous buffed fake 'broad shoulders' , see some of Barbara Carrera's costumes as Fatima Blush - designed to impersonate the archetypical 'fatal woman' , see :

http://www.celebritiesfans.com/pictures/barbara_carrera_2.jpg

(ther'e other pictures I'm sure you might like too or even better - I leave it to you to check them out)

Yet in 'Never say never again' inevitably of course she took one - fatal - exception for Bond , sure enough giving him that very chance she had so far never given to any other opponent - well , shaken , not stirred by James' alluring good-old British charms 'on the rocks , of course ...

As concerns that fake shoulders fashion craze however , it was also duplicated in cars bodies - this time by the extreme widening of fenders in rallye cars in the era when Michelle Mouton drove an Audi Quattro S1 , a groupe B monster of 476 blown hp and four wheel drive which at the end of her rallye racing career she drove to overall victory in the 1985 Pikes peak competition , see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKKfzR7dX-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NnmkeyraRc

 

Enjoy the need for speed !

Juniatha


edit :  ( activated links )

extra : 1971 Hemi Barracuda on 2008 vintage car race to the clouds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImCeB4F11NM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NExAKxXl2Nk&feature=relmfu

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:13 PM

don't blame the suit..blame the diet  and too much sitting for that big caboose...

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:58 PM

Hi Juniatha!  Oh, where to begin?  That photo of Barbara Carrera?  Oh yeah, the "Dynasty" look.  I remember it well, although I never watched that prime-time soap opera. 

That Pikes Peak race?  Those people are NUTS!  One false move and you're over the side, tearing a path through the aspens and terrifying the marmots, elk, and bighorn sheep!  You know, I've been to Pikes Peak twice, rode the cog railroad up to the summit.  The first time we left in clear sky, 75 degree weather, and arrived at the summit in a blizzard!  Couldn't see a thing, but the coffee and doughnuts at the mountain house were great!  The next trip, no problems.  "Oh beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain..."  Didn't know I could sing, did you?

Oh, that '71 'Cuda?  My God, I was a senior in high school when that car was new, it's aged better than I have!  

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 19, 2012 8:10 AM

I saw this in today's "Christian Scien Monitor":

"2014 Corvette so different, GM will shut down plant to retool"

"2014 Corvette will carry over only two parts from the current model. So GM's Bowling Green, Ky., plant will have to close for six months to get ready to build 2014 Corvette."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1019/2014-Corvette-so-different-GM-will-shut-down-plant-to-retool

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, October 19, 2012 8:56 PM

Murray

I saw this in today's "Christian Scien Monitor":

"2014 Corvette so different, GM will shut down plant to retool"

"2014 Corvette will carry over only two parts from the current model. So GM's Bowling Green, Ky., plant will have to close for six months to get ready to build 2014 Corvette."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1019/2014-Corvette-so-different-GM-will-shut-down-plant-to-retool

Murray...I believe I remember reading the next version of Corvette will have a smaller displacement engine, but put out more HP.

The Corvette name continues on to be still....a good conversation piece, and an interesting subject....Look at my Avatar, and see one of the earlier ones....'57 to be exact....Jean's and my first trip to Florida...in it.  1959.

Item:  53 years after I traded that car... in a far around about way {just recently}....a fellow from N Y State contacted me in reference to the fact he had a Corvette wheel cover he had used on the restoration on his 1956 Corvette, and on the inside edge of one of the Corvette wheel covers...was my name and phone number.....We went back and forth, and I was able to confirm...yes, that wheel cover WAS off my 1957 Corvette that I traded decades and decades ago....I now have photos of said wheel cover and the restored Corvette he attached it to.

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Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:57 PM

Railway loses judiciary as its courts are transferred

By Du Liya (Global Times)

11:08, October 31, 2012

The Ministry of Railways has lost some of its extraordinary powers now that its independent courts have been completely transferred to the local judicial system, marking the completion of the transition to civilian rule of railway's police, courts and prosecutor's offices.

First established in 1954, the railway's 58 intermediate and 17 lower courts had the right to handle economic disputes and cases relating to crimes committed on railway property.............

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90882/7998732.html


The article does not say anything about Chinese Railroad judges in the style of classic American frontier judges. Maybe there were none. What if a latter day Judge Roy Bean ruled on the right of way?

http://www.texasescapes.com/They-Shoe-Horses-Dont-They/Ten-Things-You-Should-Know-about-Judge-Roy-Bean.htm

You don't like the verdict. Appeal it to the undocumented passengers in 15th box car back.

If you were the only law between the right of way fences, what rulings would you issue?



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Posted by Lyon_Wonder on Friday, November 16, 2012 4:17 PM

Hostess is now officially the ROCK ISLAND of junk food snack companies.

So if anyone wants Twinkies they better buy them now since Hostess is getting liquidated.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-hostess-brands-seeks-court-permission-to-liquidate-20121116,0,3175964.story

Hostess Brands on Friday received a court order for an expedited hearing on its request to
liquidate.

The hearing on liquidation request is scheduled for 2 p.m. Eastern time Nov. 19, in bankruptcy court in White Plains, N.Y.

The bankrupt maker of Twinkies and Wonder Bread, said it had sought court permission to go out of business after failing to get wage and benefit cuts from thousands of its striking bakery workers.

Hostess, which has about $2.5 billion in sales from a long list of iconic consumer brands of snack cakes and breads said it had suspended operations at all of its 33 plants around the United States as it moves to start liquidating assets.

"We'll be selling the brands and as much of the infrastructure as we can," said company spokesman Lance Ignon. "There is value in the brands."

Hostess said a strike by members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union that began last week had crippled its ability to produce and deliver products at several facilities, and it had no choice but to give up its effort to emerge intact from bankruptcy court.

The Irving, Texas-based company said the liquidation would mean that most of its 18,500 employees would lose their jobs.

In the Chicago area, Hostess employs about 300 workers making CupCakes, HoHos and Honey Buns in Schiller Park. Hostess also has a bakery in Hodgkins, where 325 workers make Beefsteak, Butternut, Home Pride, Nature’s Pride and Wonder breads.

Hostess spokesman Tom Becker confirmed that Hostess plants have closed, and the local factories in Hodgkins and Schiller Park ran their last production Friday morning. The company also has a plant in Peoria.

Calls to the Hodgkins and Schiller Park plants were not answered.

"I don't think it's a stretch to say there's a lot of sadness today," Becker said, adding that "18,500 people had jobs yesterday and knew they weren't going to have jobs anymore when they woke up today," referring to Hostess' total employee base.

"It's an extremely difficult decision for the company to have to make to shut down but unfortunately without the full involvement of its employees at the bakery, the company was unable to continue."

A statement on the Hostess Brands website begins with "Hostess Brands is closed."

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, November 16, 2012 9:17 PM

Sad  Surely, some company will purchase the "rights" to manufacture "Twinkies", after this situation settles down...That product surely has value.

I haven't had one in years, but since I've been made aware of them now....I certainly will look and see if I can find some before they are completely not available.  Had completely forgot all about them.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:30 AM

There's plenty of blame to go around in the "Hostess" collapse, but in my opinion this is just another symptom of a larger disease.  There's too many companys being run by MBA  "Whiz Kids"  who may have a headfull of business theories, and who understand dollars and cents, but have NO understanding of the business they're trying to run.  From what I've read "Hostess" is/was owned by a hedge fund who parachuted their own people in to run it who had no experience in the bakery business.

In the old days if you were a management prospect you started at the bottom of the management rung and weren't promoted until those above you knew your skills and knew that you understood the business. That doesn't seem to be true anymore.  Was the old system foolproof?  No, but most of the time it worked.

By the way, you know that comic strip "Dilbert" by Scott Adams?  The reason it's so funny is because it's so true. 

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Posted by John WR on Saturday, November 17, 2012 3:43 PM

But Firelock, that is what our system of free enterprise is all about.  If a person knows how to manipulate financial markets he can get control of all sorts of things whether he knows anything about the business or not.  No where is this made more clear than in the history of American railroads after the Civil War.  

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 17, 2012 4:11 PM

So if you could roll the clock back three weeks, is there anything that could have been done differently to avoid the demise of the Hostess company and the loss of all those jobs?

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:18 PM

Bucyrus

So if you could roll the clock back three weeks, is there anything that could have been done differently to avoid the demise of the Hostess company and the loss of all those jobs?

Eat more twinkies?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:38 PM

Rolling back the clock three weeks wouldn't have done any good.  Serious questions should have been asked at the first bankruptcy in 2004.  What are we doing wrong?  If we're losing market share, why?  Are there underperforming articles in the product line that should be dropped?  Should some plants in expensive areas of the country to do business be closed in favor of plants in areas with a more favorable business climate?  Who are we aiming the product line at?  Should that be changed?  And so on and so forth.

Look, I don't claim to be a marketing genius nor do I claim to have a genius for making money, if I did I'd be working at a different job than I've got now.  But the questions I posted above are all common sense questions that someone should have asked a long time ago.  Unless of course the hedge fund that owns Hostess wanted to run the company into the ground and sell off the assets and brand names anyway, make a quick profit and run.  Who knows?  Nothing would surprise me anymore.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:51 PM

I am not suggesting that three more weeks of the status quo would have turned it around.  I am just asking if it were possible to do it over, is there any descision by anybody that could have saved the day? 

Could the unions have decided the fate of the company within the last days by taking concessions whereby the company would have decided to continue? 

It does not seem like companies can be blamed for going out of business.  They are what they are, and there is no guarantee that the will be run by brilliant business people who will keep them prosperous.  Businesses have a right to fail. 

I guess what it boils down to is this question: 

Do the people who lost their job feel that it was a better outcome than making more concessions?      

 

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:56 PM

The reaction on the general public's part to Hostess quiting is amazing.  I expect, as evidently does Hostess management that the brands will be picked up by other companies.  Maybe for a while there won't be Twinkies, Cup Cakes etc, but I bet the brand will be back.

In the meantime, there are other snack food companies that make clones of the same products.  Maybe the names aren't the same, but the products are.

I've noticed a few references to this being similar to the Rock Island's demise.  I bet the outcome will be similar.  After liquidating and paying off it's bills, the RI estate still had something like 400 million dollars in cash and assests left.  Maybe Hostess management figured they would be better off to shut down the company and sell it off.

After all, sugar and fat are the new tobacco.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:20 PM

The biggest reaction seems to be a worry about the possible loss of twinkies.  I agree that losing the product will not occur.  The real loss was the 1800 jobs. 

Did those people give up their jobs thinking it better to leave than to work for less? 

Or did it backfire on them because they did not realize they were driving too hard of a bargain? 

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:27 PM

Bucyrus

The biggest reaction seems to be a worry about the possible loss of twinkies.  I agree that losing the product will not occur.  The real loss was the 1800 jobs. 

Did those people give up their jobs thinking it better to leave than to work for less? 

Or did it backfire on them because they did not realize they were driving too hard of a bargain? 

Or was there writing on the wall that the company was going to shut down no matter what? 

This just shifts the blame from the managers/owners to the employees.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:31 PM

If it meant saving their jobs the bakers union should have made the concessions, even if it hurt.  The Teamsters striking Hostess made the concessions, and the Teamsters are no strangers to playing hardball with management.  At any rate, the bakers aren't the first union members to strike themselves out of a job.  Anyone remember the "World-Journal-Tribune" newspaper in New York?  It died as a result of a pressmens strike back in the mid-Sixties.  The plain fact of the matter is in the sour economy  we've got now a crummy job is still better than no job at all.

It's sad.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:36 PM

Firelock76

If it meant saving their jobs the bakers union should have made the concessions, even if it hurt.  The Teamsters striking Hostess made the concessions, and the Teamsters are no strangers to playing hardball with management.  At any rate, the bakers aren't the first union members to strike themselves out of a job.  Anyone remember the "World-Journal-Tribune" newspaper in New York?  It died as a result of a pressmens strike back in the mid-Sixties.  The plain fact of the matter is in the sour economy  we've got now a crummy job is still better than no job at all.

It's sad.

If you read both sides of the issues, it isn't as clear cut as the mainstream media portrays.  Truth probably somewhere in between.  But I don't buy the "it's all the workers fault!" BS. 

I always found it funny how when a company succeeds, it's because of the excellent management.  But if a company fails, it's because of those greedy employees.  Double standard much?

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:47 PM

The only blame that I can see in this is whether or not the employees blame themselves; or possibly blame the union if they feel the union should have made consessions on behalf of the employees.  Those blames would be based on the feeling that they had the opportunity to avoid the loss but missed it.   

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:40 AM

Please don't misunderstand my earlier posts.  There's plenty of blame to go around, but I put the major part of the responsibility on Hostess management.  How do you take a colossus and  major American icon like Hostess and run it into the ground?  What kind of incompetance does it  take to do that?  Well, it's not the first shocking business failure in history and I'm sure it won't be the last.

Let me finish with a quote from General Patton that applies to just about any kind of endevour:  "If everybody's thinking alike, then nobody's thinking!"   Applies to business as well as the art of war.

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Posted by John WR on Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:11 AM

Firelock76

Please don't misunderstand my earlier posts.  There's plenty of blame to go around, but I put the major part of the responsibility on Hostess management.  How do you take a colossus and  major American icon like Hostess and run it into the ground?  What kind of incompetance does it  take to do that?  Well, it's not the first shocking business failure in history and I'm sure it won't be the last.

Let me finish with a quote from General Patton that applies to just about any kind of endevour:  "If everybody's thinking alike, then nobody's thinking!"   Applies to business as well as the art of war.

If you feel like I've been beating up on you, Firelock, please accept my apology.  We are having a conversation.  After all nothing you write or I write will have any effect on the Twinkie decision.  Whether or not we agree doesn't matter (although I agree with you far more than I disagree).  

It is just that the American landscape is littered with once proud and profitable companies which, after many decades of success, went broke.  The example that jumps into my mind in the Penn Central.  Granted, times change and the business climate changes with them.  But downsizing is one thing; complete failure is something else again.  

A famous economist--I think he was Shrumpater--wrote about "creative destruction."  Maybe that is what is going on here.  

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:52 AM

Yes, I can understand hostility and blame toward the management, but that is somewhat beside the point I am making.

All I am saying is that companies do not owe anyone a job, so they are not responsible for jobs lost if they go out of business.  They have no obligation to the employees to manage the company with enough competence to make it survive.   

The only control the employees have over the jobs is to price themselves attractively to the employer.   

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, November 18, 2012 12:17 PM

Bucyrus

Yes, I can understand hostility and blame toward the management, but that is somewhat beside the point I am making.

All I am saying is that companies do not owe anyone a job, so they are not responsible for jobs lost if they go out of business.  They have no obligation to the employees to manage the company with enough competence to make it survive.   

The only control the employees have over the jobs is to price themselves attractively to the employer.   

No, they don't owe anyone a job, but they sure can't grow a business without employees (unless we are going to legalize slavery). .

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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