BMMECNYC ACY * I really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past. The basic dimensions of running gear and boiler were pretty constant, but details varied. M&PA's three engines were all a bit different from one another in minor details. Other buyers of this basic Baldwin design included Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain, Ligonier Valley, and many others. One engine was pulled from an order for Mexico and sold to the Buffalo Creek & Gauley as that road's number 4. It eventually went to the museum in Spencer, NC, and is now at Cass, WV. If the engine is produced, I would be partial to a representation of Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain numbers 31-32, with optional wood or steel cab. Optional slide valves or piston valves would be a great thing that would add to the engine's versatility. Like this one? https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/080641/HO-Brass-Model-PFM-United-MA-PA-Maryland-Pennsylvania-2-8-0-Unpainted
ACY * I really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past. The basic dimensions of running gear and boiler were pretty constant, but details varied. M&PA's three engines were all a bit different from one another in minor details. Other buyers of this basic Baldwin design included Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain, Ligonier Valley, and many others. One engine was pulled from an order for Mexico and sold to the Buffalo Creek & Gauley as that road's number 4. It eventually went to the museum in Spencer, NC, and is now at Cass, WV. If the engine is produced, I would be partial to a representation of Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain numbers 31-32, with optional wood or steel cab. Optional slide valves or piston valves would be a great thing that would add to the engine's versatility.
Like this one? https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/080641/HO-Brass-Model-PFM-United-MA-PA-Maryland-Pennsylvania-2-8-0-Unpainted
Actually, the model you cite is the lighter M&PA 2-8-0, which is also a very desirable model that represents a pretty much stock Baldwin design of an earlier era.
The model suggested is a bit larger and heavier, and represents a loco that was more likely to survive into the popular transition era.
Tom
(edit); Oops! I didn't see Roger's second post, which says essentially the same thing with more detail. By the way, I have copies of the erection drawings for Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain 31 and 32 if any manufacturer is interested. The optional wood or steel cab, plus optional piston or slide valves, plus optional domes, would make this a real winner! (Hint, hint!)
T
Crossed in mid-electron, Tom! LOL
The 41-43 were very handsome engines. I'm anxiously awaiting the BC&G #4 running at Cass. Hopefully they will allow a magnetic srtrip with MA&PA 41 lettering!
I have to second the motion for the K-M ML-4000. A very unique locomotive.
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
Might be a long shot but i wouldn't mind seeing some 4-8-0 either in late 1800's or 20th century versions
ACYI really like the idea of releasing the M&PA 41 2-8-0. This was a standard Baldwin design marketed principally to smaller railroads. It has been available in brass in the distant past.
Ma&Pa 41, 42, and 43 were available as S kits a few years ago. Fortunately, I have all 3 as they are now retired.
Paul
Mheetu Might be a long shot but i wouldn't mind seeing some 4-8-0 either in late 1800's or 20th century versions
You mean something like this?
Wayne
Well, this thread sure has generated an interesting list.
At this point, I'm not likely to buy a ton of different stuff, so manufacturers need not pay attention to me.
But the one thing I might buy a few of is a nice B&O B-18 Ten Wheeler without DCC/sound. I know, I should just buy a few brass ones or build a few myself........I have considered putting a Bachmann Consolidation boiler on the front 2/3rds of a light Pacific frame for a freelanced ATLANTIC CENTRAL ten wheeler.....
Beyond that, I have most everything I need and want in locos and rolling stock for the ATLANTIC CENTRAL.
I do need a few more freight cars of various types, but there is plenty already on the market that will fill my needs or be kit bashed as needed......
Sheldon
doctorwayne Mheetu Might be a long shot but i wouldn't mind seeing some 4-8-0 either in late 1800's or 20th century versions You mean something like this? Wayne
I know that loco, ridden behind her many times.....
Here's two that are on my wish list. Both have been offered in brass (HO scale) but not in plastic.
New York Central class H-10b 2-8-2 Mikado
New York Central class L-2a 4-8-2 Mohawk
*Both photos courtesy Richard Leonard's Steam Locomotive Archive
As I have mentioned in another thread, I would love to see Broadway Limited Imports produce either or both of these. I believe both would be popular models.
JOHN C TARANTO Here's two that are on my wish list. Both have been offered in brass (HO scale) but not in plastic. New York Central class H-10b 2-8-2 Mikado New York Central class L-2a 4-8-2 Mohawk *Both photos courtesy Richard Leonard's Steam Locomotive Archive As I have mentioned in another thread, I would love to see Broadway Limited Imports produce either or both of these. I believe both would be popular models.
I would take a H10 in 3 Rail O. Already have the L2.
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/079302/HO-Brass-Model-PSC-17730-1-N-W-Norfolk-Western-4-8-0-M-2b-1154-F-P
oldline1 Crossed in mid-electron, Tom! LOL The 41-43 were very handsome engines. I'm anxiously awaiting the BC&G #4 running at Cass. Hopefully they will allow a magnetic srtrip with MA&PA 41 lettering! I have to second the motion for the K-M ML-4000. A very unique locomotive. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
Thanks for info Roger and Tom. If you want that particular one, you can set up notifications through their website. If it comes into their store, you'll get an email. The cost for the one Roger linked, if it doesnt go up much in value, would likely be similar to what you would end up paying for a new tooling (plastic or diecast or brass hybrid) locomotive with DCC/sound (maybe less).
I would be happy with either one of those, John. I didn't mention them because 1) they are both already available in brass (OMI, DP, etc.) and 2) I was interpreting the original intent of the thread as listing models you would like to see that were not presently available in the scale you model in.
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I would also like to second these ideas. As a 1915 era modeler myself, a small Baldwin 2-8-0 or 0-6-0 with slide valves would be something I could really use. The Nevada mining roads such as the T&T, T&G, BG and LV&T all bought their engines about the same time as the Ma&Pa so there is a resemblance. - Nevin
I would like to see more European (UK) and German steam prototype from the likes of Hornby, Bachmann Branchline and several others in OO scale being more available in the U.S.A.
DAVID FORTNEY I would like to see more European (UK) and German steam prototype from the likes of Hornby, Bachmann Branchline and several others in OO scale being more available in the U.S.A.
David, respectfully, those models exist, and if there was actually more of a market for them here, someone would bother to bring more of them here.
Dispite the growth of "model train collecting" in the last 20 years, model railroading is still a "modeling" hobby here, and most people are not "modeling" a different country.
Years ago, when I ran a hobby shop train department in the early 80's, we tried selling Marklin. It was a total flop for us. We had a few people who already had it, who were happy to have a closer source, but generating new interest simply did not happen.
Not being a "collector" type myself, I will never own a model of a European train. It's not that I don't find them interesting, but I simply don't have a need to own, or a use for, everything I find interesting......I don't even own model of a Big Boy.......
Of course it can't hurt to ask but lets be realistic about what loco's have a wide enough interest for mass production. That is the trick isn't it, which have a wide enough interest and which are too "niche".
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riogrande5761 Of course it can't hurt to ask but lets be realistic about what loco's have a wide enough interest for mass production. That is the trick isn't it, which have a wide enough interest and which are too "niche".
And again this brings me back to the idea of a locomotive kit that can be detailed to multiple roads details/variations. I realize the shells are were the cost is these days, but once you make a Pacific of a certain size driver, why not make three different boilers, different cabs, different detail parts? RTR or kit, it has to lower costs?
Bachmann did it rather effectivley with their 4-8-2, 2-10-2, 4-6-0, 2-8-4, 2-10-0. I think it could be carried even farther.
A good and fair-enough point, but sometimes the manufacturers and importers make an "odd" decision and can even create mass appeal out of thin air. One example is the B&O "Dockside" 0-4-0T engine of which there were only two prototypes (and they ran in a contained geographic area and were not even operated system-wide) but which have been mass produced (die cast or plastic) in O, HO, N and perhaps S and TT. In HO, from multiple manufacturers, going back to Varney. Perhaps the most popular model locomotive ever, unless the EMD F7 has exceeded it.
Another example is the Indiana Harbor Belt 0-8-0 -- again very few prototypes, run in an isolated gegraphic region, yet sold in O, HO and N in plastic, and very popular in all three. It would have been no more difficult for Rivarossi way back when to come out with the USRA 0-8-0 instead, but somehow the IHB engine caught on amazingly well. Lucky for IHB modelers, but a frustration for everyone else except the folks who make and sell razor saws.
There are also certain one-off "celebrity" locomotives which have their own constituency, such as The General (but not, oddly, The Texas) and the genuine "Casey Jones" Illinois Central 4-6-0. The Ma & Pa 2-8-0 might almost be in that class, the NYC 2-8-2s not so.
Dave Nelson
Well, I have to admit there were many USRA engines and copies spead throughout the country. They were/are popular and are obviously a good choice for someone to produce. Same with F-7, FA, E-units, etc. But that isn't the only reason a company produces things.
There are many examples of one-off or low production items. Helium tank cars? Vinegar tank cars? The mentioned IHB 0-8-0? K-M ML-4000? Recently Roco produced a magnificent model of the US Army S-160 2-8-0 built during WWII in a large quantity. Probably sells better in Europe than here especially since they have several operating and on display. I truly understand why BLI cranks out all their Pennsy stuff...........LOTS of Pennsy modelers out there. Still, they seem to be hitting "lesser" roads, maybe not as fast as we would like to see. The N&W M seems an obvious choice along with a stock Baldwin 2-10-0 due to the popularity of those engines at Strasburg.
It's hard to understand the rathionale behind a companies decision to produce something. Squeeky wheels? Owner's priority? Ability to use parts from a similar item they already make and save some big bucks? Who knows.
As to the European models, there are numerous German, British and other models out there that make BLI, Spectrum and Athearn models look pretty weak by comparison. Roco, for one, makes a ton of amazing high quality models. So don't sell them short just because they don't have the appeal to US modelers.
Model Loco or DJH still produce awesome steam kits that no USA company has ever come close to as far as quality and detail goes. Ours were quite crude by comparison.
I'm personally just excited about the next Pig Boy, F-7A and USRA Pacific models that will be produced...........especially with cab radio sounds....just like back in 1945! Yeah!!!
My 2¢,
I'll be building a UK based layout and the few outlets for OO is few and far between. I don't like ordering from shops overseas but sometimes I have to but would like see more U.S. based shops selling OO.
I have always admired OO (1/76th scale and runs on Ho track )
So after 40+ years running and enjoying my American trains I have decided to build and run a European based layout.
Btw I am not a collector.
my Ho trains will be sold to fund my switch to OO.
Who says an old dog can't learn some new tricks.
Roger,
It matters not how good the European models are if a person is not interested in them - I'm not, not to any degree that would get my wallet out.
David,
My collector comment was not directed specificly at you, but you have indicated in the past a wide range of interests and a casual approach to what you run.
That is dramaticly different from people like me who are narrowly focused on one place, era, railroad (or just a few of them that interchange in one region), and it has a big effect on purchasing habbits.
There are locos I own a dozen or more copies of (15 ALCO FA/FB units for example) and there are many more locos I will never own. I have about 130 powered units. Way different from the guy who has 130 different locos.
I have yet to sell off a train because I got bored or changed interests......
This was pointed out in the last week on the Modern Freight Cars List Yahoo Group.
You want a specific model made, come up with detailed drawings of said model, get a lot of pictures in all the paint schemes the model was made and as much historical data as you can, then maybe just maybe and model will get made.
Wish lists like these are useless without information to pique the importers' insterest.
Rick Jesionowski
Rule 1: This is my railroad.
Rule 2: I make the rules.
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dti406 This was pointed out in the last week on the Modern Freight Cars List Yahoo Group. You want a specific model made, come up with detailed drawings of said model, get a lot of pictures in all the paint schemes the model was made and as much historical data as you can, then maybe just maybe and model will get made. Wish lists like these are useless without information to pique the importers' insterest. Rick Jesionowski
Maybe 3D printed boilers to go over different standard chasis. On demand, no overhead stock. Detail parts can be had in brass/made from brass.
Right. I've seen them both in brass. I've watched nice pieces by Key Imports pop up on eBay now and then. They usually end up selling above my budget. I model in HO scale, mostly NYC steam but I also have NKP and C&O locomotives.
Currently the only brass in my stable is the BLI L-4a Mohawk. Beautiful locomotive. Runs as smooth as silk.
John
ATLANTIC CENTRALRoger, It matters not how good the European models are if a person is not interested in them - I'm not, not to any degree that would get my wallet out.
Sheldon,
I understand and wasn't trying to convert you or anything. I model Western Maryland and have a smattering of many other roads. I was just trying to point out they have some fine RTR models and kits over there. DJH has 2 US engines that we might want to explore as new additions to our rosters. People lament the loss of the lousy Mantua and Bowser kits. Well, here are 2 American prototype designed and built 2-8-0 engines produced as fine kits in the UK. The Roco is an RTR US engine that many here would be interested in having too. A much higher quality engine than any Spectrum, Athearn or MTH engine I've seen.
No pressure or demands to buy them just information for those who may be interested and not be familiar with them.
I'd love to see a couple of things:
an Erie camelback articulated 0-8-8-0, available in brass but WAY over my paygrade:
And a Lehigh Valley J-25 4-6-0, in brass or plastic, either way. The LV had a ton of these and they were everywhere throughout the system, but they've never been done:
It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them.
Hello all,
a complete Aero Train in HO scale with all the cars!
Hope this helps.
"Uhh...I didn’t know it was 'impossible' I just made it work...sorry"
JimT,
The Erie 0-8-8-0 and LV 4-6-0 sure have some wild plumbing going on there! I understand the Camelback but the 4-6-0 makes me wonder! LOL
JimT It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them.
Jim,
According to the NYCSHS website, True Line Trains should hopefully be releasing an RTR version of the above this year in NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y, as well as Rutland. It's still up on their website and I've been patiently waiting since 2013. Cost should be the same as the AMB kit.
tstage JimT It would also be nice to see NYC 19000 series caboose available in plastic/RTR; American Model Builders has kits for them, Trix models are available occasionally but expensive and not particularly accurate, and of course in brass on occasion. Just not easy to build up a fleet of them. Jim, According to the NYCSHS website, True Line Trains should hopefully be releasing an RTR version of the above this year in NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y, as well as Rutland. It's still up on their website and I've been patiently waiting since 2013. Cost should be the same as the AMB kit. Tom
man, I've also been waiting for those for what feels like forever. What are the chances that 2017 is the year? have to admit I'm not holding my breath. But that sure would be nice.