Al,
RWM was our last winner but he hasn't posted a question yet. For some reason I'm not getting notice of replies to topics I'm interested in. He may be experiencing the same trouble and not even know he was declared the winner. I'd say if he doesn't post a question by tonight feel free to ask one of your own.
Mark
Carl
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KCSfan wrote: Railway Man wrote: I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.RWMIt actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM. With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.Mark
Railway Man wrote: I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.RWM
I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.
RWM
It actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM.
With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.
Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.
I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again. Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head. Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.
Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.
Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here.
From prior post from RWM: "Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here."
Okay, I have one:
According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio?
Enjoy! - a.s.
Just another WAG:
I'm guessing they're a little out of date, so Pennsy and NYC.
rrnut282 wrote: Just another WAG: I'm guessing they're a little out of date, so Pennsy and NYC.
The map is pretty up-to-date, as much as I can tell.
HINT: One of them is a Class One (modern).
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
oltmannd wrote:The Class One is NS, I think. The other.... Ohio Central?
Sorry, no. - a.s.
ValleyX wrote:NS and R. J. Corman
NS is correct but short lines aren't.
HINT: Actually this RR X'es the NS between Orrville and next town to the Northwest.
Keep tryin'!
al
Railway Man wrote: North of DeQueen it's a mountain railroad -- Hatton Hill, Rich Mountain, and big bad hogbacks at Stillwell, Westville, Decatur, Gravette, and MhElhany. Even south of Shreveport on the KCS proper there's a lot of sawtooths until you get down to DeQuincy. L&A from Shreveport west had its worst hill at Hughes Springs -- both sides -- but otherwise was a rollercoaster. Only on the L&A south of Shreveport would I consider that flat, except for the 1.25% up and over the bridge at Baton Rouge, and the abrupt climb from Bossier City up to Spring Street on the Cotton Belt. I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again. Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head. Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here. RWM
North of DeQueen it's a mountain railroad -- Hatton Hill, Rich Mountain, and big bad hogbacks at Stillwell, Westville, Decatur, Gravette, and MhElhany. Even south of Shreveport on the KCS proper there's a lot of sawtooths until you get down to DeQuincy. L&A from Shreveport west had its worst hill at Hughes Springs -- both sides -- but otherwise was a rollercoaster. Only on the L&A south of Shreveport would I consider that flat, except for the 1.25% up and over the bridge at Baton Rouge, and the abrupt climb from Bossier City up to Spring Street on the Cotton Belt.
RWM.
I agree that "flatland" was not a good adjective to use in describing the KCS. "Mid-American railroad" would have been much better but in the middle of the night that term didn't come to mind and I wanted to differentiate the KCS from the more mountanious roads which might have run 2-8-8-0's that I was not aware of. In thinking about it I can come up with only a few major railroads that could accurately be described as flatland: FEC, CGW, CNW, RI, M&StL, CStPM&O, etc. and I'm not even sure about all of them.
I think you'll agree that the KCS was not noted as a coal hauler in the sense that the N&W, C&O, VGN, WM, Clinchfield, etc. were. It was my intent to distinguish it from those roads which again might also have operated 2-8-8-0's.
Congrats on being the one who did know about the KCS' fleet of mallets.
al-in-chgo wrote: According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? Enjoy! - a.s.
Technically, in order to correctly answer this one, one would have had to have seen (and memorized, because one can't go look!) the 2007-2009 Ohio Rail map!
I know the answer because I looked at another map. Don gave a pretty good hint!
CShaveRR wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? Enjoy! - a.s. Technically, in order to correctly answer this one, one would have had to have seen (and memorized, because one can't go look!) the 2007-2009 Ohio Rail map! I know the answer because I looked at another map. Don gave a pretty good hint!
Yes, a good hint indeed. Here are a couple of extra ones:
Although Orrville is in the more eastern, industrialized part of Ohio, Orrville itself is connected with a particular type of food.
And the second line is a shortline, but it isn't headquartered in Ohio.
Good luck!
Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.
You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.
CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.
I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s.
al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s.
1) Yes, it is more of a regional system than a "short line" -- but not a Class One.
2) This RR is headquartered in Brewster, Ohio, but the first word in the company's title refers to a town in another, contiguous state.
Should be candy from a baby by now! - a.s.
al-in-chgo wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional. You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s. 1) Yes, it is more of a regional system than a "short line" -- but not a Class One.2) This RR is headquartered in Brewster, Ohio, but the first word in the company's title refers to a town in another, contiguous state. Should be candy from a baby by now! - a.s.
al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional. You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s.
CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional. You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.
I also dropped a broad--one might even say "blunt"--hint in the first paragraph of my last response. Pat and I drove through that other place on our trip a couple of weeks ago.
C'mon, guys, it isn't that difficult at this point! - a.s.
al-in-chgo wrote: C'mon, guys, it isn't that difficult at this point! - a.s.
OK, the city that is the first word of the target rr line is in Whest Virginia.
Wheeling & Lake Erie
Finally!
The home of Smuckers, and everyone was in a pickle.
J. Edgar wrote: Wheeling & Lake Erie
You win, J. Edgar. Norfolk Southern and Wheeling & Lake Erie serve Orrville, OH.
Congratulations, and it's your right to post the next question!
J. Edgar wrote:when the "Broadway Limited" was inaugurated in 1912 it had a Harrisburgh to Washington section.....this section was later extended to Chicago and given what name?
I thought Broadway Limited WAS the name.
This isn't a trick question, is it?
I do beleive the name was the Liberty Limited.
Al - in - Stockton
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