What railroad's slogan was, "The Road of Personalized Services"?
The Illinois Terminal, though I thought their slogan was, "The Road of Personal Service", which is slightly different from what you posted.
Mark
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"The Road of Personalized Services" was the way it was written in my July 1973 Official Guide. Who is up?
SSW9389 "The Road of Personalized Services" was the way it was written in my July 1973 Official Guide. Who is up?
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Next question.
What was the largest subsidiary railroad in terms of route miles in the Illinois Central system and what year was it dissolved as a seperate corporation and fully merged into the IC?
My guess is the Chicago, St. Louis & New Orleans Railroad. It operated 1433 miles of track in 1948 and its stock was bought by the Illinois Central on July 1, 1951. This subsidiary owned the trackage from East Cairo, KY to New Orleans, LA among other points in the south. Data from Moody's.
Ed
KCSfan Next question. What was the largest subsidiary railroad in terms of route miles in the Illinois Central system and what year was it dissolved as a seperate corporation and fully merged into the IC? Mark
SSW,
I didn't realize the route mileage of the CStL&NO was that great and was thinking the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley was the bigger of the two. Unfortunately I've lost track of the reference that gave the Y&MV's mileage so I can't aurhoritatively confirm that. Perhaps someone else can help us out but in the meantime I'll declare you the winner since you are able to cite a reference source for your info.
Mark: Yazoo & Mississippi Valley RR was acquired by ICRR on July 1, 1946. I have a 1949 Moody's Steam Railroads, but that volume does not give the mileage for Y&MV RR as it was dissolved as a corporation before the 1949 Moody's was published. You need an older source to confirm the Y&MV mileage.
KCSfan SSW, I didn't realize the route mileage of the CStL&NO was that great and was thinking the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley was the bigger of the two. Unfortunately I've lost track of the reference that gave the Y&MV's mileage so I can't aurhoritatively confirm that. Perhaps someone else can help us out but in the meantime I'll declare you the winner since you are able to cite a reference source for your info. Mark
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Question: the CStL&NO figure includes the line into Birmingham (excluding trackage rights over three roads), along with the half-ownership of the Winfield-Brilliant, Ala. line?
From Moody's "The company owned as of December 31, 1948, 1,434.31 miles as follows: ...it goes in to all the lines owned by CStL&NO and then states Total operated, included Canton, Aberdeen & Nashville RR and leased lines, 1,542.91 miles."
Yes it owned or operated the line in to Birmingham and the Winfield to Brilliant, Alabama line is listed as 7.84 miles.
The Newberry Library's Descriptive Summary of Inventory of the Illinois Central Railroad Company Archives:
Chicago, St. Louis and New Orleans Railroad Company Records, 1873-1951
The Chicago, St. Louis and New Orleans Railroad Company (CStL&NO) was formed Nov. 7, 1877, by the consolidation of the New Orleans, Jackson & Great Northern RR Company (NOJ&GN) and the Mississippi Central RR Company (MissCen). By 1913, the IC operated under lease all the properties of the CStL&NO. Its 1421 miles of track traversed Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Alabama.
The Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad Company (Consolidated Corp.) Records, 1831-1943
The Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad Company consolidated with the Louisville, New Orleans & Texas Railway Company (LNO&T) on October 24, 1892. The newly consolidated Y&MV comprised over 946 miles of railroad, and by 1915, it had grown to over 1381 miles, by acquiring and leasing other lines through Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana.
Then there was this letter in TIME magazine, August 16, 1937:
In its report of the celebration of the 50th anniversary of Mound Bayou. Miss., TIME refers to "what is now the dinky Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad."
The Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad operates some 1,600 miles of line in four states, connecting New Orleans, Shreveport, Baton Rouge and Monroe, La., Memphis, Tenn., Jackson, Meridian, Vicksburg, Greenville, Natchez, Greenwood and Clarksdale, Miss., and Helena, Ark. Property investment is roundly $100,000,000. In 1936 the road performed 1,085,000.000 ton miles of freight service and 60,000,000 miles of passenger service, gave employment to approximately 4,000 persons, contributed $1,625,000 in taxes in the territory served.
L. A. Downs, President
Illinois Central System, Chicago, Ill.
In 1916, the A&V and VS&P were still associated with the Queen & Crescent, not the Y&MV. In 1930, the Meridian-Shreveport line is in the IC representation, in the Y&MV section. So, with the 313 mile (or so) length, the Y&MV system was longer than that of the CStL&NO.
As an aside, I had wondered for several years about the Winfield-Brilliant track shown on the IC map, and I at last learned that it provided access to coal mines at Brilliant that provided coal to the IC.
I've never really been able to get my hands around the Y&MV. It seems it was a catch all and as the IC acquired shortlines all over Mississippi they folded them into the Y&MV and the maps I've seen show so many branches the road almost looks like a modern day state highway map of Mississippi. Other than what I'll call its two mainlines, between Memphis and New Orleans (ex-LNO&T) and between Meridian and Shreveport (ex-A&V and VS&P), I've never been sure whether a specific line was a part of the IC, the Y&MV, or some other subsidiary. If anyone knows of a really definitive history of the Y&MV complete with detailed maps please point me to it.
Back to the IT for just a minute. I think the "Road of Personalized Service" slogan was adopted in its latter years after the wires had come down and it was a diselized freight only railroad.
KCSfan I've never really been able to get my hands around the Y&MV. It seems it was a catch all and as the IC acquired shortlines all over Mississippi they folded them into the Y&MV and the maps I've seen show so many branches the road almost looks like a modern day state highway map of Mississippi. Other than what I'll call its two mainlines, between Memphis and New Orleans (ex-LNO&T) and between Meridian and Shreveport (ex-A&V and VS&P), I've never been sure whether a specific line was a part of the IC, the Y&MV, or some other subsidiary. If anyone knows of a really definitive history of the Y&MV complete with detailed maps please point me to it. Mark
The Gulf and Ship Island--Jackson-Columbia-Gulfport (the original line), plus Mendenhall-Hattiesburg-Maxie (cutoff, and then main line) and Saratoga- Laurel was also a part of the CStL&C.
Whether it was the CSTL&NO or the Y&MV you've been declared the winner so shoot us another question when you have a chance Ed.
OK, this should be a softball question for someone on this thread. What famous railroad official was known as the "Doctor of Sick Railroads"? Name three of the railroads he "doctored".
Walker D. Hines. The three railroads were the NYC, D&RGW, and the...uh...something else. Don't remember the last one. (And my list isn't in order either!)
John W. Barriger, III. The Monon was the most recent, and I'm certain about that. Before then, I believe Denver & Rio Grande Western; Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific; and/ or Toledo, Peoria & Western; but these are all guesses / dim recollections.
- Paul North.
Barringer: RI, D&H, B&M. Also P&LE.
Then there was also Jervis B.Langdon...B&O, PC, Amtrak among his charges.
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Tyler, nice try but that is not the name I was looking for.
Paul you have the name right and have named three of the railroads that JWB saved. I don't recall that he was involved with Rio Grande, that was A. E. Perlman IIRC. The other roads that JWB saved were B&M and MKT. You are the official winner.
I realize it's Paul North's turn to ask the next question but it's been five days without any posted so rather than let the thread die I'm going to throw one out for discussion.
Many rail lines got tagged with unusual nicknames. The Rabbit and the Macaroni lines were but two of them. What railroad owned them, what were their end points, what was the origin of their nicknames and what is the status of these lines today?
I have no idea, but since the term "Macaroni" sounds a little Yankee Doodle to me, I'll WAG on the railroad being exx-B&O, now CSX.
Al: That railroad never even went there in its wildest dreams.
For extra credit, what railroad was "The Bluffs Line", where was it and what railroads run surviving parts of it?
al-in-chgo I have no idea, but since the term "Macaroni" sounds a little Yankee Doodle to me, I'll WAG on the railroad being exx-B&O, now CSX.
Sorry Al but the Macaroni Line was/is pretty far removed from the area formerly served by the B&O.
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