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Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
Nice color,,in that shot, LION.
Cheers,
Frank
Here train of LION visits 76th Street, a place of mystery and intrigue. The subway station was never built because WW-II happened instead, but what is behind those cement blocks? How far does the tunnel go. People have tried FOIA and ground penetrating radar but nobody is saying. Some say the Air Force hides stuff in there. Mystery!
Interesting,LION,,,,,Maybe that end of the line tunnel,is where the ''Big Bad Wolf '',is holding,''Little Red Riding Hood''??
Some say "Jimmy Hoffa"
LION will not tell, but him has examined the area from the surface. This is the place where the Brooklyn-Queens border is, and there is a major drop off in elevation at this point. From the surface it seems that nothing was built here, in fact some have reported that people have talked with trainmen who knew someone who had been in there. {salt}.
LION doubts much was built, although clearly the line does extend past the present wall. It is likely that once examined the engineers found it impossible to continue underground. After all, this was the ORIGINAL mouth of the Hudson River (once upon a time) and is still quite wet down there.
Google "Hudson Canyon"
Oh yes, 76th Street. Was it built or not? I'm inclined to say that at least some tunnel exists beyond the blocks, but how much is the question. Based off of the Joe Brennan famous "April First" photo, I don't really trust his account. But if it does exist, 65 years later, does it really need to be concealed any longer? Maybe make it into another transit museum?
LION has carefully examined the street surfaces in this neighborhood, and while subway grates exist on the Brooklyn side of the line, nothing exists on the queens side of the line. On the Brooklyn side the road is wide with six lanes, on the Queens side it is four lanes and does not have the chunky look that a cut and cover street would have.
LION says, NOPE no tunnel in Queens.
Obviously the tracks pass beyond the present wall, but LION suspects that the tunnel has been filled in, otherwise there would need to be access to it for inspections.
I think the Air Force keeps space aliens back there.
ROAR
Found an interesting NY Times article on that 76th Street thing, makes me want to make a trip to NY and hook up with that Mr. Krokowski, assuming he is still alive, as the article is 10 years old, and go down there and see what I can find
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/21/nyregion/tunnel-vision-next-stop-twilight-zone-a-k-a-76th-st-station.html
If, as the other retired cop says, there once was a door in the cinder block wall, it should be possible to find where it was.
Of course, if it really was too wet past that area, it could be like smashing a fishbowl to pierce that wall in any way.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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BroadwayLionLION says, NOPE no tunnel in Queens. Obviously the tracks pass beyond the present wall, but LION suspects that the tunnel has been filled in, otherwise there would need to be access to it for inspections.
One way to prove or not - Ground Penetrating Radar. Run it across the face of the concrete block wall, and it will show what is back there. All that is needed are the permissions for acess, some thousands of dollars to fund the project, and maybe a flying pig.
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
Some secrets laid bare...
Back on the 76th Street station thing,
Presuming that it does exist and has been sealed off since the 60s, wouldn't any above ground remnants been paved over or removed already? I would think that instead of adjusting/moving the subway grates every time the roads were paved (probably 5-7 times since then), they would have either removed them, or just paved over them.
The combination of the signals facing the concrete wall and the tracks going into the cinderblock wall shaped like a tunnel mouth seems enough evidence that at one point there was a track through there. In addition, it looks like the supporting structure for the tunnel (including the pipes? along the wall) go straight into the concrete, which seems like a silly way to do it if you're building the end of a line. No junction box or anything. Besides, why put a red signal only 20 feet from a bumper, and a signal that has TWO lights.
Ground penetrating radar or sonar is the way to go.
S&S
Modeling the Pennsy and loving it!
Schuylkill and SusquehannaPresuming that it does exist and has been sealed off since the 60s, wouldn't any above ground remnants been paved over or removed already?
If it was built then yes, but no once it passes into Queens Pitkin Avenue is much narrower, the pavement looks like it was laid on the ground and not on the cover of a subway tunnel.
Schuylkill and SusquehannaThe combination of the signals facing the concrete wall and the tracks going into the cinderblock wall shaped like a tunnel mouth seems enough evidence that at one point there was a track
By itself, no, it proves nothing. That signal is controlled by the Euclid Tower which was built. Interlocking plants have an internal integrity, and that signal provides for that integrity even if the tracks beyond it were never built. It was intended that they be build, obviously, and the contract to build the Euclid tower made provision for these tracks, and thus they had to have a homeball controlled by the tower that was built.
Schuylkill and SusquehannaIn addition, it looks like the supporting structure for the tunnel (including the pipes? along the wall) go straight into the concrete,
Yes, they do. This tunnel was indeed longer than it is now, and some of it has apparently been filled in. That too was never in question, rather did the tunnel actually extend to 76th Street or not?
From evidence the LION sees, no it did not, from stories of others, pay your money and take your chances.
Could Hoffa be in there ??????????????
Phil
fec153 Could Hoffa be in there ?????????????? Phil
Ask Geraldo Rivera.
Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820
Dave
Just be glad you don't have to press "2" for English.
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steemtrayn fec153 Could Hoffa be in there ?????????????? Phil Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820
A buried subway train is quite possible. FDR's coach is buried under Grand Central.
LION used round dowels for the stanchions, him printed adhesive labels with color and signs to wrap them with. The labels did not stick to themselves very well, so LION taped the labels down, but the tape did not stick so well either. I guess you could say that the LION is stuck.
Schuylkill and Susquehannasteemtraynfec153 Could Hoffa be in there ?????????????? Phil Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820 A buried subway train is quite possible. FDR's coach is buried under Grand Central. S&S
steemtraynfec153 Could Hoffa be in there ?????????????? Phil Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820
When they constructed the English Channel Tunnel they used boring machines coming from both ends. When they met in the middle, it was impossible to get them out because they were larger than the diameter of the completed tunnel, so they used them to dig side tunnels and abandoned them in place. It was not considdered cost effective to dis-assemble them and pull the parts out.
When they built the Hudson and Manhattan there was supposed to be a branch on 9th Street leading to Wannamaker's. Well to make a short story long, the store is no longer there and the subway was not built.
They did use a tunneling machine of some sort, and it still is parked in the nub of a tunnel at 9th Street, but it is almost impossible to see since they have put an electric substation or some such in that place.
Several boring machines in NYC have been abandoned in place, and others have been taken apart, rebuilt and used elsewhere.
p.s. I am told that a MONSTER has hijacked that particular machine and built a clandestine tunnel that comes out near 76th Street. Er... If it comes out at all. [music--- cue Rod Stirling]
p.p.s. LION has such a tunnel on the layout of him, coming off of the Canal Street Station, the line and tunnel appears to go forward, but abandons that notion and turn to the left and onto a different route. This looks just so natural on my layout that it had to be built this way, and is a mirror image of the BMT leaving Canal Street in NYC. There is a line that moved forward, but was abandoned in favor of a line turning right onto Broadway.
I am going to have to do more work on this station. The station to the left (Dyckman Street) is an elevated station (at this end of the platform -- at the other end it ducks into a tunnel) and I am going to cut away some of the "open cut" so that the third floor of apartment buildings will be seen on the backdrop behind the track. Obviously, the street will have to go up hill as it moves south, because the next station is in an open cut. and enter a tunnel at the next corner. We will sea what the LION can do with it.
You are looking at the upper level, to the right is the middle level, below that is the lower level.
LIONS do not know how to do simple.
BroadwayLionWe will sea what the LION can do
First llamas (or was it lamas?), now sea lions. What critters will we sea next??? Crockogators, giant spiders, pushmepullyou - only time will tell......
Here is a picture of Lion when he was in the Navy. A sea Lion.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Sea LIONS are not the worst of what you will see on this railroad. Here is the SECRET TUNNEL. It is not part of the 'visible layout', it does not even appear on the model board as such. It loops the express line from the LENOX tower in Manhattan to the NEVINS tower in Brooklyn so that those trains may run as a loop.
Since it is a SECRET TUNNEL, it, like all secret tunnels, must have MONSTERS in it. I do not know whose rule that is, but it is, so just accept it. There will be black light LEDs triggered by the passing trains, and there will be day glow monsters and comets and such in there, but nobody will get to see them, unless perhaps they will see the video taken from the Rail Fan Window.
Here is said SECRET TUNNEL, it rides next to but well below the Smith 9-th Street station, the train appears to fly across the Brooklyn skyline, but one can stand on a step stool, and look down onto this track, the tunnel being left open like this to allow access to the 0-5-0 switcher.
Notice FOAM construction of LION. Very Easy, elements are simply glued in place. The train is riding on a piece of 2" thick fiberglass roofing insulation. You can buy the stuff in home stores, LION follows roofing contractor to job site, and then dumpster dives for discarded product. The blue backdrop left will be the backdrop for the Gowanus Canal. It will be the only body of water on the layout.
Notice the number scratched into the foam riser. it is a measurement in inches (4" 7/8), each riser being a different height to maintain the proper grade. This tunnel is part of the long helix, the Nevins street station being on the lower level opposite and the Lenox station being on the upper level opposite. The entire elevation change between these two stations is accomplished in this long helix. Stations do have adequate finger room for the decoration of these stations, so it is quite an elevation shift. Both stations are also on an incline since together they will take you from the visible Smith 9th Street Station on the middle level down about 15 inches to the Chambers street station on the lower level.
LION art at 42nd Street
The blurry feel of this last pic kinda makes 42nd street station look like a close up of a hannukkah menorah
Joe Staten Island West
Looks like LION slipped up a few posts back, him talk in first person.
LION at Avenue H... Ok, there is no tower ther, but the roof lines of the tower are similar to the roof lines of the station house: an interesting building in its own right.