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Posted by tree68 on Friday, January 9, 2009 7:28 PM

8:30pm

-11F (-24C)

Good thing the heater in the waterbed is working fine.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, January 9, 2009 9:36 PM

tree68

8:30pm

-11F (-24C)

Good thing the heater in the waterbed is working fine.

Larry, why worry about only two dogs if you have a heater in your bed? Of course, you may find that they want to get into the bed with you--and then you will have to tell them not to scratch the mattress.

If you really want cold weather, there are several spots northeast of Salt Lake that regularly have below zero temperatures in the winter. One was reported a few days ago as having a low of about -53. Several years ago, we had regular reports of the lowest temperature in that area, but the novelty must have worn off, since they are seldom mentioned now.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:50 AM

Just a reference to an old rock group (Three Dog Night - but that is precisely where the term came from).

We get enough of the really cold stuff right here, when an Alberta Clipper kicks in.  I do feel for the firefighters who are overhauling a garage fire right now (they went out shortly after 11).   I've been there myself.

-21F at 2:45AM.  I'm going back to bed.

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Posted by Mookie on Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:21 AM

Tree - two dogs - one for each side. You lay on your back all nite. Three dogs - one will end up on your chest.  (Oh that's right - that applies to cats!)

You mentioned "overhaul" - and I hear that on my scanner all the time.  What in general does that entail?

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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:34 AM

good morning

juice coffee and hot chocolate are ready to go.we also have some cinnamon rolls.going to get the gear on and clear off the driveway.also going to refill our bird feeders too.Csx has been busy all night.

stay safe

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Posted by cherokee woman on Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:55 AM

Good Saturday morning, everyone.  Uh, hearing thunder outside.  We started at 50 when I got up at 5:30; now, we have 48, and supposed to get back up to 53, before the cold front comes in.  When the cold front comes in, temps will be dropping andthe rain is supposedly to change to snow.  Not supposed to be much accumulation, if any.  

Joe, thanks for fixing breakfast!  I'm getting off the puter, as I've heard a couple of big claps of thunder, and some lightning.  Will be back, after the storm is over.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:14 AM

-23F at 7 AM.    Home weather station only indicates to about -22, and it's reading "OFL" right now.  Another thermometer provided the cold facts.

Looks like the snow will stay well south of us.

Ms Mook - Overhaul is going through and making sure the fire is really out.  Fire has a way of "hiding," only to flare up later.   It's actually when the firefighters do most of the damage (instead of the fire), as they "open up" walls and ceilings and drag loose stuff outside.  Overhauling is time consuming and a pain, but it saves coming back again later.

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Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:51 AM

Good morning! It's cold here in Sioux Falls, we have a temp of either 4 or 8 degrees above 0, depending on which source of information I look at. We got a couple inches of snow here yesterday afternoon and it pretty well quit snowing by the time I got home from work yesterday after 4:00 PM. I know that I will need to shovel my sidewalk before I head for work later this morning.

Within the last few days, Mudchicken had given us some indication that it is awfully dry out in the Boulder, Colorado area where he lives. Mudchicken was not kidding!!! I have a cousin who lives in a suburb of Boulder and at one point earlier this past week the county sheriff came knocking on his front door and ordered him and his wife to get out, there was a brush fire raging through their neighborhood, but fortunately for them and their neighbors, their houses were spared from the fire itself. Jim's sister emailed my sister in Lincoln, Nebraska the pictures that Jim had taken, and my sister then sent them to me. Jim says that he and his wife had a lot of soot to clean up, but otherwise their house was still standing, and pretty much untouched by the fire itself . I have a lot of respect for fire fighters, and I am sure my cousin and his wife now have a greater appreciation for them!

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Posted by grampaw pettibone on Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:19 AM

Good Saturday morning, everybody. 31 degrees and clear  in Carolina this morning, headed to 65 later. We have had our share of grass fires on this property. Very little actual damage was done, but the blood pressure went up for a while. The quack visit resulted in some minor surgery, but I am OK. He wants me to stay in bed with my foot elevated, so it cramps my lifestyle considerably.Everybody take care, stay safe and warm, and C U later

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Posted by cherokee woman on Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:33 AM

Okay, everything seems to have calmed down, weather wise, here.  That was a good little storm.  As loud as the thunder was, I'm about half way surprised it didn't at least wake up Mutt.  Although, he's been known to sleep through the civil defense sirens going off after there's been a tornado warning put out.  

At 8:28, we're down to the low to mid 40s, supposed to get back up to about 50, 53 by noon, then the temps will be dropping off throughout the afternoon, evening.  

Larry, I think I'll let you keep your cccold temps up there.  I definitely don't like it when we have temps that cold.  I can't seem to get enough layers on, to warm up.  Wink

Tom, hope you're back on your feet in no time.  Take care of yourself, and follow the doctor's orders.

You all have a good morning and afternoon, and take care.  See you all later tonight, for pizza.

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:45 AM

.....I'm seeing some very nasty low temps being reported out there this morning...especially Larry.....That's cold, no other way about it.

We're under a winter advisory here until 7 pm this evening.  Overnight we've had some wintery mix and now it appears the streets are a sheet of ice....and our sidewalk and driveway as well.  32.5 degrees right now and the radar shows green. pink and blue all over the state but appears {right now}, to be moving out somewhat.  I don't see it hanging heavily on the wires....{thankful for that}, as we've electric heat here.

To change to snow later.  At this point, I don't know how much.  Was to get our photos taken at the church today for the 09 church family record book.....but if this doesn't melt on the streets...we'll not try to do that.

Yesterday, in going into town and getting on a 4 lane feeder into town from the interstate saw a car burning and police just arriving....It was burning right under the engine {on the ground}, and terrible smoke coming out from under the hood...I wonder what was burning under it....??  Surmise the engine might have blown and put oil on something hot and drained on the ground or....an oil line....or gas line might have leaked...Must check the paper this morning to see if any info.  Late model car too....

Sky here is overcast of course but really don't see much wind blowing the trees....Just hope it gets a degree or two warmer and clears the streets.

At least no temp like Larry has up northland...Wow, that's cold.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:00 AM

Heck - it's not cold till it gets to -30.... Wink

Quentin - there are plenty of things under the hood that can melt and drop under the car, in addition to the flammable liquids (oil and transmission fluid).  Also, many cars now are "fuel injected", which puts the gas under pressure as it arrives under the hood. 

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:39 AM

Yes, Larry...point well taken.  I understand the situation under the hood as I'm an "automotive person" from decades ago....and you are correct, all the passenger production vehicles are fuel injection of one kind or another and have been for some time.  Their fuel is delivered at very high pressure to the intake and I'm surprised we don't have more problems with that pressure than really we do.

But it did look a bit unusual with it burning on the ground and really lots of smoke pouring out from under the hood.  That's why I wondered if possibly a rod might have exited the oil pan and dumped oil on the ground and ignited as it passed over a part of the exhaust pipe.  I didn't see anything in our morning paper regarding that incident to learn more....but would I have anyway.....I thought about driving over to it as I have an extinguisher in the truck but several police cars were arriving as we pulled up to the intersection and I decided to stay out of the way and felt one ext. was not enough to make a difference anyway....

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Posted by baberuth73 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:45 AM

Good morning to all on this lovely morning.

Grampaw Pettibone, what misfortune has befallen you that you must elevate your foot? I remember back in the winter of '05 when I spent the better part of 3 months with my leg elevated while my achilles tendon healed. The doc warned me that my bone spur would eventually rupture that tendon if I didn't go under the knife and, as luck would have it, he was right. I was able to catch up on my reading, at least. Speaking of reading, I bought a book yesterday that may interest you and any other Carolina railfans that have an interest in the early days of railroading. It is entitled "The Charleston and Hamburg, a South Carolina Railroad and an American Legacy"  published in 2008 and authored by Thomas Fetters. I mistakenly thought I was knowledgable about this railroad but as I read I realize how misinformed I was. Why, I'd never even heard of the "Aiken Planes" ! This would make a good read while you're laid up. I hope you're up to speed soon.

My heart goes out to all of you who have to cope with temps on the wrong side of 0. Gotta go work on my roof before the rain moves in tonight, catch ya'll later.

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:23 AM

Good morning, all. We are about twenty degrees this morning, with the sun shining now, and a prospect of rising to the thirties.

Tom, I envy you your Low Country temperatures. Where I grew up, in the Up Country, we, of course, were colder, but the ice storms (seldom did it snow) were the worst part of winter. I trust you will be back on both feet soon.

CW, you write of Mutt’s ability to sleep through sirens. You remind me of an incident one summer when I was in college. I worked on the college’s building and ground crew every summer, and I lived in the dormitory. One of the summer school students thought that it would be great fun to beat the brake drum by the stairway with the brick that was kept by the drum (yes, that was our fire alarm) one night. Sad to say, even though my room was just around the corner, I slept right through the noise, but other boys in the dorm heard it, and caught the idiot. A few nights later, the boy woke in the middle of the night and realized that there were others in the room with him. He tried to rise up, but could not, because he was tied down, so he had to take the full force of the fifty or so gallon trash can full of water and trash, cigarette butts and all, that was emptied on him. He was cured, and the other boys did not mind paying for a new mattress.

baberuth 73, I had never heard of the Aiken Planes. I had no idea that that part of the state had such grades that would have caused anybody to think that pplanes would be necessary.

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:15 PM

...........We are not gaining any temp today.....It's been moving in the 31 to 32 degree bracket all day which means the ice is staying a bit of misting is seeing we have plenty on our streets and driveway and sidewalk.  We're outside the city in our addition and no salt on the streets here to incourage any ice melting.  Just a gray cloudy day doing the above.

Radar shows no winter storm system passing but the temps and moisture are sure doing their part.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:43 PM

afternoon well mother nature has decided to add wind now to the equation.matt did get to go sledding a little bit.CSX fixed a bit of track then the hi rail truck broke a hydraulic line so they couldn't raise the hi-rail.winter is bringing out more work for all maintainers.going to get some hot chocolate and watch some playoff football. stay safe joe

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Posted by baberuth73 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:47 PM

Deggesty: The elevation at Aiken is 510 feet above sea level; at Hamburg it is 360 feet above sea level. The railroad decided that rather than take a longer continuous route, it would use inclined planes at varying degrees of descent to handle the grade. Originally a winch and cable setup was used to lower the loads and raise the emptys. This setup was replaced by two 35hp steam engines. By 1860 the planes had been abandoned in favor of a roundabout continuous route. The author also states that a similar inclined plane method was used in Pennsylvania.

I had never heard of such an awkward method of handling railcars. With this book, I think I'm in for an education.

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Posted by grampaw pettibone on Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:12 PM

baberuth73
With this book, I think I'm in for an education.

David, I too had never heard of the Aiken planes. Interesting. I am not a big fan of Fetters. I have his LOGGING RAILROADS OF SOUTH CAROLINA and read it with interest. Until my accident, I was employed by Clarendon County and got a chance to research the old railroads there. In fact, I made an exhaustive study and found that Fetters' book was riddled with errors, suppositions and hearsay. Perhaps, his area of interest was too broad, and narrowing things to the Aiken area have resulted in a more accurate history of the subject. Clarendon had 4 common carriers, the Atlantic Coast Line, The NorthWestern of South Carolina, the Charleston, Sumter and Northern and the Alcolu, along with 9 logging lines.  It made a fascinating subject to study, finding the old roadbeds, trestles and where the depots were!

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Posted by mudchicken on Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:18 PM

Mookie

Tree - two dogs - one for each side. You lay on your back all nite. Three dogs - one will end up on your chest.  (Oh that's right - that applies to cats!)

Mooks - applies to scotties too. Doogie is the chest implant (If it were "Gus", you'd be calling 911 - if you could breathe...)

Special order for the diner: one hot dog, plain-hold the bun. We just got Gus back from the vet with a serious eye infection. He now is wearing a conical collar (RCA Victor swallowed the dog). The hot dog will disguise the 3x/ day pill trip. (tried to hit the dog door at a full gallup - hysterical results)

Newswire missed the 38 car coal train derailment last weekend at Manzanola, CO - what a mess (saw it yesterday). The journal bearing failure is going to keep BNSF busy for quite a while in the Little Apple.) - Predict newswire will pick up over the hysteria on the other side of town (Thornton) over the whining of NIMBY's over stored cars on the UP Welby Branch.

 

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:37 PM

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The author also states that a similar inclined plane method was used in Pennsylvania.

 

Very true....Used to conquer the Alleghenies between Hollidaysburg and Johnstown, Pa.  Known as the Allegheny Portage Railroad....Hauled traffic up several Planes to the top and let them down the other side.....Even had an Inn for passengers to stay at the top of the mountain elevation.

This a major tourist attraction now.  Some of the Planes are restored.

Edit:  If I remember correctly....The elevation at the summit of the Planes, was about 2,200'.

Horseshoe Curve route on the Pennsylvania R R was built to overcome that route and allowed thru trains from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh.  Horseshoe Curve was opened in 1854.

The above is located in the next county to my home back in Pennsylvania.

Google "Portage Railroad" to see more data.

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:54 PM

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Predict newswire will pick up over the hysteria on the other side of town (Thornton) over the whining of NIMBY's over stored cars on the UP Welby Branch

 

.....Already happening in our area.....A town near here {south},  has a very long line of stored auto carriers and it even made our local paper several days ago....Photos and all.  Folks upset with the long line of carriers being stored on a dead end storage track.

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Posted by Mookie on Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:12 PM

MC - Poor Gus!  If you want to drop him off here for awhile, I would babysit him until he is well.  Having met Gus, he's da man! 

I saw a german shephard walking his master today, carrying a stick in his mouth and trying to get thru his front gate.  Just a little bit too long.  Shades of Gus and his door.

They are starting to store a line or 2-3 of cars down by the depot.  There is extra trackage there right now and it is gradually filling up more all the time.  However, coal is still king and ran back and forth today for several hours.  Only one grain train and no freights;

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:22 PM

I'm well aware of the whole cat-on-top-of-you thing - we had cats for a number of years. 

The old girl doesn't sleep on the bed any more (she's getting very sensitive in her old age), and it's bad enough that the Dal likes to "cuddle."  If the sides of the waterbed didn't hold me in, there would be times I'd find myself on the floor....

The Dal will be going in for his operation (hind leg has a growth) this month and will probably come home with a cone, so he can't chew on the stitches.  It will mean some interesting encounters with the dog door - I'll probably have to keep the inside door shut so he has to ask to go out.

Stored cars - a shortline near me is storing cars for CSX - upwards of 1000 on a couple of otherwise unused lines.  They don't get paid a lot for each car, but multiply it by 1000 and it adds up in a hurry.  They've had some interesting experiences putting the cars where they are, as it involves some long pushes of long strings of cars.

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Posted by cherokee woman on Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:43 PM

There's some mighty good reading on here this afternoon/evening.  Very interesting!!  

Sarah took me grocery shopping this afternoon, to a different place.  I'm kind of getting burned out with our neighborhood Kroger.  So, it was a very nice change of place for grocery shopping.    Here's our Pizza Fest menu for tonight:

1.  Anchovie; 2.  Cheese w/extra cheese; 3.  Goetta; 4.  Hawaiian; 5.  Pepperoni/mushroom; 6.  supreme; 7.  Italian sausage calzones; 

And, for mudchicken, a couple of plain hot dogs.  

Everybody stay warm tonight, enjoy your pizzas, and take care.  

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Posted by Mookie on Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:24 PM

baberuth73

Speaking of reading, I bought a book yesterday that may interest you and any other Carolina railfans that have an interest in the early days of railroading. It is entitled "The Charleston and Hamburg, a South Carolina Railroad and an American Legacy"  published in 2008 and authored by Thomas Fetters. I mistakenly thought I was knowledgable about this railroad but as I read I realize how misinformed I was. Why, I'd never even heard of the "Aiken Planes" ! 

 Baberuth73 -  I have some information for you from another forum reader:  "Tom Fetters is a past president of the Lombard Historical Society, and a bit of a railfan (though not so knowledgeable on the nuts and bolts of going out and looking at the trains).  Quite diverse in his hobbies; we have the book he wrote on Lustron houses, built out of steel right after World War II (Lombard has/had more of these than any other place).  He also likes old-time radio shows.  He's quite well informed about the Carolinas, but I don't know his actual connection with that region.

So, knowing how Tom operates when it comes to research, and his passionate interest in the things he writes about, I'm not surprised that people are learning from his books."

You can contact Carl in the Lounge if you would like further information.

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Posted by Mookie on Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:26 PM

Tree!  A CONE!  I read it really fast and thought you said a CANE! 

Boy, the eyes are the first to go!

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:34 PM

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Quite diverse in his hobbies; we have the book he wrote on Lustron houses, built out of steel right after World War II

 

Lustron Homes......Yes, an interest of mine over past years.  Steel sections plated with porcelain was the constructuion material.

Believe there were two options of size...one included a garage....$8,000 and the other around $11,000 for the complete home.

I know where there still is one here in Muncie.  The history of the homes have a "cult" following.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:09 PM

Mookie
Tree!  A CONE!  I read it really fast and thought you said a CANE! 

Must..........stop..........laughing..............and..................catch...............breath.............

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Posted by blhanel on Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:55 PM

Modelcar

Mookie
Quite diverse in his hobbies; we have the book he wrote on Lustron houses, built out of steel right after World War II

 

Lustron Homes......Yes, an interest of mine over past years.  Steel sections plated with porcelain was the constructuion material.

Believe there were two options of size...one included a garage....$8,000 and the other around $11,000 for the complete home.

I know where there still is one here in Muncie.  The history of the homes have a "cult" following.

Hmmm, if those are what I think they are, we have four of them in Cedar Rapids... I'll have to get a picture of one of them and post it.

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