KCSfan wrote: rrnut, Murphy, J. Edgar, Oltamannd and Al,Sorry for not replying to you sooner but I've been on the lake fishing all day and just got back home and on to the computer.It was not a Class I RR so that rules out the answers so far. To the best of my knowledge the road was not in bankruptcy but I can't say that as a certainty. It was in the deep south but did not operate in the state of Georgia.Mark
rrnut, Murphy, J. Edgar, Oltamannd and Al,
Sorry for not replying to you sooner but I've been on the lake fishing all day and just got back home and on to the computer.
It was not a Class I RR so that rules out the answers so far. To the best of my knowledge the road was not in bankruptcy but I can't say that as a certainty. It was in the deep south but did not operate in the state of Georgia.
Mark
East Tennessee & Western North Carolina?
You didn't say the line had to be standard gauge.
Not the Tweetsie Al and the RR was standard gauge.
In the southeast, not in GA, not a Class one...
Oh, boy.
Wood is expensive to prepare and handle, so it would have to be a road that where wood and wood processing was readily available. Also, would have to be light duty since that stuffs a pain to load.
Gotta be some shortline serving a paper mill. Port St. Joe? They even around in that era?
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Not a Louisiana RR and not The Port St. Joe which I believe was a nickname for the Appalachicola Northern. It did run in an area where pine firewood was in abundance but definitely was a common carrier not a logging or sawmill road and at one time had passenger service. To the best of my knowledge there was not ever a papermill on line that it served. It's been a fallen flag for 40+ years now.
KCSfan wrote: Not a Louisiana RR and not The Port St. Joe which I believe was a nickname for the Appalachicola Northern. It did run in an area where pine firewood was in abundance but definitely was a common carrier not a logging or sawmill road and at one time had passenger service. To the best of my knowledge there was not ever a papermill on line that it served. It's been a fallen flag for 40+ years now.Mark
The Norfolk Southern? Not the NS + Sou. merger of 1987, but the old Norfolk Southern??
Sorry Al still not cigar - not the original NS.
Reader RR
Sorry guys but it wasn't the Reader in AR or the L&NW which incidentally is not a fallen flag but continues to operate between McNeil, AR where it connects with the UP and its connection with the KCS at Gibsland, LA.
Looks like it's time for a hint so here it is. It was a Florida shortline railroad.
Well, if it wasn't Union Pacific, Missouri Pacific or Western Pacific, then it must be:
GEORGIA-PACIFIC!!
lol
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
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Well don't look at me for an answer. I've already made my asinine statement and am way out of the ballpark on serious. - a.s.
nanaimo73 wrote:Mark, I think you've stumpted us. Perhaps you could give us the answer and ask a new question.
CShaveRR wrote:The name Live Oak, Perry & Gulf jumped out at me--but I don't even know whether that was in Florida, and I'm not allowed to look it up!
Bingo, we have a winner! The LOP&G which was acquired by the Southern in 1954 and today is a part of the Florida-Georgia Railnet is the road I had in mind.
Since posting this question I have I've been trying, without success, to find the definitive date that the "Loping Gopher" last ran a wood burner. I do know it was at least 1948 and I believe, but can't confirm, that it was actually later than that. In the course of my research I learned that the Mississippi & Alabama did operate with a wood burning 2-6-2 until it folded up in March 1950. Thus the M&A which ran between Leaksville, MS and Vinegar Bend, AL may actually be the last road to run a wood burner. It's hard to believe that such a primitive operation was running at a time when streamliners were plying the rails and for those who may be interested in seeing some photos of it, search for Mississippi & Alabama Railroad on Google. You'll be amazed to see pictures of their engine and "mainline" rails.
OK--now I'll jump in with the question I had last week. I'm thinking of a railroad...
It was a small line, probably more of a terminal railroad than a short line. It owned hundreds of freight cars--and they were all tank cars, something rarely owned by railroads. The line was abandoned in 1955.
Name it, and its location (city name will do).
CShaveRR wrote: OK--now I'll jump in with the question I had last week. I'm thinking of a railroad...It was a small line, probably more of a terminal railroad than a short line. It owned hundreds of freight cars--and they were all tank cars, something rarely owned by railroads. The line was abandoned in 1955.Name it, and its location (city name will do).
I don't have a clue on this one. I thought that except for a few owned by the RR's to transport diesel fuel and water on-line, most tank cars were privately owned (GATX, UTLX, etc.).
I've just received some later info regarding my earlier question about the last road to run a wood burner that I'd like to share. I've been told by a source on another forum that the Marianna & Blounstown in Florida used a wood burner as a standby for their diesel engine up until 1952. If correct that would make it the last road to have a wood burner in service.
KCSfan wrote:I've just received some later info regarding my earlier question about the last road to run a wood burner that I'd like to share. I've been told by a source on another forum that the Marianna & Blounstown in Florida used a wood burner as a standby for their diesel engine up until 1952. If correct that would make it the last road to have a wood burner in service.
Sorry, I have no intention of retracting my question!
KCSfan wrote: CShaveRR wrote: OK--now I'll jump in with the question I had last week. I'm thinking of a railroad...It was a small line, probably more of a terminal railroad than a short line. It owned hundreds of freight cars--and they were all tank cars, something rarely owned by railroads. The line was abandoned in 1955.Name it, and its location (city name will do).I don't have a clue on this one. I thought that except for a few owned by the RR's to transport diesel fuel and water on-line, most tank cars were privately owned (GATX, UTLX, etc.).Mark
That was somewhat the point. I doubt that any of the larger carriers owned many more tank cars than this line did.
Very broad hint: on our vacation trip last week we visited Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. In doing so, we passed through this state--and city--twice.
Judging from the lack of even a WAG it looks like you've got us all stumped. I know I'm going to need another hint or two to stimulate my feeble brain.
How about some sort of railroad out of Oil City, PA? Can't think that I've ever heard of one there, but can't think of another possibility.
No, not in Pennsylvania. In what type of city are you likely to find terminal railroads?
(In fact, the city had another railroad named [city]Terminal--I can't remember whether the two interchanged.)
CShaveRR wrote: No, not in Pennsylvania. In what type of city are you likely to find terminal railroads?(In fact, the city had another railroad named [city]Terminal--I can't remember whether the two interchanged.)
Toledo OH?
Indianapolis Union?
Huntington, WV?
Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net.
[Just a note that I am fanning and won't have time for a while to post anything no matter how WAG. In the meantime, would you guys haul our your really, really tough guestions so you'll be forced to give easy ones later?]
-allen
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