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Posted by doghouse on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:02 AM

 

Colombus, Ohio.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:23 AM

While we're all waiting, here's ane easy one. (Well I think it's easy, anyway....)

PRR 4800, the original GG1 is now sitting in the PA RR mueseum in Strassburg all decked out in the an early PRR paint scheme.

This locomotive was the underdog in a competition with another electric locomotive the PRR constructed.  In fact, this other locomotive wore #4800 during the competition period.

What was the "favorite" (PRR class and wheel arrangement.  Hint: It was a very popular modern steam loco wheel arrangement of which PRR had none)?  What number did the GG1 wear during the test period?  For extra credit:  Which RR provided the idea for the GG1's wheel arrangement.

This question expires at 3:30 EDT.  If no correct guesses - I'll provide!

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:58 PM

Time's up!

 The locomotive was the one and only R1, a 4-8-4 wheel arrangement - a "Northern" if it was a steam locomotive.  The PRR borrowed an NH EP-3 4-6+6-4 and used it as the basis for designing the GG1.  Still, they thought the home designed R1 was the better locomotive, so it got road number 4800 and the GG1 got 4899.  In testing the R1 was a bit faster, but the GG1 was much easier on the track.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:58 PM

Sorry, we've been away again for a couple of days (sometimes I think I work harder at vacations than I do otherwise).

Don named the city in one of the recent responses--it's in Ohio, and it isn't Columbus.  Now we need the name of the railroad.

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:49 PM
How about something like "Detroit-Toledo Short Line"

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:16 PM

No, that was the Detroit & Toledo Shore Line, and it was a Class 1 railroad at one point.  This railroad was only in (or near) Toledo.  It wasn't the Toledo Terminal Railroad.

I think I'm out of hints here.

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Posted by locomutt on Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:31 PM
Could this be in, or around Findlay, Oh.? Something to do with the Marathon Oil Refinery there?

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:47 PM
I think we can assume that the tank cars had to do with oil, but if this railroad wasn't in Toledo proper, it was very close to it--not as far as Findlay.

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:27 PM

It was the Bay Terminal Railroad. I must confess I had to do some searching of my '54 OG to find it.

They operated 5.68 miles of track connecting manufacturing companies in the vicinity of Toledo and owned 284 tank cars and one locomotive.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:30 PM

Mark's our winner!

I've never seen a photograph of a Bay Terminal tank car (let alone a live one--slightly too young!).  Wish I could!

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:49 PM

I've asked several questions recently so I'll defer and give my turn to someone else who hasn't had that opportunity. One requirement though: No ten part questions!

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:00 PM

Mark I have a quick question?

What railroad offred the most passenger train paint schemes in the streamline era and name them?

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:21 PM

After wracking my brains I want to say the NYC. If that's correct I'll take a stab at naming them.

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 12:27 AM

Sorry Mark No Cigar.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 12:42 AM

After posting the NYC another road came to mind. Was it the New Haven? If so someone else will have to name or describe the different color schemes. I think the the New Haven had a number of different colors but the only one I could name is the McGinnis era scheme.

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 6:46 AM

Still no cigar Mark

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 23, 2008 8:18 AM

I can't name them all, but I suspect SP.

And if that isn't it, perhaps it was the Monon Wink [;)].

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 8:31 AM

We have a winner it was SP and the schemes were Daylight, Lark, City, Overland, and Sunset. The Sunset scheme was the final one with all former equipment painted in the other schemes being repainted this scheme when it became necessary to repaint.

Good Job C Shaver your question

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:27 AM

Okay.  Not a ten-part question, but close:

We had a bit of discussion in a recent thread about Tama, Iowa, where the main lines of the Chicago & North Western and the Milwaukee Road crossed.  My question is simple.  Who can come up with eight locations east of Tama (four each in Iowa and Illinois) where MILW lines or operations crossed the CNW's east-west main line at one time? 

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 1:00 PM
 passengerfan wrote:

We have a winner it was SP and the schemes were Daylight, Lark, City, Overland, and Sunset. The Sunset scheme was the final one with all former equipment painted in the other schemes being repainted this scheme when it became necessary to repaint.

Good Job C Shaver your question

Al,

I've several questions about the SP streamliner color schemes.

How about the Golden State Ltd.? I rode it from Chi to El Paso in '56 and seem to recall it was silver and red but that may have been the same as the Sunset scheme which you listed? I don't know about the Sunbeam and the Hustler but have in the back of my mind that they may have been in the Daylight colors. Were the Cascade's colors the same as the Lark? Was the Overland scheme two tone gray and maybe black?

I dare say no cars of the City trains ever got repainted in Sunset colors. The UP would have had a hissy fit it they were anything other than armour yellow.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM
 CShaveRR wrote:

Okay.  Not a ten-part question, but close:

We had a bit of discussion in a recent thread about Tama, Iowa, where the main lines of the Chicago & North Western and the Milwaukee Road crossed.  My question is simple.  Who can come up with eight locations east of Tama (four each in Iowa and Illinois) where MILW lines or operations crossed the CNW's east-west main line at one time? 

Geez CS why don't you ask a difficult question. LOL, but I'll give it a try.

In IA: Cedar Rapids, De Witt, Belle Plains and Clinton. In IL: De Kalb, Rochelle, Maywood and Chicago. At Maywood the Milw Road actually ran over the B&OCT enroute to the connection with its former CTH&SE line to southern Indiana. I confess to having to search an old OG to come up with De Witt, Belle Plains and Rochelle.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PM

Not a bad start, Mark!  You've embarrassed me, because I completely forgot about using the IHB/B&OCT line to access the CTH&SE from Bensenville!  (Chicago, of course, was at Western Avenue.)

According to my SPV Railroad Atlas, Belle Plaine is incorrect--that was a CNW/CNW crossing.

So we need one more in each state.  The one in Illinois was grade-separated, and the one in Iowa was east of Cedar Rapids.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 4:25 PM
 CShaveRR wrote:

Not a bad start, Mark!  You've embarrassed me, because I completely forgot about using the IHB/B&OCT line to access the CTH&SE from Bensenville!  (Chicago, of course, was at Western Avenue.)

According to my SPV Railroad Atlas, Belle Plaine is incorrect--that was a CNW/CNW crossing.

So we need one more in each state.  The one in Illinois was grade-separated, and the one in Iowa was east of Cedar Rapids.

The other one in IL was at Elgin. Someone else will have to come up with the crossing in IA as I'm at a loss to name it.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 23, 2008 6:54 PM
No, Elgin isn't on the east-west CNW main line.  Go west, young man!

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 7:22 PM

 CShaveRR wrote:
No, Elgin isn't on the east-west CNW main line.  Go west, young man!

Well it was on the mainline to Freeport LOL. Ok how about Fulton, IL across the river from Clinton, IA.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 23, 2008 7:57 PM

Correct!  Actually, it's closer to East Clinton, but you're in the right locale. 

Since you've now gotten eight correct, Mark, you get the next question, because that's how many I asked for.  The ninth place, by the way, was Wheatland, Iowa, a short distance east of Lowden.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, May 23, 2008 8:42 PM

OK here's one for the steam buffs.

What flatland US railroad ran a fleet of 1915-24 vintage 2-8-8-0 mallets in mainline service well into the 1950's? At one time there were 24 such engines in their fleet and the last one was retired in 1953. The road was not a coal hauler and in fact transported far more oil and forest products than it did coal.

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Posted by J. Edgar on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:20 PM

the Katy(M-K-T) comes to mind....but cant recall if they had that many mallets

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Posted by Railway Man on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:49 PM

I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad.  Hauled some coal, too.

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Posted by KCSfan on Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:05 AM
 Railway Man wrote:

I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad.  Hauled some coal, too.

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It actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM.

With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.

Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.

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