CNJ baby faced Baldwin F unit
In S scale:
4-4-0
4-6-0
gas-electric
Paul
In HO-scale...
NYC EMC "Cat-whisker" FT A-Bs (#1600-#1603):
NYC Emergency War caboose:
Additional NYC 20th Century Limited passenger diner (MTH)
Tom
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
My vote:
PRR G-5 4-6-0 in PRR and LIRR livery.
Chris
FrankieJ...I model in HO and this is my list. What would you like to see produced?
I model in HO, too, but there's nothing I'd like to see produced. I'd much rather choose a desired prototype and simply build it myself, within my capabilities, of course.
Wayne
The Delaware and Hudson basically has been forgotten except for two steam models....a challenger by two importers, and a K-62 4-8-4 by NPP which was questionable at best. The D&H besides having incredible modeling possibilities had very unusual locos and quite interesting to boot. If either the 1100 or 1200 series of 2-8-0's were done, I'd be first in line to purchase two of each class.
There have been several diesels....but I'm a dinosaur.
HZ
1970s Trailer Train bulkhead flat cars.
Thin silled 89' tofc flat cars
Rio Grande. The Action Road - Focus 1977-1983
I agree with Jim.70 era Bulkheads.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
I'm in HO:
- UP 4-6-2 Pacific (not USRA as I understand it)
- EDIT: add a 4-4-2 Atlantic
- new 4-truck transition era flat car kits (like the old BB)
- A BLI or Proto UP (or similar quality undecorated) 0-6-0 switcher
Modeling HO with a transition era UP bent
Being a fan of Norfolk Southern and modern diesel power, I would like to see the NS SD70acu brought to life in HO scale. Preferred manufacturer would be either Athearn Genesis or Kato.
doctorwayne FrankieJ ...I model in HO and this is my list. What would you like to see produced? Wayne
FrankieJ ...I model in HO and this is my list. What would you like to see produced?
Aw come on Wayne, don't you want an ever wider variety of stuff to chop up and improve and make your miracles out of?
Myself, I'd like to see more plastic structures that are good fodder for kitbashing. Many of Walthers new structures are either so specific or a bit too expensive (pace, Steve Otte) for me to feel comfortable taking a razor saw to 'em. The old LifeLike Mt Vernon Mfg was almost perfect in that regard.
The more complex hip roofs there are available the better, so that i don't have to sweat over cutting and fussing and calculating my own.
Dave Nelson
Arnine (R1 - R-9) vintage subway cars.
ROAR
The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.
Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
B&O Big Six 2-10-2
SP F-5 2-10-2
Rock Island early version 4-8-2
Rio Grande 4-8-2 any versions
Rio Grande 2-6-6-2 either L-62 or L-76
Rio Grande standard gauge steam woefully underrepresented excepting brass.
I'd like to see:
Norfolk Southern (The REAL NS) F-1 2-8-4
Ma&Pa #41 2-8-0
B&O S-1a 2-10-2
B&O T-3 4-8-2
WM I-2 2-10-0
N&W Z-1a & Z-1b 2-6-6-2
and of course......Alco T-6 switcher
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
A CNJ boxcab. I know MDC used to produce one a way long time ago but someone needs to bring it back.
My list is too long to post in its entirety, so I'll just add some comments:
* I like tstage's suggestion for an NYC War Emergency caboose, but I'm not sure about mass appeal. Maybe a limited production kit? Interestingly, the Bellefonte Central in Central Pennmsylvania got one of these and used it, with a side door added.
* Union Pacific had both light and heavy Pacifics. It is true that they were not USRA's. I'm pretty sure the heavies lasted longer, but the lights have an advantage as a model in that the design was almost the same as 4-6-2's built for Southern Pacific, Illnois Central, Southern, B&O, Erie, and others around the same time. It's always best if a model is usable for more than one road.
* I really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past. The basic dimensions of running gear and boiler were pretty constant, but details varied. M&PA's three engines were all a bit different from one another in minor details. Other buyers of this basic Baldwin design included Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain, Ligonier Valley, and many others. One engine was pulled from an order for Mexico and sold to the Buffalo Creek & Gauley as that road's number 4. It eventually went to the museum in Spencer, NC, and is now at Cass, WV. If the engine is produced, I would be partial to a representation of Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain numbers 31-32, with optional wood or steel cab. Optional slide valves or piston valves would be a great thing that would add to the engine's versatility.
* I can't resist adding Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain 4-4-0 number 30 to the list.
I'd like to see a Green BN "Triclops" SD60, Some four axle and six axle U-Boats lettered for Seaboard Systems, A Correct Erie Caboose, A Louisville and Nashville "Woody" Type Caboose, and a Metrolink "Triclops" F59PHI. I'll also throw in a Family Lines M-5 Steel Caboose.
I want an accurate model of a Southern Pacific rotary snowplow with the extentions which allow it to cut a wider path.
I also want one of these. I'm not sure the name of it.
This kind of thread comes up from time to time. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
DRGW Krauss Maffei ML-4000 cowl units in fairly well detailed but reasonbly-priced HO. I'm thinking Athearn Genesis, Atlas, or even ScaleTrains.
They weren't produced in great numbers, and the prototype wasn't very successful, but they are unique-looking locomotives and I'd love to have one. The only option in plastic currently available is the ancient Rivarossi version with the unusual motor arrangement. I think it's about time somebody released a new model of these with a modern drivetrain mechanism.
Dan Stokes
My other car is a tunnel motor
Athearn could do it. It can be DC/DCC Ready.
I Model in HO and I just want the manufacturers to release undecorated kits of all their product line that they currently produce. No new tooling needed. Just some basic cardboard box packaging.
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Kudos to Kadee for doing this. Boo to Walthers for announcing an undecorated version of the new ribbed side 32 foot trailer and then not releasing it.
I do not want assembled undecorated cars. We have to take them apart to paint them. Please just follow Kadee's and Tichy's lead. Thank you.
Also... I really want a rock-solid well engineered for function line of HO trackwork. To h**l with scale fidelity... make it last forever. Make the ties way too thick, I will hide them with ballast anyway. Make the spike heads too big, at least the rail will stay put. Come up with a bullet-proof hinge point for the point rails. I'll hide the out of scale appearance with paint. Call it the "Operators Line" or something, but make it RUGGED and RELIABLE and LIFETIME! And... release it before I begin construction on my final layout.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
WaRa1 class 17 ton 4-wheel box car, JNR 'livery' (basic black with white stenciling) in HOj (1:80 scale, 16-5mm gauge.)
Mass-produced during my target era, never issued as a model while I was in Japan. Have never seen advertised in Tetsudo Mokei Shumi.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with misidentified WaMu60000 class boxcars masquerading as WaRa1 class)
stokesda DRGW Krauss Maffei ML-4000 cowl units in fairly well detailed but reasonbly-priced HO. I'm thinking Athearn Genesis, Atlas, or even ScaleTrains. The only option in plastic currently available is the ancient Rivarossi version with the unusual motor arrangement. I think it's about time somebody released a new model of these with a modern drivetrain mechanism.
The only option in plastic currently available is the ancient Rivarossi version with the unusual motor arrangement. I think it's about time somebody released a new model of these with a modern drivetrain mechanism.
stokesdaThey weren't produced in great numbers, and the prototype wasn't very successful, but they are unique-looking locomotives and I'd love to have one.
The lack of variety of road names and numbers severly limits manufacturers. Most manufacturers wont run something in plastic with very narrow appeal.
You can have one for about a mortgage payment.
https://www.brasstrains.com/NewBrass/Trains/Projects/1068/Krauss-Maffei-ML4000
Ho Scale:
SD60e
RDL coal hopper
ACY* I really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past. The basic dimensions of running gear and boiler were pretty constant, but details varied. M&PA's three engines were all a bit different from one another in minor details. Other buyers of this basic Baldwin design included Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain, Ligonier Valley, and many others. One engine was pulled from an order for Mexico and sold to the Buffalo Creek & Gauley as that road's number 4. It eventually went to the museum in Spencer, NC, and is now at Cass, WV. If the engine is produced, I would be partial to a representation of Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain numbers 31-32, with optional wood or steel cab. Optional slide valves or piston valves would be a great thing that would add to the engine's versatility.
Like this one? https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/080641/HO-Brass-Model-PFM-United-MA-PA-Maryland-Pennsylvania-2-8-0-Unpainted
Chopnose EMD SD18 Chessie System in plastic, brass, depleted uranium, pretty much any material other than the current unobtainium.
No, that's a model of Ma&Pa #23-26 which also was also a stock Baldwin design from an earlier period. Similar to many other roads at the time like B&O.
The #41-42 were stock Baldwin designed engines of 1914 or so. The design was used later for Ma&Pa #43 with many subtle changes such as sand and steam domes, Laird crossheads vs Alligator, crescent counterwieights vs square and some other things. The 43 came new with an Elesco bundle type FW heater in 1925. The 41 never received one but the 42 did later on.
I lack the ability to add photos but maybe this link to it will work.
#41
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi79-uh0fLSAhUGPCYKHRi1D9gQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brasstrains.com%2FClassic%2FProduct%2FDetail%2F070723%2FHO-Brass-Model-Train-OMI-1507-Overland-MA-PA-2-8-0-41-Custom-Unlettered&psig=AFQjCNFKTi0RvMHFFn8CjW8iC7NGzhEjqA&ust=1490564880062237
#42
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi0g_bv0fLSAhXB7yYKHSz4CNsQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.btsrr.com%2Fbts6104.htm&bvm=bv.150729734,d.eWE&psig=AFQjCNHMJsHY7-cgksSTAgNnYfBBlGrv_g&ust=1490565062961081
The #43.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fbrasstrains.sirv.com%2Fproducts%2F070710%2F0707100101.jpg%3Fprofile%3Dshowcase&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brasstrains.com%2FBrassGuide%2FPDG%2FList%2FMA-PA%2Fd4269&docid=bsZqnhenFi8E0M&tbnid=x-OMwMXqe8b0DM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjD2fvB0fLSAhXBbiYKHfu2B64QMwgmKAwwDA..i&w=568&h=358&bih=530&biw=1093&q=ma%20%26%20pa%2043&ved=0ahUKEwjD2fvB0fLSAhXBbiYKHfu2B64QMwgmKAwwDA&iact=mrc&uact=8
BMMECNYC ACY * I really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past. The basic dimensions of running gear and boiler were pretty constant, but details varied. M&PA's three engines were all a bit different from one another in minor details. Other buyers of this basic Baldwin design included Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain, Ligonier Valley, and many others. One engine was pulled from an order for Mexico and sold to the Buffalo Creek & Gauley as that road's number 4. It eventually went to the museum in Spencer, NC, and is now at Cass, WV. If the engine is produced, I would be partial to a representation of Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain numbers 31-32, with optional wood or steel cab. Optional slide valves or piston valves would be a great thing that would add to the engine's versatility. Like this one? https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/080641/HO-Brass-Model-PFM-United-MA-PA-Maryland-Pennsylvania-2-8-0-Unpainted
ACY * I really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past. The basic dimensions of running gear and boiler were pretty constant, but details varied. M&PA's three engines were all a bit different from one another in minor details. Other buyers of this basic Baldwin design included Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain, Ligonier Valley, and many others. One engine was pulled from an order for Mexico and sold to the Buffalo Creek & Gauley as that road's number 4. It eventually went to the museum in Spencer, NC, and is now at Cass, WV. If the engine is produced, I would be partial to a representation of Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain numbers 31-32, with optional wood or steel cab. Optional slide valves or piston valves would be a great thing that would add to the engine's versatility.
Actually, the model you cite is the lighter M&PA 2-8-0, which is also a very desirable model that represents a pretty much stock Baldwin design of an earlier era.
The model suggested is a bit larger and heavier, and represents a loco that was more likely to survive into the popular transition era.
(edit); Oops! I didn't see Roger's second post, which says essentially the same thing with more detail. By the way, I have copies of the erection drawings for Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain 31 and 32 if any manufacturer is interested. The optional wood or steel cab, plus optional piston or slide valves, plus optional domes, would make this a real winner! (Hint, hint!)
T
Crossed in mid-electron, Tom! LOL
The 41-43 were very handsome engines. I'm anxiously awaiting the BC&G #4 running at Cass. Hopefully they will allow a magnetic srtrip with MA&PA 41 lettering!
I have to second the motion for the K-M ML-4000. A very unique locomotive.
Might be a long shot but i wouldn't mind seeing some 4-8-0 either in late 1800's or 20th century versions
ACYI really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past.
Ma&Pa 41, 42, and 43 were available as S kits a few years ago. Fortunately, I have all 3 as they are now retired.
Mheetu Might be a long shot but i wouldn't mind seeing some 4-8-0 either in late 1800's or 20th century versions
You mean something like this?
Well, this thread sure has generated an interesting list.
At this point, I'm not likely to buy a ton of different stuff, so manufacturers need not pay attention to me.
But the one thing I might buy a few of is a nice B&O B-18 Ten Wheeler without DCC/sound. I know, I should just buy a few brass ones or build a few myself........I have considered putting a Bachmann Consolidation boiler on the front 2/3rds of a light Pacific frame for a freelanced ATLANTIC CENTRAL ten wheeler.....
Beyond that, I have most everything I need and want in locos and rolling stock for the ATLANTIC CENTRAL.
I do need a few more freight cars of various types, but there is plenty already on the market that will fill my needs or be kit bashed as needed......
Sheldon
doctorwayne Mheetu Might be a long shot but i wouldn't mind seeing some 4-8-0 either in late 1800's or 20th century versions You mean something like this? Wayne
I know that loco, ridden behind her many times.....
Here's two that are on my wish list. Both have been offered in brass (HO scale) but not in plastic.
New York Central class H-10b 2-8-2 Mikado
New York Central class L-2a 4-8-2 Mohawk
*Both photos courtesy Richard Leonard's Steam Locomotive Archive
As I have mentioned in another thread, I would love to see Broadway Limited Imports produce either or both of these. I believe both would be popular models.
JOHN C TARANTO Here's two that are on my wish list. Both have been offered in brass (HO scale) but not in plastic. New York Central class H-10b 2-8-2 Mikado New York Central class L-2a 4-8-2 Mohawk *Both photos courtesy Richard Leonard's Steam Locomotive Archive As I have mentioned in another thread, I would love to see Broadway Limited Imports produce either or both of these. I believe both would be popular models.
I would take a H10 in 3 Rail O. Already have the L2.
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/079302/HO-Brass-Model-PSC-17730-1-N-W-Norfolk-Western-4-8-0-M-2b-1154-F-P
oldline1 Crossed in mid-electron, Tom! LOL The 41-43 were very handsome engines. I'm anxiously awaiting the BC&G #4 running at Cass. Hopefully they will allow a magnetic srtrip with MA&PA 41 lettering! I have to second the motion for the K-M ML-4000. A very unique locomotive. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
Thanks for info Roger and Tom. If you want that particular one, you can set up notifications through their website. If it comes into their store, you'll get an email. The cost for the one Roger linked, if it doesnt go up much in value, would likely be similar to what you would end up paying for a new tooling (plastic or diecast or brass hybrid) locomotive with DCC/sound (maybe less).
I would be happy with either one of those, John. I didn't mention them because 1) they are both already available in brass (OMI, DP, etc.) and 2) I was interpreting the original intent of the thread as listing models you would like to see that were not presently available in the scale you model in.
I would also like to second these ideas. As a 1915 era modeler myself, a small Baldwin 2-8-0 or 0-6-0 with slide valves would be something I could really use. The Nevada mining roads such as the T&T, T&G, BG and LV&T all bought their engines about the same time as the Ma&Pa so there is a resemblance. - Nevin
I would like to see more European (UK) and German steam prototype from the likes of Hornby, Bachmann Branchline and several others in OO scale being more available in the U.S.A.
DAVID FORTNEY I would like to see more European (UK) and German steam prototype from the likes of Hornby, Bachmann Branchline and several others in OO scale being more available in the U.S.A.
David, respectfully, those models exist, and if there was actually more of a market for them here, someone would bother to bring more of them here.
Dispite the growth of "model train collecting" in the last 20 years, model railroading is still a "modeling" hobby here, and most people are not "modeling" a different country.
Years ago, when I ran a hobby shop train department in the early 80's, we tried selling Marklin. It was a total flop for us. We had a few people who already had it, who were happy to have a closer source, but generating new interest simply did not happen.
Not being a "collector" type myself, I will never own a model of a European train. It's not that I don't find them interesting, but I simply don't have a need to own, or a use for, everything I find interesting......I don't even own model of a Big Boy.......
Of course it can't hurt to ask but lets be realistic about what loco's have a wide enough interest for mass production. That is the trick isn't it, which have a wide enough interest and which are too "niche".
riogrande5761 Of course it can't hurt to ask but lets be realistic about what loco's have a wide enough interest for mass production. That is the trick isn't it, which have a wide enough interest and which are too "niche".
And again this brings me back to the idea of a locomotive kit that can be detailed to multiple roads details/variations. I realize the shells are were the cost is these days, but once you make a Pacific of a certain size driver, why not make three different boilers, different cabs, different detail parts? RTR or kit, it has to lower costs?
Bachmann did it rather effectivley with their 4-8-2, 2-10-2, 4-6-0, 2-8-4, 2-10-0. I think it could be carried even farther.
A good and fair-enough point, but sometimes the manufacturers and importers make an "odd" decision and can even create mass appeal out of thin air. One example is the B&O "Dockside" 0-4-0T engine of which there were only two prototypes (and they ran in a contained geographic area and were not even operated system-wide) but which have been mass produced (die cast or plastic) in O, HO, N and perhaps S and TT. In HO, from multiple manufacturers, going back to Varney. Perhaps the most popular model locomotive ever, unless the EMD F7 has exceeded it.
Another example is the Indiana Harbor Belt 0-8-0 -- again very few prototypes, run in an isolated gegraphic region, yet sold in O, HO and N in plastic, and very popular in all three. It would have been no more difficult for Rivarossi way back when to come out with the USRA 0-8-0 instead, but somehow the IHB engine caught on amazingly well. Lucky for IHB modelers, but a frustration for everyone else except the folks who make and sell razor saws.
There are also certain one-off "celebrity" locomotives which have their own constituency, such as The General (but not, oddly, The Texas) and the genuine "Casey Jones" Illinois Central 4-6-0. The Ma & Pa 2-8-0 might almost be in that class, the NYC 2-8-2s not so.
Well, I have to admit there were many USRA engines and copies spead throughout the country. They were/are popular and are obviously a good choice for someone to produce. Same with F-7, FA, E-units, etc. But that isn't the only reason a company produces things.
There are many examples of one-off or low production items. Helium tank cars? Vinegar tank cars? The mentioned IHB 0-8-0? K-M ML-4000? Recently Roco produced a magnificent model of the US Army S-160 2-8-0 built during WWII in a large quantity. Probably sells better in Europe than here especially since they have several operating and on display. I truly understand why BLI cranks out all their Pennsy stuff...........LOTS of Pennsy modelers out there. Still, they seem to be hitting "lesser" roads, maybe not as fast as we would like to see. The N&W M seems an obvious choice along with a stock Baldwin 2-10-0 due to the popularity of those engines at Strasburg.
It's hard to understand the rathionale behind a companies decision to produce something. Squeeky wheels? Owner's priority? Ability to use parts from a similar item they already make and save some big bucks? Who knows.
As to the European models, there are numerous German, British and other models out there that make BLI, Spectrum and Athearn models look pretty weak by comparison. Roco, for one, makes a ton of amazing high quality models. So don't sell them short just because they don't have the appeal to US modelers.
Model Loco or DJH still produce awesome steam kits that no USA company has ever come close to as far as quality and detail goes. Ours were quite crude by comparison.
I'm personally just excited about the next Pig Boy, F-7A and USRA Pacific models that will be produced...........especially with cab radio sounds....just like back in 1945! Yeah!!!
My 2¢,
I'll be building a UK based layout and the few outlets for OO is few and far between. I don't like ordering from shops overseas but sometimes I have to but would like see more U.S. based shops selling OO.
I have always admired OO (1/76th scale and runs on Ho track )
So after 40+ years running and enjoying my American trains I have decided to build and run a European based layout.
Btw I am not a collector.
my Ho trains will be sold to fund my switch to OO.
Who says an old dog can't learn some new tricks.
Roger,
It matters not how good the European models are if a person is not interested in them - I'm not, not to any degree that would get my wallet out.
David,
My collector comment was not directed specificly at you, but you have indicated in the past a wide range of interests and a casual approach to what you run.
That is dramaticly different from people like me who are narrowly focused on one place, era, railroad (or just a few of them that interchange in one region), and it has a big effect on purchasing habbits.
There are locos I own a dozen or more copies of (15 ALCO FA/FB units for example) and there are many more locos I will never own. I have about 130 powered units. Way different from the guy who has 130 different locos.
I have yet to sell off a train because I got bored or changed interests......
This was pointed out in the last week on the Modern Freight Cars List Yahoo Group.
You want a specific model made, come up with detailed drawings of said model, get a lot of pictures in all the paint schemes the model was made and as much historical data as you can, then maybe just maybe and model will get made.
Wish lists like these are useless without information to pique the importers' insterest.
Rick Jesionowski
Rule 1: This is my railroad.
Rule 2: I make the rules.
Rule 3: Illuminating discussion of prototype history, equipment and operating practices is always welcome, but in the event of visitor-perceived anacronisms, detail descrepancies or operating errors, consult RULE 1!
dti406 This was pointed out in the last week on the Modern Freight Cars List Yahoo Group. You want a specific model made, come up with detailed drawings of said model, get a lot of pictures in all the paint schemes the model was made and as much historical data as you can, then maybe just maybe and model will get made. Wish lists like these are useless without information to pique the importers' insterest. Rick Jesionowski
Maybe 3D printed boilers to go over different standard chasis. On demand, no overhead stock. Detail parts can be had in brass/made from brass.
Right. I've seen them both in brass. I've watched nice pieces by Key Imports pop up on eBay now and then. They usually end up selling above my budget. I model in HO scale, mostly NYC steam but I also have NKP and C&O locomotives.
Currently the only brass in my stable is the BLI L-4a Mohawk. Beautiful locomotive. Runs as smooth as silk.
John
ATLANTIC CENTRALRoger, It matters not how good the European models are if a person is not interested in them - I'm not, not to any degree that would get my wallet out.
Sheldon,
I understand and wasn't trying to convert you or anything. I model Western Maryland and have a smattering of many other roads. I was just trying to point out they have some fine RTR models and kits over there. DJH has 2 US engines that we might want to explore as new additions to our rosters. People lament the loss of the lousy Mantua and Bowser kits. Well, here are 2 American prototype designed and built 2-8-0 engines produced as fine kits in the UK. The Roco is an RTR US engine that many here would be interested in having too. A much higher quality engine than any Spectrum, Athearn or MTH engine I've seen.
No pressure or demands to buy them just information for those who may be interested and not be familiar with them.
I'd love to see a couple of things:
an Erie camelback articulated 0-8-8-0, available in brass but WAY over my paygrade:
And a Lehigh Valley J-25 4-6-0, in brass or plastic, either way. The LV had a ton of these and they were everywhere throughout the system, but they've never been done:
It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them.
Hello all,
a complete Aero Train in HO scale with all the cars!
Hope this helps.
"Uhh...I didn’t know it was 'impossible' I just made it work...sorry"
JimT,
The Erie 0-8-8-0 and LV 4-6-0 sure have some wild plumbing going on there! I understand the Camelback but the 4-6-0 makes me wonder! LOL
JimT It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them.
Jim,
According to the NYCSHS website, True Line Trains should hopefully be releasing an RTR version of the above this year in NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y, as well as Rutland. It's still up on their website and I've been patiently waiting since 2013. Cost should be the same as the AMB kit.
tstage JimT It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them. Jim, According to the NYCSHS website, True Line Trains should hopefully be releasing an RTR version of the above this year in NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y, as well as Rutland. It's still up on their website and I've been patiently waiting since 2013. Cost should be the same as the AMB kit. Tom
man, I've also been waiting for those for what feels like forever. What are the chances that 2017 is the year? have to admit I'm not holding my breath. But that sure would be nice.
Jim T.
Here's a 19000 series caboose I built (styrene plastic kit) by Waterlevel Models.
The kit was a BEAR to assemble. I came close to throwing it against a brick wall. Will NOT be building another.
John.
Here's my wish list and I'm not holding my breath for any of them...
Walthers to paint their Northeast Caboose (old P2K model) in Reading steam era scheme.
BLI or someone to do Reading steam era offset side hoppers. Then offer them in multiple road numbers. The Kadee model is nice but they only have offer one road number.
Same for Reading steam era steel boxcars. I am building up a fleet of F&C resin kits, but a painted styrene model sounds superb. I prefer RTR but kits would be just fine.
Bowser to do the passenger version of the Reading AS16. As well as additional road numbers of the Reading AS16.
I'd like it if BLI decides to retool their Reading T1 model to have a diecast metal boiler and tender. Plus more wire and metal details. Plus get rid of the smoke units. Such a model would pull long, heavy freight trains ala the prototype. No smoke units would make for a bit more reliable model too. DC-only versions that allow people to choose their own decoders sounds great to me too.
Alvie
JOHN C TARANTO Jim T. Here's a 19000 series caboose I built (styrene plastic kit) by Waterlevel Models. The kit was a BEAR to assemble. I came close to throwing it against a brick wall. Will NOT be building another. John
VERY nicely done, John.
I have five of those Waterlevel Models NYC caboose kits in my closet that need assembly. What did you find to be the most challenging aspect assemblying them? I thought that the background information included with the assembly instructions was very informative.
John, perhaps in order to not detract from the direction of the thread, could you PM your response instead of posting it here? Thanks!
oldline1It's hard to understand the rathionale behind a companies decision to produce something. Squeeky wheels? Owner's priority? Ability to use parts from a similar item they already make and save some big bucks? Who knows.
I had pretty good sucess with providing documentation and asking nicely, then patiently waiting 2 months. I got a reply and a product added to a manufacturers line. It fell within the realm of product already in manufacturer's line, new paint scheme was an easy addition.
I will probably have to wait a year or two to get them, but it was not the highest priority for me.
oldline1 ATLANTIC CENTRAL Roger, It matters not how good the European models are if a person is not interested in them - I'm not, not to any degree that would get my wallet out. Sheldon, I understand and wasn't trying to convert you or anything. I model Western Maryland and have a smattering of many other roads. I was just trying to point out they have some fine RTR models and kits over there. DJH has 2 US engines that we might want to explore as new additions to our rosters. People lament the loss of the lousy Mantua and Bowser kits. Well, here are 2 American prototype designed and built 2-8-0 engines produced as fine kits in the UK. The Roco is an RTR US engine that many here would be interested in having too. A much higher quality engine than any Spectrum, Athearn or MTH engine I've seen. No pressure or demands to buy them just information for those who may be interested and not be familiar with them. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
ATLANTIC CENTRAL Roger, It matters not how good the European models are if a person is not interested in them - I'm not, not to any degree that would get my wallet out.
I assume you are refering to the USATC S-159 (DJH) and S-160 (Roco) 2-8-0s. While the prototype locomotives were designed and, at least some of them, built in the US, they were intended specifically for use in Europe. After WWII, only a few ended up in the US, some in Alaska and a few in Army bases. While these models (especially the Roco S-160) are beautiful, I do not see a wide appeal for US modelers.
yea kind of like that but i was more thinking of the old Mantua ones also
Well, the other 2-8-0 is the Pershing 2-8-0 of WW I vintage. Many were used in the US and found their way to various shortlines. The S-160 was the WW II version of that military 2-8-0. They were produced for use in the Europen area but I think enough stayed here to create an interest. Lots of folks remember them and saw/rode/worked on them at Ft. Eustis and were exposed through the Alaska RR and other places. I understand they weren't in the same popularity realm of the N&W J or Pig Boys but there are a lot of freelance modelers looking for smaller engines to run. Both of those engines serve that purpose.
The Alaska RR is nearing completion on the restoration of their S-160 #557 and the GSMR has the #1702 running again. Many people see restored engines and want one so there is a portion of folks interested in the models too. There has been mention in several posts here about the N&W #475 that people enjoyed at Strasburg. Models of D&RGW narrow gauge equipment sells like crazy when tourist season opens in Colorado/New Mexico every year.
Even many Ma&Pa modelers want an S-160 to run since the US Army and Franklin Equipment Co. converted the #2628 (later #611) to use Franklin rotary poppet valve gear and tested it on the Ma&Pa for almost 2 years before it went to Ft. Eustis.
Re: the Krauss-Maffei ML-4000...
Mel - that's a pretty neat Athearn/Rivarossi kitbash you've got there. If I get desperate enough and don't have a ton of other modeling projects on the list, I might have to give that a try.
BMMECNYC The lack of variety of road names and numbers severly limits manufacturers. Most manufacturers wont run something in plastic with very narrow appeal.
Two words: "Big Boy"
More words: DDA40X, UP's Gas Turbines
Would also like to see manufacturers offer cars painted and lettered, but not numbered. Include some decals for that so modelers could easily build a fleet with a minimum of painting or decaling work. Walthers did this with their Proto line of passenger cars and it was(is?) great!
Mike
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Believe Me, every road out there is someone's favorite.
Seaboard System has a good fanbase, so make some more Family Lines and L&N U-boats, I'll take an M5 Steel Caboose in Grey/Red/Yellow.
How about that Unique GE BQ23-7? I think Atlas should release a new run with at least two numbers and make them DC/DCC Ready.
The Seaboard has appeal, It's out there.
ATSFGuy Believe Me, every road out there is someone's favorite. Seaboard System has a good fanbase, so make some more Family Lines and L&N U-boats, I'll take an M5 Steel Caboose in Grey/Red/Yellow. How about that Unique GE BQ23-7? I think Atlas should release a new run with at least two numbers and make them DC/DCC Ready. The Seaboard has appeal, It's out there.
It may have appeal, but it doesn't sell, which is why the importers do not make much in Seaboard, ACL, L&N etc. If it sold out quickly then they would make more, Bowser is using the SCL C-430's as parts supply for the other railroads that bought C-430's that sold out.
When It comes to model railroading, it's like less than 10-15% of certain roadnames sell and the rest are ignored.
There's a number of locomotives and cars to draw from, but it's a shame the manufacturers continue to release the same road names into the ground.
BTW, Santa Fe had some U-boats, C30-7's and the SF30C, but I have yet to see Atlas release any!
I'm done ranting, I feel better now.
If Atlas did a new release, I'll gladly take two Seaboard System BQ23-7's.
Maybe a pair of Atlas L&N B23-7's while I'm at it.
ATSFGuy If Atlas did a new release, I'll gladly take two Seaboard System BQ23-7's. Maybe a pair of Atlas L&N B23-7's while I'm at it.
Atlas never made a BQ23-7, those were by Botchmann, which is why you will never see any, we had them at our shop and could not give them away!
ATSFGuyC33-7
C33-7? Must be a rebuild. How's about a C32-8? (ready to go...not the RailPower do it yourself variety)
stokesdaTwo words: "Big Boy" More words: DDA40X, UP's Gas Turbines
Yep, all UP models which is an exception, like PRR and NYC. All of those are well known locomotives.
As a counter point I had never heard of the Krauss Maffei until I watched MME on Brasstrains.com. Its a neat looking locomotive, but I have no use for it. Most of the people who would buy them already ordered the brass (there is only a handful remaining of one road number).
I want a Pacific Coast Shay in HO. I have and will continue to shout as much from every rooftop that presents itself.
Stu
Streamlined steam, oh, what a dream!!
In N scale, it would be great to have a U33C or U36C, an SDP45 in both GN and EL versions, Gensets, PRR H25 and H39 hoppers, wood Erie and Lackawanna cabooses, and EL air horns.
In HO, I'm in on the NYC H10's and Mohawks. I'm also waiting impatiently for the BLI streamlined K4s.
The reason nobody wanted those Bachmann BQ23-7's was because they were cheaply made and totally wrong for Seaboard.
As my focus is on the Santa Fe in the transition era, I know that I am already blessed with a variety of motive power. My wish list:
1. for Athearn Genesis (or Walthers):
GP7 (zebra stripes) with "torpedo tubes"
GP7B (zebra stripes)
It would seem logical that Athearn Genesis will produce these items at some point, but I would like to accelerate this process.
2. Smaller steam. At the moment, Santa Fe steam locomotiv models in "plastic" are models of large engines, such as 4-8-4, 2-10-2, and 2-10-4. BLI announced that they will produce a 4000 class 2-8-2, but this is still a relatively large Mikado. What about a "plastic" version of the arguably most common brass steam engine, the Santa Fe 1950 class 2-8-0?
3. Gas-electrics ("doodlebugs"). The "plastic" Bachmann version of the M.131 is generic and not a good representation of the prototype. The Hallmark brass versions are improved, the ones from Key are top notch. However, especially the latter carry a stiff price tag. It might be worthwhile for some company to explore the possibility to produce doodlebugs "in plastic", just as Rapido did for the RDCs.
Atlas did make Santa Fe C30-7's years ago. A friend has several. It was before the Classic Series. They have fat black handrails and are not nearly as nice as more recent units, and as a result are a tough sell.
Why do we need a plastic Santa Fe 2-8-0 when it is THE most common brass engine, generally runs well, and is often available dirt cheap??? There are easily well more than 10,000 brass PFM United Santa Fe 2-8-0's out there, perhaps more like 14,000, some have said.
The BLI Santa Fe mikado will be a good seller. I dont generally like Santa Fe steam but will very likely get a BLI one anyway. It will go nicely with other mikados like my Rock Island K67b and K68b.
I have yet to see an SP 4-8-2 in plastic.
Athearn has done the SP 4-8-2 in a wonderful Genesis version, both unstreamlined and streamlined. I owned two of the unstreamlined version. They were really nice.
Some things i would ike to see produced would be NYC WWII war emergency caboose, troop sleeper caboose( as used by lines like Bangor & Aroostook and Detroit & Mackinac), more data only freight car kits, decals for walthers' cornerstone series structure kits and vehicles, modern propane tank cars, perhaps ones once mad by walthers.
dti406 ATSFGuy If Atlas did a new release, I'll gladly take two Seaboard System BQ23-7's. Maybe a pair of Atlas L&N B23-7's while I'm at it. Atlas never made a BQ23-7, those were by Botchmann, which is why you will never see any, we had them at our shop and could not give them away! Rick Jesionowski
You can get the cabs on shapeways. Dont know much else about the locomotive, but I imagine you could convert from a standard B23-7?
I want to see this in HO
Probably not an easy sell though as I think only Cargill and ADM have those type of cars.
Also this style of hopper w/ smaller holes on the sides.
Again hard sell even especially w/ the generic paint on the car.
I generally don't reply to these sort of topics because they almost never go anywhere, but many others have so why not . . .
One word: containers.
My new layout has a moderately large intermodal yard and a deep-water port with the very large container ship Albatross docked at the quays. I need containers, a lot of them; certainly hundreds, maybe a thousand or more. Not individuals, but groups. Clusters. Stacked like so much firewood. Clusters that are four or five containers long by three or four containers high by three or four containers deep. Clusters of 40 or 50 or more. Or less. Maybe only 3 by 4 by 2. Or even 2 by 2 by 2. Or for that matter, even 1 by 2. Something other than individuals glued or taped together.
Buying them as individuals would not only cost a ridiculous amount, but it would waste all the detail, paint, and decals on the interior. No. What I need is some manufacturer to produce right-side panels that are detailed and decorated of some modular size and various matrix layout. And left-side panels. And top roof panels. And front panels. And rear panels. Bottom panels aren't necessary. The tooling shouldn't be too difficult (standardized containers after all), it's the paint and decals that need to be different.
Kinda like the modular DPM generic building pieces and parts.
Robert
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ROBERT PETRICK I generally don't reply to these sort of topics because they almost never go anywhere, but many others have so why not . . . One word: containers. My new layout has a moderately large intermodal yard and a deep-water port with the very large container ship Albatross docked at the quays. I need containers, a lot of them; certainly hundreds, maybe a thousand or more. Not individuals, but groups. Clusters. Stacked like so much firewood. Clusters that are four or five containers long by three or four containers high by three or four containers deep. Clusters of 40 or 50 or more. Or less. Maybe only 3 by 4 by 2. Or even 2 by 2 by 2. Or for that matter, even 1 by 2. Something other than individuals glued or taped together. Buying them as individuals would not only cost a ridiculous amount, but it would waste all the detail, paint, and decals on the interior. No. What I need is some manufacturer to produce right-side panels that are detailed and decorated of some modular size and various matrix layout. And left-side panels. And top roof panels. And front panels. And rear panels. Bottom panels aren't necessary. The tooling shouldn't be too difficult (standardized containers after all), it's the paint and decals that need to be different. Kinda like the modular DPM generic building pieces and parts. Robert
Robert, I don't model your era so I don't have any need for these. But I'm sure there are lots of others who would find these very attractive, and I suspect there would be a market. The idea isn't new. Several years ago, Westerfield produced the PRR G22 gondola with cement containers. He provided individual containers, but he also provided an optional complete load that represented many containers, joined into one solid block. It sounds like a variation of the same idea.
ACY Robert, I don't model your era so I don't have any need for these. But I'm sure there are lots of others who would find these very attractive, and I suspect there would be a market. The idea isn't new. Several years ago, Westerfield produced the PRR G22 gondola with cement containers. He provided individual containers, but he also provided an optional complete load that represented many containers, joined into one solid block. It sounds like a variation of the same idea. Tom
Hey Tom-
Yes, I'm sure I'm not the first person to run into this problem. I checked out the Westerfied website and that is kinda what I'm looking for. Thanks for the info.
I'm also aware that there is a kit-bashing solution. For example . . . start with four ordinary off-the-shelf ready-to-roll (so to speak) containers. Carefully cut them apart. You have four right sides, four left sides, four roofs, four front ends, four rear ends, and four bottoms. These parts can be re-assembled into a block of eight containers in a 2 by 2 by 2 arrangement. Twice the number for the same price. I'm sure other, larger mathematical solutions are possible.
I'm all in favor of kit-bashing, and I'm not afraid of the work involved, but I need hundreds of these fiddly bits. What I'm looking for is some manufacturer who produces pre-arranged matrices that can be easily and economically assembled by the casual modeller. In kit form or as finished ready-to-stack assemblages.
ROBERT PETRICK ACY Robert, I don't model your era so I don't have any need for these. But I'm sure there are lots of others who would find these very attractive, and I suspect there would be a market. The idea isn't new. Several years ago, Westerfield produced the PRR G22 gondola with cement containers. He provided individual containers, but he also provided an optional complete load that represented many containers, joined into one solid block. It sounds like a variation of the same idea. Tom Hey Tom- Yes, I'm sure I'm not the first person to run into this problem. I checked out the Westerfied website and that is kinda what I'm looking for. Thanks for the info. I'm also aware that there is a kit-bashing solution. For example . . . start with four ordinary off-the-shelf ready-to-roll (so to speak) containers. Carefully cut them apart. You have four right sides, four left sides, four roofs, four front ends, four rear ends, and four bottoms. These parts can be re-assembled into a block of eight containers in a 2 by 2 by 2 arrangement. Twice the number for the same price. I'm sure other, larger mathematical solutions are possible. I'm all in favor of kit-bashing, and I'm not afraid of the work involved, but I need hundreds of these fiddly bits. What I'm looking for is some manufacturer who produces pre-arranged matrices that can be easily and economically assembled by the casual modeller. In kit form or as finished ready-to-stack assemblages. Robert
You are not the first person to run into this problem. Lance Mindheim did this by building a styrene (or something) core and attaching a photograph of the containers to the core. It falls under the "looks good enough" to the casual observer, but the illusion would break down under very close inspection.
BMMECNYC ROBERT PETRICK ACY Robert, I don't model your era so I don't have any need for these. But I'm sure there are lots of others who would find these very attractive, and I suspect there would be a market. The idea isn't new. Several years ago, Westerfield produced the PRR G22 gondola with cement containers. He provided individual containers, but he also provided an optional complete load that represented many containers, joined into one solid block. It sounds like a variation of the same idea. Tom Hey Tom- Yes, I'm sure I'm not the first person to run into this problem. I checked out the Westerfied website and that is kinda what I'm looking for. Thanks for the info. I'm also aware that there is a kit-bashing solution. For example . . . start with four ordinary off-the-shelf ready-to-roll (so to speak) containers. Carefully cut them apart. You have four right sides, four left sides, four roofs, four front ends, four rear ends, and four bottoms. These parts can be re-assembled into a block of eight containers in a 2 by 2 by 2 arrangement. Twice the number for the same price. I'm sure other, larger mathematical solutions are possible. I'm all in favor of kit-bashing, and I'm not afraid of the work involved, but I need hundreds of these fiddly bits. What I'm looking for is some manufacturer who produces pre-arranged matrices that can be easily and economically assembled by the casual modeller. In kit form or as finished ready-to-stack assemblages. Robert You are not the first person to run into this problem. Lance Mindheim did this by building a styrene (or something) core and attaching a photograph of the containers to the core. It falls under the "looks good enough" to the casual observer, but the illusion would break down under very close inspection.
If that isnt good enough, build a styrene core and stack containers around the outside of it? You need only model the visible sides...
A Brownhoist Ballast cleaner. And the conveyors that distributed the dirt to trailing hopper cars. The PRR had two of their own and Brownhoist had some that they contracted out to railroads . A generic MOW machine that would be correct for almost any railroad. -- Ken
OK, here are a few rather esoteric additions.
1. The old Ulrich triple offset hopper had an unusual number of inside side sakes with corresponding rivet heads, making it correct for only one railroad, the Bessenmer & Lake Erie, which had hundreds. Some of the B&LE cars were sold to other roads like the Union in later years, but you get the idea. Does anybody know who (if anybody) has the old Ulrich dies? Could they be used to produce updated versions of this model in a lighter, more modern material, like resin?
2. Yes, we've been waiting for the new NYC caboose from Tru Line for eons. Once that arrives, is it possible that somebody can produce a kit for the NYC Big Four caboose with the wide cupola? Maybe I'm dreaming.
3. I missed the NYC L-4a 4-8-2 when BLI released it, and could kick myself. Is it possible that it could be reissued?
4. I've said time and again that we could use a Fairbanks Morse H20-44 2,000 HP end-cab road switcher, as used by UP, P&WV, AC&Y, PRR, NYC, IHB, and later by Norfolk & Western and Southwest Portland Cement. Several paint schemes can be justified, including two demonstrator schemes.
5. Then there is the Lima-Hamilton B-B switcher. Even though they came in several different horsepower ratings, they all looked about the same. They were used by Rock Island, Wabash, NYC (including one or two subsidiaries), Erie, B&O, NKP, Armco Steel Company, and possibly others.
6. A really nice "pony" truss bridge. Most models that I have seen are sorely lacking in believable details.
7. A pin-connected single track through truss bridge. Maybe this could be a modification of the Central Valley bridge. This would be ideal for lightly traveled lines or older installations.
I don't want much, do I?
BMMECNYC You are not the first person to run into this problem. Lance Mindheim did this by building a styrene (or something) core and attaching a photograph of the containers to the core. It falls under the "looks good enough" to the casual observer, but the illusion would break down under very close inspection.
This is not a bad idea. I have a theory that is kinda like the "looks good enough" theory, and while I haven't given it a name, if I did I would call it something like "placeholders".
The idea is that you use something, anything, to put in place of a design element to hold its place until something better comes along; buildings, structures, even trees or mountains. Something as simple as a small cigar box to represent a building or a soup can to represent an industrial ground storage tank or an empty paper towel roll to stand in for tall elevated tank. The thing is to use stuff that is about the right size or the right shape or the right color or texture to help visualize the scene. Think Dr Emmett Brown, Scientist from Back to the Future and his model of the Hill Valley courthouse square.
Using rigid styrofoam insulation cut to the right shape and volume and covered with photographs of actual containers is two or three steps above cigar boxes; not quite there, but I think it will look good enough. For the time being.
TThe K2a 4-8-2 stream lined
Anything related to interurbans or trolleys
Robert, there are also paper cut-out containers, that you print. Not sure of specific manufacturers, or suppliers, maybe a search will turn up a few.
Just a thought.
Mike.
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mbinsewi Robert, there are also paper cut-out containers, that you print. Not sure of specific manufacturers, or suppliers, maybe a search will turn up a few. Just a thought. Mike.
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As for models, a good RSD-15 in N would be hard not to buy even though it's out of my era. (Do have one of the old MRC ones. It runs like ****)
ACY 7. A pin-connected single track through truss bridge. Maybe this could be a modification of the Central Valley bridge. This would be ideal for lightly traveled lines or older installations.
The Central Valley 150' truss bridge is already a pin-connected bridge:http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/Thorn%20Creek%20and%20Western/201433113453_Truss%2003_lg.JPG
To get an early one you need to exchange the bottom chord's channels for eye bars. Here is a thread showing the conversion: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/16673
If you want to run heavy diesel locomotives on the bridge you should consider to leave the bottom chords in in the two outer panels as is and to replace only the inner two panels with eye bars. Reason is: In the outer chords the relatively low tensile stress is superimposed by larger compressive strength from e.g. braking.
The resulting compressive strength can lead to buckling of the eye bars.https://www.johnweeks.com/river_stlouis/pages/stlL18.htmlregards, Volker (Germany)
I gave up nagging the makers to produce a PRR BP20 and bought a brass set. Now, can anybody make one of these:
Dave
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VOLKER LANDWEHR ACY 7. A pin-connected single track through truss bridge. Maybe this could be a modification of the Central Valley bridge. This would be ideal for lightly traveled lines or older installations. The Central Valley 150' truss bridge is already a pin-connected bridge:http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/Thorn%20Creek%20and%20Western/201433113453_Truss%2003_lg.JPG To get an early one you need to exchange the bottom chord's channels for eye bars. Here is a thread showing the conversion: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/16673 If you want to run heavy diesel locomotives on the bridge you should consider to leave the bottom chords in in the two outer panels as is and to replace only the inner two panels with eye bars. Reason is: In the outer chords the relatively low tensile stress is superimposed by larger compressive strength from e.g. braking. The resulting compressive strength can lead to buckling of the eye bars.https://www.johnweeks.com/river_stlouis/pages/stlL18.htmlregards, Volker (Germany)
Thanks.
I wasn't aware of that thread until you pointed me to it.
The earlier version is what I had in mind.
That's exactly what I had in mind. I need at least two of these bridges, and have been thinking about using the Central Valley bridge, as is shown. I lack infornation on the exact configuration of the mountings, and was hoping they could be made available commercially. Two of these bridges exist on a defunct PRR branch near here. I guess this calls for a field trip to get measurements and photos.
After giving the thread title a little more consideration, I think that the model I'd like would be late '30s, petite, with a nice smile, a good sense of humour and a well-functioning brain.Santa didn't listen either, so I won't hold my breath for this one.
You're a wild man, Dr. Wayne.
I'd like to see a 50s era chlorine car in HO. Saw them with regularity on the NYC in Michigan. Don't know how common they were in other parts of the country. They'd surely be forbidden these days.
I want to see an ALCO C630 (besides the tyco "super 630" which is a cool model)
and bipolars and maybe a southshore little joe.
Maine_Central_guy I want to see an ALCO C630 (besides the tyco "super 630" which is a cool model) and bipolars and maybe a southshore little joe.
Bowser makes the C-630 and M-630 and has for years!
Rapido needs to release Metrolink's only F40PH, #800 in DC/DCC.
DrW As my focus is on the Santa Fe in the transition era, I know that I am already blessed with a variety of motive power. My wish list: 1. for Athearn Genesis (or Walthers): GP7 (zebra stripes) with "torpedo tubes" GP7B (zebra stripes) It would seem logical that Athearn Genesis will produce these items at some point, but I would like to accelerate this process. 2. Smaller steam. At the moment, Santa Fe steam locomotiv models in "plastic" are models of large engines, such as 4-8-4, 2-10-2, and 2-10-4. BLI announced that they will produce a 4000 class 2-8-2, but this is still a relatively large Mikado. What about a "plastic" version of the arguably most common brass steam engine, the Santa Fe 1950 class 2-8-0? 3. Gas-electrics ("doodlebugs"). The "plastic" Bachmann version of the M.131 is generic and not a good representation of the prototype. The Hallmark brass versions are improved, the ones from Key are top notch. However, especially the latter carry a stiff price tag. It might be worthwhile for some company to explore the possibility to produce doodlebugs "in plastic", just as Rapido did for the RDCs.
Some more 4-4-0's and 2-6-0's to go with those oldtime passenger coaches.
Alco T-6, S-6 and GE P30CH and far as rolling stock goes anything 70s-80s era on Conrail and its predessors that has not been done yet
steemtrayn I gave up nagging the makers to produce a PRR BP20 and bought a brass set. Now, can anybody make one of these:
I think he cut up an Atlas car to do this.
I strongly agree with Seeyou190. If he manufacturers would just make an undecorated version of most if not all of their motive and rolling stock, I think it would please a lot of modelers. Especially me, of course.
wdcrvr I strongly agree with Seeyou190. If he manufacturers would just make an undecorated version of most if not all of their motive and rolling stock, I think it would please a lot of modelers. Especially me, of course.
And maybe a kit version as well.
IRONROOSTER wdcrvr I strongly agree with Seeyou190. If he manufacturers would just make an undecorated version of most if not all of their motive and rolling stock, I think it would please a lot of modelers. Especially me, of course. And maybe a kit version as well. Paul
Over the last 10-15 years as the RTR trend has increased, many manufacturers have offered many items in undecorated versions. These undecorated versions are often "kits" in that many times the detail parts are left off, still "baged", etc.
I have a great many such items, some built, some not yet built, as I am a freelance modeler.
It seems these offering have deminished in recent years, along with the selection of products, which suggests weak sales.
Among the items that come to mind that came undecorated with the detail parts not applied:
Covered hoppers and ATSF 50' reefers from Athearn
Harriman passenger cars from Athearn/Roundhouse
Proto2000 diesels - all types
RS-3 diesels from Athearn RTR line
undecorated items from Spring Mills Depot basically kits
Intermountain still offers kits as their "undecorated" versions, and sells many of their locos as body shell kits and seperate drives.
I'm sure there are many more I can't recall right now. But undecorated items are getting harder to find, and fewer are being offered, no question.
A new run of Athearn Genesis DEMO SD70M-2's
How about some DMU's that Tri Rail uses? I'd love to see those in HO Scale.
Let me see where to start hmm, well a railroad buddy of mine a Rock Island modeller and said RI had 4-8-4s I'd like a R67 and seeing BLI did the MLK version hows about the RI and the D&H be a good idea as well.
I like the N&W and have a J but.... it needs a a train of cars behind it say like Powhatan Arrow or the Pocahontas, I'd like to see new N&W cars for these trains would be nice. Locomotive wise hows about a K 4-8-2 and a 4-8-0.
I'm a big SP fan and love cab-forwards, I'd like to see intermountain do an AC-7 and MTH to do a re-run of their AC-6s again or get BLI to do one, that nad someone to do a AC-9 would be nice. A Harriman 4-4-2 would be a nice addition to the SP and UP plus a UP 0-6-0 class 4421 would be handy to. Oh and a SP Berkshire ex B&M coffin berk. Oh and a certain shop switcher 567 Taylor shops round house in the black and silver daylight scheme.
Last but not least I'd like to see a NKP 4-6-4 L-1a & L-1b would look nice alongside those berkshires, plus one of their tank engines a 4-6-4T or a 4-6-6T I think from memory
Ya, I will go for those old D&H hoppers also, see them on Pan Am and now some on CM&Q.
SAR 500: You probably ought to clarify what tank engines you are talking about. NKP certainly didn't own any. Maybe CNJ? Boston & Albany? CN?
As long as this thread won't die, I might as well add the Lima Hamilton diesel switcher. I'd go for that. And I know a lot of short line & industrial modelers who would love a Whitcomb.
This thread is an opportunity for us to complain about what isn't available, but it seems like some thanks are in order too. So I'd like to thank Intermountain for releasing the AAR alternate standard twin offset hopper a few years ago. We had the standard car from Athearn, Atlas, Kadee, and AccuRail; but until Intermountain heard the whinings of a few of us freight car freaks, the alternate standard was a big void in the hobby. The differences are small in the eyes of many folks, but significant to those of us who care.
Atlas releasing a new run of Santa Fe and Amtrak Dash 8-32BWH/8-40BW's. What's the hold up? Those units sell well so I see no reason to not make some more.
Plus, I need a Dash 8-32BWH in Phase IV for my "New Amsterdam Limited".
My two picks for HO scale would be:
N&W 482 Streamlined
F Unit N&W
K unit as lent to N&W by Penn.
YGW
ATSFGuy Atlas releasing a new run of Santa Fe and Amtrak Dash 8-32BWH/8-40BW's. What's the hold up? Those units sell well so I see no reason to not make some more. Plus, I need a Dash 8-32BWH in Phase IV for my "New Amsterdam Limited".
You are totally right. Instead of one paint release make all three. Can, Diet and Crystal Pepsi.
A remake of or a retooled plain NYC Hudson from Con-Cor or somebody else.
Amtrak America, 1971-Present.
I'd vote for a 4-4-2 Atlantic or 4-6-2 Pacific in PRR or NYC built for DC, not DCC, as I can't afford the switchover to DCC. I already have several locos for DC.
hlwaaser, Pennsylvania / New York Border Railroad - The Penny Line
ACY SAR 500: You probably ought to clarify what tank engines you are talking about. NKP certainly didn't own any. Maybe CNJ? Boston & Albany? CN? As long as this thread won't die, I might as well add the Lima Hamilton diesel switcher. I'd go for that. And I know a lot of short line & industrial modelers who would love a Whitcomb. This thread is an opportunity for us to complain about what isn't available, but it seems like some thanks are in order too. So I'd like to thank Intermountain for releasing the AAR alternate standard twin offset hopper a few years ago. We had the standard car from Athearn, Atlas, Kadee, and AccuRail; but until Intermountain heard the whinings of a few of us freight car freaks, the alternate standard was a big void in the hobby. The differences are small in the eyes of many folks, but significant to those of us who care. Tom
Yes Tom it was the CN one and I think a B&A one would be a handy one to have too.
Should also add some SP GS-2s 3s 4-8-4s too would be nice to my SP line up
SAR 500B&A one would be a handy one to have too.
Just saw two of them for sale, both Brass, one had DCC and sound installed. Both were excellent runners. DCC/Sound was $450-500ish and DC was $400 or so.
I'll add another locomotive: Chessie/B&O SD9 with Dynamic Brakes, can only find evidence of 1839 and 1840 which were both non-dynamic brake equipped locomotives ever being produced in HO scale. Was able to find 1826 (SD7 w/dynamic brakes).
So a Chessie System SD9 numbered 1830-1838 would be great as well.
SAR 500As long as this thread won't die, I might as well add the Lima Hamilton diesel switcher. I'd go for that. And I know a lot of short line & industrial modelers who would love a Whitcomb.
I'll second the call for an HO scale Whitcomb. I found a nice shell for a Type 65 available on Shapeways, but there's no solid information as to what power set it's designed to fit and I admit I'm not brave enough to experiment on my current budget.
While I would settle for the 65, I'd be much more interested in a 45-tonner, or any other 4-wheel diesel switchers in HO scale.
I'd also be interested in some HO (standard guage) shorty flatcars or gondolas in the 30-ish foot range.
molotovh I'd also be interested in some HO (standard guage) shorty flatcars or gondolas in the 30-ish foot range.
Can't help you much with the diesel switchers. But 30ft-ish flats and gondolas have been and are available as kits.
Roundhouse/MDC made a 3-in-1 kit that built 3 gondolas/flat cars. I believe they were 32ft. Might have been sold individually, too. You can find these at trains shows - EBay would generally be pricey for this kind of stuff.
Labelle and Trout Creek Engineering make wood kits for cars this size, including gondolas and flats. This is both new production or new old stock.
Mantua (Tyco), AHM, Bachmann all made freight cars for their 1800s train sets that are in the size range you are looking for. Again, usually found in junk boxes at hobby shops and train shows. Details tend to be crude and oversize. Replace the trucks and couplers, cut off the crude ladders and grab irons and brake wheels, replace with something more suitable and they look pretty good. And if you replace the plastic truss rods, they will look even better.
just my thoughts
Fred W
modeling foggy coastal Oregon in HO and HOn3, where it's always 1900
Components to build a Bush train shed.
I'm grateful East Coast Railroads released some cabooses that previously did not exist.
I might add a Seaboard Local to my roster.
Now if only the same would happen for SOU and L&N.
fwright just my thoughts Fred W
Thank you for the information, sir! Much appreciated.
Some one-of a kind Uboats, and Demonstrators would be good,
How about some of Santa Fe's homebuilt SF30C's? Or an M5 Seaboard System Caboose would work.
Seaboard sells poorly regarding passenger, but it should sell for freight.
SeeYou190Boo to Walthers for announcing an undecorated version of the new ribbed side 32 foot trailer and then not releasing it.
I owe Walthers an appology. I was looking through their website last week, and I saw the undecorated versions of the flluted trailer were finally listed as available! I ordered two packs. They arrived today.
So, YAY TO WALTHERS!
Please keep making undeocrated versions of models available!
Ingalls T4. (GM&O 1900)
B&O C-23 Caboose in Chessie paint.
yougottawantaK unit as lent to N&W by Penn. YGW
Are you talking bout the N&W E-3 4-6-2? They were not loaners but all 5 engines were purchased by the N&W. There was a great conversion article in Railroad Modeler years ago using a Spectrum PRR K4s. So far it has only been available as a brass import from Westside Models. Neat engines!
oldline1
Who wants to see the 1971 Auto train get produced in HO Scale?
I do, love the Red/Purple/White Disco Scheme!
The PRR 4-6-2's that N&W purchased, were actually K3s class. I'm not familiar with the conversion article cited, but making a K3s from a K4s seems to be a fool's errand. The mechanism is the only component that could be reused. The boiler and cab are all wrong and would have to be changed. The valve gear and trailing truck would also have to be changed out. The tender would also need major rebuilding or replacement. Best bet is to look for a Westside brass K3s on the used market.
As far as the mass market is concerned, the K2/K3 classes were mostly extinct by the end of the 1940's, so they probably wouldn't be popular enough to justify mass production. Sorry, but that's reality.
ACY Tom The PRR 4-6-2's that N&W purchased, were actually K3s class. I'm not familiar with the conversion article cited, but making a K3s from a K4s seems to be a fool's errand. The mechanism is the only component that could be reused. The boiler and cab are all wrong and would have to be changed. The valve gear and trailing truck would also have to be changed out. The tender would also need major rebuilding or replacement. Best bet is to look for a Westside brass K3s on the used market. As far as the mass market is concerned, the K2/K3 classes were mostly extinct by the end of the 1940's, so they probably wouldn't be popular enough to justify mass production. Sorry, but that's reality. Tom
Tom,
I think he was wanting an N&W E-3. The E-3's were a 5 engine class the N&W bought from the Pennsy as their K3 class in 1937. The article I mentioned was a guy's hard work where he converted a Bachmann PRR K4s into an N&W E-3.
I don't remember the details as I had a WMC brass model. He did a lot of changes which I don't remember but the one that interested me was his virtually scratcbuilt N&W 15,000 gallon/20 ton round top tender. A favorite tender for me.
Yes, a lot of changes need to be made and even then it isn't as accurate as the Westside brass model.
I want to see HO Atlantic Coast Line Passenger Cars like IHC made a while back, love the Purple/Silver Scheme!
Modelers say the Southeast roads don't sell. Someday they will.
JimT tstage JimT It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them. Jim, According to the NYCSHS website, True Line Trains should hopefully be releasing an RTR version of the above this year in NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y, as well as Rutland. It's still up on their website and I've been patiently waiting since 2013. Cost should be the same as the AMB kit. Tom man, I've also been waiting for those for what feels like forever. What are the chances that 2017 is the year? have to admit I'm not holding my breath. But that sure would be nice.
Chlorine car. There's a photo of an HO model on the internet but I'd bet it's a scratch-built or kit-bashed job. An all-around great job, too, but for the tanks themselves. They apprear to be bashed AAA batteries. Pretty creative, but not with the concave or convex ends that I remember from my youth.
http://www.gatewaynmra.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/carty-chlorine-rail-car-model.jpg
Oops. Looks like MTS made one in brass years ago. Wonder how many of them are out there looking for a new home - at a reasonable price!
https://brasstrains.sirv.com/products/066702/06670201.jpg?&scale.option=fill&scale.width=586&scale.height=511
I'd like to track down a prototye photo of this style, one that's based on a flat car.
I would like to see a low drivered light 2-8-0, like the old Tyco tender driven one, but with modern drive in the loco and detailing, or a light 2-8-2 with low drivers, think the 19 from Emperor of the North. Suitable for small layouts, branch line and logging. The lower drivered Mikado #19 would be a great freight engine for many layouts, could even be offered in the movie road name, along with Yreaka Western and its other owners over the years. We have way to many big steamers, F units, the RS3 has been done several times by several companies, take your pick, same for F units, Big Boys ect. In todays downturn in the hobby, less repitition of exhisting models is needed. Only low drivered 2-8-2's were done in brass decades ago and hard to come by, same for 2-8-0's Mike
Silly NT's, I have Asperger's Syndrome
Great Northern O6 Mikado.
HO Scale:
There are too many streamliners that aren't in plastic. Lemme name a few of them:
-Lark
-Cascade
-Owl
-Starlight
-Golden State
-Sunset Limited
-North Coast Limited
-Panama Limited
-PRR's "Fleet of Modernism" (not a train, but they need to be made)
-Mercury
-The "Rockets"
-Any of the multi-railroad "City Of..."
-The "Eagles"
-1938 20th Century Limited
-1938 Broadway Limited
...among others.
The Jet Clipper HO Scale: There are too many streamliners that aren't in plastic. Lemme name a few of them: -1938 20th Century Limited...
-1938 20th Century Limited...
Actually, MTH has both the '38 AND the '40 10-car set of the 20th Century Limited cars in HO, along with their matching streamlined Hudsons.
How about an HO 14 Roomette, 4 Double bedroom Pullman Standard sleeper with optional flat or fluted sides? They were used by B&O, KCS, MoPac, T&P, SL-SF, MKT, Southern, and possibly others, and were seen on interline trains such as PRR's Penn Texas and B&O's National Limited to New York City and Washington DC.
I'll put my vote in for a Krauss Maffei ML4000 in the cab version with external air tanks and lower intake grills. Either the SP or D&RGW model would work for me. I just acquired an old Rivarossi model and plan to drop it over an Atlas or Athearn chassis based on videos I saw on the web.
I have decided I want Kadee to make a line of HO scale track as high quality and reliable as their wheelsets, trucks, and couplers. It just makes sense.