Colombus, Ohio.
While we're all waiting, here's ane easy one. (Well I think it's easy, anyway....)
PRR 4800, the original GG1 is now sitting in the PA RR mueseum in Strassburg all decked out in the an early PRR paint scheme.
This locomotive was the underdog in a competition with another electric locomotive the PRR constructed. In fact, this other locomotive wore #4800 during the competition period.
What was the "favorite" (PRR class and wheel arrangement. Hint: It was a very popular modern steam loco wheel arrangement of which PRR had none)? What number did the GG1 wear during the test period? For extra credit: Which RR provided the idea for the GG1's wheel arrangement.
This question expires at 3:30 EDT. If no correct guesses - I'll provide!
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Time's up!
The locomotive was the one and only R1, a 4-8-4 wheel arrangement - a "Northern" if it was a steam locomotive. The PRR borrowed an NH EP-3 4-6+6-4 and used it as the basis for designing the GG1. Still, they thought the home designed R1 was the better locomotive, so it got road number 4800 and the GG1 got 4899. In testing the R1 was a bit faster, but the GG1 was much easier on the track.
Sorry, we've been away again for a couple of days (sometimes I think I work harder at vacations than I do otherwise).
Don named the city in one of the recent responses--it's in Ohio, and it isn't Columbus. Now we need the name of the railroad.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
No, that was the Detroit & Toledo Shore Line, and it was a Class 1 railroad at one point. This railroad was only in (or near) Toledo. It wasn't the Toledo Terminal Railroad.
I think I'm out of hints here.
Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!
It was the Bay Terminal Railroad. I must confess I had to do some searching of my '54 OG to find it.
They operated 5.68 miles of track connecting manufacturing companies in the vicinity of Toledo and owned 284 tank cars and one locomotive.
Mark
Mark's our winner!
I've never seen a photograph of a Bay Terminal tank car (let alone a live one--slightly too young!). Wish I could!
I've asked several questions recently so I'll defer and give my turn to someone else who hasn't had that opportunity. One requirement though: No ten part questions!
Mark I have a quick question?
What railroad offred the most passenger train paint schemes in the streamline era and name them?
After wracking my brains I want to say the NYC. If that's correct I'll take a stab at naming them.
Sorry Mark No Cigar.
Al - in - Stockton
After posting the NYC another road came to mind. Was it the New Haven? If so someone else will have to name or describe the different color schemes. I think the the New Haven had a number of different colors but the only one I could name is the McGinnis era scheme.
Still no cigar Mark
I can't name them all, but I suspect SP.
And if that isn't it, perhaps it was the Monon .
We have a winner it was SP and the schemes were Daylight, Lark, City, Overland, and Sunset. The Sunset scheme was the final one with all former equipment painted in the other schemes being repainted this scheme when it became necessary to repaint.
Good Job C Shaver your question
Okay. Not a ten-part question, but close:
We had a bit of discussion in a recent thread about Tama, Iowa, where the main lines of the Chicago & North Western and the Milwaukee Road crossed. My question is simple. Who can come up with eight locations east of Tama (four each in Iowa and Illinois) where MILW lines or operations crossed the CNW's east-west main line at one time?
passengerfan wrote: We have a winner it was SP and the schemes were Daylight, Lark, City, Overland, and Sunset. The Sunset scheme was the final one with all former equipment painted in the other schemes being repainted this scheme when it became necessary to repaint. Good Job C Shaver your question
Al,
I've several questions about the SP streamliner color schemes.
How about the Golden State Ltd.? I rode it from Chi to El Paso in '56 and seem to recall it was silver and red but that may have been the same as the Sunset scheme which you listed? I don't know about the Sunbeam and the Hustler but have in the back of my mind that they may have been in the Daylight colors. Were the Cascade's colors the same as the Lark? Was the Overland scheme two tone gray and maybe black?
I dare say no cars of the City trains ever got repainted in Sunset colors. The UP would have had a hissy fit it they were anything other than armour yellow.
CShaveRR wrote: Okay. Not a ten-part question, but close:We had a bit of discussion in a recent thread about Tama, Iowa, where the main lines of the Chicago & North Western and the Milwaukee Road crossed. My question is simple. Who can come up with eight locations east of Tama (four each in Iowa and Illinois) where MILW lines or operations crossed the CNW's east-west main line at one time?
Geez CS why don't you ask a difficult question. LOL, but I'll give it a try.
In IA: Cedar Rapids, De Witt, Belle Plains and Clinton. In IL: De Kalb, Rochelle, Maywood and Chicago. At Maywood the Milw Road actually ran over the B&OCT enroute to the connection with its former CTH&SE line to southern Indiana. I confess to having to search an old OG to come up with De Witt, Belle Plains and Rochelle.
Not a bad start, Mark! You've embarrassed me, because I completely forgot about using the IHB/B&OCT line to access the CTH&SE from Bensenville! (Chicago, of course, was at Western Avenue.)
According to my SPV Railroad Atlas, Belle Plaine is incorrect--that was a CNW/CNW crossing.
So we need one more in each state. The one in Illinois was grade-separated, and the one in Iowa was east of Cedar Rapids.
CShaveRR wrote: Not a bad start, Mark! You've embarrassed me, because I completely forgot about using the IHB/B&OCT line to access the CTH&SE from Bensenville! (Chicago, of course, was at Western Avenue.)According to my SPV Railroad Atlas, Belle Plaine is incorrect--that was a CNW/CNW crossing.So we need one more in each state. The one in Illinois was grade-separated, and the one in Iowa was east of Cedar Rapids.
The other one in IL was at Elgin. Someone else will have to come up with the crossing in IA as I'm at a loss to name it.
CShaveRR wrote:No, Elgin isn't on the east-west CNW main line. Go west, young man!
Well it was on the mainline to Freeport LOL. Ok how about Fulton, IL across the river from Clinton, IA.
Correct! Actually, it's closer to East Clinton, but you're in the right locale.
Since you've now gotten eight correct, Mark, you get the next question, because that's how many I asked for. The ninth place, by the way, was Wheatland, Iowa, a short distance east of Lowden.
OK here's one for the steam buffs.
What flatland US railroad ran a fleet of 1915-24 vintage 2-8-8-0 mallets in mainline service well into the 1950's? At one time there were 24 such engines in their fleet and the last one was retired in 1953. The road was not a coal hauler and in fact transported far more oil and forest products than it did coal.
the Katy(M-K-T) comes to mind....but cant recall if they had that many mallets
I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.
RWM
Railway Man wrote: I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.RWM
It actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM.
With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.
Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.
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