QUOTE: Originally posted by greengoose1 A few quick unrelated points. Greed - human greed rules all. Supply and demand factors are tools of greed. The economic result for each and every person in this world is less wealth as the wealth is divided up among all.
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by higssy I'm really tired of hearing it's made in China. This has to stop long term it is really going to effect our economy. I'm a mould-maker and this threat hangs over our heads all the time. They can build moulds much cheaper over there than we can and there technology is suprisingly good. I work for a major company and our Gm plus others from the Corporation went to China to view there shops and techniques. If we're not careful, five years down the road we'll be out of a job and wondering what happened. I don't see any solution othere than the Government putting a stop to it. Not only does it affect plastics but every other function of life, if they can build it cheaper somewhere else then there going to do it, which will put alot of people out of work. Governments need to industrialize the world to help Countries catch up.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dkelly China is making money off of us? And then they hold our plane hostage? Funny thing. I don't remember China forcing American companies to manufacture stuff there. I dare say that in the big scheme of stuff China is not making as much on each sneaker made there as this country would if it were made here. Manufacturers are there because they can increase their bottom lines by being there because of a higher profit margin and the fact that American consumers like the results of stuff being made there. (how much would a name brand sneaker cost if made here in America?)Political rallies? Write the manufacture? None of this works. If people truly want a manufacturer to stop doing business in a certain country . . . . say China, then there is a simple solution. Stop buying its product. You can write a CEO a hundred letters today . . . but it's a waste of time if you just turn around and buy the product anyways. These are corporations . .. . they are concerned with one thing . . . the bottom line.
QUOTE: Originally posted by railman QUOTE: Originally posted by dkelly China is making money off of us? And then they hold our plane hostage? Funny thing. I don't remember China forcing American companies to manufacture stuff there. I dare say that in the big scheme of stuff China is not making as much on each sneaker made there as this country would if it were made here. Manufacturers are there because they can increase their bottom lines by being there because of a higher profit margin and the fact that American consumers like the results of stuff being made there. (how much would a name brand sneaker cost if made here in America?)Political rallies? Write the manufacture? None of this works. If people truly want a manufacturer to stop doing business in a certain country . . . . say China, then there is a simple solution. Stop buying its product. You can write a CEO a hundred letters today . . . but it's a waste of time if you just turn around and buy the product anyways. These are corporations . .. . they are concerned with one thing . . . the bottom line. Nobody is "forcing" anybody to go to china, but remember a few things before everyone starts singing "Kum-by-ya" ( I KNOW I spelled that wrong, sorry) and praising this one world bs- China has, through government intervention (i.e. Communist gov't) their currency artificially weak, and sets it's value. The US and others adopted a floating dollar that responds to the market, et.c. This is one reason companies are lured there. China also has rampant piracy and duplication that has beguh to catch up with automakers and the like that sell their cars in China- many of China's models look very similar to american cars. The makers protest, but who do you complain to? Another thing that they don't want you to know, is that in China pollution control is pretty much ZERO. So we might be one world but it isn't gonna be around much longer. By the way, working conditions are pretty much zippo squat. So if we're propping up a new economy, it's only very poorly, and we should be ashamed of ourselves for doing so. In the face of this, the ultimate question is; will our costs go down? No. We'll still be paying the same as if a union guy with three kids and benifits was making that model, or a unknown guy getting a nickel and hour was stamping the presses. That's the part that irks me.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by darth9x9 You would be amamzed at how cheap it is to make things in China. It costs less to make a brand new 40' steel container (like the ones we see on stack trains and that ride on container chassis) in China than it does to ship an empty one back to China. Now think about that for a minute...the steel they are producing is essentially disposable. It's hard to compete against that.
QUOTE: There is not one case of trade restrictions working but there are many where trading raised entire countries.