rrnut282 wrote: Just another WAG: I'm guessing they're a little out of date, so Pennsy and NYC.
Just another WAG:
I'm guessing they're a little out of date, so Pennsy and NYC.
The map is pretty up-to-date, as much as I can tell.
HINT: One of them is a Class One (modern).
From prior post from RWM: "Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here."
Okay, I have one:
According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio?
Enjoy! - a.s.
KCSfan wrote: Railway Man wrote: I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.RWMIt actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM. With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.Mark
Railway Man wrote: I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.RWM
I can't recall how many 2-8-8-0s KCS had, or when they departed, but we can rule it out because it's no flatland railroad. Hauled some coal, too.
RWM
It actually was the KCS so you're the winner RWM.
With the exception of Rich Mountain in the Ouachitas and the hills between Siloam Springs and Neosho the KCS was a relatively flat road. I used the term "flatland " to distinguish it from the roads traversing the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians, etc. which were normally those that came to mind as mallet users. Also, in the days of steam coal was a minor part of the KCS' tonnage.
Some of the 2-8-8-0's were converted from compound to simple expansion in the 40's. Their tractive effort as simples was 147,220 pounds which was greater than that of the UP's Big Boys but, with low drivers their top speed was about 25 mph. On the run between Shreveport and DeQuincy, LA the KCS would often put 150 cars behind their drawbars and they'd walk away with the load.
Mark
I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again. Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head. Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.
Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.
Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
Al,
RWM was our last winner but he hasn't posted a question yet. For some reason I'm not getting notice of replies to topics I'm interested in. He may be experiencing the same trouble and not even know he was declared the winner. I'd say if he doesn't post a question by tonight feel free to ask one of your own.
the Katy(M-K-T) comes to mind....but cant recall if they had that many mallets
OK here's one for the steam buffs.
What flatland US railroad ran a fleet of 1915-24 vintage 2-8-8-0 mallets in mainline service well into the 1950's? At one time there were 24 such engines in their fleet and the last one was retired in 1953. The road was not a coal hauler and in fact transported far more oil and forest products than it did coal.
Correct! Actually, it's closer to East Clinton, but you're in the right locale.
Since you've now gotten eight correct, Mark, you get the next question, because that's how many I asked for. The ninth place, by the way, was Wheatland, Iowa, a short distance east of Lowden.
CShaveRR wrote:No, Elgin isn't on the east-west CNW main line. Go west, young man!
Well it was on the mainline to Freeport LOL. Ok how about Fulton, IL across the river from Clinton, IA.
CShaveRR wrote: Not a bad start, Mark! You've embarrassed me, because I completely forgot about using the IHB/B&OCT line to access the CTH&SE from Bensenville! (Chicago, of course, was at Western Avenue.)According to my SPV Railroad Atlas, Belle Plaine is incorrect--that was a CNW/CNW crossing.So we need one more in each state. The one in Illinois was grade-separated, and the one in Iowa was east of Cedar Rapids.
Not a bad start, Mark! You've embarrassed me, because I completely forgot about using the IHB/B&OCT line to access the CTH&SE from Bensenville! (Chicago, of course, was at Western Avenue.)
According to my SPV Railroad Atlas, Belle Plaine is incorrect--that was a CNW/CNW crossing.
So we need one more in each state. The one in Illinois was grade-separated, and the one in Iowa was east of Cedar Rapids.
The other one in IL was at Elgin. Someone else will have to come up with the crossing in IA as I'm at a loss to name it.
CShaveRR wrote: Okay. Not a ten-part question, but close:We had a bit of discussion in a recent thread about Tama, Iowa, where the main lines of the Chicago & North Western and the Milwaukee Road crossed. My question is simple. Who can come up with eight locations east of Tama (four each in Iowa and Illinois) where MILW lines or operations crossed the CNW's east-west main line at one time?
Okay. Not a ten-part question, but close:
We had a bit of discussion in a recent thread about Tama, Iowa, where the main lines of the Chicago & North Western and the Milwaukee Road crossed. My question is simple. Who can come up with eight locations east of Tama (four each in Iowa and Illinois) where MILW lines or operations crossed the CNW's east-west main line at one time?
Geez CS why don't you ask a difficult question. LOL, but I'll give it a try.
In IA: Cedar Rapids, De Witt, Belle Plains and Clinton. In IL: De Kalb, Rochelle, Maywood and Chicago. At Maywood the Milw Road actually ran over the B&OCT enroute to the connection with its former CTH&SE line to southern Indiana. I confess to having to search an old OG to come up with De Witt, Belle Plains and Rochelle.
passengerfan wrote: We have a winner it was SP and the schemes were Daylight, Lark, City, Overland, and Sunset. The Sunset scheme was the final one with all former equipment painted in the other schemes being repainted this scheme when it became necessary to repaint. Good Job C Shaver your question
We have a winner it was SP and the schemes were Daylight, Lark, City, Overland, and Sunset. The Sunset scheme was the final one with all former equipment painted in the other schemes being repainted this scheme when it became necessary to repaint.
Good Job C Shaver your question
I've several questions about the SP streamliner color schemes.
How about the Golden State Ltd.? I rode it from Chi to El Paso in '56 and seem to recall it was silver and red but that may have been the same as the Sunset scheme which you listed? I don't know about the Sunbeam and the Hustler but have in the back of my mind that they may have been in the Daylight colors. Were the Cascade's colors the same as the Lark? Was the Overland scheme two tone gray and maybe black?
I dare say no cars of the City trains ever got repainted in Sunset colors. The UP would have had a hissy fit it they were anything other than armour yellow.
I can't name them all, but I suspect SP.
And if that isn't it, perhaps it was the Monon .
Still no cigar Mark
Al - in - Stockton
After posting the NYC another road came to mind. Was it the New Haven? If so someone else will have to name or describe the different color schemes. I think the the New Haven had a number of different colors but the only one I could name is the McGinnis era scheme.
Sorry Mark No Cigar.
After wracking my brains I want to say the NYC. If that's correct I'll take a stab at naming them.
Mark I have a quick question?
What railroad offred the most passenger train paint schemes in the streamline era and name them?
I've asked several questions recently so I'll defer and give my turn to someone else who hasn't had that opportunity. One requirement though: No ten part questions!
Mark's our winner!
I've never seen a photograph of a Bay Terminal tank car (let alone a live one--slightly too young!). Wish I could!
It was the Bay Terminal Railroad. I must confess I had to do some searching of my '54 OG to find it.
They operated 5.68 miles of track connecting manufacturing companies in the vicinity of Toledo and owned 284 tank cars and one locomotive.
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