Add me to the UP dislikers club

[Lord Atmo]

i did but the thread came back

[Gluefinger]

Or...you could move on and not repost your same "rules" over and over again... 

 

looks like they're all repainted. thanks for the info though. but i think at this point, my best solution is in several parts. i'm gonna:

- as i said before, pretend all repainted ex-CNWs were never CNW to begin with

- avoid any and every patched spartan cab at all costs

- move on to fan a new railroad. i'm trying to negotiate a deal with my parents to allow me to pay a monthly trip down to Alma and fan the BNSF all day. it's less frequent than my daily UP runs, but the number of trains more than makes up for it 

perhaps more even. i'm figuring out new ways to enjoy the hobby

[Lord Atmo]

looks like they're all repainted. thanks for the info though. but i think at this point, my best solution is in several parts. i'm gonna:

- as i said before, pretend all repainted ex-CNWs were never CNW to begin with

- avoid any and every patched spartan cab at all costs

- move on to fan a new railroad. i'm trying to negotiate a deal with my parents to allow me to pay a monthly trip down to Alma and fan the BNSF all day. it's less frequent than my daily UP runs, but the number of trains more than makes up for it 

perhaps more even. i'm figuring out new ways to enjoy the hobby

[nanaimo73]

Lord Atmo-

5 ex C&NW GP35s are in Ontario, 825, 836, 841, 843 and 864. These are now INCO GP38M-4 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008.

http://www.trainweb.org/incorail/roster/2004.html

[Lord Atmo]

 dont forget the horn on both of them. although 2990's doesnt look like a CNW or UP horn

and i said cab with no UP alterations, not pilot with no UP alterations

[nanaimo73]

2990 has a spartan cab with no UP alterations. 

Isn't the "coffee can" receptacle above the far ditch light a UP modification ?

And what about the ditch lights ?

[Lord Atmo]

eh 2990 has a spartan cab with no UP alterations. 8701 has a harbor mnist grey plow and an armour yellow A/C though

[da Milwaukee beerNut]

Here's the image:

CNW 8701 and CNW 2990 

2990 looks better

 

Both keen schemes - but 8701 has NO armour yellow - just its original colors!  Good to see them side-by-side! The traffic jam due to the lack of crews at Adams [between Butler (Milwaukee) and the Twin Cities] has really got traffic clogged up. 

[Lord Atmo]

ah here's the image:

CNW 8701 and CNW 2990 

2990 looks better

[coborn35]

Okay, I'm done.

Everyone has tried talking sense here....but....well, it does not appear to be having an effect on a certain person.  Bowing out before it gets more preposterous.

Zug said it best..... 

It's true.  Can't argue sense with the senseless.

Time to move on.  

Yes. Me, too. From now on I'll try to carry on discussions only with railfans who are not living with their parents.

I resent that.

You mean, you resemble that.

TOUCHE!

[Lord Atmo]

ah but you forget that it'll one day be repainted and when that day comes, i will have no problems calling it "UP".

i honestly believe referring to patches by different reporting marks shouldn't bother anyone. it's certainly not whining on forums endlessly. and it keeps me happy. so ya know, why dislike it? i'm finding my way to still enjoy the hobby. and if this is what works best, so be it.

bummer about 862. but 7009 looks even more CNW than 862 did anyway. and i have ALS. and i spent all of yesterday just looking at 2990's front side. even after 8701 showed up 

[Gluefinger]

and no i will not refer to 2990 as "UP"

Then you haven't moved on. Hope is lost. 

[nanaimo73]

 GP35- i was not aware any ex-CNW ones were still around. i would not have a problem with seeing one be preserved
 

Are DMVW still operating their 324 (837), (325) 856 and (326) 862, which were CNW 800s ?

that is a good question. i wasnt aware of those units at all. i couldnt find any pictures of them on rrpicturearchives. so i dont know their status i'm afraid

This is from LocoNotes-

When I was up on the north end in 2005, the DMVW 862 was in the Crosby
engine house getting a winter's long paint job. I can only assume it's
still operating as the 862. The 324 was stored on the South end and out
of service, then. The 856 had been sold to an elevator in Forman, ND
and was still opeating then as well.

[Poppa_Zit]

Why is it that Union Pacific and the now-defunct Milwaukee Road elicit such incredibly strong and not always rational emotional responses?  I've really never noticed anything quite like it related to other roads.

 

According to the research and numbers offered by Mr. Sol, the MILW could have made it, if not for inept management.  They had the traffic and the route.  But the mgmt seemed more concerned on cashing out, taking every cent they could from the operation.  And I believe that is why people are so passionate about the MILW. 

Ah, but if it were only that simple.

Without going into needless details, management made some decisions to enhance the appeal of the MILW, which in hindsight turned out to be poor decisions because no other railroad was interested in merging with or acquiring the Milwaukee Road.

In an effort to make its finances more attractive to a possible merger or acquisition partner, some of the infrastructure was allowed to deteriorate. To save more money, the MILW also sold off some of its rolling stock and then leased it back to further burnish the financials. The neglected trackage began to slow down trains and delivery times. Then with revenues sagging, the railroad struggled to find enough funds to lease enough cars to handle the customers it had.

But if at any time during this period another railroad would have acquired or merged with the Milwaukee, it might still be around and its management would have been heralded as geniuses. They followed the playbook on polishing a company's financial reports to make it more attractive.

But no one "cashed out, taking every cent from the operation".

[WSOR 3801]

Why is it that Union Pacific and the now-defunct Milwaukee Road elicit such incredibly strong and not always rational emotional responses?  I've really never noticed anything quite like it related to other roads.

 

According to the research and numbers offered by Mr. Sol, the MILW could have made it, if not for inept management.  They had the traffic and the route.  But the mgmt seemed more concerned on cashing out, taking every cent they could from the operation.  And I believe that is why people are so passionate about the MILW. 

[Lord Atmo]

Remenber this when you hate it does not harm those that you hate but only yourself and friends who have to deal with you.Hate causes High blood pressure,which leads to heart attacks,which leads to death , which leads to pain for those left to mourn for you. Forgive and move on.

i have no refute. you have me pinned, friend. you're right. since i care more about my life (and all human life as well really) than CNW locomotives, perhaps extreme hate is not a good idea in the end.either way, i made a deal with copcarSS and i never break promises. so with that said, i had a happy moment in Altoona today. i think this picture will better explain things

i was able to take this picture at just the right angle so that 2990's intrusive cab patch was hidden behind 3236. this shot perfeclty replicates my past and present side-by-side. i felt like i was 4 again after so long. and no i will not refer to 2990 as "UP"

[zugmann]

Sigh...

 It is just PAINT.  In the end - a railroad is a railroad.  All pretty much the same, no matter what color the engines are. 

[Poppa_Zit]

Remenber this when you hate it does not harm those that you hate but only yourself and friends who have to deal with you.Hate causes High blood pressure,which leads to heart attacks,which leads to death , which leads to pain for those left to mourn for you. Forgive and move on.

Wow! Didn't know that.

Thanks, doctor.

[yougottawanta]

Remenber this when you hate it does not harm those that you hate but only yourself and friends who have to deal with you.Hate causes High blood pressure,which leads to heart attacks,which leads to death , which leads to pain for those left to mourn for you. Forgive and move on.

[AntonioFP45]

Nanaimo,

Your comment about CSX is right on for those of us here in the southeast.  Even with some of the infrastructure problems the SCL did an overall decent job of running Amtrak's long distance trains on time between New York and Florida back in the late 70s-early 80s.  In more cases than not, Amtrak schedules received priority.   From what I have read, a number of SCL's dispatchers and managers were around during the pre-Amtrak period. These guys took some pride in making certain that the "varnish" ran on time.  

Fast forward to today.  There are fewer trains on this route yet reports of late runs are no longer surprises.   Those old timers are gone and CSX's current CEO has openly expressed terse opinions regarding passenger service over their rails.  What can we expect? 

 

 

[nanaimo73]

Why is it that Union Pacific and the now-defunct Milwaukee Road elicit such incredibly strong and not always rational emotional responses?  I've really never noticed anything quite like it related to other roads.

I would say any bitterness on this forum directed at the Milwaukee Road, or Montana, is actually for Michael or Dave. This forum would be a lot more interesting if other fallen flags had knowledgeable strong supporters like the CMSP&P has in Michael.

In the Yahoo groups, the CMSP&P list is terrific, while the CRI&P list is pretty quiet and the EL list may as well be dead.

There is a lot of bitterness or this forum for CN and CSX as well. Both railroads seem to have too many accidents, and CSX seems unable of running Amtrak on time. 

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Why is it that Union Pacific and the now-defunct Milwaukee Road elicit such incredibly strong and not always rational emotional responses?  I've really never noticed anything quite like it related to other roads.

[enr2099]

Tyler, actually there is still a handful of spartan cab CN SD40-2s left. The 5378 was down here recently.(as in a 2 or 3 weeks).

Alec

 

You're right Alec, I forgot about the ex-UP SD40-2's. 

[EJE818]

Ok, there are only 3 patched CNW SD40-2s left? I am going to have to keep tabs on those and see them before they get UP yellow. I know on UP 2990 you can read CNW on the front, it UP patch on the front is missing. It is getting a bit beat up but thats what you expect from an engine that hasn't been painted for a long time. Only 32 patched CNWs left, wow, that isn't that many. At least they are planning to keep the 8646 and 8701 unpatched. They may be Dash 9s, but they are still the last unpatched CNWs left and once those are gone, it will truely be a end of an era.

[da Milwaukee beerNut]

I for one hope that the remaining ex-CNW units have a nice long life running on former CNW lines, because with all the new power the UP has been getting and the recent marshalling up of a lot of UP's other SD40-2s I begin to wonder if these units are going to be around much longer. So my advice is- enjoy it, photograph every one you see and remember- THIS IS A HOBBY.

And in that vein I would like to report that I saw two patched ex-UP SD 40-2's (one had that CNW bell on the nose, I think) heading to Horicon on WSOR's Chicago to Horicon daily.  I think that SD 40-2 was such a good loco that the UP will likely sell most of them to other railroads, rather than retire them.  WSOR is running all SD 40-2 sets on those Chicago trains, and it is a nice thing to see if you've got a little nostalgia running in the veins.  Reminds me of the Milwaukee in Hartland, WI back when I was a kid.  Only difference is that the WSOR keeps their locos looking nice and neat, while the Milwaukee's you could see through if they passed the sun in the wrong light.

I have also noticed some really beat up SD 40-2 CNW's in Butler yard in Milwaukee.  They must be working the loco pool between Butler and the Twin Cities. 

Solz, Nordique (+ others not requiring Ex-Lax should one of 111 nose bells cross your path):

WSOR acquired former UP 3186 and 3753 at the most recent auction; neither has CNW roots. This pair wore retirement black patches - not CNW/UP.

Of the 132 CNW SD40's assimilated to the UP roster, as of earlier this week 111 remain on the rails! New CNW units were delivered between 3/74 and 11/76 - they're all 30 years old! CNW number crunchers 111/135 [3 retired] = 82.2% still in service!

3 units, 2990, 3028, and 3042, are still in patched paint - the other 108 wear Armour Yellow.

A recent trace showed 650 active or stored UP system SD40-2's [UP + CNW + SP + MKT originals ≈ 1200]; 54% are still available. Some will disappear in 2 auctions scheduled 9/6 in St. Louis and 9/20 in Little Rock (perhaps 60-80? - lists are not yet available)

BNSF [ATSF & BN] at one time had 1000 of these; no data on how many remain in active or stored-ready service.

Gone are the days when 4-6 matched units would pull a manifest before your camera so the kiddies could practice counting to 100 - but 40-2's will be around for some time to come.

For those who may enjoy viewing/hunting the 32 remaining CNW patched units:

http://www.fuzzyworld3.com/3um/viewtopic.php?t=673

[Lord Atmo]

i think the hug should probably come before the lax. heh

[da Milwaukee beerNut]

But often it's SD40-2s. the problem there is they're all ex-CNW. and it just makes me so sad to see those CNWs running in UP paint. I'm not trying to whine here or anything. All I get up here is ex-CNW power. and i don't know how to cope with that - it makes me so sad. How can i move on with all of these ex-CNWs up here?

A laxative and a good hug should make you feel better!

[Lord Atmo]

dont forget DMVW 862. still sporting OY as of 2005. with any luck, it still hasnt been repainted

[wctransfer]

Yup, the DMVW still has them (in CNW paint too).

Alec