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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 4, 2007 12:49 PM
Wow, that looks really great!  I love how the mountain dominates even over a multi-track yard.  Gotta love N scale!

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Posted by outdoorsfellar on Thursday, January 4, 2007 12:46 PM

Here's a few new pics in & around my Coal Fork Junct. on my Allegheny & Cumberland.  I haven't worked on anything since October & this past week I got busy with adding foilage. Here's two helpers sitting in the pocket.......

It was great  to finally get things going again !

 

 

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Posted by outdoorsfellar on Thursday, January 4, 2007 12:30 PM
In regards to N Scale Railroading magazines, I don't have a subscription, but I did go to their web site & order back issues of my choice. It's a great way to see what there is to offer before subscribing !
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Posted by jdtractorboy on Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:33 AM

Dave,

Did you use the same liquid nails product to glue down the roadbed as you did on the track?

Also, were you using the 1.5" spacing between your dual main tracks?

Thanks

Chuck 

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:16 AM
 Blue Flamer wrote:

Hello Dave.

I just wanted to give you a sincere Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] for starting The "N" Crowd and showing all of us beginners what can be accomplished if you just put your mind to it and persevere. Naturally, our first attempts are probably NOT going to turn out as beautiful looking as yours and some of the other great looking layouts, but with a little patience they will look good enough until we gain more experience to improve them.

I would just like to ask if you have a Web Site for "N Scale Railroading", as when I enter that all I get is a web site for all kinds of advertising for all types of things.

Again, thanks for all your help in the past and thanks in advance for any help on the Web Site requested.

 

Blue Flamer.

 

Thanks for the kind words! If you mean the magazine, N Scale Railroading, then the website you describe is the only one I know. They have a small distribution, so I doubt they'd want to put much of the magazine's content on line as that might jeapordize their business.

By the way, don't sell yourself or other beginners short! I don't have any secrets; my layout is built using all mainstream products and techniques available to everyone. You can follow the construction of my layout step-by-step on my website... You'll see I didn't do anything special! It's really the great products out there and the great techniques that other modelers have pioneered that makes it possible for anyone to have a great layout.

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Posted by Blue Flamer on Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:11 AM

Hello Dave.

I just wanted to give you a sincere Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] for starting The "N" Crowd and showing all of us beginners what can be accomplished if you just put your mind to it and persevere. Naturally, our first attempts are probably NOT going to turn out as beautiful looking as yours and some of the other great looking layouts, but with a little patience they will look good enough until we gain more experience to improve them.

I would just like to ask if you have a Web Site for "N Scale Railroading", as when I enter that all I get is a web site for all kinds of advertising for all types of things.

Again, thanks for all your help in the past and thanks in advance for any help on the Web Site requested.

 

Blue Flamer.

 

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Posted by n2mopac on Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:07 AM

Hey, everyone. Check out my updated track plan and give me your thoughts at the following thread.

http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/995608/ShowPost.aspx#995608

Spacemouse has already given me some thoughts. I appreciate all of them, so give me your My 2 cents [2c].

Ron

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, January 4, 2007 10:45 AM

 Dave Vollmer wrote:
I prefer N Scale Railroading (NSR).  If you've ruled out a subscription and an LHS, you ah, well... won't be getting one.  It's not the kind of magazine carried at Barnes and Noble.

I'm not ruling out a subscription. I just kinda sorta want to see a cow before I buy the herd.

Chip

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Posted by n2mopac on Thursday, January 4, 2007 10:38 AM
 Dave Vollmer wrote:
 CSXFan wrote:

Question for Dave Vollmer.

Would you mind telling me what you are using to control the turnouts on you layout? 

BTW, both your layout and website are VERY nice looking, Almost makes me want to model the Pennsy!  I'm using it as a reference as to what I want my layout to look like, accept with modern CSX power.

Thanks in advance.

Thanks!

I use my fingers to control the turnouts.  Peco turnouts have an internal centering spring so they don't need a switch motor or ground throw.

I do the same with great results. I place dummy ground throws for looks.

Ron

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Posted by cpeterson on Thursday, January 4, 2007 9:55 AM
I agree N scale Railroading is by far the best source of products, advice, etc as far as N scale mags are concerned.  I would look into a subscription, its worth the money.
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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 4, 2007 9:48 AM
 SpaceMouse wrote:

Open question.

What's the best N-scale mag and how do I go about getting one without subscribing? Don't bother saying LHS, cause I don't have one and the closet one I've found doesn't have an N-scale mag.

I prefer N Scale Railroading (NSR).  If you've ruled out a subscription and an LHS, you ah, well... won't be getting one.  It's not the kind of magazine carried at Barnes and Noble.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, January 4, 2007 9:31 AM

Open question.

What's the best N-scale mag and how do I go about getting one without subscribing? Don't bother saying LHS, cause I don't have one and the closet one I've found doesn't have an N-scale mag.

 

 

Chip

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Posted by cpeterson on Thursday, January 4, 2007 8:59 AM

Is it just me or are the Athearn Challengers taking forever to come in.....Its like waiting for a Christmas that just won't come.

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Posted by NS2591 on Thursday, January 4, 2007 7:52 AM
Dekruif I've got one the athearn SD70Ms and it runs ok. It doesn't pull to well but they may have been becuase I was trying to pull Autoracks on a 9 3/4 curve with it and it slowed down alot going through the curves.(This was not my layout, my layout has 15s.
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Posted by ATSFCLIFF on Thursday, January 4, 2007 3:19 AM

This a great thread for N scale modellers! Nice to know that is good number of enthusiastic N scalers with fantastic layouts.

I would have posted earlier if I hadn't problems with my computer. I have been modelling in N scale since the early 80's and you can call me a one scale modeller!

Cheers,

 

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:06 PM
 CSXFan wrote:

Question for Dave Vollmer.

Would you mind telling me what you are using to control the turnouts on you layout? 

BTW, both your layout and website are VERY nice looking, Almost makes me want to model the Pennsy!  I'm using it as a reference as to what I want my layout to look like, accept with modern CSX power.

Thanks in advance.

Thanks!

I use my fingers to control the turnouts.  Peco turnouts have an internal centering spring so they don't need a switch motor or ground throw.

Modeling the Rio Grande Southern First District circa 1938-1946 in HOn3.

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Posted by CSXFan on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:56 PM
 dekruif wrote:

Do any of you have any athearn engines?  I was looking to get a SD70M and was wondering how they run and the detail compared to a Atlas?

 

Thanks

I have never seen one run, but I have seen them in the hobby shop. This is just my opinion, but when I looked at the CSX unit, I was very dissapointed with the paint job. The lines between different colors were very fuzzy (this was the CSX dark future scheme). Maybe this one was part of a bad run, but I would not want one on my layout.

I did own an Athearn SD60 and a Genesis SD70M in HO scale. These ran VERY nice especially the Genesis. The detail was pretty good on both and they made very little noise, if any. 
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Posted by CSXFan on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:46 PM

Question for Dave Vollmer.

Would you mind telling me what you are using to control the turnouts on you layout? 

BTW, both your layout and website are VERY nice looking, Almost makes me want to model the Pennsy!  I'm using it as a reference as to what I want my layout to look like, accept with modern CSX power.

Thanks in advance.
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Posted by SOU Fan on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:45 PM

Do any of you have any athearn engines?  I was looking to get a SD70M and was wondering how they run and the detail compared to a Atlas?

 

Thanks

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Posted by Metro Red Line on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:32 PM

BrethereN,

I had a horrible experience at a local hobby shop today...

 Okay I passed by a local hobby shop today, one I haven't been to in years. It's a multi-hobby store, with cars, crafts and planes as well as trains, but trains have their own wing. There was a seemingly friendly guy at the the trains counter and I was looking for Atlas Code 55 N scale turnouts. He asked what I was looking for and then pointed out they had Peco Code 55 turnouts. I told him I wasn't interested in those because the rail height is not compatible with true Code 55 track. Then he told me that I should be using Code 80 turnouts "Because turnouts are the most likely place whee derailments happen" and that "the only real difference is the height of the rail." I told him I'm set on Code 55 since I wanted the prototypical look, but he didn't seem to listen. I then asked you, "Are you mainly into N scale?" but he proceeded to respond with a "Listen, I know what I'm talking about" kind of response.

I told him that I just converted to N from HO. He was chatting with a few frequent customers who were hanging out at the store who I assume belong to the same club as he and later he asked me, "So what prompted you to switch to N?"
I told him that I do the modern era and that my autoracks and superliners wouldn't look or run well on my old HO layout. He then told me "Well you're gonna be kicking yourself for making that decision." I told him, "You can run more trains in the same space as HO." His reply? "No that's not true...That's why you join a club. You can have wide curves on a club layout"

I told him I didn't have the time or money to invest in a club. What an idiot. You think that someone who works in a train department of a hobby shop would have knowledge and respect for all scales. I told him "N scale is growing" and he went on to say, "No one's buying. I should know, I sell it!"

I didn't want to make a scene but I should have informed him that it's not selling because PEOPLE BUY ONLINE!

I think it's very wrong for people at hobby shops to be condescending like that. I will never go there again. 

I just want to tell ALL N scalers in Southern California to NOT SPEND YOUR TIME OR MONEY AT HOBBY WAREHOUSE IN LAKEWOOD!
They're very anti-N scale, and besides, their selection is lame.

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Posted by trainfreek92 on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 8:52 PM

 NS2591 wrote:
This is for those of those that ordered the new atlas GP38-2s. They pushed the release date back to March.

AhhhCensored [censored] I was hoping to pick a B&M unit up at the Spingfield train show!

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Posted by NS2591 on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 1:46 PM
This is for those of those that ordered the new atlas GP38-2s. They pushed the release date back to March.
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Posted by jdtractorboy on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 11:46 AM
 n2mopac wrote:

Welcome to the forum and the N scale thread, Chuck. The standard quoted above is exactly what I use with great looks and operation even on 89 foot freight equipment.

Ron

Thanks Ron.

Even though the layout is set in 1950ish, I will go to the 1 1/2" spacing to keep problems to a minimum, especially if I decide to "modernize" every now and again!

Chuck

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Posted by n2mopac on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:41 AM
 pcarrell wrote:

Welcome to the forum!

 jdtractorboy wrote:

I do have one question: What spacing do you use between double track to look good on curves and straights?

Most N scalers go with 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" track centerline to track centerline spacing, depending on the length of the equipment they're running.  Longer equipment tends to overhang more, especially as the curves get tighter, so you might need a little extra room on the curves so you don't have a sideswipe if you run the bigger stuff.  Some guys do an 1 1/4 on the straights, and 1 1/2 on the curves so they can have thier cake and eat it too.  It all depends on the size of the rolling stock though.  Big, long passenger cars and large steam loco's, and some of the bigger diesels need that extra room.

Welcome to the forum and the N scale thread, Chuck. The standard quoted above is exactly what I use with great looks and operation even on 89 foot freight equipment.

Ron

Owner and superintendant of the N scale Texas Colorado & Western Railway, a protolanced representaion of the BNSF from Fort Worth, TX through Wichita Falls TX and into Colorado. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:42 AM
Hey JD, Welcome. I too am in my mid 20's and have been Arm chair RR since 1992 ish. I always wanted to build a layout and just got my first train set last christmas (2005). I have all my bench work done but have been stumped by my track plan as of late. I have been working on about 5 track plans which are all good but seem to be missing something. I live in an appartment and the only space I have to work with is a 30"x48" area by the kitchen. I have been finding a lot of decent plans in a 2'x4' aera and am addapting them to my needs. TO EVERYONE WAITING TO SEE WHAT I AM WORKING ON: Please be patiant I am working on geting the plans on disk. I wish you all a prosperous new year and we see you later. For it is back to work I go. Curt
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Posted by jdtractorboy on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:05 AM
 pcarrell wrote:

Most N scalers go with 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" track centerline to track centerline spacing, depending on the length of the equipment they're running.

 Thanks Phillip.  Good to be here. 

Some more background on my addiction..uhhh..hobby..yeah hobby (picture being said to wife of 1 year).

As I stated in my previous post, my old layout was sacrificed for the new layout.  The previous layout was started when I was in the 7th grade as my first real attempt at N-scale as well as an around the wall design.  It was moved twice, crossed the mason/dixon line twice, and was never totally finished by any standards.  When I entered college, I somewhat had lost interest/became interested in antique tractors and machinery and the model railroad was put to the side.

Fast forward to one month ago.  Since becoming married and purchasing my own house, I now had a nice place (read finished room as opposed to somewhat finished but dark basement) to work on a layout.  Additionally, I found a plan in Ian Rice's book that covered the one aspect of model railroading I enjoy the most:  OPERATION! 

Also, I visited with some guys around the Evansville, IN area that had a Ho basement layout with DCC.  The operation and layout floored me and I really got going on the new pike.

So here I am...recent armchair model railroader turned carpenter getting underway.

 Chuck

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Posted by pcarrell on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 8:48 AM

Welcome to the forum!

 jdtractorboy wrote:

I do have one question: What spacing do you use between double track to look good on curves and straights?

Most N scalers go with 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" track centerline to track centerline spacing, depending on the length of the equipment they're running.  Longer equipment tends to overhang more, especially as the curves get tighter, so you might need a little extra room on the curves so you don't have a sideswipe if you run the bigger stuff.  Some guys do an 1 1/4 on the straights, and 1 1/2 on the curves so they can have thier cake and eat it too.  It all depends on the size of the rolling stock though.  Big, long passenger cars and large steam loco's, and some of the bigger diesels need that extra room.

Philip
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Posted by jdtractorboy on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 8:39 AM

Happy New Year to ALL N SCALERS!

 I want to formally intorduce myself to yall, as I am beginning what should be the best layout I have ever built (yet! hehe).

 My name is Chuck McDonald from Robinson Illinois and I have been a model railroader since I was 8 years old (about 16 years ago for you math majors!).

 I am in the middle of the benchwork phase of my new 8X12' layout based on a plan from "Small Smart and Practical Track Plans" by Ian Rice.  Its the "CC Tower: Heavy Traffic at the Carbon Crystal Crossing" Plan.  Basically its a dual track main crossing a single track main in a midwestern town.

 My plan is to have the dual track be the B&0 and the single track be the Nickle Plate set in about 1954.

Tomorow (Thursday) I will be posting pics of my previous layout (torn down 1 month ago) and the benchwork progress on the new Pike. 

I do have one question: What spacing do you use between double track to look good on curves and straights?

 Thanks and Glad to be here!

 Chuck "Tractorboy"

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Posted by n2mopac on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 2:58 PM

 apartment railer wrote:
Masking question. What do you guys use to mask off when painting N scale. Any special tape?

I use low tack painters tape, but here is an important trick when using it. mask the area, them spray it with either a light coat of the under color or a coat of dullcoat. This will seal the tape edge before you apply the second color and keep it from bleeding up under the tape. It works like a charm and saves many headaches later.

Ron

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 11:19 AM
1-2 inches seems to work for me, but I don't glue anything down

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