Elliot's Trackside Diner IX

[AmanaMedic]

Trainman Sam

Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Duty to Retreat where you have to back away UNTIL the perpetrator makes a direct threat of bodily harm towards you or someone else in the dwelling?

*scratching head in disbelief*

That can't be right... it seems to me, if somebody breaks into MY house...THEY would be the one with the "duty to retreat." I do know, I'd give them a reason to retreat.

I have my theories and opinions on how such nonsense came to be...but this isn't the place for them. There just isn't any sense in sparking another Trains.com flame war, so I'll just sit back down and enjoy a double bacon cheeseburger (thanks Chloe!) with a bucket of Coke.

In other news and views, I finally (after about 3-1/2 years of pondering and doodling) came up with a track plan I like, which incorporates just about everything I wanted...then realized it would be splendid in N scale...and paradise on earth in Z...but just not realistic (for the space I have) for HO.

And yes... I DID measure the room, several times, actually. I've even drawn-up scale layouts of the room. Somehow, someway, they got shuffled farther and farther to the bottom of the pile as the rough "not to scale" sketches started to pile up. Also, switching to N is NOT an option. It's the logical thing to do... makes perfect sense, and could theoretically be financed by selling the HO stuff...but, I just don't wanna!!!

*bangs head against wall*

So, tell me again, WHY do we engage in this hobby??? Oh yeah, the relaxation and pure enjoyment of it all...

Have a good, safe afternoon... It would appear, late lunch is on me...order up!

 

Chris

[Robby P.]

I agree busy Diner today.

Well Rob, your engine is on the way.   You shoudl get it in 2-3 days.

I took BLET (basic law enforcement training) in NC, and they said once they step in the door, window, etc, you can shoot.  Someone did ask, "Can you shoot them and then drag them in?".  No of course, but as long as they are in the house.

I read a story awhile back about a guy that broke into a house, and broke his leg while getting in.  Sued the family, and the robber won.  Go figure.

I know one thing.  We watch a show on BIO called "I survived".  Now that show makes you wanna get several guns, dogs, etc.

Well I worked on the CSXT hopper some more.  I had some rubber air-hoses come in.  So I took it off eBay, and redid some things.  Now I am getting ready to relist it.  At least its on .85 cents to relist.

Well guys and gals.  I will work on that, and soccer is coming on again.

I will be back in at dinner.

[bjdukert]

Afternoon all

If I remember the first thread for the diner (called something else. Ryan just ref. it a little while ago) was HUGE.

Can't remember what it was called right now, but I remember something like 1200-1300 pages or something like that.

It was nice and simple. "The Coffee Shop"

Best to all on sick call and those recovering

Talk to you later

Duke

[jeffrey-wimberly]

 

 Duty to retreat:

American Law

Some American jurisdictions require that a person retreat from an attack, and allow the use of deadly force in self defense only when retreat is not possible or when retreat poses a danger to the person under attack. The duty to retreat is not universal, however. For example, police officers are not required to retreat when acting in the line of duty. Similarly, some courts have found no duty to retreat exists when victim is assaulted in a place where the victim has a right to be, such as within one's own home. State v. Allery, 101 Wash.2d 591, 682 P.2d 312 (1984). The Model Penal Code § 3.04(2)(b)(ii) suggests statutory language that also recognizes an exception to the usual duty to retreat when the victim of the attack is in his or her own dwelling or place of work. Many states employ "stand your ground" laws that do not require an individual to retreat and allow one to match force for force, deadly force for deadly force.

 English law

In English law the focus of the test is whether the defendant is acting reasonably in the particular situation. There is no specific requirement that a person must retreat in anticipation of an attack. Although some withdrawal would be useful evidence to prove that the defendant did not want to fight, not every defendant is able to escape. In R v Bird (1985) 1 WLR 816 the defendant was physically attacked, and reacted instinctively and immediately without having the opportunity to retreat. Had there been a delay in the response, the reaction might have appeared more revenge than self-defence. It might be different if the defendant sees an enemy approaching and decides to stand his ground. The answer may depend on where the threat is recognised. In a public place, where there are many other people present, a judgment must be made on whether an attack is imminent. As a matter of policy, no-one should be forced out of the streets because of fear, but prudence might dictate a different answer at night when the streets are empty.

[LSWrr]

Sam, actually I lived in TX for 3 years.  You can use deadly force to prevent a theft if the property is valued at $1,000.00 or more.  This goes back to the horse stealing days. 
Lee

 

[Trainman Sam]

 

Chris:  Funny stuff my friend, only  because I understand the pain!!!  The layouts that I have on paper would be AWESOME in N or Z scale.  Unfortunately, I don't enjoy those scales, as I like to see a lot of detail on the engine, rollingstock, etc.. 

Jeff:  How did you get the same post to show up twice???

     Funny thing about me building this layout, I forgot to turn on the fan and open a window both yesterday and today, so I am pretty buzzed...  Won't do that again... I don't have very many brain cells left, and need every single one of them!!!  LOL

     Seriously though, make sure you use proper ventilation when doing projects.  Read the directions for any product you will be using, as quite a lot of them can cause serious damage to you and your system.  I'm lucky that this was just a headache and not something more deadly...

     This was only a test.  If this had been a real emergency, peope would be running past you screamming like 12 year old girls at a Jonas Brothers concert!!!

     Whoa, Public Service announcement over!!!  

Wow My ADD kicked in pretty fierce this time... I was in the middle of this post, got up to take care of something, and in themean time had an idea for a "test track" with a passing siding and now I come back and I still didn't get this message posted!   about an hour went by before I remembered I had this post just sitting on the screen!  WHUUPS!!!  But now I have a 7'L x 4"W board with what foamboard was left over from the main layout glued to it!  I am going to be able to have this piece as a program tack.

[jeffrey-wimberly]

 

Trainman Sam

Jeff:  How did you get the same post to show up twice???

I made one itsy, bitsy change in it that can't be seen unless you examine the two very, very closely.

 

New Haven I-5: Check your PM's. You'll find something of major interest.

[AmanaMedic]

Trainman Sam

Chris:  Funny stuff my friend, only  because I understand the pain!!!  The layouts that I have on paper would be AWESOME in N or Z scale.  Unfortunately, I don't enjoy those scales, as I like to see a lot of detail on the engine, rollingstock, etc.. 

Yeah Sam, it WOULD be funny if it hadn't been completely preventable. Good old hindsight. IF I'd made a bunch of copies of the measured-out, drawn to scale diagrams...and started sketching to scale from the start; I coulda woulda saved a bunch of wasted time and effort.

Oh well... like I said in an earlier post: I may be a slow learner...but at least I'm a learner.

I already had to make major concessions to fit the part of Cedar Rapids I want to replicate, into the space availible. Koester's "LDE" concept is nice...and if I had the space, I'd go that route. But, reality being what it is (afterall, it is what it is...) I was willing to compress industries, relocate things, condense, reduce; and generally recreate it all as "Cedarapids."

Now... I may go with "Plan B:" a CB&Q branchline in SW Iowa in the late 60s in the Hamburg and Shenandoah, Iowa area. "Plan C" is a completely ficticious Iowa city served by the CNW and CCP that just happens to have some industries and businesses in common with Cedar Rapids. "Plan D" is to continue as a "Railroad Modeler" rather than a "Model Railroader." "Plan E" is to build a module or two...but I'm not aware of any modular clubs in the area. The ex-Rock Island car shop and roundhouse area would make a great module. The area around the former 9th Ave. SE tower would be good too. Connecting them as a working layout... 'eh, not so feasible. "Plan F" a variation on the CCP branch (ex-Milwaukee mainline) from the CCP main to Marion serving two cement plants, Nash Finch, a siding at Rockwell International for an occasional locomotive (RR electronics stuff), and a scrap yard and ag products place. Again, a LOT of compression would be necessary...and I'm none too crazy about trying to build the massive bridge over Indian Creek (in Marion).

Coulda

Shoulda

Woulda

Enough rambling, back to "work" I go. The athletic director of the school district I'm assigned to cover finally got back to me with vital data for an article I've been putting off since last week...so it's time to play newspaper writer again.

Chris

 

[Packers#1]

nik .n

I hate political corruption Two judges in the county next to mine was charged for corruption. They sent kids MY age to certain juvenile centers for money. 

On a less serious note...

My little brother picked up a Bachmann Union Pacfic engine at a thrift store. it is in deplorable condition. Most of the handrails are missing and all of the steps are broken off. where the yellow is supposed to be there is gold. It kinda looks like a GP-40, Does anyone know if this came out of a train set? Or is it an older loco? It also has a "Cartrige Motor", You know, the motor frame and the gearcase are one unit. Also only one set of trucks are powerd. Any advice on replaceing the motor, handrails and steps? HELP! 

 

nice, I'm 14, I don't know how old you are.

oh, the fix to your brother's engine, in my eyes, is a 30 pound sledge hammer and two sets of protective goggles.

Seriously though, I have no idea how to fix your engine. I usually stay away from bachmann now.

oh, and I just noticed. you joined on Nov. 22, which is my b-day, lol.

Jim, thanks for the compliment on the paint scheme

[blownout cylinder]

Good evenin' What happened here? I left and we were on pg15 and I now have to go through how many more posts? YEEESSH!!

Took a look at the back door. It looks like the dead bolt we put in did the trick although now I'm going to have to redo the door frame. Oh well. I'm just glad that's all he did!! I thought the neighbour was off duty, but he wasn't apparently someone reported a prowler in the neighbourhood and he fit the description--he broke into another house down the street though-----I guess my shadow with the machete when I turned the light on scared the bejeebers out of him---hopefully he'll get some help to clean up his life---

Anyhoooo-got a bit of a heads up from work--I'll be only doing three days a week at 6 hrs/day. I've gone down from 30hrs/wk. Oh---I'll go into another sideline I've been doing a bit of recently--do it on my own---

nik.n.--I'm almost thinking the same as Sawyer but I think maybe modelling a RIP track? Or a scrap yard that salvages train parts?-----

Jeff-After talking with the officer in charge of this case I got a better idea about it now. I'll get to continue what I do---I'm big enough that my shadow does it to them!!LOL!!!

PC-I picked some of that Mortile stuff. I think it will do better than the PITA stuff I'm using now!

Chloe--I'll have a Grilled Salmon with Asparagus Salad and a large RBF. Think I'll finish that off with a Strawberry/Rhubarb Pie and a bucket of cafffeine as well please--I'm going to the window booth and watch some trains---

[ns3010]

Packers#1

oh, the fix to your brother's engine, in my eyes, is a 30 pound sledge hammer and two sets of protective goggles.

Seriously though, I have no idea how to fix your engine. I usually stay away from bachmann now.

oh, and I just noticed. you joined on Nov. 22, which is my b-day, lol.

A maul would be better!

Spectrum isn't bad. My F40 has gone through almost everything and still runs.

I don't know if anyone is familiar with Trainiac Productions on youtube (youtube.com/trainiacproductions), but I noticed that they joined utube on my bday, June 17th.

Anyone else who uses E-Z track knows that the rerailers are used as crossings. On the ends, the raised road surface tapers off, which is unprototypical (the full with of the road continues through the crossing and ends perpendicular to the rails). I found a solution. Take Woodland Scenics paving tape (the foam stuff) and taper it to match the angle of the rerailer. Trim until it lines up with the sides of the roadway. Paint it (black for asphalt, gray for concrete) and you have a realistic road surface. Two strips laid parallel is the exact same as the width of the rerailer. It is low enough to avoid catching coupler trip pins and there is room for flanges.

Have a great evening. Prayers for all.

[New Haven I-5]

jeffrey-wimberly

 

New Haven I-5: Check your PM's. You'll find something of major interest.

Thanks.

[Heartland Division CB&Q]

Good evening...

I have said before, but I'll say it again. It's refreshing to see young people in the Forum. It is encouraging to see the hobby passed down through the generations. Also, of course, it's good to see the young people involved in constructive activities instead of destructive alternatives. My one advice continues to relate to personal finance. It's more fun to build a model than it is to own a model. I encourage people to have a budget and stick to it. Cheers to you young people!  

Jeff .... I don't know what to think about the US vs. England laws. ... Around here certain individuals have been known to employ "buckshot therapy" to modify behavior of theives. ... In fact, the area here once was known as "Shotgun Hollow" prior to the invasion of outsiders.

Ryan asked...."What instrument did you play?" upon reading I, too, was in a marching band. Are you ready for this? .....I played....... the tuba..... Yes sir. The finest young man in our part of the land was the one who played the tuba in the high school band!  ....... By the way, my musical talent back then was absolutely zilch........ as it has always been for me.... If a correct note emerged out of the bell of my tuba at the correct instant of time....... believe me ...that was a completely random event... It had nothing to do with talent at all !!! .....Now, it's not that I did not give a hoot...I did...Believe me, I gave lots of hoots. (said Garry, holding no bars.) .... It's not that I did not try.... I practiced lots and lots and lots. .... I carried the tuba thing on the school bus to practice at home while taking an extra seat on a crowded bus...(Fortunately, I was one of the "big kids" and nobody tried to fight for the extra seat.) ...My poor band teacher......I frustrated the dickens out of him....He worked and worked with me....(He was my favorite teacher.)....but... but ....with all of that indvidual attention....and all of that practicing...... One would think I would have developed at least a little talent.... Oh well. ...Good thing I did not desire a career as a professional musician...I respect those who are, but I have no clue how they can do it....

Ryan ...do you now regret asking that question?

 

 

[pcarrell]

blownout cylinder

PC-I picked some of that Mortile stuff. I think it will do better than the PITA stuff I'm using now!

I hope it works as well for you as it does for me.  I quite like it.

[Packer]

Well I finished one of the boxcars I am doing, but the other one ran into a snag.

Here's the finished one, a P2K 50 double door automobile box that I spent about an hour putting together (not including paint drying time, but including weathering) without the instructions since I got it as a freebie without instructions.


Here's the athearn BB one that I hit a snag with:

I went to the store and picked up a rattle can of paint that cap matched it. When I sprayed it it turned out reddish. So plan B, cover the lettering with masking tape and do the whole thing so it looks like a late PRR patch job. Pics on that when it finishes.

I managed to trade a pair of AAR sideframes I have for flexi-coils, so I should be able to get my SW1500s back together short order especially now that I'm starting to make my own grab irons. My SD24s should be here anyday, so I'll be looking for stuff to patch out the CB&Q unit (sorry to the Q fans out there), I haven't done decals before so it'll be a learning experience (will come in handy when I get those C424s together and painted).

About that whole "duty to retreat" stuff, if someone broke into my house; they'd be lucky to leave in 1 piece in a bag.

Joe and Sawyer, I think a lawnmower would be just as effective. That or totally gut it and use it for a wreck scene or scrap yard.

[pcarrell]

Duty to Retreat

American:  Match force for force, unless in my house.  Then the invader will retreat in a hail of bullets.    If he doesn't retreat fast enough?  Guess he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Gotta protect the family!

English:  Who knows, but if they show up in my house in the middle of the night, see above!

 

And I guess this is what I get for not showing the love of Christ.........Eat up everyone!

[GMTRacing]

Good Evening All,

    A long but productive day. Temps are moderating, probably no snow this week. Might even see the sun eventually. I'll have a bit of cheese and some Beaujolais please. Time to kick back a bit.

Phillip - our prayers for your wife. By the way how is your leg doing and how's the son? (not been around much you see and may have missed some news plus I'm just nosey).

Jerry - I like the signals. Besides the ladders, what did you use for the tops?

Rob - I think the extended incline is a better bet than the helix. Instead of the train grinding away in the dark, the incline can be a usable part of the layout and a whole lot easier to access. For sure with a limited space layout, more scenery is a good thing.

Sam - did you decide which of the switching layouts you'll use? How about the feeder and bus issue?

  Not sure what all this nonsense about retreat is. Suffice it to say that if I'm still breathing I'm not endangering my family by allowing someone to invade my home. And if I stop them before the legal definition of invasion, T.S. Glad things turned out ok, but that was too close for comfort in my book.

  I'm thinking about trying a shelf layout in the new shop but I'm not sure if I'll have more than a foot or so of width available. Needs to be HO as I want to get started setting up equipment again. Perhaps part of an engine service facility? What can I do with a foot of width and twelve to fourteeen feet of length? Ideas appreciated. I'll be in the back for a bit, Catch ya later, J.R.

 

[pcarrell]

GMTRacing

Phillip - our prayers for your wife. By the way how is your leg doing and how's the son? (not been around much you see and may have missed some news plus I'm just nosey).

The wife and I appreciate the prayers.  We went for a walk this evening, but she was pretty wore out when we got back.  Didn't go all that far either.  As for the leg, it's still sore a little, and the bump is still there.  I'm sure it'll be back.  I'm watching it.  As for my son.....he actually got to be a starter the last game!  When they run suicides, he comes in the middle of the pack most of the time and once in a while he does better then that.  Last year he was dead last by a mile EVERY time.  His confidence and self image is big time boosted.

How long til the tracks up there open?  I know you guys are probably packing up the trailers now!

[GMTRacing]

PC - thanks for the update and hang in there. The news on your son is superb.  J.R.

[jeffrey-wimberly]

blownout cylinder

Jeff-After talking with the officer in charge of this case I got a better idea about it now. I'll get to continue what I do---I'm big enough that my shadow does it to them!!LOL!!!

What evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows! (giving away my age there).

[JimRCGMO]

Evening, Chloe - I'll have a hot fudge sundae and a coffee, please. Thanks!

Well, reading some of the posts, I decided to look Missouri's law's position, and found they have what's called a Castle Law - if in one's own dwelling, retreat is not required (though if you retreat to another part of the house before attacking back, it enhances your defense if it ever comes to that. Missouri also extends the Castle Law position to one's vehicle (which I guess means if someone comes at you in your car/truck/tank.... that you are allowed to defend yourself. Of course, I had heard that if the crook's inside your home, he or she is fair game (and if they're outside, shoot first and then drag 'em inside before the police arrive...Do I have that right?) But since my firearm skills are abysmally poor (so I don't own a firearm), I figure I should use my long legs and get the heck out of Dodge instead...

Chris, you forgot the

MRR'ing Laws of Layout Planning and Design:

1. There is NEVER 'too much space' for your layout.
2. The layout design will expand to 125 percent of your available space.
3. What you think will fit into a specific amount of space, won't...
4. When you try to build a given design, you will find that it over-fills the layout space.
   

Hope that helps... My own suggestion would be - decide which concept for your layout you like the best of what you mentioned, aim for that and tweak that design within a scale space until you get something close to what you like (or that can give you the 'feel' of it). A lot to be said for design software, or for scale drawings with pencil and paper. I recall some noted author (don't recall who right now) who suggested (mabye it was Malcom Furlow? Dave Frary? dunno...) making a reduced scale mock-up with paper and/or clay. (Or was that John Armstrong?.... Hmmm....)

Sam, in addition to running a fan to air the place out, you probably should not operate a vehicle or heavy machinery for a while.

Lee, I saw that about Texas (having more lenient laws about use of deadly force) when I went looking for Missouri's position on the issue. You are probably right about the reason, too.

Today at work I was supposed to have four client follow-up appointments (intended to ensure that the client shows up for their doctors' appointments, among other things). Only one showed up (15-20 minutes early) of the four. And that one, I get to write up a mini-intake and a letter for the client's probation and parole officer (kinda like "So-and-so showed up for his/her appointment, and these are my recommendations for treatment...") to confirm to their judge that the person did what the court said they had to do (come see us).

Oh yeah, last night as I was about to head out for a group I co-lead, heard some kind of loudness and a scraping sound. So this a.m. I had to arrange a ride to work, call for a tow of the car to the dealer, and arrange payment terms for the dealer (needed something connected to the catalytic converter fixed/re-welded or such). About $142 with the labor and the $50 tow fee included. But at least it wasn't the transmission, which was what I thought from looking under the car last night. Hey, I'll give thanks for little things.

Well, I'd better wind things up here and head for home. Hopefully, things are improving for some of you Diners, since I didn't notice a lot of health issues being reported. Keep up the healthy work, Diners! Prayers will continue for those needing comfort, healing and/or layout space.

 

Blessings and prayers,

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[Robby P.]

 Ahh the wife went to bed, I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.  Um...... I think I just saw her walk into the Diner

 She did give me some good news, while I hope so.  Where she works at is located beside a buildings that you store stuff in.  The owner is cleaning out the ones people haven't paid in months, and is throwing away stuff.  Her supervisor was talking to the guy and saw a box of train stuff.  The sup., said that a teacher of mine husband does trains.  Well the guy said I can have what he finds.  Well Jessica (the wife) will get the box tomorrow, and see whats inside.  The guy did say its bigger than HO, so who knows.

  I will get some pictures of it tomorrow, and show what I have.

  Well everybody I guess I will see what happens on ESPN, and go to bed.  Let me see if I can sneak by.  "Maybe if I throw a pie, and that will distract her.  I hope Jeff doesn't mind, and I know Barry won't".

[LSWrr]

I placed a second order through Litchfield Station dot com this week and they emailed me asking who referred me to their site because they wish to thank that person.

One of you here referred me to them, but I forgot who.  So if you could shoot me an email with your name and email I’ll let them know.  I don’t know if you’re going to get a discount or what…

 

Lee

 

[AmanaMedic]

JimRCGMO

Chris, you forgot the

MRR'ing Laws of Layout Planning and Design:

1. There is NEVER 'too much space' for your layout.
2. The layout design will expand to 125 percent of your available space.
3. What you think will fit into a specific amount of space, won't...
4. When you try to build a given design, you will find that it over-fills the layout space.

Good Evening All,

JIM: I knew No. 1 going in, No. 2 worked out to be more like 300% (which is why if I was "smart," I'd switch to Z scale)..., No. 3 was dead-on, and I haven't gotten to No. 4 yet; thankfully.

I'm in no rush, the room is ready whenever I do get something I can live with figured out. Regardless of the track plan/era/location selected, it's going to be an around the walls arrangement. The variations would be maybe a peninsula, or width of the shelves themselves.

Thanks for tips...and the laugh!

Chris

[blownout cylinder]

PIE? What pie? I don't see no pie----Aherm--yeah right---<coff,,coff,hack>---

The Atrium is looking a little more together as I just finished the frame for the centercourt area of the plaza---so I'm going to see whether I can finish the rest over the weekend. By next week I should have the whole thing posted in one piece----

Jeff-MMMWWWAAAHHAAAAHHAAAAA!!! so there---

Robbie That should look interesting to see what's in there--

I'll have a refill of that jug of coffee please-----

[Flashwave]

The problem with an eye for an eye is that everyone goes blind. SO use your 1 good eye to aim for something else.

Like the gun avies.

[howmus]

Evenin' everyone!

Long day with no model railroading in it.  Did get a good start on the taxes...... Hopefully by the end of the weekend I will be finished and have sent them in.

Dermatologist said everything looks good and then gave me 2 more prescriptions for "milder" stuff to use on the face.  

Flo, I'll just have a nice cup of hot chocolate to warm me up.  maybe that will help get rid of the sniffles I've had for the last couple of days......... 

Hope all of you had a good day! Prayers for all in need!

[Cederstrand]

Tall glass of cool lemon water, thanks.

***Jeffrey, I have a box of Old Time Radio broadcasts which includes a smattering of The Shadow episodes. They're some of my favorites.

***Jim, as you say, be glad it wasn't a transmission. Many years ago while cruising along in my old Chevy van, the transmission literally blew apart. Horrible sound it was. Almost as horrible as the Transmission guy who had just replaced it then I called and told him where to go pick it up.

Starting to get a plan in my head for the layout, or at least the tables & shelves. I WILL cut the door/table part into two sections. This will allow more walking around room between wife's Hugely Oversized table and my Normal stuff. Shelves WILL be 24" wide (that was a good suggestion). Will work the trestle into a corner between shelves and perhaps hint at a canyon there. And although I never planned a staging area, there is an ideal location for one. It will include the little Atlas TT and be a nice place to display locos & rolling stock where I can see and enjoy them. That's the plan thus far which is enough to cut wood and glue foam.

My wife made it really offical and changed her last name today. We've been together about 15 years, married 2 or 3 and had an anniversary a week ago (which we BOTH missed), and now shares my last name. How about that!

Past time to hit the hay. Healing thoughts to those in need, (especially PC's other half).

Rob

[philnrunt]

So I come back after a year or so away and the first thing I see is shoot 'em, gun 'em, chop 'em?!?!?!?

   Good to see common sense- a mis-nomer if there ever was one- still resides here in the Diner.

  I've never understood why civilization demands that anyone threatened has to become a victim. Makes no sense, never did, never will. When I worked the road (back in the day) I pulled my weapon maybe 8-10 times, never had to shoot anyone, but I always thought, and felt, that if it came down to it, I didn't search this person out to do him harm, he absolutely brought it upon himself via his actions, and, as with every sincle thing we do in life, consequences are attached to actions.

   Boy, that soapbox is well worn these days.

   As for RRing, going to the train show this Sat  in Muncie to buy up some Code 83 switches and Code 70 flex to lay next week! 

   Good to see all of the old hands still visiting the Diner,.

[Heartland Division CB&Q]

Philnrunt ... Great to see you. Stop in again SOON!