Do You support Rule G?

[rixflix]

Just finished editing all my posts in this thread and people it was a wearying forty minutes.Some of my friends in here could spend lifetimes doing that. I'm glad you don't seem to care. You know how it is guys, if you're hit by a truck you want to be wearing clean underpants. Well the hospital staff and my family will spend a little time figuring out my thong thing. Had a Brazilian girlfriend, rode bikes a lot and didn'tt like the chafing.etc. Let 'em figure because I'll be dead and LOL with no cottontail; and almost able to pass!!! Sonny Stitt and Gene Ammons would be my pals and I would be a painterly drummer like Tony Williams in my ideal heaven.
I hope folks'll say " He liked The Reading, superpowered and dual-purpose 4-8-4's (America's greatest contribution to the world of steam railroading) and a little more than the usual suntan."
Got a feeling that my ex will be throwing up restrictives this weekend , but you never know. It'll be something like "sweetie, that massage was nice but I still need my space" or "you tell wonderful stories but never get to the point". I must be a railfan.Give me the trip, not the destination...every...single...time!!!
Since this thread's corpse seems to continue dancing, is it OK Larry if we let the Ball roll a while longer? Aren't we all concerned with safety after all?
humbly.
yer Bard.

[Anonymous]

YES YES YES And it should be randomly tested for. There are too many people depending on a train's crew. Even a small derailment can result in big losses.

[tree68]

Like I said in a post early in the thread - Supporting Rule G and all that stands for and implies (including drug testing in all its forms) is a no brainer. We can make this a very short thread by asking that only those who do NOT support Rule G to speak up and make their case. We've already heard the satirical responses, so no need to repeat them.

Reading time for this entire thread has been variously reported as being from 15 to 40 minutes. There have been some great things said, there have been some less than great things said. Some things have been said ad nauseum.

The humor thread and the stupid questions thread are varied in their topics. They are able to go on because they are not repeating the same things over and over. This thread is essentially about one topic. It's an important topic, one that will certainly rise again (unfortunately - that will probably mean an incident where Rule G came into play). But, like I said, we've reached the point where we're flogging a dead horse. Most, if not all, of the opinions are out (some multiple times) and further discussion at this time only serves to repeat itself.

I have the feeling that the Ricky Gates thread died only because those with particularly strong feelings on the subject moved their attention to this thread. If they feel a continued need to stand on the soapbox, they'll start a new thread.

So, do we need to forget about Rule G, etc? Certainly not. Is it time for this thread to fade into obscurity? That would be my opinion.

[Anonymous]

I support random Drug Testing

DOGGY
GO CUBS

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Enough of these lessons in bad Klingon Verse. If I want my to feel my skin crawl and feel that overwhelming urge to run screaming out of the room out of fear for my sanity, I'll go to a Trek convention...I dont need that kind of cringing here...

Kev and Rick... Enough of the bickering, Kevin, whether or not you realize it Rick is an OK guy, he's just pushing your buttons and your responding to each button pushed..and YOU KNOW you can have a short fuse and are easily upset when someone starts to yanks your chain, even I getsurprised at how easy you can get offended, so please, cool off.

And Rick you knumbskull!

Its "Klaatu Verada Nikto" not -platu merada mikto-

I think you just ordered a large cheese pizza served over a old gym shoe!

And Dan, Lay off the Klingon Verse or we're going to come over to your place and beat you about the head and body with my Oxford Omnibus Unabridged The Complete Works of William Shakespeare thats the size of a small coffe table and takes two people to move!

woha woha Vic, you are greatly mistaken
I'm am not upset, nor offended, not anyhting else like that.

you can't upset a Canadian, jsut rememebr that.

I'm am not angry not and, not would i eat them in the rain, or eat them ona train.

I am jsut slightly disturbed though- A person who claims to be "38" jsut failed the standard 101 test- The test is now over, Watch and learn: I mimicked his (Ricks) behavior and performed the exacat same behaviorial traits as i was a whitness to.

Rick is twice my age, he should be more mature, He should have a sense of parental duties and he should know better.

However, when i stooped to his level, I was shocked and bewildered to see he would stoop even lower, Not only does that look bad on a psych test, that looks bad on anyone who has children, or who is planning to be a parent.

If i were a parent- i would not be encouraging My kids to fight on a forum; which is the exact behavior rick Displays..

Let's say Vic, that your right for a minute- Rick knows that i'm easily upset, So he continuously pushes my buttons, IS THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO? honestly, you know the conductor of a train gets upset when you hang out the doors, so you continualy do that until he blows up? Thats usually reserved for people in their years when they have "problems with authority" (I.e anywhere from 3-20, but mostly around 7-15, But RICK i's a parent, who ahppens to be 38, TWICE my age?

another example, a bus driver reapeatedly tells the children on a bus to sit down, of which one kid, when he doesn't think the bus driver is looking, and stands up, then when he looks, sits down ETC.

This behavior is also documented is Antidisestablishmentarisim (anti-disestablisment-tari-isim) To be against order and rules of a society, place, public area etc..

That is NOT proper or normal behavior for a 38 year old.. i've researched it and i have it right here in my book staright in front of me.

The book doesn't lie, and is fairl straight forward.

You would expect this behavior from someone who:

- is just entering their teenage years,
-who is exiting their teenage years
who is jsut discovering the image of "self" (8-10yrs)

usually associated with males.

I am, shell shocked litterally, that a man would conduct himself like this, in an effort just to get me upset, if you are actually right, which, you might just be.

and Rick, you may draw your own conclusion if you so desire.

[Anonymous]

You can't make a Candian Mad and Kevin I agree with you what you said he is not macure as I said earlier he's has bizzare posting

DOGGY

[rixflix]

No, I don't support Rule G and especially it's illegitimate offspring, random drug testing.
I DO support random drug using. Weed and a couple of hits of opium got me through Viet Nam more or less intact. I smuggled a bunch home in my stereo gear and just stared at it through the summer of '69. Seems like Pabst Blue Ribbon was my real substance of choice. Thanks, Army!!! Went to Woodstock in August aboard my new Honda 350 which I'd transformed into a cafe racer, and became real popular when I gave away all my Bong Son Blue grass and even the seeds to everyone in sight. Took about five minutes and no doubt was a benefit to society.
How's that for random using?
That' s two against Rule G ( really me twice) plus CSX. Not sure how many votes he's knocked in because I haven't quite grasped where he comes from and he may have multiple personalities. Don't be ashamed CSX, we all do, and seem to enjoy deploying them around this thread.
Kevin, go back to your book and see what it says about wacko 57 year old guys who love bop and post-bop music, 'cause I'm not 38.
Christ shows up Big Time to atone for our sins, and we dutifully crucify his ***.
I'd REALLY like to understand that!!!
Rick
aka The Bizarred

[Anonymous]

Ok Scrath 38 and replace it with 57

That makes it even worse, because now your 3 times my age and then some.

[Anonymous]

Well,
CSX is only posting to attack me and Kevin

DOGGY

[pmsteamman]

Everyone has to have a hobby!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy

Well,
CSX is only posting to attack me and Kevin

DOGGY

[rixflix]

Now, an innocent question

does rule G exist?

I mean under that moniker, in anything published or quotable. This is an age of "section 01.005, subsection 01.005.32, paragraph 01.005.32.b" etc. Is the very term "Rule G" an anachronism or a catchall name for everything that deals with substance abuse on the rails. Could it be found as such in an employee timetable or rulebook, AAR guideline or.....what? Lawyers have been active (like ferrets in heat) around these issues for eons and it's hard to believe they could present a document with such a simple title as evidence.
In short, can anyone here quote verbatim Rule G from a current or past document?
Or cite one of it's present mutations, with Title please!!!
How's that everybody? Did I do good?

Ahem.....now for the Dogster. My dad grew up in Detroit (not Deetroit, you hicks) and through the magic of DNA made me a lifelong Tigers fan. A lifetime of mostly frustrating summers was my inheritance. The brightest moment was when my heroes, down 3 games to 1 in the '68 series, turned the Card's and baseball's kitchen upside down. 30-game winner McLain was mostly absent, big-in-the-butt Lolich threw baffling curves while the Card's Gibson threw blinding fastballs, an d then Freehan threw out Lou Brock. Series turned on a dime and the Tiges won. Then came '84, the practically Immaculate Season. First place all the way through, 35-5 at one point, and breezing to the world title.

Whenever I could see a fat pitch coming into Willie Horton's wheelhouse in a certain way and situation, and his muscles twitch before swinging, I'd jump up and yell HOME RUN. I was only wrong twice in about ten chances and felt like I was right behind his bulging anticipative eyeballs..
Anyway we let your Cubs beat us 4-0 in 1907 and 4-1 in '08, but were improving. Then, Cobb-less we got you guys 4-2 in '35 and 4-3 in '45. I've resisted gloating over the Cub fan's disappointments in those and HOW many other years? Why? Because everyone but a Yankee fan roots for the underdog!!! I grew up near Philadelphia and favor the Phil's in the NL but the Cubbies come right after them in my heart. Wouldn't Cubs-Red Sox have been grand last year? Wish you and Da Cubss the best in this new season. I see the "Tiges" are hot from the gate this year and well ..... things will unfold!!!

The Grammar Grocer is featuring fresh parse-ly and parts of speech (at 94 cents a pound) this week. We've also got some leftover 40lb bags of sanitary pounding sand for those that need to go..... use it!!!

Rix aka da Bard

[edblysard]

Okey dokey, Bad Bard, here you go...

From the GCOR, General Code of Operating Rules, Fourth Edition, Effective April 2, 2000.

Keep in mind there is at least two other rule books in use, the one for the eastern American railroads, and the Canadian rule book.
The GCOR is used by most of the railroads west of the Mississippi.

Rule 1.5, otherwise know as Rule G before it was modified.
Found on page 1-3 in the General responsibilities section, GCOR.

Rule 1.5 Drugs and Alcohol

The use or possession of alcoholic beverages while on duty or on company property is prohibited.
Employees must not have any measurable alcohol in their breath or bodily fluids when reporting for duty, while on duty, or while on company property.

The use or possession of intoxicants, over the counter or prescription drugs, narcotics, controlled substances, or medications that may affect safe performance is prohibited while on duty or on company property, except medication that is premitted by a medical practitioner and used as prescribed.
Employees must not have any prohibited substance in their bodily fluids when reporting for duty, while on duty, or while on company property.

Thats it, the entire rule.
No subsection, paragraph numbers, nothing else but those two simple paragraphs.


And the next rule , 1.6, reads as

Rule 1.6 Conduct

Employees must not be:

1. Careless of the safety of themselves or others.
2. Negligent
3. Insubordinate
4. Dishonest
5. Immoral
6. Quarrelsome.
or
8. Discourteous.


You can seen, both rule 1.5 and 1.6 are so ambiguous as to be useless as true safety rules.
Almost every railroader could, at some point, be fired under rule 1.6

As for rule 1.5, in essence, if you bought a over the counter sinus medication, and a trainmaster decided to have you drug tested, you could be fired, because it wasnt a prescribed drug administered by a doctor.
Gargle with Scope before work, and breathe on a trainmaster, you can be tested, at the trainmaster's wish.

The majority of the rules in the GCOR are written is such a manner, so that, if you need to defend yourself against a charge of violating one of them, the carrier has several different definitions and interpretations for each one, changable as the carrier's circumstances need.

Realize this, the same company officer who charges you with breaking any rule is a participant in the investigation, and is one of the ruling officers that get to decide if you are guilty of breaking the rule.

There is no such thing as a independent court of inquirey, the same people that charge you, judge you.

Rule 1.6 would fail the test of a law in civilian court, as it does not define any of the parts listed, nor does it establish who gets to decide what is immoral or discourteous.

What may be a funny joke to trainmaster A may be a immoral statement or a discourteous statement to trainmaster B.

Trainmaster B orders you to do something that is against some other rule,(shoving blind) and you refuse.
He will threaten you with rule 1.6, being insubordinate.
The unions tell you to comply, but to state in front of witnesses you are doing so under protest.
No witnesses?
Something gets torn up, your fired, under the rule that covers shoving blind.
Refuse to break the rule, your fired for rule 1.6.


Although most of the "rules" are written in such a manner as to appear that the carrier was attempting to insure employee safety, in reality, they were written after the fact, as a reaction to a accident, injury or death.
Time afer time, I have heard "the rules are written in blood, the blood of T&E employees"
True...

Dont misunderstand, I am not against any of the rules, and I reccomend to any new hire to follow them to a "T", but just wanted the fans to understand that most of the rules are a double edged sword, sharper on the carrier's side.

Ed

[rixflix]

Halle- a- f...ing-lujah Ed, but that was bracing, informative and just plain cut through the kind of stuff that's been featured here. And you knew it all the time!!! Guess you enjoyed the nattering of nabobs on this thread, but just needed the right question. You could have righted our reeling ship early on but chose to have a little fun!!!
The kind of person I'd like to grow old with.
Young fellers, if you want to go railroadin' bring an attorney and think about what you say. A zillion postings won't make you a smarter person but a few seconds of thought and a good dictionary ( I trust my old Funk & Wagnalls and needed it for Hallelujah) just might help.
Ed, thanks again. Your revelation may have kicked the corpse into a jitterbug groove.
JoeKoh come on back heahh!!!
Takin it hard pards,
The Bard

[Anonymous]

Yes the Cubs and the Red Sox would of been good But THANKS TO STEVE BARTMAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND I HATE THE YANKEES and Doggy likes the Tigers also
DOGGY
GO CUBS

[JoeKoh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy

Yes the Cubs and the Red Sox would of been good But THANKS TO STEVE BARTMAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND I HATE THE YANKEES and Doggy likes the Tigers also
DOGGY
GO CUBS

pssst hey doggy if I paid X amount of dollars for that seat guess what?Id go for the ball too.They just made him their goat![:0] and rixflix I was just trying to mend fences but somedays you just gotta move on.[:)]
stay safe
Joe

[rixflix]

Dogs, bad things happened to the Sox fans too and they've had some terrible winters up there in Beantown, dwelling over "what if's?*. New Englanders are being smote in their hard-bitten and stalwart souls as I type these words, but good cheer to all of us suffering faithful.
We are not seats-money people nor evil Steves, but just people who love certain parts of this Life and sometimes go overboard in our enthusiasm for it.
Cut way down on your postings, listen a bit to wiser, even 57- year old's raps, and learn to live!!!
Rick

[pmsteamman]

The heck with Baseball, how can sports teams go on strike?? Bad working conditons? Long hours? Please.

[Anonymous]

The 8th Edition of NORAC operating rules (NORAC=-Norheast Operating Rules Advisory Committee) which were effective the first of last year 2003, and govern operations on Amtrak, Bay Colony, Canadian Pacific's former D+H, Conrail Shared Assets in NJ + Detroit areas; CSX's former CR lines (tho CSXT is about to implement their own rulebook on those routes very soon, I hear), Genesee & Wyoming, NJTransit, Susquehanna, NS' former CR lines, Providence & Worcester, Reading Blue Mountain & Northern, and SEPTA, plus some associated members (list of 39 roads, including Connecticut Southern, Springfield Terminal, Morristown & Erie).

Rule G reads as follows:

<<G. Drugs and Alcohol
Employees are prohibited from engaging in the following activities while on duty or reporting for duty:
1. Using alcoholic beverages or intoxicants, having them in their possession, or being under their influence.
2. Using or being under the influence of any drug, medication, or other controlled substance - including prescribed medication - that will in any way adversely affect their alertness, coordination, reaction, response or safety. Employees having questions about possible adverse effects of prescribed medication must consult a Company medical officer before reporting for duty.
3. Illegally possessing or selling a drug, narcotic or other controlled substance.

An employee may be required to take a breath test and/or provide a urine sample if the Company reasonably suspects violation of this rule. Refusal to comply with this requirement will be considered a violation of this rule and the employee will be promptly removed from service.
>>
================================================
[Smoking is covered in Rule H.]

For someone like myself, and I consider myself a responsible drinker (I know pretty much when to shut myself off, and I never drink when subject to duty), I consider that the programs of random D+A testing impinge on my personal integrity, in that I accept that I must comply with the Rules if I intend to continue working on the Railroad, including any like Rule G. I accept the legality of random testing nonetheless, especially when validated by court decisions based on the need for the public's safety.

For those unawares, since random testing commenced, the amount of 'positive' results has been somewhere near one-fourth of the amount that management anticipated. Kind of like saying that instead of a one percent occurrence rate, only about 0.25% of employees tested were found in violation, and most railroads have standards that are more strict than the US DOT's regulations (and most states' liquor laws) dictate.

All in all, we're a pretty safe bunch of people, alcohol- and drug-wise ..... we're not users, in spite of some having been in the past. That doesn't mean that we're not still human beings, subject to human foibles and all ..... but, I'll let my brothers in the BLE and UTU speak to those issues of working out in the field vs. being alert and all.

D.D.Perry, train dispatcher
Amtrak
New England Division
Boston CETC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh

QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy

Yes the Cubs and the Red Sox would of been good But THANKS TO STEVE BARTMAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND I HATE THE YANKEES and Doggy likes the Tigers also
DOGGY
GO CUBS

pssst hey doggy if I paid X amount of dollars for that seat guess what?Id go for the ball too.They just made him their goat![:0] and rixflix I was just trying to mend fences but somedays you just gotta move on.[:)]
stay safe
Joe

Now Joe I was at the Bulls Game when It happened and HE COST THE CUBS AND I WILL STAY MAD UNTIL THEY WIN.

[rixflix]

Yeah, yeah I know, but return with me now to those days of yesteryear. I was a quick doubles-hitter who idolized Musial, Clemente, Kaline, and even the slower Berra. If a double was needed late in the game we would just caress the ball out to the end of our bats and dump it between or amidst the confused outfielders. Third base was my favorite position but I was at home anywhere in the infield. Wish I still had that arm and those beautiful first basemen who knew where to stretch and pick my throws. From side-arm or from under the other guys' cleats my tosses would always curlicue sharply at their end. And speaking of that, I must retire now for tomorrow's Easter.
Felices Pascuas.
Ricardito

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rixflix

Dogs, bad things happened to the Sox fans too and they've had some terrible winters up there in Beantown, dwelling over "what if's?*. New Englanders are being smote in their hard-bitten and stalwart souls as I type these words, but good cheer to all of us suffering faithful.
We are not seats-money people nor evil Steves, but just people who love certain parts of this Life and sometimes go overboard in our enthusiasm for it.
Cut way down on your postings, listen a bit to wiser, even 57- year old's raps, and learn to live!!!
Rick

Rick,
I know you were just trying to mend fences and I'm Sorry are you a Tigers Fan? IF you are good becuase I like the Tigers Now for Gerorge Stienbrenner I'm sure you can Tell I'm a Red Sox fan. If I could I'd slug the Guts Him
DOGGY

[rixflix]

Doggy, get lost for a while.
The adults have seized control here and you can't seem to understand that we're finally answering your Rule G question. Park your mouth and hear!!!
Live, from Bardland..... but wait...... here's Mr.Charles Parker from......where?.....Kansas City?.....folks, it's a little hard to hea..... zzzzzphraaakpopzzzz.....our musicians tonight are really cooking......and Mr. Parker just told me to call him Bird.....That's B-I-R-D.....zzzzzyowoooowowowawowapop.....and he's about to blow right now.....Dig it!!!!

Yes ma'am we have both edible crow and humble pie here at the Grammar Grocery. Crow's over there with Poultry and humble pie's in Baked Goods, but honestly you could make a better pie from scratch.....we have alll the ingredients.

[Rick Gates]

Rixflix - After reading through your many incoherent ramblings, are you under the influence of a substance prohibited under Rule G? The alternative is even more disconcerting.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rick Gates

Rixflix - After reading through your many incoherent ramblings, are you under the influence of a substance prohibited under Rule G? The alternative is even more disconcerting.

Well At least i'm not the only one who sees that.

Railfix- Your Grand you know that? MAn.. .. you made me chuckle all day yesturday! "I'm not 38! i'm 57!" I would have taken 38, because at 38 your still slighly allowed to be a bit immature, but at 57? your old enough to be my grandfather! and look at your behavior!

LOL!

Thats one for the ages!

LOL Rick, your still after doggy aren't you! Some people just never grow up, and you've become prime evidence of that.

If you recall, doggy is leading in points when it comes to maturity.

Rick one last thing, I couldn't help but notice you made a subliminal shot at my spelling a few posts back, No i'm not going to spend 40 minutes or 35 secondes correcting my spelling, If you can't read- I fail to see how thats my problem.

don't make your problems mine, I'm not taking the rap because your illiterate.

If you can't read, Either your school or parents or even Society has failed you, But i sure havn't!

Actually scrathc society, dont want you blaming society for your problems either.

sorry bub.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rixflix

Doggy, get lost for a while.
The adults have seized control here and you can't seem to understand that we're finally answering your Rule G question. Park your mouth and hear!!!
Live, from Bardland..... but wait...... here's Mr.Charles Parker from......where?.....Kansas City?.....folks, it's a little hard to hea..... zzzzzphraaakpopzzzz.....our musicians tonight are really cooking......and Mr. Parker just told me to call him Bird.....That's B-I-R-D.....zzzzzyowoooowowowawowapop.....and he's about to blow right now.....Dig it!!!!

Yes ma'am we have both edible crow and humble pie here at the Grammar Grocery. Crow's over there with poultry and humble pie's in Baked Goods, but honestly you could make a better pie from scratch.....we have alll the ingredients.

Guys,
I was reading it over and thanks for all the answer and Thank You Mr. Perry for an explanation

DOGGY

[rixflix]

Rick Gates, your last post truly dismays me. It's Rule AA that has set my demons loose and forced me to confont them. It's been hard work over the last twenty years. I've got a few years on you I know, but I've come to admit...... that I'm crazy!!! That's right folks, you heard it from the horse's *** right here!!! I mean when owning and driving a car conflicted with Jim Beam back in 1979, I moved on to 6-year-old Inver House Scotch without hesitation. Didn't want anyone hurt and have BMW'd ( Bus, Metro, Walk) ever since. My alcoholic mind still wonders why AAA never sent me a plaque for staying away from the steering wheel. Guessing now, but I think my sometimes elusive God and my irritating conscience were at work even then. I realize you had to be driving a train that terrible sad day and can only wish you a brotherly hug.

Now, Kevin you are old enough to scuttle your "floats" all by yourelf.. I see the galley oars flailing right now in my twisted mindscape. "He'p me, He'p me", you are saying while drowning in your private sea of rhetoric. Well when you get to be a grandfather don't bother me no mo' . I'll have been long gone, like a cool breeze or a warm Old Fart. Let's see, John Coltrane on tenor sax, Wynton Kelly on the 88's, Paul Chambers on the stand-up bass, Elvin Jones on the american drums, and me rixflix on..... what....what....the upright pud!!!.

Thanks edblysard and ddperrydispatch for your careful and thoughtful posts. We all got here by various means and your work ( I know it was) is applauded right now by me, rixflix.

[Anonymous]

whoop whoop wshops

Rick, did you know i've been cailling you "railfix" instead of "rixflix" the whole time? I can't figure out why I would be doing such a thing..

don't know where i got that from, anyways, sorry my bad,

Have a happy Easter!
Kev.

[rixflix]

Kevin,
Of course I did you ninny. Just overlooked it for charitable reasons.
I screwed up myself on *klatu verada nikto*.
I replayed *The Day the Earth Stood Still" several times just to make sure it was "Platu merada mikto" I was hearing, and guess what.....I need a new left earIII Before i post I try to make sure what I say is what I mean and my hienie was out in the sunlight. Didn't take vsmith long to spank it. Owww Vic that hurt, especially because it was in public view. Ow Ow Ow!!!
Vic, you never said a thing about the Little Rascals piece I tacked on to the flick I sent you.
Ya gotta live a little, love a little...doo da da da......well anyway Kevin, if you haven't planted a cherry bomb under my o'wise happy Easter, here's my best wishes for your own.

[Anonymous]

THIS TOPIC CLOSED

DOGGY
HAPPY EASTER

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rixflix

Ya gotta live a little, love a little...doo da da da......

Hey Rick, I like that Quote, Live a little and LOVE A LITTLE

emphesis on LOVE A LITTLE

You see Rick, in the scheme of live, we are all human.

I didn't plant a cherry bomb under you, don't worry, it's a banana bomb.. brum bum che.

No, bombs are strictly against my "code de vie"

We are all human and we do often err from our ways like lost sheep. the path of being polite, and respective of others is lest followed, and we often tend to err on the path of disrespect.

Rick lets make a deal, I really can't take this bickering much more, it gives me a sore stomach, if we can't at least be nice to each other (which we can), then we ought to ignore each other, let me know what you think, in words that I can understand because being from quebec means slowm or slower.