Lord Atmo wrote: look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha
It's simple, really. I don't know about anyone else, but I get tired about reading posts that make reference to "Omahaha," "Crash 9's," "SD60Fat***es," "Patching America" and every other stupid thing you reference on here.
If you really enjoy being a railfan, POST SOMETHING POSITIVE for once in your life. You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again, so if that's what railfanning is to you, I suggest taking up collecting stamps, cooking exotic cuisine, crocheting or some other hobby that isn't going to cause you grief every day of your existence.
I dread the thought of any UP thread ever coming up. No matter how intelligent the discussion is, it's bound to wind up in a deluge of anti-UP hatred that is simply amazing to me.
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
Your friendly neighborhood CNW fan.
i know, but the track near you sees more action than mine. daytime trains for one thing. and the WC odd power (anything that isnt an SD45). i mean i'm glad i have SD40-2s instead of SD60Fatasses sure, but it'd be nice to see them when the sun's still out.
but that's not UP's fault.
i mean i've considered patched units to still be CNWs, but that didnt fly with rrpicturearchives.net at all. if i have to call them "UP", then they're dead to me. but 3042 is just insulting any way you look at it. same with 9087.
look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha
Dan
I'll defer this to someone else...
I have no response. None.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
if UP wants to slap their logos on CNWs, they should have the decency to repaint them. nothing is more insulting than going to altoona and seeing that horrid 3042 leading a train. it's the biggest insult UP can throw at me. a CNW with a UP shield on the nose. that's just sick. the day it finally gets repainted will be so relieving for me
sure they did 1995, but i heard from a proviso employee that they dont like sending ACEs up the adams sub. so i'll never see it again anyway!
i'm sorry, but i cant sympathize for the older guys with the steam era in their past. every last museum has steam on display. green bay has a BIG BOY for crying out loud! there's plenty of places you can go to see steam in action. but nowhere to go if it's CNW you want
Oh crap....
I bet he would've gotten a wave had he put a penny on the tracks!
But the most important question of all:
did anyone wave?????
WIAR wrote:Guys, let's not get out-of-hand here, and even if it doesn't make any difference, I do apologize to the UP employees who are obviously on the forum (or at least some very ardent supporters). I should indeed have titled my rant in a more appropriate way. While I still am annoyed by the reply I received, it certainly didn't rise to the level of my complaining in a formal manner to UP management, president, etc. I was myself in a bad mood when I got the reply from a manager who may very well have been in a bad mood too, and possibly for better reasons. Right now, I don't bear the guy any grudge - I was blowin' off steam and I didn't word things the way I should have. I didn't want nor expect my gripe to ignite a forum fight and have things between participants get to the point of exchanging insults, and that goes for me too with the buncha jerks comment. Let's all simmer down.
Too little...too late, but I agree with the sentiment that everybody settle down and move on to another (more worthy) subject.
Lord Atmo wrote: zugmann wrote:And there is your recruiter for the Omahaha h8trz club.... perhaps he has an application handy? fixed
zugmann wrote:And there is your recruiter for the Omahaha h8trz club.... perhaps he has an application handy?
fixed
Please don't ever change my posts like that. To me, a man's words are one of the few things he can call his own. So please don't alter mine.
It is a company - a business. they own CNW - so why wouldn't the slap their logo on those engines?
But they did do the CNW SD70ACE...more than other roads would do.
Poppa_Zit wrote: WIAR wrote:In fairness & accuracy, it does not indict the entire company of 50,000+ employees, if you read the original text. The company can't possibly be composed solely of management personnel and still be as successful as they have been.When someone says "I hate UP" how else can that be interpreted?"I hate how one UP employee allegedly mistreated me" would be more accurate.
WIAR wrote:In fairness & accuracy, it does not indict the entire company of 50,000+ employees, if you read the original text. The company can't possibly be composed solely of management personnel and still be as successful as they have been.
When someone says "I hate UP" how else can that be interpreted?
"I hate how one UP employee allegedly mistreated me" would be more accurate.
what PZ said...
WIAR,
To comprehend your original post it may have been helpful if you would have written the word-per-word response from UP without revealing the manager's name or the location of the items.
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
it's not that i want CNW back. i only care about their locomotives because i saw those in my past. i only want 1 or CNW locomotives back. that's all. i don't need the whole company back. just 1 or 2 locomotives i can photograph and enjoy. i'm left with not a single picture because i was too young to take any at the time. and then my decade of isolation prevented me of saying goodbye to CNW. my last chance was 8575 and i failed. it was right there in altoona and i wasnt alerted. i could have seen it and gotten one last hurrah of CNW. but then Hinkle had to screw up and kill it off.
i can't get over any of this until i see a CNW locomotive and get its picture
If you despise the UPRR so much why not send the exchanges to the Prez of the UPRR in Omaha NE instead of posting your rant here? I'm sure he will want to know that one of his employees lacks CS skills
WIAR wrote: Not that I have anything against the train crews or the other blue-collar folks the UP employs (they're great guys), but as far as their management goes, I'm now a proud member of the UP Dislikers Club.Not going to drop any names here - no need for that.I was over by one of the several UP yards in the Twin Cities area late this past Sat. afternoon (I was early for a dinner engagement and thought I'd snap a few photos from the public access road). I took a few shots and on the way back to the car I noticed a couple old UP property signs along with some other junk tossed in the ditch near the ROW, and close enough to the tracks for them to still legally be on UP property. It was obvious the junk had been discarded and from the looks of the signs they'd been there a while. Nevertheless I let them be - I'm no thief (I'm sure security cameras were watching even if I were).Instead I sent an e-mail to a UP manager for the area from their corporate web-site, explaining exactly where the signs were and I made an offer to buy them, not really expecting the offer would be accepted. I figured it'd cost nothing to ask - heck it's only junk, right? I framed the inquiry in friendly and courteous terms.The e-mail answer I got back this morning was terse, blunt and rude, and left me with the impression that just about every comment I've ever heard from people about UP management bein' a buncha jerks were dead on the money.
Not that I have anything against the train crews or the other blue-collar folks the UP employs (they're great guys), but as far as their management goes, I'm now a proud member of the UP Dislikers Club.
Not going to drop any names here - no need for that.
I was over by one of the several UP yards in the Twin Cities area late this past Sat. afternoon (I was early for a dinner engagement and thought I'd snap a few photos from the public access road). I took a few shots and on the way back to the car I noticed a couple old UP property signs along with some other junk tossed in the ditch near the ROW, and close enough to the tracks for them to still legally be on UP property. It was obvious the junk had been discarded and from the looks of the signs they'd been there a while. Nevertheless I let them be - I'm no thief (I'm sure security cameras were watching even if I were).
Instead I sent an e-mail to a UP manager for the area from their corporate web-site, explaining exactly where the signs were and I made an offer to buy them, not really expecting the offer would be accepted. I figured it'd cost nothing to ask - heck it's only junk, right? I framed the inquiry in friendly and courteous terms.
The e-mail answer I got back this morning was terse, blunt and rude, and left me with the impression that just about every comment I've ever heard from people about UP management bein' a buncha jerks were dead on the money.
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
I changed the title of the post - hope you like it better.
In the interest of Fairness and Accuracy:
Since documentation to back up this claim isn't being provided, it is grossly unfair to UP.
The charges allegations therefore mean nothing and the thread should have never happened. It indicts a company of over 50,000 employees because of the alleged actions of one employee. Action of which no proof exists.
But, it did once again bring out the best in some people.
samfp1943 wrote: CopCarSS wrote: Atmo,No offense, man, but have you ever made a post on this board where you weren't complaining about how the CNW is gone forever? I miss them too, but if you are so bent on not seeing them, you're not going to see what's around now.I wuld say it's kind of like when steam departed and a good chunk of the railfans missed some really cool first generation diesels because they weren't steam.Just my to help you make the most of your hobby.I think you got this one nailed, Chris... Such negativity[Atmo's] can do no good, and is far from being able to find a constructive solution to any issue. The CNW was an interesting study of a company that had many problems and many fine points. The problem was that they seemed to be constantly having problems which they could not resolve, and so were wide open to being either picked up for their assets or abandoned[a la MILW]. Even the corporate sale to its employees was not a salvation. The historical battle between coproprate rail management, and the practical , boots on the ballast employees, was indicative of some of the labor-management problems voiced by WIAR, who also seems to have continuing issues with his own co-workers. It has got to be really problematic for someone to go to work everyday, and do a job that outwardly he seems to espouse such latent negativity about his work environment.
CopCarSS wrote: Atmo,No offense, man, but have you ever made a post on this board where you weren't complaining about how the CNW is gone forever? I miss them too, but if you are so bent on not seeing them, you're not going to see what's around now.I wuld say it's kind of like when steam departed and a good chunk of the railfans missed some really cool first generation diesels because they weren't steam.Just my to help you make the most of your hobby.
Atmo,
No offense, man, but have you ever made a post on this board where you weren't complaining about how the CNW is gone forever? I miss them too, but if you are so bent on not seeing them, you're not going to see what's around now.
I wuld say it's kind of like when steam departed and a good chunk of the railfans missed some really cool first generation diesels because they weren't steam.
Just my to help you make the most of your hobby.
I think you got this one nailed, Chris... Such negativity[Atmo's] can do no good, and is far from being able to find a constructive solution to any issue. The CNW was an interesting study of a company that had many problems and many fine points. The problem was that they seemed to be constantly having problems which they could not resolve, and so were wide open to being either picked up for their assets or abandoned[a la MILW]. Even the corporate sale to its employees was not a salvation.
The historical battle between coproprate rail management, and the practical , boots on the ballast employees, was indicative of some of the labor-management problems voiced by WIAR, who also seems to have continuing issues with his own co-workers. It has got to be really problematic for someone to go to work everyday, and do a job that outwardly he seems to espouse such latent negativity about his work environment.
samfp1943:
Please note I said "mid-to-upper-management" in my own work-place, not my "co-workers". Believe me, there's a big difference.
From a customer service standpoint, a courteous reply would have been the norm, but perhaps, WIAR you probably caught the one guy who was having a bad day for whatever reason.
Unfortunately, from a customer, or even public standpoint, one employee's attitude can make or break a relationship with a customer, or alter the public's perception of a company. You know how it goes: we are more likely, as consumers, to spread the word about bad service, then we are about good service, that's just the way it goes.
Lord Atmo wrote:what part of UP do you hate? UP railroad or UP corporation? i only hate the latter. Omahaha is the main reason behind almost everything UP has done to ruin any chance i had at reliving my beloved CNW past
Atmo...
Dude... ya gotta get over it, okay? I used to love watching the CNW work at Proviso Yard (I grew up a mile from there), and watching the slow freights through Elmhurst... The BN, ICG, and CNW are some of my earliest railroad memories.....but they're gone. And there isn't anything I can do about it. The UP didn't buy the CNW to spite you.
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