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Posted by al-in-chgo on Monday, May 26, 2008 7:38 PM

 

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Posted by KCSfan on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:19 AM

Al,

RWM was our last winner but he hasn't posted a question yet. For some reason I'm not getting notice of replies to topics I'm interested in. He may be experiencing the same trouble and not even know he was declared the winner. I'd say if he doesn't post a question by tonight feel free to ask one of your own.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:12 AM
Yeah, RWM's usually more of an answer guy... Wink [;)]

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Posted by Railway Man on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:54 AM
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I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad.  Hauled some coal, too.

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It actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM.

With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.

Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.

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North of DeQueen it's a mountain railroad -- Hatton Hill, Rich Mountain, and big bad hogbacks at Stillwell, Westville, Decatur, Gravette, and MhElhany.  Even south of Shreveport on the KCS proper there's a lot of sawtooths until you get down to DeQuincy.  L&A from Shreveport west had its worst hill at Hughes Springs -- both sides -- but otherwise was a rollercoaster.  Only on the L&A south of Shreveport would I consider that flat, except for the 1.25% up and over the bridge at Baton Rouge, and the abrupt climb from Bossier City up to Spring Street on the Cotton Belt. 

I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again.  Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head.  Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.

Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.

Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here. 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:13 AM

From prior post from RWM:  "Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here." 

Okay, I have one: 

According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? 

Enjoy!  - a.s.

 

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Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:07 PM

Just another WAG: 

I'm guessing they're a little out of date, so Pennsy and NYC.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:01 PM
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Just another WAG: 

I'm guessing they're a little out of date, so Pennsy and NYC.

The map is pretty up-to-date, as much as I can tell. 

HINT:  One of them is a Class One (modern).

 

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:45 PM
The Class One is NS, I think.  The other.... Ohio Central?

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:53 PM

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The Class One is NS, I think.  The other.... Ohio Central?

Sorry, no.  - a.s.

 

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Posted by ValleyX on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:34 AM
NS and R. J. Corman
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Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:53 AM

 ValleyX wrote:
NS and R. J. Corman

NS is correct but short lines aren't. 

HINT:  Actually this RR X'es the NS between Orrville and next town to the Northwest.

Keep tryin'! 

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:36 PM
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North of DeQueen it's a mountain railroad -- Hatton Hill, Rich Mountain, and big bad hogbacks at Stillwell, Westville, Decatur, Gravette, and MhElhany.  Even south of Shreveport on the KCS proper there's a lot of sawtooths until you get down to DeQuincy.  L&A from Shreveport west had its worst hill at Hughes Springs -- both sides -- but otherwise was a rollercoaster.  Only on the L&A south of Shreveport would I consider that flat, except for the 1.25% up and over the bridge at Baton Rouge, and the abrupt climb from Bossier City up to Spring Street on the Cotton Belt. 

I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again.  Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head.  Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.

Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.

Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here. 

RWM

RWM.

I agree that "flatland" was not a good adjective to use in describing the KCS. "Mid-American railroad" would have been much better but in the middle of the night that term didn't come to mind and I wanted to differentiate the KCS from the more mountanious roads which might have run 2-8-8-0's that I was not aware of. In thinking about it I can come up with only a few major railroads that could accurately be described as flatland: FEC, CGW, CNW, RI, M&StL, CStPM&O, etc. and I'm not even sure about all of them.

I think you'll agree that the KCS was not noted as a coal hauler in the sense that the N&W, C&O, VGN, WM, Clinchfield, etc. were. It was my intent to distinguish it from those roads which again might also have operated 2-8-8-0's.

Congrats on being the one who did know about the KCS' fleet of mallets.

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:52 AM
I cheated.  The two roads have intermigled blood lines.....

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:39 PM
 al-in-chgo wrote:
According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? 

Enjoy!  - a.s.

Technically, in order to correctly answer this one, one would have had to have seen (and memorized, because one can't go look!) the 2007-2009 Ohio Rail map! 

I know the answer because I looked at another map.  Don gave a pretty good hint!

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:37 PM
 CShaveRR wrote:
 al-in-chgo wrote:
According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? 

Enjoy!  - a.s.

Technically, in order to correctly answer this one, one would have had to have seen (and memorized, because one can't go look!) the 2007-2009 Ohio Rail map! 

I know the answer because I looked at another map.  Don gave a pretty good hint!

 

Yes, a good hint indeed.  Here are a couple of extra ones:

Although Orrville is in the more eastern, industrialized part of Ohio, Orrville itself is connected with a particular type of food. 

And the second line is a shortline, but it isn't headquartered in Ohio. 

Good luck! 

al

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:48 PM

Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline?  I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.

You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:15 PM
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Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline?  I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.

You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.

I'll double-check that and get back to you.  - a.s.

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:39 PM
 al-in-chgo wrote:
 CShaveRR wrote:

Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline?  I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.

You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.

I'll double-check that and get back to you.  - a.s. 

1) Yes, it is more of a regional system than a "short line"  -- but not a Class One.

2) This RR is headquartered in Brewster, Ohio, but the first word in the company's title refers to a town in another, contiguous state. 

Should be candy from a baby by now!   - a.s.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 30, 2008 9:36 AM
 al-in-chgo wrote:
 al-in-chgo wrote:
 CShaveRR wrote:
Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline?  I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.

You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.

I'll double-check that and get back to you.  - a.s. 

1) Yes, it is more of a regional system than a "short line"  -- but not a Class One.

2) This RR is headquartered in Brewster, Ohio, but the first word in the company's title refers to a town in another, contiguous state. 

Should be candy from a baby by now!   - a.s.

I also dropped a broad--one might even say "blunt"--hint in the first paragraph of my last response.  Pat and I drove through that other place on our trip a couple of weeks ago.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, May 30, 2008 5:33 PM

C'mon, guys, it isn't that difficult at this point!  - a.s.

 

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, May 30, 2008 8:23 PM
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C'mon, guys, it isn't that difficult at this point!  - a.s.

 

OK, the city that is the first word of the target rr line is in Whest Virginia. 

 

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Posted by J. Edgar on Friday, May 30, 2008 8:48 PM

Wheeling & Lake Erie

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 30, 2008 8:52 PM

Finally!

The home of Smuckers, and everyone was in a pickle.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, May 30, 2008 10:05 PM
 J. Edgar wrote:

Wheeling & Lake Erie

You win, J. Edgar.  Norfolk Southern and Wheeling & Lake Erie serve Orrville, OH. 

Congratulations, and it's your right to post the next question! 

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Posted by J. Edgar on Friday, May 30, 2008 11:06 PM
when the "Broadway Limited" was inaugurated in 1912 it had a Harrisburgh to Washington section.....this section was later extended to Chicago and given what name?
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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, May 30, 2008 11:21 PM

 J. Edgar wrote:
when the "Broadway Limited" was inaugurated in 1912 it had a Harrisburgh to Washington section.....this section was later extended to Chicago and given what name?

I thought Broadway Limited WAS the name. 

This isn't a trick question, is it? 

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Posted by J. Edgar on Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:23 PM
the Washington\Harrisburg section of the Broadway Limited was extended to Chicago and given a name.....a Washington\Chicago train that was an offshoot of the Broadway
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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:36 PM
General?

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Posted by J. Edgar on Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:17 PM
no not the General...this was a pre-WW1 train that lasted atleast 4 decades on its own....its roots can be traced to the 1912 Broadway Limited as a couple of Pullmans sleepers on a Harrisburg to Washington connection of the Broadway
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:05 PM

I do beleive the name was the Liberty Limited.

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