This is just a guess - the Atlantic Limited. Hope I'm right because I have a good passenger train question in mind.
Mark
The name train on the route between Montreal and St. John was the -------- LTD. At St. John it connected with the CP Ferry across the Bay of Fundy where the Dominion Atlantic (A CPR subsidiary) RDC carried passengers to Halifax. The train -ferry - train service was actually just as fast as the all train route of the CN Ocean between Montreal and Halifax. The Alouette operated Montreal to Boston.
Al - in - Stockton
Al,
I thought the eastern train would have run between from Montreal to St. John but I don't know of a name train that ran on that route. So if not on the St. John route or the Alouette how about the Red Wing?
Mark you got one of two the Dominion is correct and one of the most interesting trains of its time to enter service. The Dominion operated with one each of all of the new Budd car types interspersed with heavyweight cars. Many of the heavyweight cars had been modernized with thermopane windows, newly refurbished interiors and of course received new Maroon paint. It may have looked funny having the stainless steel streamlined Budd cars mixed with the heavyweight Maroon cars but in some ways was a much classier train then the Canadian.
PS the Alouette is incorrecto.
passengerfan wrote: Besides the new Canadian which other two CP trains benefitted with Budd built cars at the same time as the Canadians introduction? One ran east from Montreal the other west and was also a transcontinental?Al - in - Stockton
Besides the new Canadian which other two CP trains benefitted with Budd built cars at the same time as the Canadians introduction? One ran east from Montreal the other west and was also a transcontinental?
Would those two be the Dominion and the Alouette?
I do beleive the name was the Liberty Limited.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
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J. Edgar wrote:when the "Broadway Limited" was inaugurated in 1912 it had a Harrisburgh to Washington section.....this section was later extended to Chicago and given what name?
I thought Broadway Limited WAS the name.
This isn't a trick question, is it?
al
J. Edgar wrote: Wheeling & Lake Erie
Wheeling & Lake Erie
You win, J. Edgar. Norfolk Southern and Wheeling & Lake Erie serve Orrville, OH.
Congratulations, and it's your right to post the next question!
Finally!
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al-in-chgo wrote: C'mon, guys, it isn't that difficult at this point! - a.s.
C'mon, guys, it isn't that difficult at this point! - a.s.
OK, the city that is the first word of the target rr line is in Whest Virginia.
al-in-chgo wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional. You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s. 1) Yes, it is more of a regional system than a "short line" -- but not a Class One.2) This RR is headquartered in Brewster, Ohio, but the first word in the company's title refers to a town in another, contiguous state. Should be candy from a baby by now! - a.s.
al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional. You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s.
CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional. You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.
You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.
I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s.
1) Yes, it is more of a regional system than a "short line" -- but not a Class One.
2) This RR is headquartered in Brewster, Ohio, but the first word in the company's title refers to a town in another, contiguous state.
Should be candy from a baby by now! - a.s.
I also dropped a broad--one might even say "blunt"--hint in the first paragraph of my last response. Pat and I drove through that other place on our trip a couple of weeks ago.
al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.I'll double-check that and get back to you. - a.s.
CShaveRR wrote: Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.You'll have to tell me about its headquarters, Al--I was under the impression that they were in Ohio.
Wouldn't the second line be considered more of a regional than a shortline? I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast delineation between the two, but WE think it's a regional.
CShaveRR wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? Enjoy! - a.s. Technically, in order to correctly answer this one, one would have had to have seen (and memorized, because one can't go look!) the 2007-2009 Ohio Rail map! I know the answer because I looked at another map. Don gave a pretty good hint!
al-in-chgo wrote: According to the 2007 - 2009 Ohio Rail Map, what railroads serve Orrville, Ohio? Enjoy! - a.s.
Enjoy! - a.s.
Technically, in order to correctly answer this one, one would have had to have seen (and memorized, because one can't go look!) the 2007-2009 Ohio Rail map!
I know the answer because I looked at another map. Don gave a pretty good hint!
Yes, a good hint indeed. Here are a couple of extra ones:
Although Orrville is in the more eastern, industrialized part of Ohio, Orrville itself is connected with a particular type of food.
And the second line is a shortline, but it isn't headquartered in Ohio.
Good luck!
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Railway Man wrote: North of DeQueen it's a mountain railroad -- Hatton Hill, Rich Mountain, and big bad hogbacks at Stillwell, Westville, Decatur, Gravette, and MhElhany. Even south of Shreveport on the KCS proper there's a lot of sawtooths until you get down to DeQuincy. L&A from Shreveport west had its worst hill at Hughes Springs -- both sides -- but otherwise was a rollercoaster. Only on the L&A south of Shreveport would I consider that flat, except for the 1.25% up and over the bridge at Baton Rouge, and the abrupt climb from Bossier City up to Spring Street on the Cotton Belt. I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again. Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head. Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here. RWM
North of DeQueen it's a mountain railroad -- Hatton Hill, Rich Mountain, and big bad hogbacks at Stillwell, Westville, Decatur, Gravette, and MhElhany. Even south of Shreveport on the KCS proper there's a lot of sawtooths until you get down to DeQuincy. L&A from Shreveport west had its worst hill at Hughes Springs -- both sides -- but otherwise was a rollercoaster. Only on the L&A south of Shreveport would I consider that flat, except for the 1.25% up and over the bridge at Baton Rouge, and the abrupt climb from Bossier City up to Spring Street on the Cotton Belt.
I think if the 2-8-8-0s hauled 150 loads south from Shreveport they had to be pretty careful about where they stopped -- there's a lot of momentum grades there and if you got that kind of tonnage stopped in the wrong place I don't think they'd get started again. Especially on wet rail with a worn-out head. Good place to rip the entire end off a car when the engine slipped and grabbed.
Steam coal was a non-entity on KCS back then but KCS hauled a lot of domestic coal out of mines in the Spiro area and, a very large quantity from Pittsburg-area mines up to Kansas City.
Anyway, all y'all go ahead without me -- I'm out on the road most of this week so I'll be not much fun here.
RWM
RWM.
I agree that "flatland" was not a good adjective to use in describing the KCS. "Mid-American railroad" would have been much better but in the middle of the night that term didn't come to mind and I wanted to differentiate the KCS from the more mountanious roads which might have run 2-8-8-0's that I was not aware of. In thinking about it I can come up with only a few major railroads that could accurately be described as flatland: FEC, CGW, CNW, RI, M&StL, CStPM&O, etc. and I'm not even sure about all of them.
I think you'll agree that the KCS was not noted as a coal hauler in the sense that the N&W, C&O, VGN, WM, Clinchfield, etc. were. It was my intent to distinguish it from those roads which again might also have operated 2-8-8-0's.
Congrats on being the one who did know about the KCS' fleet of mallets.
ValleyX wrote:NS and R. J. Corman
NS is correct but short lines aren't.
HINT: Actually this RR X'es the NS between Orrville and next town to the Northwest.
Keep tryin'!
oltmannd wrote:The Class One is NS, I think. The other.... Ohio Central?
Sorry, no. - a.s.
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