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What passenger cars would you like to see made?

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Posted by JerryRR on Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:38 PM
I'd like to get my hands on a few Reading box cars with the huge READING in white letters across almost the entire side of the (I think) tuscan red car. Does anyone know if these are available now?
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Posted by JerryRR on Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:38 PM
I'd like to get my hands on a few Reading box cars with the huge READING in white letters across almost the entire side of the (I think) tuscan red car. Does anyone know if these are available now?
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Posted by Yampa2003 on Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:53 PM
Something to go behind my Genesis DRGW F9ABB.
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Posted by Yampa2003 on Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:53 PM
Something to go behind my Genesis DRGW F9ABB.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:07 PM
I wi***hat Athearn would make the cars for the Surfliner and Amtrak California.
Athearn's Bombardier commuter coaches are very well made. Can they do the same with the Surfliner and Amtrak California equipment?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:07 PM
I wi***hat Athearn would make the cars for the Surfliner and Amtrak California.
Athearn's Bombardier commuter coaches are very well made. Can they do the same with the Surfliner and Amtrak California equipment?

Dennis Lynn,
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 8:03 AM
I agree with bospf. A logical consist for the PRR South Wind or better yet the
L & N Humming Bird. Both were great trains. The 4 pack and eight pack sets you buy most of the time don't represent logical consists for the the trains they are trying to model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 8:03 AM
I agree with bospf. A logical consist for the PRR South Wind or better yet the
L & N Humming Bird. Both were great trains. The 4 pack and eight pack sets you buy most of the time don't represent logical consists for the the trains they are trying to model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 4:35 PM
Apparently the cost of quality plastic molds is not what it used to be - the only way I can explain all the beautiful plastic diesel and steam locomotives coming out these days. Its time for companies to step up to the plate and produce accurate consists of the better-known "name" trains. While my own favorites would be the Pocohontas or the Powhatan Arrow, there are numerous other examples such as the 20th Century Limited, Southern's Crescent, GN's Empire Builder, etc. from major railroads with large modeller followings.

At, arguably, the other end of the spectrum in terms of accuracy, a greater variety of 72-foot "shorties" for the many modellers who do not have space for large-radius curves would also be nice.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 4:35 PM
Apparently the cost of quality plastic molds is not what it used to be - the only way I can explain all the beautiful plastic diesel and steam locomotives coming out these days. Its time for companies to step up to the plate and produce accurate consists of the better-known "name" trains. While my own favorites would be the Pocohontas or the Powhatan Arrow, there are numerous other examples such as the 20th Century Limited, Southern's Crescent, GN's Empire Builder, etc. from major railroads with large modeller followings.

At, arguably, the other end of the spectrum in terms of accuracy, a greater variety of 72-foot "shorties" for the many modellers who do not have space for large-radius curves would also be nice.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 4:39 PM
I'd like to see NP's North Coast Limited in N scale, preferably from Kato or Con-Cor.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 4:39 PM
I'd like to see NP's North Coast Limited in N scale, preferably from Kato or Con-Cor.
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Posted by kissmethod on Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:45 AM

I'd like to see some authentic HO 1953 era AT&SF Super Chief passenger cars. The Walther folks did a nice job on what they have done along that line, but they are far from spec perfect.

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Posted by kissmethod on Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:45 AM

I'd like to see some authentic HO 1953 era AT&SF Super Chief passenger cars. The Walther folks did a nice job on what they have done along that line, but they are far from spec perfect.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:53 AM
Some CPR stuff wouild be great, after all, they did have the second largest passenger car manufacturing plant in North America.

As well, some dome-observation's for the Canadian, which I dont think anyone has actually made.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:53 AM
Some CPR stuff wouild be great, after all, they did have the second largest passenger car manufacturing plant in North America.

As well, some dome-observation's for the Canadian, which I dont think anyone has actually made.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:24 PM
My desire is simple. Any thing from the New York Central
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:24 PM
My desire is simple. Any thing from the New York Central
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Posted by cbq9911a on Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:26 PM
First, an HO kit for a generic heavyweight Pullman. The heavyweight Pullmans were all very similar, except for window alignment.

Second, HO or 3 Rail O models of North Shore Line cars.

Third, a Nebraska Zephyr trainset in HO.
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Posted by cbq9911a on Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:26 PM
First, an HO kit for a generic heavyweight Pullman. The heavyweight Pullmans were all very similar, except for window alignment.

Second, HO or 3 Rail O models of North Shore Line cars.

Third, a Nebraska Zephyr trainset in HO.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 20, 2003 8:11 AM
Remember the collection of Santa Fe cars that Walthers put out in their metal sided kits 20 or 25 years ago? I always defined Walthers product line in terms of their heavyweight passenger car kits, and wi***hey would return to what I see as their roots.

Give us cars that are easily modified as to window arrangements.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 20, 2003 8:11 AM
Remember the collection of Santa Fe cars that Walthers put out in their metal sided kits 20 or 25 years ago? I always defined Walthers product line in terms of their heavyweight passenger car kits, and wi***hey would return to what I see as their roots.

Give us cars that are easily modified as to window arrangements.

Jim Putney
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dragon1963

Lucky me! Walthers is already producing budd passenger cars with Canadian Pacific livery in HO scale! [:)][:)][:)][:)]


The problem is that they missed the boat on the observation or "Park" car and the Skyline (snackbar) car... the ones I've seen do not have the domes on top...
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dragon1963

Lucky me! Walthers is already producing budd passenger cars with Canadian Pacific livery in HO scale! [:)][:)][:)][:)]


The problem is that they missed the boat on the observation or "Park" car and the Skyline (snackbar) car... the ones I've seen do not have the domes on top...
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 21, 2003 12:39 PM
Accurate Missouri Pacific-Texas & Pacific Eagle passenger equipment, with the distincive portholes.. Two things I always looked forward to seeing when I caught the Texas Eagle at St. Louis: the portholes on the cars and the green bottles of Mountain Valley Spring Water on each table in the dining car....Carl
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 21, 2003 12:39 PM
Accurate Missouri Pacific-Texas & Pacific Eagle passenger equipment, with the distincive portholes.. Two things I always looked forward to seeing when I caught the Texas Eagle at St. Louis: the portholes on the cars and the green bottles of Mountain Valley Spring Water on each table in the dining car....Carl
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Posted by BOODA3D on Monday, July 21, 2003 1:03 PM
Nice plastic ready to run kits of the commuter double deck coaches that SP used on the San Jose-San Francisco route in the late 50s and 60s. They closely resemble the ones for CN&W routes out of Chicago, but as far as I know there were never any RTR painted sets for SP.

Also would be nice to have a nice set of passenger car and power cars for the BART system. The ones that were produced years ago out of metal did not run very well (were Athearn rubber band drive), and I had to attempt using little powered drive
wheel sets which did not last long either.

Third: How about a nice running set of the GM Aero-train? I realize it was a failure as a train, but I think it looks good and modern even today. The present offering is unsatisfactory since the set is unpowered.

Those are on my wi***o have list. I would like to see these in HO scale; however, I suspect N gaugers would also like these as well. [8D]
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Posted by BOODA3D on Monday, July 21, 2003 1:03 PM
Nice plastic ready to run kits of the commuter double deck coaches that SP used on the San Jose-San Francisco route in the late 50s and 60s. They closely resemble the ones for CN&W routes out of Chicago, but as far as I know there were never any RTR painted sets for SP.

Also would be nice to have a nice set of passenger car and power cars for the BART system. The ones that were produced years ago out of metal did not run very well (were Athearn rubber band drive), and I had to attempt using little powered drive
wheel sets which did not last long either.

Third: How about a nice running set of the GM Aero-train? I realize it was a failure as a train, but I think it looks good and modern even today. The present offering is unsatisfactory since the set is unpowered.

Those are on my wi***o have list. I would like to see these in HO scale; however, I suspect N gaugers would also like these as well. [8D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:05 AM
Suggestions for HO (and maybe N) scale:

Pre-WWII modernized PRR P-70 clerestory and round-roof coaches with air conditioning. By the early 1940s, most PRR mainline trains had air-conditioned coaches.

PRR P54 coaches and PB54 combines, as well as MU versions, in their pre-aWWII configurations.

NYNH&H and LV AF-style coaches in original and added-window configurations.

50' WWII troop sleepers with step wells and stirrup steps, and companion kitchen cars. (Hopefully, Intermountain will produce these soon.)

PRR B-60 baggage and Railway Express cars, with appropriate roof detail and sliding side doors.

Common versions of prewar lightweight coaches and Pullmans by P-S, ACF (?), and Budd; detachable skirts.

Preferably, all new passenger cars would be RTR and include interior partitions/detail. At least cars should be partly asembled with floor and sides, and a detached roof.

Clever coupler, diaphragm, and step designs for closely spaced cars should negotiate 24" radius curves. One truck should pivot on superelevated curves.

Passenger cars should include several kinds of interior lighting: early evening, late evening (with lit aisles, vestibules, and bathrooms), and dark (for mid-train dead-heading). Ideally, cars would come with marker lights that could be turned on and lit drumheads could be added easily to rear Pullman or observation cars.

To go with new passenger cars, I'd also encourage a diversity of passengers in various seated/reclining and standing poses, as well as baggagemen, RPO clerks, conductors and trainmen, and dining car and Pullman car staff. These should be available in various fashions, perhaps in 5-year increments (e.g. 1940-45), and perhaps different seasonal dress. Unpainted single and paired figures with seats in bulk packages could help to keep the costs down. Vintage luggage with overhead racks would be a nice touch, too. (Vintage suitcases, trunks, mail sacks, and other loads for baggage wagons and Redcap baggage hand-carts would help detail station platforms and curbsides.)

Glass for windows and doors should be set in from car sides by scale depth, not behind thick plastic sides. Non-airconditioned cars should have (some) windows and vestibule doors that could be easily modeled in the open position.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:05 AM
Suggestions for HO (and maybe N) scale:

Pre-WWII modernized PRR P-70 clerestory and round-roof coaches with air conditioning. By the early 1940s, most PRR mainline trains had air-conditioned coaches.

PRR P54 coaches and PB54 combines, as well as MU versions, in their pre-aWWII configurations.

NYNH&H and LV AF-style coaches in original and added-window configurations.

50' WWII troop sleepers with step wells and stirrup steps, and companion kitchen cars. (Hopefully, Intermountain will produce these soon.)

PRR B-60 baggage and Railway Express cars, with appropriate roof detail and sliding side doors.

Common versions of prewar lightweight coaches and Pullmans by P-S, ACF (?), and Budd; detachable skirts.

Preferably, all new passenger cars would be RTR and include interior partitions/detail. At least cars should be partly asembled with floor and sides, and a detached roof.

Clever coupler, diaphragm, and step designs for closely spaced cars should negotiate 24" radius curves. One truck should pivot on superelevated curves.

Passenger cars should include several kinds of interior lighting: early evening, late evening (with lit aisles, vestibules, and bathrooms), and dark (for mid-train dead-heading). Ideally, cars would come with marker lights that could be turned on and lit drumheads could be added easily to rear Pullman or observation cars.

To go with new passenger cars, I'd also encourage a diversity of passengers in various seated/reclining and standing poses, as well as baggagemen, RPO clerks, conductors and trainmen, and dining car and Pullman car staff. These should be available in various fashions, perhaps in 5-year increments (e.g. 1940-45), and perhaps different seasonal dress. Unpainted single and paired figures with seats in bulk packages could help to keep the costs down. Vintage luggage with overhead racks would be a nice touch, too. (Vintage suitcases, trunks, mail sacks, and other loads for baggage wagons and Redcap baggage hand-carts would help detail station platforms and curbsides.)

Glass for windows and doors should be set in from car sides by scale depth, not behind thick plastic sides. Non-airconditioned cars should have (some) windows and vestibule doors that could be easily modeled in the open position.

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