Lord Atmo wrote: ... simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? ...
... simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? ...
Ruined, you say! Wow. Life goes on for most of us.
I know you don't. The problem for me is that your rationale, if it can be so characterized, offends my sensibilities. The merger, with all the ostensible benefits to both corporations, ought not to have been permitted because you don't like the paint jobs on what is left? I hope you have a better argument than that tucked away someplace.
WIAR wrote: Lord Atmo:Is there a specific EMD unit-type you're looking for? Maybe I can dig something up outta my archives, which, naturally, aren't digital images but I could borrow you the neg(s). I snapped a lot of CNW when I lived in Cedar Rapids for 6 years, most right after I heard about UP killing your dreams and I figured I'd better get 'em while I could out at Beverly Yard.
Lord Atmo:
Is there a specific EMD unit-type you're looking for? Maybe I can dig something up outta my archives, which, naturally, aren't digital images but I could borrow you the neg(s). I snapped a lot of CNW when I lived in Cedar Rapids for 6 years, most right after I heard about UP killing your dreams and I figured I'd better get 'em while I could out at Beverly Yard.
SD40-2, SD50, and SD60
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Lord Atmo wrote: call it what you want. because of omaha, i can never railfan my favorite railroad.but i AM a teenager. i'm 19!
call it what you want. because of omaha, i can never railfan my favorite railroad.
but i AM a teenager. i'm 19!
Yikes!
I thought the waving thread was idiotic, but this must be the evil twin. UP is a great stock to own, in part because they are mighty good at railroading. By most standards that equates to a successful railroad. I think UP is great, and even more so because they did those heritage units.
P.S. UP crews wave all the time! One finger or five it still counts!
This whole "UP ruined my life" thing is sounding pretty childish.
As does the phrase "hating on," which is used by teenagers.
Time to grow up!
It's true. Can't argue sense with the senseless.
Time to move on.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
doesnt matter. UP forced CNW to buy them and they even paid for them. CNW simply ran them under their paint. but they're not CNWs by any means. not pure ones
safety cabs are only good for crews. and it's a good thing i want an SD40-2 as a static display at some museum. so that's not even a problem
i cant even accept CNW to be gone when UP wont let it die peacefully. sure they finally dropped royalties, but they're still using CNW power in their ugly paint. the only reason i can tolerate them is because i just pretend they were never CNW to begin with and it doesnt upset me. but i dont want to have to keep that up
They aren't real CNW? If it has CNW reporting marks on it - then it is a real CNW.
Have to love those widecabs... A/C is great!
there's another problem. aside from me never seeing crash 9s in my past or me hating any safety cabs. but remember how CNW bought those things. UP assumed 51% of CNW at the time and FORCED them to buy the crash 9s and AC44s. technically they arent real CNWs. i've seen 8646 in altoona 4 times. recently even. it does nothing for me. i dont choose to be picky about what type of unit i want to see, i have to go by what will make me feel like i'm 4 again from seeing it.
if anything, i'm worried that the duo is slowing down chances to get stuff donated. fans arent trying to see to it that an SD40-2 gets to IRM when they can fan the crash 9s.
i do enjoy 1995 very much though. i see it as UP apologizing to me
Lord Atmo wrote: Willy2 wrote: Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problemYou live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?i dont have gas money. and what good would seeing those do for my problem?
Willy2 wrote: Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problemYou live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?
Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem
ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units
why do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem
You live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?
i dont have gas money. and what good would seeing those do for my problem?
Well, I know that you have a very specific type of locomotive that you want to see, but I would think that the heritage unit and the unpatched units would count as something. Be glad there are two unpatched CNW engines left in mainline service, whether they meet your specifications or not.
Willy
Lord Atmo wrote:ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problemoh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.
oh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.
They didn't ruin your past. One corporate entity bought another one. Of ocurse they painted or logo'd the engines... that's what you do when you buy a company. Are there sprint fans that whined when embarq put the new logos on the trucks? (wait, there probably are!)
Lord Atmo wrote: i understand you miss EL, WIAR, but i have heard that there's an EL SD45 preserved somewhere. i think Ohio. did you see those in your past at all?
i understand you miss EL, WIAR, but i have heard that there's an EL SD45 preserved somewhere. i think Ohio. did you see those in your past at all?
Definitely - I distinctly remember the outline of the SD45s, especially one I saw on the lead running long-hood forward through Decatur. It wasn't often I saw EL low-nose hoods running that way on the lead. The preserved unit I think was in Missouri last I heard.
CopCarSS wrote: Lord Atmo wrote: look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omahaIt's simple, really. I don't know about anyone else, but I get tired about reading posts that make reference to "Omahaha," "Crash 9's," "SD60Fat***es," "Patching America" and every other stupid thing you reference on here. If you really enjoy being a railfan, POST SOMETHING POSITIVE for once in your life. You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again, so if that's what railfanning is to you, I suggest taking up collecting stamps, cooking exotic cuisine, crocheting or some other hobby that isn't going to cause you grief every day of your existence.I dread the thought of any UP thread ever coming up. No matter how intelligent the discussion is, it's bound to wind up in a deluge of anti-UP hatred that is simply amazing to me.
Lord Atmo wrote: look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha
It's simple, really. I don't know about anyone else, but I get tired about reading posts that make reference to "Omahaha," "Crash 9's," "SD60Fat***es," "Patching America" and every other stupid thing you reference on here.
If you really enjoy being a railfan, POST SOMETHING POSITIVE for once in your life. You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again, so if that's what railfanning is to you, I suggest taking up collecting stamps, cooking exotic cuisine, crocheting or some other hobby that isn't going to cause you grief every day of your existence.
I dread the thought of any UP thread ever coming up. No matter how intelligent the discussion is, it's bound to wind up in a deluge of anti-UP hatred that is simply amazing to me.
I have to agree. I don't know what UP ever did (and I am sure someone will tell me....please, let's not go there) to engender such a reaction. I spent quite a few years of my youth hanging out along the ICG...... Chicago Central took them over, and then IC bought it back, and now it's CN. Am I supposed to hate CN now? I mean after all, because of "them" the orange and white no longer chuffs along through Hillside, and part of my past has been removed.....Oh geez...will you get over yourself, Atmo? They didnt' ruin my past... you can't ruin a past, the past is the past, and it is what it is. You know what? I still have the great memories of summers as a young kid chasing trains. It was the best, I miss it, but then, time, and life, go on. So to blame the UP for "ruining your past" is about....well, I'll just leave it now. Like CopCarSS said....find something positive about railfanning, or find another hobby.
Hearing about how one railroad or the other is reviled around here, gets a little old.
Because there's no reason to hate Omaha, that's why people don't understand. I really don't know why you feel that Union Pacific "ruined the past of people like me". It's like you think the UP merged with CNW for the sole purpose of destroying your life. I guarantee you, they didn't.
Lord Atmo wrote:what's your point?
Shhhh...don't tell anyone, but it's all a big conspiracy, and they are all out to get you. There's a covert organization dedicated to the eradication of any and all CNW paint, especially on EMD spartan cab locomotives destined for Altoona...
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
magicman710 wrote:I do credit UP for having the heritage schemes. At least they did something.....
Lord Atmo wrote: oh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.
I believe that SD40T was takin in to be patched, I read it in a railfan magazine. It was working in a town called Helper, Utah, right? If so, It was patched.
EDIT: Just checked on the internet, apperently 5371 will be saved. I credit UP with that too.
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Poppa_Zit wrote: Eola Jim is right. Too late. You wouldn't need to backpeddle like this if you had thought about the possible ramifications before hitting the "post" button to begin this thread.
Eola Jim is right. Too late. You wouldn't need to backpeddle like this if you had thought about the possible ramifications before hitting the "post" button to begin this thread.
Whatever.
Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD, 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units, and 1518 is in an ancient scheme
Let's not forget the fact that none of them run through Altoona, either.
WIAR wrote:Guys, let's not get out-of-hand here, and even if it doesn't make any difference, I do apologize to the UP employees who are obviously on the forum (or at least some very ardent supporters). I should indeed have titled my rant in a more appropriate way. While I still am annoyed by the reply I received, it certainly didn't rise to the level of my complaining in a formal manner to UP management, president, etc. I was myself in a bad mood when I got the reply from a manager who may very well have been in a bad mood too, and possibly for better reasons. Right now, I don't bear the guy any grudge - I was blowin' off steam and I didn't word things the way I should have. I didn't want nor expect my gripe to ignite a forum fight and have things between participants get to the point of exchanging insults, and that goes for me too with the buncha jerks comment. Let's all simmer down.
There's a Alco S-1 in CNW paint at the museum in Green Bay for those of you still mourning the demise of that railroad 12 years ago. Illinois Railway Museum has a full double-deck commuter train with locomotives.
zugmann wrote: But the most important question of all: did anyone wave?????
But the most important question of all:
did anyone wave?????
Do we always have to bring up my thread again and again? I think what Bergie told me was right, that post had a mind of its own and nobody was at fault.
I do credit UP for having the heritage schemes. At least they did something..... I would however prefer they had left a real CNW or WP engine in real paint schemes. The Rio Grande scheme looks totally different that the actual one.
CopCarSS wrote: You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again
You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again
you can't prove that!
and stamp collecting is boring. i have several other hobbies FYI. and most of them are in big slumps too
look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha
Because it's like you are taking the merger as a personal affront, like UP singled you out personally.
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