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Posted by Railway Man on Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:10 PM

The U.S. controlled the Panama Canal Zone from 1903 to 1979; the railway was completed in 1855.  While it is true that the Panama Railway connects one ocean to the other, the term "transcontinental railroad" in North American railroading designates a railroad or route connecting a Mississippi or Missouri River gateway with the Pacific Coast, or across Canada.  It's a very old term.

Dale, you came up with number 6 with the SP&S.  Now for number 7.  As a hint, think about each of the trancontinental railroads, list the major components that created them, and you'll discover another one of them that has two halves, separate ownership, different name, that met more or less in the middle, with one of those halves building west to east.  Another hint, that probably won't be helpful, is that this line lost its west-to-east mileposts a long time ago.

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Posted by KCSfan on Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:28 PM

The San Diego Arizona & Eastern though I wouldn't consider it to be a transcon. How about the Panama Railway, the only true transcon stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific? When it was built both the Canal Zone and the railroad belonged to the US.

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:49 PM

Murph, your fellow Midwesterners tried to grab B.C.-
From Wikipedia-
In Congress, Democratic expansionists from the Midwest, led by Senators Lewis Cass of Michigan, Edward A. Hannegan of Indiana, and William Allen of Ohio, called for war with the United Kingdom rather than accepting anything short of all of Oregon up to 54°40'N. (54°40' was then the southern boundary of the Russian claim to Alaska.) The slogan "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight" appeared by January 1846, driven in part by the Democratic press.

I'll guess the SP&S may have been built with mileposts starting in Portland. Was the 7th line outside of the 3 coastal States ?

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:01 PM
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Original question restricted to U.S. roads ...
Blush [:I]  It even says that in the question....Dunce [D)]

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Posted by Railway Man on Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:59 PM
Original question restricted to U.S. roads ...
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:57 PM
     Would the other two be Canadian?  Pacific Great Eastern(?)

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Posted by Railway Man on Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:55 PM

 Murphy Siding wrote:
     How about Western Pacific?

Now we're up to five:

SP

CP

WP

SPLA&SL

OWR&N

Still two more at least.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:51 PM
     How about Western Pacific?

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Posted by Railway Man on Friday, December 14, 2007 4:53 PM

My bad.

Could the Cotton Belt be considered part of a transcon?  The SP did, so yes, I guess it could count.  Which way was it mileposted historically?

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Friday, December 14, 2007 4:22 PM
I was thinking of the SSW, not the SLSF. Could it be counted as an 8th transcon, from the Sunset Route to St. Louis ?
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Posted by Railway Man on Friday, December 14, 2007 4:18 PM
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Now this is an interesting question.

SP's Sunset Route, and the Central Pacific should be two of them.

Would the Oregon Railway and Navigation Company and the Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad be two more ?

St. Louis Southwestern ?

The first four are part of this group (technically it would be San Pedro, Los Angeles & Salt Lake when it built, but that's not important here).  Frisco?  I don't think so - I've not heard of it being considered a transcontinental or part of a transcontinental route though it might have been had it held onto the Atlantic & Pacific, and in any case I can't think of any significant part of its route that built west to east other than maybe Springfield-Memphis, which seems a stretch to consider as a transcontinental, historically.

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Posted by hf1001 on Friday, December 14, 2007 3:44 PM
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Friday, December 14, 2007 1:16 PM

Now this is an interesting question.

SP's Sunset Route, and the Central Pacific should be two of them.

Would the Oregon Railway and Navigation Company and the Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad be two more ?

St. Louis Southwestern ?

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Posted by Railway Man on Friday, December 14, 2007 12:50 PM

Here's a new one:

Name the U.S. transcontinental railroads or major components of ultimate transcontinental routes whose mileposts "ran backward," i.e., west to east, at least when constructed.  I know of seven but since the definition is somewhat blurry there might be one or two more.

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Posted by Railway Man on Friday, December 14, 2007 12:46 PM

First spike, Thomsons Junction, Minnesota, February 15, 1870.

Last spike, Gold Creek, Montana, Setember 8, 1883 (construction crews actually met on August 23).

Same spike used for both ceremonies.  Some sources say steel, some say iron, but definitely not gold.

pdf of NY Times article for that day about the ceremony:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9C04E1D8133BE033A25750C2A96F9C94629FD7CF&oref=slogin

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, December 14, 2007 12:17 PM
 nanaimo73 wrote:
 Murphy Siding wrote:
 J. Daddy wrote:

Cool! I have an easy one: "Name the location of the last spike driven on the 3rd transcontinental Railroad, and where was the golden spike actually driven for this Railroad?" 

?  Wasn't UP first, NP second, and GN third?

I believe SP is usually called 2nd, referring to the Sunset Route.

I guess I had forgotten about those guys.Blush [:I]

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Friday, December 14, 2007 1:19 AM
 Murphy Siding wrote:
 J. Daddy wrote:

Cool! I have an easy one: "Name the location of the last spike driven on the 3rd transcontinental Railroad, and where was the golden spike actually driven for this Railroad?" 

?  Wasn't UP first, NP second, and GN third?

I believe SP is usually called 2nd, referring to the Sunset Route.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:31 PM
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now your getting warm!
Carlton, Minnesota?

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:31 PM
 J. Daddy wrote:

Cool! I have an easy one: "Name the location of the last spike driven on the 3rd transcontinental Railroad, and where was the golden spike actually driven for this Railroad?" 

?  Wasn't UP first, NP second, and GN third?

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Posted by rrnut282 on Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:00 PM
WAG:  wilmar?
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Posted by J. Daddy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM
now your getting warm!
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:19 PM

Did the NP start with a Gold Spike ?

I think they started somewhere between the Twin Ports and the Twin Cities.

Hinckley ?

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Posted by J. Daddy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:15 PM
the last spike was in Gold Greek, Montana - correct, the golden spike was driven in what  city/state? Sorry for the confusion....
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:13 PM
 J. Daddy wrote:

LOL... no the location.... was in ........ ?

 

I posted that, Gold Creek MT.

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Posted by J. Daddy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:03 PM

LOL... no the location.... was in ........ ?

 

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:59 PM
1888 ?
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Posted by J. Daddy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:52 PM
correct and the golden spike was in .........?
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:17 PM
Northern Pacific, Gold Creek, MT ?
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Posted by J. Daddy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:07 PM
 rrnut282 wrote:

Well 1829 is earlier than the historical marker I was using that said, "The first railroad operated west of the Alleghenies, the Erie and Kalamazoo, was chartered on April 22, 1833 to connect Port Lawrence (later named Toledo) with the Kalamazoo River via Adrian. A horse-drawn car made the first trip from Toledo to Adrian on November 2, 1836, running on strap iron strips spiked to oak rails. "

So, if there was a train in 'bama in 1829, I'll have to give it to you.

 

 

 

Cool! I have an easy one: "Name the location of the last spike driven on the 3rd transcontinental Railroad, and where was the golden spike actually driven for this Railroad?" 

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:07 AM
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Well 1829 is earlier than the historical marker I was using that said, "The first railroad operated west of the Alleghenies, the Erie and Kalamazoo, was chartered on April 22, 1833 to connect Port Lawrence (later named Toledo) with the Kalamazoo River via Adrian. A horse-drawn car made the first trip from Toledo to Adrian on November 2, 1836, running on strap iron strips spiked to oak rails. "

So, if there was a train in 'bama in 1829, I'll have to give it to you.

By 1836, they were running Metroliners in NJ, weren't they?Wink [;)]

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