Todd- Check with H.D. and Lowes. They do come in different widths Two of my friends have done it with good results. Also, another idea-Bifold doors. They come slotted ,top or bottom, for ventilation[airflow]
Peace - Prayers -Blessings.
Flip
Whoops-T.O.P. Belly up folks.Food and drinks on my tab.
Just a quick stop.
Here's a shot of the swamp I've been working on. I still gotta add some detail work, and maybe some small animals. I would love to add some "cat tail" but no idea on how to make them??
"Rust, whats not to love?"
Robby P. Sawyer.... No snow, well us PA people dodged a bullet. My home town got about 6 inches, and I thought you might have.
Sawyer.... No snow, well us PA people dodged a bullet. My home town got about 6 inches, and I thought you might have.
I wish we ahd gotten snow! and that probably sounds like crazy talk to you northerners, but the last time we had a good snow was when I was in first grade!
Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
Robby P.I would love to add some "cat tail" but no idea on how to make them??
http://www.trains.com/MRR/default.aspx?c=a&id=391 We'll be waiting.
Todd
Central Illinoyz
In order to keep my position as Master and Supreme Ruler of the House, I don't argue with my wife.
I'm a small town boy. A product of two people from even smaller towns. I don’t talk on topic….. I just talk.
Packers#1I wish we ahd gotten snow! and that probably sounds like crazy talk to you northerners, but the last time we had a good snow was when I was in first grade!
Well Hoss...come on up to Iowa, we're due for more tomorrow into Tuesday. Tell ya what I'll do, I'll go high-fiber the cows...see if they can flatuate enough "global warming methane" to direct the latest storm more toward your direction!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good evening one and all,
Welp, had a good-news/bad-news situamacation. I dug out the "Free Haven Terminal RR" plan from the Oct. '90 MR. I realized why one particular corner looked like it would end up over 4' deep. The plan, which CLAIMS to be 1/2" = 1' is NOT! Don't know what it is...but it's a heckuva lot bigger. I came to this brilliant realization when I laid my 1/2" = 1' floorplan over it...and found a huge disconnect.
So...I am (again) optimistic THAT this plan can be tweaked to fit my space.
However, I need the architect scale to figure-out what in the blazes scale the MR plan IS in...and it has invisibilated itself!
Gone.
Like it never existed other than in my often fertile imagination...
IF it 'taint one thing...it's always another!!!!!
I see TODD cleared off the drafting table, and it looks like some nice padded walls around it. Think I'll make use of THAT...uh, somebody maybe wanna put JIM on stand-by? I think he's still on-call, and I hear he's good at untangalating tangled up minds
I'll just go and Daffy Duck around on the padded walls......
Chris
The Cedar cRapids Industrial Branch: Proudly Shipping Yesterday's CrunchBerries Tomorrow!
AmanaMedicWelp, had a good-news/bad-news situamacation. I dug out the "Free Haven Terminal RR" plan from the Oct. '90 MR. I realized why one particular corner looked like it would end up over 4' deep. The plan, which CLAIMS to be 1/2" = 1' is NOT! Don't know what it is...but it's a heckuva lot bigger. I came to this brilliant realization when I laid my 1/2" = 1' floorplan over it...and found a huge disconnect.
If it anything like certain of my own grids they might have shuffled a 1/4" grid under it by mistake! I've seen that on some N scale "plans" that some people would fob off on some unsuspecting soul and when one would get to the point of getting it all laid out-----PTOOOFF!! Suddenly it becomes nothing more than guibble-----
AmanaMedicI see TODD cleared off the drafting table, and it looks like some nice padded walls around it. Think I'll make use of THAT...uh, somebody maybe wanna put JIM on stand-by? I think he's still on-call, and I hear he's good at untangalating tangled up minds
I like the fact that Jim is on call---- BTW---keep that SC around--we might need it too---I've discovered an issue--or 2--on my own layout----
Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry
I just started my blog site...more stuff to come...
http://modeltrainswithmusic.blogspot.ca/
AmanaMedicPackers#1I wish we ahd gotten snow! and that probably sounds like crazy talk to you northerners, but the last time we had a good snow was when I was in first grade! Well Hoss...come on up to Iowa, we're due for more tomorrow into Tuesday. Tell ya what I'll do, I'll go high-fiber the cows...see if they can flatuate enough "global warming methane" to direct the latest storm more toward your direction!
that just might be crazy enough to work!
Well, haven't done much today. did get almost all of my research for a project for World geography class finished.
Todd........Thanks for that!!! I like the picture at the end of the "how to" of the layout shot. That will really help.
Well jeepers THAT was fun... looked, looked again, looked again at the looked again... STILL can NOT find the architect scale. Had some real fun though...Loving Wife swore there was no way it had gone back to her, AND THAT she thought I also had her non-slip steel rule and some pica-thing ruler. I retrieved both items from her "art cart" within seconds. "You mean THESE?"
Soooooooooo, I keep thinking it somehow made its way back downstairs to her studio, or within a close proximity.
Then again, the mouse in our house might have grabbed it so he could design himself a better apartment than wherever he's currently dwelling. Rerun seems to have engaged in some sort of peace treaty with said mouse.
I managed to pull-out enough math from the deepest memory banks to figure out THAT the plan in question is...roughly 3/4" = 1'. It looks like it was blown-up to fit the page, regardless of what the printed scale indicated. I think '90 might've been the same year they published a highly-touted drawing of the GP-18...then caught hell because it had too many GP-7/9 features. The MR folks later fessed up they had used a new computer system, essentially "cutting and pasting" in features.
Heck, seems to me, and maybe I've banged my head a time or two too many...but it seems THAT a plan designed to fit into a 10x11 room "should" fit with some adjustments into a 9x13. A little cut here, some stretch there...
SAWYER: What've they got you doing in geography? Just curious...I haven't had to sweat-out a project like that in... *counts on fingers, loses count, tries again...gives up* 20-something years. Since I cover a school district for THAT, it's interesting to me to see just what you young-uns are a-learnin'.
BARRY: The SC is still sitting just underneath the RC...help yerself.
Heck, I'll just have myself a pull of it here... smoooooooooooooth.
And now back to using Loving Wife's gradeschool vintage wooden ruler...complete with the still kinda sharp (ask me how I discovered THAT) metal blade along one edge. You know, I for the life of me can't remember what THAT was for...cutting paper maybe? Yeah, a 12" long strip of sharp steel...MUCH safer than scissors...
Hello ... Hot cider please.
Sam .. I like the BAR 54 joke.
Duke ... That's a plush toosh caddy. Wow.
Cal Tom ... Nice prgress on the DRGW brass loco !
Here's a video some of you may have seen of BNSF rotary plow on the former CB&Q line in Nebraska.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCqEBdjaXpM
GARRY
HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR
EVERYWHERE LOST; WE HUSTLE OUR CABOOSE FOR YOU
AmanaMedicSAWYER: What've they got you doing in geography? Just curious...I haven't had to sweat-out a project like that in... *counts on fingers, loses count, tries again...gives up* 20-something years. Since I cover a school district for THAT, it's interesting to me to see just what you young-uns are a-learnin'.
This project is on Daoism, Confucism, Budhhism, Hinduism,a nd Legalism. Right now we're working on Mesopotamia, but soon we're moving east, haha.
Packers#1This project is on Daoism, Confucism, Budhhism, Hinduism,a nd Legalism. Right now we're working on Mesopotamia, but soon we're moving east, haha.
I had some of that in high school (comparative religions) and again in college (eastern thought). I had a major "DOH!" moment with it. As an "art major" (art with graphic design concentration...wanting to be a news photographer...yeah, worked out great. Really), I had to take a sculpture class. The eastern thought professor's office was just down the hall from the sculpture room. He's walking by one afternoon, I figure I'll display my brilliance, my complete grasp of the concepts we'd been covering during the semester. I proudly grabbed a block of wood and said "Hey look, I've got the uncarved block of Zen!"
He says..."That's Dao (or is it Tao?)." I'm mortified. I'm seeing my grade for the semester vaporizing in front of me. He then starts laughing and walks on down the hallway. I'm still in full "oh-s....... oh-s.........." mode...and he's laughing more and more, harder and harder. I passed...which for a gen-ed class was the sole goal. But man...he always chuckled a bit when he'd see me in the sculpture room after THAT little show...
So glad I could bring happiness to others...
Evenin' folks!
Zoe just a nice hot cup of decafe to get me warmed up. I'll be in the back booth by the stove.
Jeffrey, comeon...... look at the page, you can do it, Just look harder!!!! A few years before I retired our faculty was treated to a days program on handicapping conditions. I remember quite well the task of making us read out of a mirror and having one of the teachers who w*rk with kids who have dyslexia stand over you and "harass" you while you are trying to read a page. Also where you are given a sheet and told to read it aloud with letters and words reversed and are treated to loud sighs, rolling eyes, and other distractions while you are trying to complete the task. Then being told you are just lazy in front of the rest of the faculty! It was a major big eye opener for a lot of us. Hope it rights itself soon! Keep you in my thoughts and prayers!
TomW, the loco will be a nice addition to the fleet when you have it done! Keep us updated.
Todd......... Two Years........... (Shakes head) Yep I do remember now you telling us about it all. Two years! (Shakes head)
Got to my sister's this afternoon and found her in tears. It seems the neighbor's cat "Bilbo Baggins" who was about 3-4 years old had just died on her front porch. She had been playing with him earlier in the day and then had gone over to the house where the cats lived and was talking with the neighbor. when she left, Bilbo ran out and made a bee line for Nancy's porch. She arrived just in time to see him collapse and die right in front of her. He was perfectly OK up to that moment... The owned called the Vet who said probably heart just stopped and that was THAT. This was taken a year and a half ago on my sister's porch:
Well, we got my sisters new MacBook Pro all set up and w*rked on little things like not moving the mouse when you click something......... She couldn't believe how much different the process was than what she remembered..... She has used a neighbors PC at times, but they usually have got her to where she needed to be and then clicked send for her.. It should be an interesting few weeks as she gets acquainted with the new toy. She will get set up for wireless on Tuesday. Just for fun we found several of her neighbors that have wireless at their houses. A couple of them she could have joined....... The one she would have tried was locked, but several were wide open. Time Warner will set hers up so that no one else can get into it without her permission.
Time to get some stuff done. Later!
73
Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
howmusJeffrey, A few years before I retired our faculty was treated to a days program on handicapping conditions. I remember quite well the task of making us read out of a mirror and having one of the teachers who w*rk with kids who have dyslexia stand over you and "harrass" you while you are trying to read a page. Also where you are given a sheet and told to read it alowed with letters and words reversed and are treated to loud sighs, rolling eyes, and other distractions while you are trying to complete the task. Then being told you are just lazy in front of the rest of the faculty! It was a major big eye opener for a lot of us.
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Evening all. Flo, I'll take a RBF, thanks.
Didn't get in yesterday, cause I had to work on my chem lab and my spanish paper.
Spent the weekend down the shore. We actually got some snow down there, but none up here.
Pretty busy week. Got hockey M, W, F, and Saturday. That, and I have to finish my spanish paper, on top of regular homework... :/
Well, I got the lumber for the layout transported from my dad's office to the garage. My mom said I can't start building until I finish my spanish paper, though. MAYBE, IF I find some time (pfft, yeah, right, keep dreaming, Joe, keep dreaming...) I can finish cleaning up the basement and rearrange the furniture, so I can start construction.
Catch ya guys later!
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I’m 6 pages behind this morning, so I’m playing catch-up here.I assembled the foundation for the roundhouse and the Machine Shop; The cement pads have been painted and distressed. The upper edge of the inspection pits received a nice rusty highlight. I’m trying to remember how things looked in the Stanley Engine Shops. Not sure I’ll model the standing water that always seemed to plague the inspection pits.I also re-motored and re-wired a 1970’s MANTUA Pacific. I added BULLFROG SNOT to the drivers without flanges. The BullFrog snot took the locomotive from a wheel spinner with 12 cars to a pulling dynamo easily pulling 28 cars around the layout.
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Joe, “THOSE ARE REAL” ok, there you go, the pictures are still models but I hope that helps a little. I know I had a real sense of inadequacy myself. Todd, I’m right there with you, I can see myself abandoning the entire hobby if that guy was modeling N-visible or H O, LOL! Sue, welcome back! I told you guys she was still alive!Now we need Fergi to wander in, I guess he doesn’t have internet while underway?Duke, I’ve noticed several of the guys built a chair with wheels to get under their layout. It’s like a wood Windsor chair, reclined, with the legs cut off and the back cut down to fit under the layout. Too bad I didn’t have your stool or one of these Winsor’s to wire my layout.
LSWrrJoe, “THOSE ARE REAL” ok, there you go, the pictures are still models but I hope that helps a little. I know I had a real sense of inadequacy myself. Todd, I’m right there with you, I can see myself abandoning the entire hobby if that guy was modeling N-visible or H O, LOL!
I'm with those statements!! Sheeesh!! Those 'models' are something else!
Good Morning--
A nice day is forecast----minus the ever popular 30% chance of little tiny snowflurries.
Actually have a bit of time to do some MRR stuff today---may have to redo the Williston Terminal yard as it's starting to look terminally ill Good thing those wall sections are padded Did Flo get that punching bag I suggested? Good---it's in the corner
Chloe, I'll just have that 3 egg special and a large coffee please--oh, sunny side up and sausages please thanks---I'll be at the corner booth
Good morning All,
Just a regular to go in a NH travel mug please. Loads of fun at the Amhearst train show but didn't see Dick or Bob. Did see a bunch of fellow racers though. Finally got to go to the Steaming Tender rest. More to follow, probably tomorrow after we get the last of the panic stuff done for departure tomorrow. CUL, J.R.
Good morning. Another cold morning, and maybe a coating of snow tomorrow.
Just a typical day for me today. Probably head down to the layout later this morning.
Hope everybody has a good morning. I will be back in for the Mondays lunch special.
Good morning. It's 35 with a rain and snow mix. The high will be around 50 and it will will be cloudy.I'm able to read somewhat better today for about 8 to 10 minutes at a time. That's better than it was yesterday for sure. I'm hoping this clears up soon. To say that it's aggravating is an understatement to say the least. I'm debating on whether or not to go into town today and pay some bills that can't be paid any other way or hold off until tomorrow when I have to go into town anyway for my doctor appointment. I know it would be better to consolidate all the errands into one trip but I'm feeling rather like the Vontage gnome in those cabin fever commercials when he says I've got to get out of here. There's also the grocery shopping to consider.
Good Afternoon,
it is fairly mild outside - + 2C, but that´s going to change. The weather guessers are predicting a series of blizzards for the next days, adding another foot of that white & wet stuff to the 2 feet we have. Took me more than an hour to drive to the GULAG.
Yiipeeh! Only 6 more days in the GULAG! I will be enjoying my freedom very much!
Jeff - you are doing just fine - my for your stamina you have to be able to cope with all your health issues!
Flo, just a cafe au lait for me - I´ll stay at the RC.
Good Morning. Just coffee please and thank you. Gotta get a move on if I wanna get back to tearing down the layout. Don't worry, I'll still be king. I'm looking forward to starting over. I can do some things differently that I've learned.
Looks like I'm not alone in the start up phase.
Got a question. I'll ask it here because you guys will give me an answer, even if it's I don't know, rather than turning it into a "one or the other" bash fest. What is the difference in using expanded foam, which I'm using now, versus the extruded foam which everyone talks about and swears by. I know the difference in the two foams, just wondering why not many use the expanded. I've had no problems with it what so ever.
Welp, best get a movin. I want/hope to get some demolition time in today.
Have a Great Day!!!
TMarshGot a question. I'll ask it here because you guys will give me an answer, even if it's I don't know, rather than turning it into a "one or the other" bash fest. What is the difference in using expanded foam, which I'm using now, versus the extruded foam which everyone talks about and swears by. I know the difference in the two foams, just wondering why not many use the expanded. I've had no problems with it what so ever.
blownout cylinder LSWrrJoe, “THOSE ARE REAL” ok, there you go, the pictures are still models but I hope that helps a little. I know I had a real sense of inadequacy myself. Todd, I’m right there with you, I can see myself abandoning the entire hobby if that guy was modeling N-visible or H O, LOL! I'm with those statements!! Sheeesh!! Those 'models' are something else!
Good Morning, guys. I was just walking by and saw some of you ooohing and aaaahing over the "models" in that slide show. Somebody probably has already pointed this out, but the grinning guy in the photo with the module and cars didn't make any of the cars---unless he lives in China. Those are all (or at least the vast majority I could see) sold by an oufit called Danbury Mint, and made in China, or "crafted in China" as the sticker on the bottom of several that I own says. They have dozens of similar vehicles and all seem to be of the same high quality and sell for less than $100 if I recall correctly.
I get a mailing from them every couple of months and almost all of the 'models' in the slides are in the brochure, right down to the same color choice. Now he may have made the buildings in the modules, and the photos are top notch, but I'd be willing to make a healthy wager he did not make the cars. If he did, he copied Danbury examples right down to the 1/24 scale (I think that's right) and the colors--some of which seem a little unusual to me even though they are period correct.
Gotta keep going, cause if I sit much longer at this computer I'll never get any work done on the layout.
Best to all and enjoy the eats.
Mike
Todd - there is a distinct difference between those 2 materials. The white, "pearly" stuff is not very strong and can hardly be shaped with any other tool than a heat saw, just like WS offers. It is a complete mess to work with - you will find those sticky little bits all over your house. It is cheap or even for free, when you use recycled packaging materials. The blue or pink stuff is much stronger, can easily be shaped with ordinary tools, like a knife, saw, file etc and is a lot less messy to work with.
Styrofoam has been in use to make mountains for quite some time, but it is a hazard. In case of a fire, the fumes of melting Styrofoam are toxic, whereas the fumes of Styrodur are supposed to be non-toxic.
I don´t work with the white stuff anymore - Petra would kill me!
Todd,
Ditto what Ulrich said. The styrofoam is dificult to work with. The extruded foam board is useful structurally and I used it under the layout in 2" thick form with just a piece of 1/4" luan (the cheap stuff) glued beneath it. It was strong enough to support the layout on 16" center brackets. I'd use stronger plywood under a yard however as the much greater weight might cause a sag. Especially if you end up like Bridge Tom with a slew of articulateds. Hope that helps. J.R.
Afternoon all, I've been absent as of late and have taken the morning to catch up. Things have been pretty busy around the house as we're getting ready to start tackling home projects again. Although today has been my "day of nothing" so I've not been working in the house at all today, been being lazy and catching up on the "other" things (computer time, naps, etc) that I've been missing. I did catch an interesting consist running through town back on Wednesday, it seems that the BNSF and a couple of NS -9s were making their way south to Dothan and on Thursday were making their way back up, guess CSX needed a little foreign road power for that train. Sorry that I did not get a picture as on wednesday it was dark and no camera and thursday just didn't have the camera. I mayy go into town sometime this afternoon and do some railfanning, something I haven't done in a while, although I may save that for tomorrow as I'm off again (two days off in a row....I'm not going to know what to do with myself).
As for lunch I'll do a couple of cheese dogs, order of fries and a RBF, its currently sunny/cloudy mixed with more clouds and a shot of rain moving in later tonight. Highs for the week will be in the mid to lower 50s with lows in the lower 30s to high 20s.....overall a blah week.
Todd Good luck with the demo/reconstruction!
TODD: ULRICH beat me to it... don't know what's different about the blue stuff and the pink stuff other than maker and color... (Dow vs. Corning?) but 'ats what I'll be using...when I finally get THAT far!
Also:
Sir MadogStyrofoam has been in use to make mountains for quite some time, but it is a hazard. In case of a fire, the fumes of melting Styrofoam are toxic, whereas the fumes of Styrodur are supposed to be non-toxic.
Unfortunately, so is your couch, recliner, curtains, carpet, the plastic doggy dish, Tupperware...
If it burns...it's toxic. We're supposed to wear the air masks even after the fire is out, when we're doing overhaul (pulling the burned stuff apart, soaking it down, looking for hot spots) because it is still off-gassing toxins.
About the only way a layout would NOT be a fire hazard, is if it had sprinklers overhead. Think about it: all the lumber, foam, plastic, resin, insulation on all the wiring...it's a tremendous "fire load."
THAT's a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling inducing thought 'eh???
Good afternoon...getting a way late start today, good thing I didn't have to be anywhere. I'm a bit behind now in contacting leads for the rest of the week however, so will grab a to-go bucket of coffee on my way back out the door.
Weather guessers keep hollaring sn** for later today, into tomorrow...I think they said "drizzle" for Wednesday...great. THAT'll be the THIRD attempt at the January school board meeting.
Here's hoping everybody has a good, SAFE rest of the day...
Your resident pessimist,
"Never let common sense get in the way of a good disaster"
Afternoon everyone!
Didn't get in for breakfast today as I was making the rounds to the schools taking more Art and Poetry back, then doing banking for the MLK Committee and to the Credit Union to cash a check. I have a MLK Meeting tonight, Deacons on Wednesday Night, and a session with Troop 1 to see my layout on Thursday Night..... Got permission to modify one of the requirements for the Handicapped Scouts on one requirement from the District Executive. He thought what I have planned will w*rk well and meet the spirit of the requirement for them.
Zoe I'll have a bowl of hot chicken soup and a toasted cheese sandwich to go along with some Hot Chocolate. I'll go sit at the rivet Counter.
Todd I would highly advise you that the extruded foam is far better than the beaded foam for modeling. Less mess, stronger, and is fire resistant (It won't burn by itself and is self extinguishing), although smoke from either is toxic. Styrofoam is actually a registered trademark of Dow Chemical so it's use for identifying different types of foam products can be confusing. Actually Styrofoam is the extruded stuff but only that which is made by Dow Chemical Company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Styrofoam Better to refer to it as Beaded or Extruded. Go with extruded foam board.
Nice w*rk on the Crummy, Jeffrey!
OK, back to w*rk! have to get some reports done this afternoon.....