Is it the North Coast Limited NP/CB&Q
or is it MILW's Columbian
How about the Alaskan or maybe the Portland Rose. It has to be a secodary train as none of the UP City streamliners ever operated with Tourist sleepers. And for everyones information some of the tourist sleepers operated had sixteen sections. It. also might have been the Exposition Flyer.
Al - in - Stockton
BINGO Ster1 wins!
It was the Milwaukee Road Trains No's. 17 and 18 which carried a single 14 sec. tourist sleeper between Chicago and Tacoma at least through the summer of 1954. Tourist sleepers continued to run later in Canada on several CP trains and on the CN's Continental Limited between Toronto and Vancouver. The last to run on the CN even had "kitchen facilities" for passengers to use, a feature which years earlier had been discontinues on those cars running on US roads.
Time for the next question, Ster.
Mark
Actually the Milwa\ukee Road operated Tourist sleepers under the name Touralux sleepers right up until the Olympian Hiawatha was discontinued in 1960. These cars were fourteen section sleepers built in the Milwaukee's own shops . Initially when the Olympian Hiawatha was inaugurated as a streamlined train their were two full 14 section Touralux sleepers and one 32 seat coach 8 section Touralux car the latter for women and children. The combination cars were rebuilt to full touralux cars and assigned to the Columbian until that train was discontinued in 1954. The Olympian Hiawatha operated with 14 section Touralux sleepers until its demise in 1960.Also the Milwaukee Road Touralux Sleepers were never operated by Pullman, they were always railroad operated as they were railroad built.
passengerfan wrote: Actually the Milwa\ukee Road operated Tourist sleepers under the name Touralux sleepers right up until the Olympian Hiawatha was discontinued in 1960. These cars were fourteen section sleepers built in the Milwaukee's own shops . Initially when the Olympian Hiawatha was inaugurated as a streamlined train their were two full 14 section Touralux sleepers and one 32 seat coach 8 section Touralux car the latter for women and children. The combination cars were rebuilt to full touralux cars and assigned to the Columbian until that train was discontinued in 1954. The Olympian Hiawatha operated with 14 section Touralux sleepers until its demise in 1960.Also the Milwaukee Road Touralux Sleepers were never operated by Pullman, they were always railroad operated as they were railroad built. Al - in - Stockton
I'm still trying to get my head around the term "tourist sleepers," whose meaning I apparently don't know as well as I thought I did. If they aren't sections, checkerboards or Slumber(Sleeper-)coaches, what were they?
This is just IMHO but I think ster1 should retain the right to post the next question. He was declared a winner by the question-poser and I don't think that should be taken away from him. I am glad passengerfan was able to add more info, so maybe if ster1 demurs he should get to post the next question.
Me, I'm in the soup. The questions up my sleeve are either way too easy or grotesquely difficult. Not that I've given up.
On April 24, 1955 the CPR inaugurated the Candian between Montreal/Toronto and Vancouver. For this new streamlined dome equipped train the CPR rebuilt a number of heavyweight tourist sleeping cars with stainless steel sides to match the Budd streamlined equipmnt and renamed them into the "U" series. Not only were they assigned to the Canadian but the secondary CPR trancontinental the Dominion. They lasted well into the early 1960's. On the same date April 24, 1955 the CNR introduced the Super Continental streamlners between Montreal/Toronto and Vancouver. The CN train was equipped with semi-streamlined Tourist Sleepers of the Point/Pointe series also the secondary transcontinental train the Continental carried tourist sleepers as well. They to were not withdrawn until the CPR withdrew there's. The reason for tourist sleepers in both of these new trains was that Canada was welcoming European immigrants all through this period and most immigrated to Canada on steamships of Cunard and Candian Pacific.
Perhaps I'm splitting hairs on this one but what I had in mind with this question was a Pullman tourist sleeper in the traditional sense. The consist of the Olympian Hiawatha as listed in the June 1954 OG includes "Touralux Sleeping Cars 14 Sections (A-15)" westbound and "(A-16)" eastbound. The consist of the Columbian is shown in the same issue of the OG as including "Tourist Sleeping Cars 14 Sections (K-17)" westbound and "(K-18)" eastbound. The underline emphasis was added by me to show the distinction in the equipment of the two trains as shown in the OG and why I was of the opinion that the Columbian carried a traditional tourist sleeper of the kind I had in mind. Passengerfan is absolutely correct in stating that the Olympian Hiawatha carried a Touralux Sleeper(s) right up to the trains discontinuance.
Passengerfan, if it's OK with you I'll still declare Ster1 the winner based on the distinction above, and since he identified the train I had in mind (rightly or wrongly) and also since this will be his first opportunity to participate and ask a question.
Al-in-Chicago, If you'll go back a few replies and read my rather feeble attempt to describe a Pullman tourist sleeper you may get a better idea as to what these cars were like.
I have no problem with Mark being declared the winner.
I meant to say no problem with Ster1 being the winner.
Thanks Mark
I have a 2 part question here.
What railroad was the first to employ steel rollerbearing on there steam locomotives and what was the company that made the bearings?
What I'm lookin for is the RR and Company name.
Ster1 wrote: Thanks Mark I have a 2 part question here.What railroad was the first to employ steel rollerbearing on there steam locomotives and what was the company that made the bearings?What I'm lookin for is the RR and Company name.
You DO know that the WAG'sters come out late at night, don't you?
Here's a WAG: B&O, Timken.
Al-in-Stockton,
I'd like to publicly compliment you on the detailed knowledge you possess and share with us all. I've learned a lot from the information, corrections, clarifications and amplifications that you post on this and other threads. I'm just a 76 year old geezer whose knowledge is based mostly on personal observations and my many train trips during the 1940's, 50's and 60's supplemented by the limited amount of reference material which I have at my disposal.
I've had a lifelong interest in railroads and learned a good bit about their operations when I worked for the Illinois Central as a steam locomotive fireman for two years beginning in 1950 during a break in my pursuit of a college degree in Mechanical Engineering. But much of my knowledge is dated and, unlike many of the younger participants in these forums, my ability to spot a diesel and tell its model ended with the GP-38 era.
I truly look forward to your messages and always learn something new from each and every one of them. I'm confident many others feel as I do and greatly appreciate the information you share with us.
Al you have it half right. Timken is the manufactur but the B&O was not the railroad.
keep trying.
I'm a Night Owl, and the best part of being up at night you see things in a whole new prospective. I would go into more detail but I don't want to bore everyone.
Ster1 wrote: Al you have it half right. Timken is the manufactur but the B&O was not the railroad. keep trying. . . .
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Timken was the manufacturer? Really? Lucky guess on my part.
And the customer???? New York Central??????
Was it the N&W?
I should have added that I assume you are referring to roller bearings on rod/crank pin connections and not on wheel axels. If you are not making a distinction between the two I might want to change my prior answer.
Ster1 wrote:Sorry Mark your right I should be more specific, roller bearings on axle wheels?
OK, now I'm torn between two railroads, the Santa Fe and the Milwaukee Road. If forced to name a single one I'll say the Milwaukee.
PRR?
Wabash?
Duluth, Missabe?
Detroit, Toledo and Ironton?
Grand Trunk?
Toledo, Peoria and Western?
Nope sorry none of those were it.
I'll give ya'll a hint.
this railroad was a fallen flag but now it isn't.
Ster1 wrote:Nope sorry none of those were it.I'll give ya'll a hint.this railroad was a fallen flag but now it isn't.
Possibly PanAm that's definitely a resurrected name from a fallen flag.
Wheeling and Lake Erie?
Dale has the answer I was lookin for, the Wheeling and Lake Erie.
However J. Edgar has a good point Timken did have a locomotive build to there specs, but I thought this locomotive was a demonstrator.
I don't know what railroad or railroads #1111 went to, but I assumed that it went to the W&LE. After reading fallen flag in Classic Trains (spring 2003), which is how I posed this question
Alright.
J. Edgar, would you happen to have a question for us?
Ster1 wrote: Dale has the answer I was lookin for, the Wheeling and Lake Erie. However J. Edgar has a good point Timken did have a locomotive build to there specs, but I thought this locomotive was a demonstrator.I don't know what railroad or railroads #1111 went to, but I assumed that it went to the W&LE. After reading fallen flag in Classic Trains (spring 2003), which is how I posed this question
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