Add me to the UP dislikers club

[Lord Atmo]

i'm sorry...i really dont care at all about 8646 or 8701. you like them? great. i'm happy for you. but they dont mean much to me.

[oskar]

First of all. CN&W has 2 engines left, I would take that anyday. I would take that in a second, one is better than zero(example CSX 4617). You can't blame UP for everything, thats just like blaming Hank Aaron for the Braves losing last week against Houston, and he hasn't played for 25-30 years. UP has a ex SP switcher that I saw 8 years ago that is still the same way. Just happens that hasn't seen a paint shop in a long while. Just the way it is. I was not yet born when Southern and Seaboard roamed around here. I am just glad to see 4610 and 4617 around the system or since Wick got the F-units, I would like to see 4270 here again(April 2008). Can't have everything in life. If we did, oh boy.

Just had to post this an give out my .

Kevin

[n012944]

ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units

I am not sure why I am posting this, as it seems like it will fall on deaf ears, but the IRM also has a CNW GP7 in CNW paint,  Its both an EMD and a freight unit.

[Andrew Falconer]

Atmo called grow the HECK UP.  You remind me of a kid that has had EVERYTHING handed to him on a SLIVER PLATTER THEN ALL OF SUDDEN IS THROWN TO THE REAL WORLD AND GETS A WAKE UP CALL when they find out what the real world is like.  Try living my life never knowing when I will end up on the floor with a seizure.  I had to give up almost everything I love in order to do this and lost everything I had twice now yet I keep coming back for more.  The CNW was a small RR and was going to be bought out sooner or later by someone GET OVER IT.

Actually for a while there between 1920-1959 the UNION PACIFIC and the CHICAGO & NORTH WESTERN were equal partners. C&NW took over railroads like Chicago, Minneapolis & Omaha, Chicago Great Western, and Minneapolis and St. Louis. The only reason CNW was "small" in the 1990's was the large amount of abandoned tracks due to competition from short haul trucking. You might want to check the back and forth history of the two railroads.

By the Way, the best way to good health is emotional support from relatives, but that is not likely in these days.

Andrew

[Lord Atmo]

Atmo called grow the HECK UP.  You remind me of a kid that has had EVERYTHING handed to him on a SLIVER PLATTER THEN ALL OF SUDDEN IS THROWN TO THE REAL WORLD AND GETS A WAKE UP CALL when they find out what the real world is like.  Try living my life never knowing when I will end up on the floor with a seizure.  I had to give up almost everything I love in order to do this and lost everything I had twice now yet I keep coming back for more.  The CNW was a small RR and was going to be bought out sooner or later by someone GET OVER IT.

this issue was done and finished before your post. you saw that, didnt you? and i hardly would describe seeing a railroad at work "getting stuff on a silver platter". it's more like.....watching trains. look i made a promise i wasnt gonna whine anymore. and i have to keep that. so now that you know i'm done, everyone please stop attacking me

[edblysard]

Ok everybody...Group wave time...

 

[zugmann]

Yeah.. it's a tough job.  But someone has to do it!  Blowing the horn kind of loses its appeal after the 3,000th grade xing. 

 

 

[magicman710]

Ahhh, a conductor, thats a boring job isnt it?

Zugmann: "Wah wah, I dont get to blow the horn, wah wah!!!"

[zugmann]

Wrong side of the cab - but I will still wave! 

[magicman710]

Someone needs a wave....

 

  (don't get mad.. just a joke!)

I beleive your a engineer.... Will you give me a wave next time I wave at you while I'm video taping your train?

[coborn35]

I like trains.

[zugmann]

Someone needs a wave....

 

  (don't get mad.. just a joke!)

[magicman710]

I have never understood this of people on this forum.... I here all the time on here about "maturity" and "growing up" on here. People on here love to point out the kids and teens of these forums, for whatever reason I dont know. What I think is this: People saying "This is my last post on this thread" or "Im dont with this thread". You know what? To me, saying that is very immature and childish. If you want to quit, just forget it and dont post anymore, dont announce it. And, if you create a thread, if you dont like it, just dont post. I see hundreds of negative posts on all these forums, its like youtube. If you dont have anything better to say, dont say it at all. I see so many negative posts on here, just dont post them! If you dont like the thread, ignore it and move on, nobody probably wants to here what you have to say.

My I'm not trying to make enemies here, Im just trying to tell people what a kid thinks of some of the stuff they do, which is alot more immature than what I see many kids here do.

[Anonymous]

You know it's a good thing red is in UP's paint scheme.  That way when any of you UP loyalists and "company men" stick a pin in your finger you can bleed the corporate colors.  Yes, the CNW is gone and nobody can restore it, but to go as far the other way in this debate about defending UP's honor when it's insulted borders on disturbing.  Like any company, Union Pacific is a company.  It's not your family no matter how you slice it.  You can work for it, you can like working for it, you can even prefer to work there rather than anywhere else and if so then more power to you, but in the end you are a resource to the corporation, and they are your employer - nothing else.  Company loyalists have always been a bit worrisome to me - they're the ones that make others watch their backs.  Sooner or later, the day may come when that beloved corporation of your's tells you they don't want you as a member of the "family" anymore - you've outlived your usefulness.  Would you tell your dad that because he's 93 and needs help to/from the toilet that because he's no longer useful to you, he's no longer your dad?  No, but any employer could.  And yes - that's happened to me once in my 23 years as a software engineer and there was no union there to back up me or the other 100+ employees who got whacked at the same time (though the severance was a blessing).

This is it for me on this thread.

[Poppa_Zit]

Okay, I'm done.

Everyone has tried talking sense here....but....well, it does not appear to be having an effect on a certain person.  Bowing out before it gets more preposterous.

Zug said it best..... 

It's true.  Can't argue sense with the senseless.

Time to move on.  

Yes. Me, too. From now on I'll try to carry on discussions only with railfans who are not living with their parents.

[edbenton]

Atmo called grow the HECK UP.  You remind me of a kid that has had EVERYTHING handed to him on a SLIVER PLATTER THEN ALL OF SUDDEN IS THROWN TO THE REAL WORLD AND GETS A WAKE UP CALL when they find out what the real world is like.  Try living my life never knowing when I will end up on the floor with a seizure.  I had to give up almost everything I love in order to do this and lost everything I had twice now yet I keep coming back for more.  The CNW was a small RR and was going to be bought out sooner or later by someone GET OVER IT.

[Anonymous]

actually i need to give this one some thought......

can i at least keep my avatar? that one's not supposed to be against UP, just why i dislike SD60Ms

I suggest that you do join the C&NW Historical Society.  I was once a member, and I buy their magazine often.  My interest focused on the M&StL, and they cover that line as much as they can.  Maybe change your avatar to C&NW. 

But I think there is no point in lamenting what has been lost in the world of railroading.  The list is endless.  It ought to be consoling that such a massive body of books, documents, illustrations, diagrams, photographs, and hardware (including locomotives and rolling stock) survive and are preserved to tell the story of what the railroad industry has lost.  So at least what is lost is not easily forgotten. 

And just because it is gone does not mean that it cannot live on in one's focus of interest.  After all is said and done, the whole experience is in only in the mind.  Some people model railroads that disappeared decades ago.  Other people make paintings.  These attempts to recreate a lost era are especially facilitated by the massive body of documentation that fortunately survives.

My interest began in the then-present era of 1960.  I could sense the age of steam, but it was gone, and I deeply regretted being born too late.  Then I was pulled back into the 1930-1950 era and lived it vicariously through books, photographs, and other forms of study.  And then I was pulled way back into the 1880-1900 era, which I found to be impossibly rich.  I looked at old newspapers on microfilm, bought historical books, researched company records, and ran ads in small town newspapers offering to buy old photographs.  I found that lost world and made it a part of me.

 

      

 

[Lord Atmo]

oh i've been trying to devise a little plan to get one donated. i know who all to email about it and everything and i'm waiting for the right time to step forward and do this.

but for now, i have ALS to keep me happy. something i overlooked in my rantings. and i need to go see them some day. i dont know where they are though. just somewhere in chicago

[Anonymous]

Lord Atmo:

Is there a specific EMD unit-type you're looking for?  Maybe I can dig something up outta my archives, which, naturally, aren't digital images but I could borrow you the neg(s).  I snapped a lot of CNW when I lived in Cedar Rapids for 6 years, most right after I heard about UP killing your dreams and I figured I'd better get 'em while I could out at Beverly Yard. 

SD40-2, SD50, and SD60

Oh I definitely have the -2's, and possibly some of the SD50s and SD60s, but certainly the SD40-2's.  I can go through them and I'll e-mail you to see about lending them out.  When Conrail grudgingly accepted the EL into their deal at the last minute and then ripped-up the "Friendly Service Route", I hated Conrail's guts to no end.  It wasn't until after Conrail managed to divest itself of some of the old cronies and good old boy middle management who ran the PC into the toilet (which wasn't hard to do since the PC was half in the toilet to begin with when the PRR & NYC merged) that they managed to make a success out of the operation, but the ill-feelings still lingered a while. 

Then, after all that, I decided to resurrect the EL.  The Wisconsin & Iowa was the knight in shining armour that bought the EL from the jaws of Conrail for its wide ROWs and comparative lack of major urban areas to traverse between Port Jervis and Chicago (perfect for high-speed stackers and TOFC after we rehabilitated the route).  The WIAR also merged-in the CGW to gain direct access to Chicago, and for the Des Moines - Oelwein - St. Paul line.  At this moment two EL GP35s are idling in the WIAR East Iron Mountain Yard (yes we're in Michigan too), ready for the march to Dubuque.  We never decided to drop the EL or CGW logos or liveries - the heritage of those employees that worked those lines are preserved through the colors and the insignias.  The WIAR can afford the paint.  Because after all, it's not the corporate emblem that carries the freight and keeps the customers happy - it's the people (even the management sometimes) that make it work.

[Erie Lackawanna]

Atmo,

There is a man in Portland, Oregon who dreamed of seeing a Nickel Plate PA1 run again... something he remembered from his younger days.

For decades he held on to that dream.

Today, he is rebuilding a PA1 unit (actually a slightly modified PA4 rebuild, but who can tell?).  The unit is being painted in full Nickel Plate colors.

My point?

You are 19.  Set yourself a goal of saving and reviving a CNW SD40-2 by the time you are, say, 35?  Too long?  Take a closer age.

Doesn't matter if you don't know how you are going to do it yet, just know you are going to do it.  Start looking into it and making plans.

I know, I'm sounding like a guidance counselor, but I honestly believe you can do it if you just decide right now that you are going to do it.

[Lord Atmo]

actually i need to give this one some thought......

can i at least keep my avatar? that one's not supposed to be against UP, just why i dislike SD60Ms

i need to fan the ALS. oh lord do i never need to fan the ALS...

[CopCarSS]

$30.00 is steep for me anyway. my money is where my other hobbies come into play. i'm a collector of sorts. but of a few toylines. so i cant shell out that money

if the CNWHS was actually going to try and restore an SD40-2 or something, i'd be interested. but the CNWHS focuses on CNW as the company it was. and i only care about CNW locomotives. and only ones of the types i saw in my past. in a sense, i care only about my past moreso than CNW

I wasn't joking when I said I'd pay for you. It appears you'd rather keep whining, though.

[Lord Atmo]

i looked into it. one of my friends is a member of the HS. and he knows me very well and honestly said it wasnt gonna be something i would be into. i paged through a few NWL issues. didnt do it for me. though the 8575 article made me very sad.

$30.00 is steep for me anyway. my money is where my other hobbies come into play. i'm a collector of sorts. but of a few toylines. so i cant shell out that money

if the CNWHS was actually going to try and restore an SD40-2 or something, i'd be interested. but the CNWHS focuses on CNW as the company it was. and i only care about CNW locomotives. and only ones of the types i saw in my past. in a sense, i care only about my past moreso than CNW

[TimChgo9]

Okay, I'm done.

Everyone has tried talking sense here....but....well, it does not appear to be having an effect on a certain person.  Bowing out before it gets more preposterous.

Zug said it best..... 

It's true.  Can't argue sense with the senseless.

Time to move on.  

[CopCarSS]

well i'll stop hating them when they stop running ex-CNWs. because then i can just forget all about CNW hopefully and just enjoy myself with the GEVOs, ACEs, SD70Ms, and AC44s.

Atmo,

Seriously...have you looked into joining the CNW Historical Society like I suggested every time you start on one of your Anti-UP tirades. If the CNW means that much to you, and you are that desperate to relive the halcyon days of your youth, a historical society is probably the closest you will ever get. Here's the link. Yearly dues are $28. If you can't afford that, I'll pay for your first year if you promise to quit whining about the UP and your lost childhood.

[Lord Atmo]

well i'll stop hating them when they stop running ex-CNWs. because then i can just forget all about CNW hopefully and just enjoy myself with the GEVOs, ACEs, SD70Ms, and AC44s.

[CopCarSS]

not the city, i refer to the UP corp's HQ in omaha. which is also referred to as omaha

I realize that. Of course, I also realize that Corporate Management is also inseperably tied to Corporate Identity. So, despite your protestations otherwise, it is impossible to hate Union Pacific management in Omaha without hating at least a part of the entity that is the Union Pacific. Of course, we would have never guessed that you disliked any part of the UP......

[Lord Atmo]

like i said. it's not UP i hate, it's omaha. THEY'RE the ones who made UP do what they did

The Union Pacific is just a puppet of the City of Omaha?

not the city, i refer to the UP corp's HQ in omaha. which is also referred to as omaha

Ruined, you say!  Wow.  Life goes on for most of us.

I know you don't.  The problem for me is that your rationale, if it can be so characterized, offends my sensibilities.  The merger, with all the ostensible benefits to both corporations, ought not to have been permitted because you don't like the paint jobs on what is left?  I hope you have a better argument than that tucked away someplace.

not ruined for those who took pictures

the merger was fine. but they didnt need to kill off all of CNW's locomotives. you dont see CN having problems with WC, GTW, DMIR, and IC power getting lost all the time. UP could've afforded to keep an SD40-2 around. heck, they seem to have no problems keeping those GE scrap heaps running

[Midnight Railroader]

well what did you expect?

A little maturity, until I read your age. Your lack of ability to handle English well was a strong hint, however.

But, hey, someday, you'll grow up and stop being so personally affected by a business merger whose only effect on you is that trains painted in a certain color scheme are no longer operated.

[CopCarSS]

like i said. it's not UP i hate, it's omaha. THEY'RE the ones who made UP do what they did

The Union Pacific is just a puppet of the City of Omaha?