moelarrycurly4 answered "Illlinois Central." Is that the correct answer and if so, does he get credit for being the first to answer it?
I'd rather not this thread get cluttered with multiple topics. If there are outstanding questions on this particular thread (note that we're in Gen.Disc., not Classic), let's try to clear them up and move on, okay? - a.s.
al-in-chgo moelarrycurly4 answered "Illlinois Central." Is that the correct answer and if so, does he get credit for being the first to answer it? I'd rather not this thread get cluttered with multiple topics. If there are outstanding questions on this particular thread (note that we're in Gen.Disc., not Classic), let's try to clear them up and move on, okay? - a.s.
Johnny
Just a WAG: Does the L&N figure into this? - a.s.
Johnny,
CofG Macon to Atlanta
L&N Atlanta to Cincinnati
PRR Cincy to Chicago
I will hazard a guess and say that when its route was changed from the GS&F it ran CoG between Atlanta and Albany and ACL between Albany and Jax.
I believe this was the Southland's (or its predecessor's) route until the ACL's Perry Cutoff was opened in 1929. Sometime after that date the Southland was routed down the Cutoff between Albany and Tampa and St Pete bypassing Jacksonville.
Mark
KCSfan Johnny, CofG Macon to Atlanta L&N Atlanta to Cincinnati PRR Cincy to Chicago I will hazard a guess and say that when its route was changed from the GS&F it ran CoG between Atlanta and Albany and ACL between Albany and Jax. I believe this was the Southland's (or its predecessor's) route until the ACL's Perry Cutoff was opened in 1929. Sometime after that date the Southland was routed down the Cutoff between Albany and Tampa and St Pete bypassing Jacksonville. Mark
Yes, the L&N was very much in it--but not as Mark posited. Mark is right on the routing change that was made after the GS&F came into the Southern fold. The Southland (until the Perry Cutoff was opened) and this train both followed the same route between Atlanta and Jacksonville.
OK, Time for another SWAG.
Nashville, Chattanooga and StLouis from Atlanta to Nashville (I think this one has a good chance)
L&N to Louisville (this one, too)
C&EI to Chicago (I don't even know if the C&EI went to Louisville!)
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
oltmannd OK, Time for another SWAG. Nashville, Chattanooga and StLouis from Atlanta to Nashville (I think this one has a good chance) L&N to Louisville (this one, too) C&EI to Chicago (I don't even know if the C&EI went to Louisville!)
Deggesty oltmannd OK, Time for another SWAG. Nashville, Chattanooga and StLouis from Atlanta to Nashville (I think this one has a good chance) L&N to Louisville (this one, too) C&EI to Chicago (I don't even know if the C&EI went to Louisville!) Don, you are almost there! You have the right roads, but did not take one turn that you should have. The C&EI did not go to Louisville. Johnny
L&N Nashville to Evansville
C&EI Evansville to Chicago
We at last have the routing of the Dixie Flyer at the time when the GS&F handled the train between Macon and Tifton, Ga., and the change that was made after the GS&F was taken into the Southern System.
Don: CG north of Macon (½), ACL Tifton to Jax (1), NC&StL Atlanta to Nashville (1), L&N north & C&EI (½)
Al - in - Chicago.: L&N (½)
Mark: CG Macon to Atlanta (½), L&N Nashville to Evansville (½) & C&EI Evansville to Chicago (½) + (extra credit for the first change) CG to Albany & ACL to Jax (1)
The last change made while it was still a through train Chicago-Jacksonville was to remove the CG entirely in the early fifties, and run it over the AB&C (ACL) from Atlanta on south. It is interesting that when the Dixie Flagler was inaugurated, it did not run over the CG, but always over the AB&C out of Atlanta; otherwise, it was straight Dixie Route (Dixie Limited & Dixieland also used this route) from Chicago to Miami.
Looking at who knew what and who guessed what and when you posted, I say that Don did the most. Good work, guys. Now, ask one about some other section of the country.
Electrified portion of Conrail that was not ex-PRR or ex-DL&W.
a) where was it?
b) who built their locomotives?
c) where did the last survivors of these locomotives operated and for whom?
Don,
a) NYNH&H between New York and Hartford
b) GE ?
c) Amtrak NY - Hartford ?
Finally! A question that I might know!
I'm going to guess:
a) The original owner was Niagara Junction, and Conrail took over them in 1976.
b) The locomotives were GE, and I believe they were built at the Schenectady, NY plant.
c) The locomotives were classified E10B, and spent their last days in Harmon, NY circa 1980/1981.
Unless this question is intended for catenary / overhead electrification only, wouldn't the ex-NYC from Grand Central Terminal north to Harmon - mainly 3rd rail, with a little bit of overhead at the complicated switchwork, etc. - also qualify ? I'm pretty sure the S-motors ran into the CR era.
The New Haven's main line eventually was conveyed from CR to Amtrak - circa 1983 ? - so you might want to qualify the question with regard to time, too. Otherwise, that segment might be included (or not).
If it is included, then the locos are EMD's FL9's, last working for ConnDOT or MetroNorth - not sure which, or the divisions between the two.
- Paul North.
TrainManTy Finally! A question that I might know! I'm going to guess: a) The original owner was Niagara Junction, and Conrail took over them in 1976. b) The locomotives were GE, and I believe they were built at the Schenectady, NY plant. c) The locomotives were classified E10B, and spent their last days in Harmon, NY circa 1980/1981.
Correct! (except they didn't start in service on MN until 1983. They displaced the S1s switching GCT.
I had to double check the NH New Rochelle/Woodlawn Jct to New Haven piece, tho'. I was pretty sure that that part of the NH went over NY and Conn state ownership on "Conrail Day" (4/1/76). I double checked a 1978 Conrail system map and it shows CR has having trackage rights, not ownership. Conrail operated the commuter services for NY, NJ, Conn, Mass, PA, etc, up until sometime in 1980 when the owning authorities set up their own operations.
Paul, the FL9s lost their electrical gear quite a while back, although I'm not sure of the exact year. It was probably around when Metro-North ordered the duel-mode Genisis locomotives to replace the FL9s.
Here's my question:
A) What was the name of the Boston & Albany competitor that operated from Boston, MA, west to Northampton, MA, and later became part of the Boston & Maine?
B) What was the project that required diverting the ROW of this railroad onto a different defunct railroad's ROW (bonus points if you can name what it was!) using a 1110 foot tunnel and a 917 foot bridge?
Oooh, I remember this one! Kinda.
A) It was the Massachussets Central
B) Completely forgot, but I remember you saying something about a bike path...
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ns3010Oooh, I remember this one! Kinda. A) It was the Massachussets Central B) Completely forgot, but I remember you saying something about a bike path...
A is correct, it was the Massachusetts Central.
Anyone got part B?
All I have is a SWAG:
Hoosic tunnel. Housatonic RR.
Good guess! That does meet the criteria, but that wasn't the Massachusetts Central.
I will add that this whole line in question is currently abandoned.
Has the last question been answered correctly? - a.s.
Part A has, it's the Massachusetts Central Railroad, but I'm still waiting on Part B.
What was the project that required diverting the ROW of this railroad onto a different defunct railroad's ROW (bonus points if you can name what it was!) using a 1110 foot tunnel and a 917 foot bridge?
Wasn't it some kind of reservoir around Ware or Belchertown, MA..Quobog maybe.
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Nope. Not the one I'm thinking of.
Could be the replacement of the Green Line Elevated at North Station with a the new subway (inlcuding a new underground Green Line "North Station") and realignmnet of the old B&M route into North Station from the line to the west?
"How about a dam on the Connecticut River?" he said, grasping at straws.
Nope, nothing to do with the Connecticut. You're on the right track though; it was a public works-type project.
Should we move to the Hudson River and the NYC bridge south of Albany...Castleton?....OR...
....Am I too far north and should be thinking Hell Gate Bridge to Penn Station?
You're in the wrong state. The Central Massachusetts origanates in Boston, MA, and ends in Northampton, MA... It never leaves the state of Massachusetts...
A public works project at the turn of the century, that caused a major RR detour, that involved a bridge and a tunnel. hmmm.
The bridge and tunnel means it's probably in the middle or western part of the state.
It's too early for it to be a highway project, but it was right in the era of the growth of hydro power, but probably too early for the ACE to be heavily involved in flood control - so maybe a dam for power generation built by a utility or for water for growing cities, like Boston or Springfield?
What other rivers are candidates? Thames? Is it even more than a trickle in Mass?
Anybody familiar with any large man-made lakes in Mass?
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