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Posted by andrechapelon on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:34 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by GDRMCo

andrechapelon you answer is almost correct. there are more than 3 batches of W&LE Berks


You only asked for the first 3 IIRC.

Nope. I was wrong. OK. After 6415, the next batch was 6416 -6422 and the final batch was 6423 - 6432.

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester

Does anyone have any thoughts as to what this is?



I really don't know. I took this picture 6 weeks ago at Mulgrave, NS on the CBNS line owned by Railtex


It looks like a GP7 or GP9 rebuilt with a low nose, retaining the original cab. I'm not sure where to look to tell which it was originally. While IC and ICG did a lot of these, it doesn't look quite right for one of those and might be a slightly modified unit built with a low nose, maybe a late GP9 or GP18.

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:04 PM
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New York Central HS-1a 4-8-4 #800. It was an experimental high pressure 3 cylinder compound engine having a boiler pressure of 850 PSI. The inside cylinder was the HP cylinder and the outer 2 were the LP cylinders.

My namesake, Andre Chapelon, also built a 3 cylinder 4-8-4 for the SNCF after WWII. It was much more successful but unfortunately was never duplicated because the 242 A1 embarrassed the hacks advocating electrification as it could produce more drawbar horsepower than any electric available to the SNCF at the time.

Andre



Correct, of course!

While 242A1 was a very impressive locomotive, the 241P class based on older PLM designs was built. The Chapelon engines were often not rugged enough to keep up their high power outputs, the Pacifics rebuilt to 240P being an example. Even on the Nord, where they had the only "new" Chapelons in the form of the last 231E class, the ex -PLM 231K class outlasted the Chapelon locomotives, and nothing could match the US built 141R for availability.

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Posted by Fergmiester on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:12 PM
Does anyone have any thoughts as to what this is?



I really don't know. I took this picture 6 weeks ago at Mulgrave, NS on the CBNS line owned by Railtex

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959

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Posted by GDRMCo on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:17 PM
andrechapelon you answer is almost correct. there are more than 3 batches of W&LE Berks

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Posted by andrechapelon on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

OK, a US locomotive for anyone unhappy with "rest of world" questions.

This locomotive was the first of its wheel arrangement on a big Eastern Road. It was the least successful of its wheel arrangement as well, and lasted less than ten years in service.

It was built in 1931.

Road Name, Wheel Arrangement and optionally number. Also expliain, optionally, the cause of its problems!

Peter

PS - GDRMCo, you can ask another question if you like, as long as it doesn't get too confusing - we have had at least two questions going at the same time!


ACL's R-1 4-8-4? Their drivers had some sort of bad balancing problems.


No, the R-1 only arrived in 1938! But the wheel arrangement 4-8-4 was correct.
This was a single locomotive on a New York -Chicago line.

Peter


New York Central HS-1a 4-8-4 #800. It was an experimental high pressure 3 cylinder compound engine having a boiler pressure of 850 PSI. The inside cylinder was the HP cylinder and the outer 2 were the LP cylinders.

My namesake, Andre Chapelon, also built a 3 cylinder 4-8-4 for the SNCF after WWII. It was much more successful but unfortunately was never duplicated because the 242 A1 embarrassed the hacks advocating electrification as it could produce more drawbar horsepower than any electric available to the SNCF at the time.

Andre
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Posted by andrechapelon on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

Pere Marquette's Bershires N-, N-1, N-2?


Naw, the PM Berks had more weight on the drivers. They also had cylinders 1 inch larger in diameter (like C&O's Kanawhas) which gave them 69,000 lbs T.E.

Sounds more like NKP's S, S-1 and S-2 Berks, except that the the S class were built in 1934, not 1937. That means they have to be:

Wheeling & Lake Erie K-1 2-8-4's.

1st batch: 6401-6410 built 1937

2nd batch: 6411-6412 built 1938

3rd batch: 6413-6415 built 1939.

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:09 PM
Pere Marquette's Bershires N-, N-1, N-2?

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Posted by GDRMCo on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:52 AM
Wrong again. I will give some clues. My cylinder hp is 2754 and I have a tender capacity of 22,000 gals of water and 22 tons of coal. I am essentially a copy of the NKP _ Class

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by GDRMCo

Wrong M636C



One more try

Northern Pacific 4-8-4,

Classes A-3, A-4, A-5

If not a couple more clues please?

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Posted by GDRMCo on Monday, September 27, 2004 6:52 PM
Wrong M636C

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Posted by M636C on Monday, September 27, 2004 5:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

OK, a US locomotive for anyone unhappy with "rest of world" questions.

This locomotive was the first of its wheel arrangement on a big Eastern Road. It was the least successful of its wheel arrangement as well, and lasted less than ten years in service.

It was built in 1931.

Road Name, Wheel Arrangement and optionally number. Also expliain, optionally, the cause of its problems!

Peter

PS - GDRMCo, you can ask another question if you like, as long as it doesn't get too confusing - we have had at least two questions going at the same time!


ACL's R-1 4-8-4? Their drivers had some sort of bad balancing problems.


No, the R-1 only arrived in 1938! But the wheel arrangement 4-8-4 was correct.
This was a single locomotive on a New York -Chicago line.

Peter
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Posted by AggroJones on Monday, September 27, 2004 2:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

OK, a US locomotive for anyone unhappy with "rest of world" questions.

This locomotive was the first of its wheel arrangement on a big Eastern Road. It was the least successful of its wheel arrangement as well, and lasted less than ten years in service.

It was built in 1931.

Road Name, Wheel Arrangement and optionally number. Also expliain, optionally, the cause of its problems!

Peter

PS - GDRMCo, you can ask another question if you like, as long as it doesn't get too confusing - we have had at least two questions going at the same time!


ACL's R-1 4-8-4? Their drivers had some sort of bad balancing problems.

"Being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses"

EXPERIMENTATION TO BRING INNOVATION

http://community.webshots.com/album/288541251nntnEK?start=588

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Posted by M636C on Monday, September 27, 2004 4:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by GDRMCo

I was first built in 1937, my boiler pressure is 245 psi and the first three batches in my class all had a weight on drivers of 263000LBS. Roadname, numbers of each batch, wheel arrangement, locomotive weight and locomotive+tender weight.


I don't have that sort of data handy!

How about:

Union Pacific 4-8-4

FEF-1 800-819
FEF-2 820-834
FEF-3 835-844

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Posted by M636C on Monday, September 27, 2004 3:33 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

C&O H7 2-8-8-2?


No, not articulated, MUCH LESS successful, and North of the C&O!

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Posted by GDRMCo on Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:41 PM
I was first built in 1937, my boiler pressure is 245 psi and the first three batches in my class all had a weight on drivers of 263000LBS. Roadname, numbers of each batch, wheel arrangement, locomotive weight and locomotive+tender weight.

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Posted by AggroJones on Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:20 PM
C&O H7 2-8-8-2?

"Being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses"

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Posted by M636C on Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:02 PM
OK, a US locomotive for anyone unhappy with "rest of world" questions.

This locomotive was the first of its wheel arrangement on a big Eastern Road. It was the least successful of its wheel arrangement as well, and lasted less than ten years in service.

It was built in 1931.

Road Name, Wheel Arrangement and optionally number. Also expliain, optionally, the cause of its problems!

Peter

PS - GDRMCo, you can ask another question if you like, as long as it doesn't get too confusing - we have had at least two questions going at the same time!
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Posted by GDRMCo on Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:54 AM
Looks like its M636Cs go. I wish I could have a go.

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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:44 AM
I'm looking at the EAR class 59 4-8-2+2-8-4
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Posted by GDRMCo on Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:59 AM
It could be the 4-6-4+4-6-4 or 4-6-2+2-6-4

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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:12 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Nineteen FIFTY Five?

This isn't a misprint?

SZD class P38 2-8-8-4?

Not that I know of either of those still being around!

Just a moment!

East African Railways class 59 Beyer Garratt 4-8-2+2-8-4?

Peter


Yes I am the East African Railways class steam locomotive.
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Posted by M636C on Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:52 AM
Nineteen FIFTY Five?

This isn't a misprint?

SZD class P38 2-8-8-4?

Not that I know of either of those still being around!

Just a moment!

East African Railways class 59 Beyer Garratt 4-8-2+2-8-4?

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Posted by Junctionfan on Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:56 PM
It was built in1955 and is still used. Its maximum tractive effort is 83, 350 Lb.
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Posted by M636C on Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:55 PM
Southern Pacific class AC-4 4-8-8-2 Cab forward

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Posted by GDRMCo on Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:06 PM
The B&O EM-1s come close at 235psi or the DM&IR M-3/4s or the PRR 6-4-4-6

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:41 PM
Great Northern R-1 2-8-8-2?

A few more clues would be helpful.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:13 PM
Very big
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Posted by AggroJones on Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:57 PM
An oil burning articulated....big, but not that big........

Western Pacific 2-6-6-2?

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Posted by Junctionfan on Saturday, September 25, 2004 2:56 PM
No but it is articulated
Andrew

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