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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, August 4, 2023 1:01 PM

Hi Kevin,

Your roof looks great!

You should be very proud of all the work you have done on your home!

Cheers!!

Dave

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, August 4, 2023 1:03 PM

York1
Insurance companies here give a home insurance discount for metal roofs.  They will give a bigger discount if you get a policy that does not replace the roof if it is dented.

After Ian, the State of Florida changed the structure of hurricane discounts and wind mitigation discounts for storm windows and 170 MPH roofs because the insurance companies can't collect enough premiums.

I am very concerned about what my rates will look like next year.

howmus
The panels have just about paid for themselves I think by now.  They provide about 1/3 of the electric I use.  I could claim I drive for free as they produce more in a year than I use in the car.

My sister has solar panels on her roof. The State of Florida gave her a huge tax incentive to get them put on. Her electric bill is about 1/2 of what it was.

Her Prius is not a plug-in hybrid type. She is hoping to get an all-electric car soon.

hon30critter
Hi Kevin, Your roof looks great! You should be very proud of all the work you have done on your home! Cheers!!

I sure am! Thank you.

I am very satisfied that I waited until I could get exactly the roof I wanted.

-Kevin

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Posted by Water Level Route on Friday, August 4, 2023 2:11 PM

Howdy Diners!  Zoe, I'll take a plate of nachos and a cherry coke please.

Had a weird thunderstorm come through yesterday.  The thunder was literally constant for about 30 minutes.  It was bizarre.  I sent a video of it to my mom and had to explain all the noise she was hearing wasn't wind.  It was kind of eerie.

Grabbed a pick of my newest locomotives lined up to show you guys.  I left out the B unit for the erie built though.

 New Trio by Michael, on Flickr

Soccer tournament tomorrow.  Hopefully my daughter's knee doesn't cause her too much pain, but we shall see.  

Kevin, the roof looks good!  

Ray, I'm jealous of the solar panels.  I sure would like them on my house, but probably not going to happen anytime soon.

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, August 4, 2023 2:18 PM

Hi Bear,

Thanks for posting the picture of the Petawawa station in Ontario, Canada. Petawawa has a large military base.

Here are a few more stations in Ontario:

Kiosk was a lumbering town, and not much else as you can tell by the size of the station:

This station was located in Algonquin Provincial Park. The park is one of the largest parks in Ontario and hundreds of tourists would have passed through the station every day in its hayday:

The Wasing stsation was another tiny stop in northern Ontario. The young lady is sitting on a cream can from her parent's farm. The train would stop to pick up a single can of cream:

The Belleville station still in operation today:

The CNR station in Palmerston circa 1956. No expense spared here!

Toronto Union Station serves more than 1/4 million people per day:

The Ontario Northland station at Temagami, Ontario, built using local field stone:

The rather large Station at St. Thomas, Ontario. It has the distinction of being the site where Jumbo the circus elephant was hit by a train and killed in 1885:

That's all for now.

Cheers!!

Dave

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Posted by maxman on Friday, August 4, 2023 6:12 PM

hon30critter

Kiosk was a lumbering town, and not much else as you can tell by the size of the station:

Dave

 

 
Are all of those pop up places where you can buy tickets, ice cream, pay for parking, and so forth named after Kiosk, or is Kiosk named after all those pop up places where you can buy tickets, ice cream, pay for parking, and so forth?
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Posted by Lost in A2 on Friday, August 4, 2023 7:03 PM

maxman

 

hon30critter

Kiosk was a lumbering town, and not much else as you can tell by the size of the station:

Dave

 

 

 
Are all of those pop up places where you can buy tickets, ice cream, pay for parking, and so forth named after Kiosk, or is Kiosk named after all those pop up places where you can buy tickets, ice cream, pay for parking, and so forth?
 

 

"Kiosk" is from Persian, well before the town would have been named.  See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiosk for more information. 

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiosk,_Ontario for the derivation of the town's name. 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, August 4, 2023 7:54 PM

I am trying to recall the adjective that describes a rule that was just made for the sake of making a rule.

The internet has been no help. All my searches bring back adjectives for people who always follow the rules.

Bang Head

Does anyone know the word I am looking for? A word to describe a rule that has no purpose other than to have another rule.

Thanks.

-Kevin

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Posted by maxman on Friday, August 4, 2023 9:33 PM

SeeYou190
I am trying to recall the adjective that describes a rule that was just made for the sake of making a rule.

Legislated?

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, August 4, 2023 10:13 PM

Hi Lost in A2,

Thanks for the interesting information about Kiosk. There were many similar 'stations' all througout northern Ontario in the early 1900s.

Cheers!!

Dave

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, August 4, 2023 10:50 PM

SeeYou190
A word to describe a rule that has no purpose other than to have another rule.

 Nonsense by Bear, on Flickr

Smile

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, August 5, 2023 5:13 AM
Good grief Chloe, looks like I’m going to be a post hog!!
 
On the subject of depots, I’m quite taken by this depot which was bought to my attention by Mr. TF who posted photos he had taken of it, some time back.
 
 Depot Time by Don Kalkman, on Flickr

gmpullman
I wish I had room on my layout for all four of these!

They are striking looking buildings Ed, though what puts me off scratching building something similar is the challenge of dealing all the different roof pitches in one building. While not as visually appealing, “lean to” or single gable roofing has a lot going for them!
 
Speaking of roofs, I hope you have no future problems with your new roof, Kevin.
 
“If you sleep on the train, you will miss your station; if you sleep at the station, you will miss your train! You can control your fate only when you are awake!” Mehmet Murat ildan
 
Thoughts and best Wishes to All that need them. Kia Kaha.
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:54 AM

Good morning, diners.

Bear, a post hog?  Some day, maybe we will see a forum thread of all of Bear's cartoons!  One of the Bear's best threads was "Where's Kevin?" when Kevin was having computer problems.

It's a hot and humid day already on the plains.  I came back from my morning walk completely soaked.

I love old train stations and depots.  This one is about 50 miles away in Lincoln, NE.  It was the old Rock Island station, and is now a bank:

 

 Lincoln, NE (Rock Island Line) train station by Ron Reiring, on Flickr

 

Have a great day, diners.  If you're reading this, post something!  We'd love to hear from everyone.

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, August 5, 2023 11:27 AM

York1
If you're reading this, post something!

"Something!"

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, August 5, 2023 11:56 AM

York1
If you're reading this, post something!  We'd love to hear from everyone.

I just stopped by to read, no time for a real post...

I posted something!

-Kevin

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, August 5, 2023 12:28 PM

Big Smile

Even "something" is better than nothing!

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, August 5, 2023 1:09 PM

My wife and I went on a big trip to Switzerland last month.  I highly recommend it.  We stayed in Lausanne, Riffelalp (a resort at 2222 meters, above Zermatt), Zurich, and Mürren.

Here are some pictures:

Goldenpass Express Prestige Class (yes, we splurged on a lot of things on this trip) has a glass bulkhead behind the driver!

The train station at Jungfraujoch is underground, because it is above the permanent snow line, at 11,320 feet.  It is the highest train station in Europe.

An Italian Frecciarossa holding at Montreux.

Zurich's main train station, as seen from the resturant in the tallest building in the city.

A random picture from the Glacier Express

Approaching the world famous Landwasser Viaduct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSjfLnvGfq8

Frankly, I'm surprised I took any video because I wasn't even looking at my phone while I was filming.

The mighty steed that brought us into Zurich.

A snowplow waiting for weather cooler than the 90F weather the town of Lauterbrunnen was experiencing.

The Gornergrat cog railway descends the Gornergrat, at about 10,000 feet.

The Gornergrat runs through some pretty stark territory.

Down in Zermatt, the Gornergrat's freight operation was doing some shunting at the standard gauge station across the street.

The Riffelalp resort can only be reached by the Gornergrat Railway.  In the non-snowy season, there's an electric tram that transfers you from the train to the hotel.  Part of the balloon track is visible. In winter, snowmobiles instead.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Saturday, August 5, 2023 2:23 PM

Looks like an amazing trip!  Thanks for sharing your pics!

Mike

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, August 5, 2023 3:59 PM

NittanyLion
My wife and I went on a big trip to Switzerland last month.  I highly recommend it.  We stayed in Lausanne, Riffelalp (a resort at 2222 meters, above Zermatt), Zurich, and Mürren.

 

It sounds like a wonderful trip -- thanks for the pictures!

Thumbs Up

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Posted by OldEngineman on Saturday, August 5, 2023 10:02 PM

The topic is stations, right?

Danbury, CT station at its low point in early 1993. Sorry for the grainy B&W pic, I took it with an SLR but with old, flaky film, the colors weren't right, so I scanned it as best I could and converted to B&W.

The new station had opened on the other end of "the loop" by then, I think. Tiny block building with a high platform.

Conrail had pulled out a few months earlier in December 1992. Gave the guys 30 days notice that they'd have to exercise their seniority.

The freight business was bought by the Housatonic Railroad, which really didn't do much with it. Housatonic crews weren't qualified on Metro-North, so that killed the upper Harlem line business to Wassaic (if it was still there by then, I had moved over to Amtrak in early 1991 and decided to stay there).

Housatonic abandoned the Danbury freight yard.

The station is completely restored today, as it's now the Danbury Railroad Museum (they took over the yard, too). It looks better today than it probably did only a few years after first opening.

I'm only a mile from the yard, but I've only gone there twice since I retired (going on 12 years now). Museum or not, it's just not the same. I might have worked there until retirement, if CR had kept the place and business held up. Now it's as if I might as well be on display like the equipment outside. Very few of the freight guys left -- you could probably count 'em on one hand. With a little luck I could end up being "the last one".

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, August 6, 2023 6:08 AM

Good afternoon Diners.   Just calling in to say 'Hi'.

Though nothing serious,  some days it takes us long to get Dawn 'up and about'.

Try an call in later.

 

David

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Posted by pav on Sunday, August 6, 2023 6:15 AM

SeeYou190

I am trying to recall the adjective that describes a rule that was just made for the sake of making a rule.

The internet has been no help. All my searches bring back adjectives for people who always follow the rules.

Bang Head

Does anyone know the word I am looking for? A word to describe a rule that has no purpose other than to have another rule.

Thanks.

-Kevin

 

Kevin, is the word/phrase you're looking for "arbitrary and capricious"?

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, August 6, 2023 6:55 AM
 Gidday Chloe, feeling terribly thirsty tonight so could I have a large creaming soda milk shake, please.

York1
Some day, maybe we will see a forum thread of all of Bear's cartoons!  One of the Bear's best threads was "Where's Kevin?"

I’m sure that will never happen, I’m not even sure as to the exact reason why the “Where’s Kevin” thread was canned. I see that there are currently about 560 Beartoons, most of which are contained in the “Serious Bear” album on my Flickr account, which should be able to be viewed by anyone who has the inclination and or need to waste some time!! Even if they may have contained some humour when first done, I fear that some haven’t fared that well, now lacking context. For instance, the ones that I refer to as the Wildebeest Liberation Army set, only work if you think of the Broadway Lion, who I hope is OK!
 
Incidentally, “something” is better than “nothing” as it is worth 15 Scrabble points compared to 11.Smile, Wink & Grin
 
Thank you very much for sharing your Swiss holiday photos, NittanyLion.
  
I hope that things go easier for you and Dawn, David.
 
And thanks to those who’ve shared depot photos.
 
Speaking of which I came across this depot with crazy roof lines!!!
 
 
I think this one is more suitable to the Bears scratch building abilities.
 
 
Finally, yesterday morning.
 
 Winters morning. by Bear, on Flickr
 
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

 

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Posted by York1 on Sunday, August 6, 2023 7:06 AM

Good Sunday morning, diners.  Just black coffee this morning.  My one day a week to eat donuts.

When our church remodeled about 15 years ago, an exit door from the sanctuary to the meeting hall was put in.  Since the Sunday morning donuts and coffee are in that meeting hall, the door jokingly got called the "donut door".  The name stuck, and now if you say "donut door", everyone knows exactly what you mean.

At one time, the Rock Island RR crossed the southern part of Nebraska.  This great old station is in Fairbury.  It has a small museum and model railroad display.  The town has done a good job of restoring the station and keeping it open.

 

 Rock Island Railroad Depot - Fairbury, NE by Tom McLaughlin, on Flickr

 

Have a great day, everyone.

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Posted by moelarrycurly4 on Sunday, August 6, 2023 9:39 AM

Good morning from my Northern command.

Not much going on. Lots of W*rk. The wife is so much better but still has lingering efects of that which cannot be mentioned. I went down by myself to my Southern Command last weekend and cleaned out brush and mowed. Then sat around did mothing, listened to brids chirp, sat on the back porch and read. The neighbors chickens came by for a visit. All was well until the A/C went out. I determined that it was the control board. We are waiting for the new one to come in. So I cut my visit short. 

I have to do the front brakes on my car. Should not take long.

My mother fell and broke her shoulder about a month ago, the Dr decided it would be best not to do surgery , so they have been doing Physical Therapy.  She is getting better but still has trouble getting up out of a chair. 

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Sunday, August 6, 2023 5:43 PM

I am back in Arizona after a week in eastern Idaho visiting my son and helping him with the financials in his business. I went from a high temperature of 65 in Idaho on Friday to an overnight low temperature of 90 in Arizona. I am so tired of the heat. We had a single day in July, the last day, where the high temperature was not over 110 degrees. Granted it is a dry heat but it still is oppressive. The worst part is not getting any respite in the overnight temperatures. We are at least a week away from an overnight low below 80. I finally brought one of my bicycles into the house and put it on the stationary trainer. 

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, August 6, 2023 5:54 PM

pav
Kevin, is the word/phrase you're looking for "arbitrary and capricious"?

Those are good. I was kind of leaning toward

frivolous

 (ˈfrɪvələs)

adj
1. not serious or sensible in content, attitude, or behaviour; silly: frivolous remark.
2. unworthy of serious or sensible treatment; unimportant: frivolous details.
 
 Or perhaps:

spu·ri·ous

  (spyo͝or′ē-əs)
adj.
1. Lacking authenticity or validity in essence or origin; not genuine: spurious poems attributed to Shakespeare.
2. Not trustworthy; dubious or fallacious: spurious reasoning; a spurious justification.
3. Archaic Born to unwed parents.
 
Cheers, Ed
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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, August 6, 2023 6:08 PM

Well, I can't 'clear' the formatting beyond my last copy > paste so I'll have to pick up in a new reply.

Roofing. When I did the caboose metal roof I discovered the GAF Stormguard membrane and installed it under the metal panels.

 IMG_7846 by Edmund, on Flickr

 IMG_8319 by Edmund, on Flickr

That stuff is ideal, and SO much better than the old asphalt roll underlayment (felt paper). It seals around each fastener and sticks to the sheathing like, well, glue. Plus the sound deadening qualities are great.


 

Marion, Ohio, Union Station. Quite a busy place in its day and the restaurant had the best pies in all of Ohio.

 ERIE_829_Marion-OH by Edmund, on Flickr

A vintage look at the Laconia, New Hampshire depot:

 Laconia_1900_NH by Edmund, on Flickr

Regards, Ed

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Posted by maxman on Sunday, August 6, 2023 7:16 PM

SeeYou190

I am trying to recall the adjective that describes a rule that was just made for the sake of making a rule.

The internet has been no help. All my searches bring back adjectives for people who always follow the rules.

Bang Head

Does anyone know the word I am looking for? A word to describe a rule that has no purpose other than to have another rule.

Thanks.

-Kevin

 

Not an adjective, but a noun:

rulemaking

noun

rule·​mak·​ing
the making of rules
specifically the quasi-legislative formulation of rules (as regulations) by an administrative agency that must be carried out in line with procedure prescribed by statute (as the Administrative Procedure Act)
issued a notice of proposed rulemaking
 
See:https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/rulemaking
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, August 6, 2023 10:07 PM

gmpullman
Roofing. When I did the caboose metal roof I discovered the GAF Stormguard membrane and installed it under the metal pane

GAF Stormguard is awesome stuff, and meets Dade County (Florida, Miami) building codes.

How hard of a time did you have with the peel-and-stick installation? The guys that put it on my roof did it in a team of three, and made it look oh so easy.

gmpullman
 Or perhaps: spu·ri·ous

That's the one I was looking for!

THANK YOU!

I had "Specious" stuck in my head.

-Kevin

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, August 7, 2023 6:52 AM

SeeYou190
How hard of a time did you have with the peel-and-stick installation?

I got the hang of it pretty quickly, Kevin but keep in mind the caboose had three distinct areas with the cupola and west end being rather short and by the time I moved to the longer east end I had a pretty good system worked out.

I peeled back a 45° corner at each end then used duct tape to hold the sheet in place while i slipped the backing off by pulling it out the side while the sheet stayed in plece. In 13 years I've never had a roof leak.


The Jefferson, Ohio, depot with the train order semaphore laying on the ground. From what I gather someone was attempting to steal it and got most of the bolts cut off or otherwise removed and then was interrupted mid-crime.

A gust of wind came along and finished the job causing damage to both the roof and the signal Super Angry

 Jefferson, Ohio on the AC&J by Edmund, on Flickr

Homestead, Florida, in the early 1970s:

 Homestead, FL by Edmund, on Flickr

Chardon, Ohio, the place I've called home for the past 45 years:

 B&O_Chardon, Ohio 1982 by Edmund, on Flickr

Same depot in better days:

 B-O_Chardon_EM1_edited-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

 B&O Chardon Ohio FA-809 by Edmund, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

 

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