What am I?

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

For the record, Andre did pick the same loco as I did: (Reading 4-6-2)

(I did say it wasn't easy to ask these questions!)

Peter

Yeah. First you have to think of loco whose history might baffle someone. And then ask the question in such a manner as to actually baffle people.

So here's one for you.

Six of us were built in 1924. In the late 1940's we were all transferred west of our home territory. What are we? Railroad, wheel arrangement and class.

Andre

[Anonymous]

My turn.

I am the largest of my wheel arrangment. Late in my life I was replaced by an engine with alot more wheels. My tender is quite large.

Roadname, class, and type.

[AggroJones]

First thing that comes to mind.....


Western Maryland I2 2-10-0

[M636C]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andrechapelon

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

For the record, Andre did pick the same loco as I did: (Reading 4-6-2)

(I did say it wasn't easy to ask these questions!)

Peter

Yeah. First you have to think of loco whose history might baffle someone. And then ask the question in such a manner as to actually baffle people.

So here's one for you.

Six of us were built in 1924. In the late 1940's we were all transferred west of our home territory. What are we? Railroad, wheel arrangement and class.

Andre

I'm working on it -

Not the N&W K3 4-8-2s
Not the FEC 4-8-2s to WP
Not the C&O 2-8-8-2s to UP
Not the B&M 2-8-4s to SP and ATSF

I'll get back to you!

Peter

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C


I'm working on it -

Not the N&W K3 4-8-2s
Not the FEC 4-8-2s to WP
Not the C&O 2-8-8-2s to UP
Not the B&M 2-8-4s to SP and ATSF

I'll get back to you!

Peter

Two words.

Guy Dunscomb.

Andre

[M636C]

Andre,

Southern Pacific class MT-2 (ex EP&SW) 4-8-2 4385-4390

Clearly I hadn't considered them - I recalled that the SSW 4-8-4s ended up in LA, but they were, of course later units.

Peter

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Andre,

Southern Pacific class MT-2 (ex EP&SW) 4-8-2 4385-4390

Clearly I hadn't considered them - I recalled that the SSW 4-8-4s ended up in LA, but they were, of course later units.

Peter

You're right.

Now it's your turn.

Incidentally, I have a Westside "GS-8", my only brass engine. The problem is that the engine is actually patterned after the 1937 batch, none of which got transferred to the SP.

Come to think of it, the SSW L-1's are just about the right size to be the "big" engine on a layout. They're big enough to be impressive and small enough not to overpower a layout. That and they look like they could be a "light" 4-8-4 if the USRA had been revived (at least for loco design) in WWII.

Andre

[M636C]

OK Guys, lets take this show on the road.

This is not an American locomotive, at least not yet.

Some of this data hasn't been published to my knowledge.

This is the last design that can be attributed to L.S.Lebedyanski. It uses the cylinders and running gear of a locomotive carrying his initial as a class, but the boiler of another of his designs, a simple articulated, but with a smaller firebox.

Nationality, and wheel arrangement will do - class optional.

Peter

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

OK Guys, lets take this show on the road.

This is not an American locomotive, at least not yet.

Some of this data hasn't been published to my knowledge.

This is the last design that can be attributed to L.S.Lebedyanski. It uses the cylinders and running gear of a locomotive carrying his initial as a class, but the boiler of another of his designs, a simple articulated, but with a smaller firebox.

Nationality, and wheel arrangement will do - class optional.

Peter

Russian 2-10-2 class LV. http://dzherelo.com.ua/en/our_locos/LV_2_10_2#

Andre

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

First thing that comes to mind.....


Western Maryland I2 2-10-0

Right.

[M636C]

Andre,

Very close, but the LV boiler is quite a bit smaller than the P34.

This locomotive is too heavy to have run generally in Russia, and as far as I know, hasn't ever run in Russia (or the USSR).

Peter

[AggroJones]

Peter, I don't do the forign stuff.

[M636C]

OK,

We'll give this one to Andre, because he was very close, and it wasn't a very fair question. The "right" answer was the Chinese "QJ" (Qian Jin, meaning Progress), first built in Dalian with Russian drawings and assistance in about 1958, (after the LV had stopped production). My big clue to that was the words "not yet" in the USA, because these locomotives are still in limited service in China, and one could yet come to America. Bachmann do a really nice model in HO.

Most references suggest that the QJ was a development of the LV, which was right, but the boiler was different, and I thought it must be new, but checking the P34 boiler in a copy of Rakov's book on Russian locomotives (in Russian), the diameter, length between tubeplates and even the heating surface was very similar, and I realised what had happened. This only applied to the earliest locomotives, the Chinese modifying the tube pattern (twice) and fitting a combustion chamber (the Russians went away from combustion chambers after WWII).

There is now a copy of Rakov in German, if that's a help (I own one, and it's much easier than Russian).

I published a book on Chinese locomotives called "Locomotives in China", twenty years ago, and it is sold out (until I update it). I wondered, given all the publicity the QJ is getting, if anyone else had made the (to me) obvious connection that the QJ, as first built, was a Lebedyanski design (and the last!).

OK Andre, or Aggro, your turn.

Peter

[AggroJones]

I'm the largest locomotive my road ever owned. I produced one of the highest tractive effort ratings ever. All 16 of us were built in 1929-30 as slight improvement over an earlier class.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

I'm the largest locomotive my road ever owned. I produced one of the highest tractive effort ratings ever. All 16 of us were built in 1929-30 as slight improvement over an earlier class.

Western Pacific late 2-8-8-2? I don't know the year they were built.

[GDRMCo]

Could it be the Norfolk & Western Y6b 2-8-8-2 or similar class?

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BoRockhard

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

I'm the largest locomotive my road ever owned. I produced one of the highest tractive effort ratings ever. All 16 of us were built in 1929-30 as slight improvement over an earlier class.

Western Pacific late 2-8-8-2? I don't know the year they were built.

I think that was their largest, but no.

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by GDRMCo

Could it be the Norfolk & Western Y6b 2-8-8-2 or similar class?

Nope. Wasn't the mighty A their biggest?

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

I'm the largest locomotive my road ever owned. I produced one of the highest tractive effort ratings ever. All 16 of us were built in 1929-30 as slight improvement over an earlier class.

Great Northern R-2 2-8-8-2.

Andre

[AggroJones]

Good.

[GDRMCo]

God dang it.(Screams like a little kid throwing a tantrum) I want a go.

[Junctionfan]

I weight 251.7 tons; My boiler pressure is 225psi; My oil capacity is 3240 gallons ; My water capacity is 10, 320 gallons. I am a steam engines that was built to haul 1200 ton trains up a some what steep grade-what am I?

[AggroJones]

Andrew, 251 tons without tender? or with?

[Junctionfan]

I think without

[GDRMCo]

Could it be the 4-8-8-4 Big Boy or the C&O 2-6-6-6 Allegheny

[AggroJones]

Big Boy and Allegheny both have much higher boiler pressure.

Andrew help narrow the search a bit. Articulated or not?

[GDRMCo]

Could it be the Chicago Great Western 2-10-4

[GDRMCo]

Is my answer right Junctionfan

[Junctionfan]

No but it is articulated

[AggroJones]

An oil burning articulated....big, but not that big........

Western Pacific 2-6-6-2?