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Posted by Driline on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:00 PM
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I think you guys are dillusional.

Wow, Frank! Shock [:O]  Now that's a strong statement.  But, then again, I guess I wouldn't know - i.e. if I'm really delusional.

Can we just get back to talking about trains again, rather than berating one another over some personal gripes? Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by steinjr on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:02 PM
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 <New pictures not quoted in the interest of saving bandwidth> 

 Holy cow! Jeff, that is a pretty dramatic improvement in picture quality! Very nice!

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Posted by spectratone on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:03 PM
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WOW! Now we're gettin somewhere! I knew if you took the camera out of the plastic bag it came in they would look better. JUST kidding there jeff. That looks much much better.good job. now get a picture of you smashing the old camera for us.

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:54 PM

Jeff, I am happy for you.  Now that you have a decent camera, I hope you will use it to take a good look at your layout from the camera's eye.  I already like much of what I see, and have told you as much...honestly, it turns out.  However, it has been mentioned that you can improve the overall composition and impression of your layout by cleaning up a few details, such as the grains of ballast inside the rails, and making sure clear and tell-tale items like glue bottles are not visible in the image, even in the background.  So, what I am getting around to is that you could use your computer screen to have large images of small areas taken by this wonderful new gift, and to use these enlarged views to see your layout better than your own eyes.  I know that you are not able to discern some colours.  I don't know what other conditions might prevent you from seeing clearly, but this camera should become a powerful tool for you in the struggle against your critics, whether they are welcome or unwelcome.

Smile [:)]

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Posted by modelmaker51 on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 5:24 PM
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 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:

 <New pictures not quoted in the interest of saving bandwidth> 

 

Thanks Stein!

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:11 PM

This is the next area to be worked on, scenery-wise.

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Posted by MilwaukeeRoad on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:19 PM
Great scenery Jeff.
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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:26 PM
Well, there ain't none yet, just some structures sitting on bead board.

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:34 PM

 I see some great pictures this week! I throughly enjoyed it. 

 

 


















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Posted by SteamFreak on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:44 PM

The new camera is a vast improvement Jeffrey, and the UP Alco pic makes a nice avatar. Smile [:)]Thumbs Up [tup]

Why only thumbnails, Aggro? 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:47 PM
Click just to the right of the thumbnails and you'll get BIG pics.

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Posted by SteamFreak on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:02 PM

 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:
Click just to the right of the thumbnails and you'll get BIG pics.

Interesting. It works in IE, but not Firefox. 

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Posted by jktrains on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:21 PM

Jeff,

I know I've caused you a LOT of grief over the last 2 weeks, but I think everyone will agree that some good has come out of it.  Your most recent pictures are so much better than your previous attempts. 

Let me offer a few words of advice.  Take your time and read the manual to understand how your camera operates.  These are much more sophisticated items that what you're used to using.  Second, practice, practice practice.  Not to sound big headed, but go back and read the tutorial I did last week.  Try to emulate the pics in the tutorial.  Take a bunch of pics experimenting with the relationship between f-stop and shutter speed.  Use the bracketing technique to determine what is the best exposure setting.  Experiment with depth of field.  Use it to your advantage to make items in the background, such as the air conditioner, blurry so they're hard to distinguish.  Use the tripod, don't try to take them by holding the camera. Get a swing arm desk light so you can control the lighting in you pics better.   Remember not every picture will be perfect.  Use your computer to review the pics, study them.  Look at them to see not only what weren't wrong with the pic , but what went right.  Study the items in the pic.  Do things look right to you.  Pictures have a funny way of pointing out problems that you'd never notice otherwise.  Take the time to go and fix those things before rushing off to do some other project.  Take notes about the f-stop and shutter speeds used so that when you're reviewing them you can see what worked and what didn't work.  Let your layout become your laboratory and experiment. 

One more word of advice - DON'T GO WILD POSTING PICS.  We don't needto see every pic you take.  If you really feel the urge then open a new sub-album in your photobucket account, put the pics there and posting a link to them so those that want see them and go and look.  This way you won;t have to flood a thread with them.  Use this week to practice with the camera, work on your compositions, but avoid trying to use your editing software.  You now have some first rate equipment.  If you do things right you won't need to edit you pictures for things like sharpness, brightness or contrast.  Don't let the editing software become a crutch for you to lean on.

I hope everyone now sees that there was some validity to the points I was making.  Not everyone agreed with what I said nor at times how I said.  Yes there were times that I was rather harsh, but In my book it was done with cause.  I also know that there people who agreed with my comments.  Some came out and supported me while some choose to remain silent.  To each there own.  But go back and look at some of the pics Jeff posted just last week or two weeks ago and compare them to the ones he just posted.  Now can you honestly say that his previous pictures were "great"?

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Posted by spectratone on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:37 PM
 SteamFreak wrote:

 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:
Click just to the right of the thumbnails and you'll get BIG pics.

Interesting. It works in IE, but not Firefox. 

Same here, not on firefox. too bad for me, looks like outstanding detail work.

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Posted by spectratone on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:58 PM

Jeff,  JK is right about the manual, but his tutorial really helped me take better pictures. He pretty much explained it so a guy like me could understand it. my camera is only 3.1 mp and I saw your last pic post and it outshines my camera. my max is F8 and I am very impressed with the amount of overall detail I am getting. The best part about these digital cameras is you don,t have to wait a week for developing to find out if they are good or bad. I can,t believe I had my camera for over a year and did not use it to it's full extent. I believe all of us on this forum are as happy as you are about your new camera, aw heck, if you want to post a pic of your car with the new cam go ahead. ( one time only ) but after that it's all railroad related!Big Smile [:D] now lets see train pics everybody.

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Posted by mikelhh on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:59 PM

 I don't make a habit of getting involved in discussion of this nature - I'm generally one of the silent ones.  But here goes.

jktrains - there's no denying your knowledge of things photographic, but it's knowledge that's readily available: it isn't uniquely yours. Your ego bade you to open an unsolicited "tutorial". Evidently that thread is of insufficient size to satisfy aforementioned ego, and you feel compelled to ram it down our throats at every opportunity, even to the point of posting your latest condescending and self-glorifying "I told you so".

 My turn to give YOU some advice: put a sock in your mouth and a cap on your ego.

  

 My sincere apologies to everyone else for the tone of this post. 

 

 Mike 

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:08 PM

My bad. Lets try it again.

 

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Posted by jktrains on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:13 PM

Mike,

That's your opinion, and that's fine.  I never said I it was meant to be all inclusive or that I invented the items discussed.  I have had people say it's helped them so that's enough for me.  As far as unsolicited, I had people PM me that suggested doing such a tutorial.  I wasn't aware that I needed your permission to do it.  Next I'll ask for his Highness' permission.

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Posted by railroadyoshi on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:21 PM
Aggro, the work is incredible as always. What did you use for the load? Did you use model railroading supplies or did you use items not designed for the hobby. Reason I ask is that the load reminded me of some lego/knex/random third thing gear pieces that when painted as you have them could be a pretty good load for the cost.
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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:42 PM

Here's a work in progress. It has a long way to go.

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Posted by sfcouple on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:43 PM

Jeff,

Congrats...your photos are really nice.  Keep up the good work and btw I may try to tour Ft. Polk sometime this month.  Any good railfan sites nearby?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:44 PM
One that I use is right behind the old KCS depot, now the Museum of West Louisiana.

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Posted by LD357 on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:52 PM

 Some really excellent work there guys!

  WTH happened on the first thread though?? Looked like a bunch of people OD'ed on hater salad at the picnic!Laugh [(-D]           I haven't seen that kind of foul mouthed trash and childishness for I don't know how long.....very sad some people have such pathetic lives they have to try and make fun of others and run down their work.  

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Posted by spectratone on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:01 PM

Aggro, That is some rusty junk. Good job. I need to go get a T shot before I get the lockjaw.  awsome work

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Posted by UP2CSX on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:09 PM

Jeff, even the air conditioner looks better. Smile [:)] Seriously, a vast improvement in your photos.

JK, I for one thank you for your photo tutorial. I've even hauled out my old tripod and have started experimenting with the manual settings on my camera. I'm hoping I'll be able to take better pics as a result. There are times when your critiques can be be ...a little direct...but I've been accused of that myself. Since we're all big boys and girls here, I hope we can all get over it.

Aggro, great weathering job as usual but I have one comment. Those trucks are just too solid with rust. Most of the time, you have more variation to acount for lubing and such but these appear to be painted solid rust color. Maybe it's just the camera too. Sorry, no flame intended, I was just surprised to see the trucks one solid color.   

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:12 PM
I didn't even notice the trucks until you mentioned it.

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Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:18 PM

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Geep Unit you are a very insecure person that you have to get on the forum and purposely pick on someone.  let me guess you are short, you feel inadequate because you don't measure up in the real world so you come here to be the big man.  Jeff's work may not be up to your standards, so what, he trys and he enjoys model railroading.  In high school you probabley got the crap beat out of you so you are carrying a chip on your shoulder.  If you don't like Jeff's stuff, skip over it, ignore it, but grow up and quit being a bully. 

You are short, you feel inadequate because you don't measure up in the real world, so you come here to be the big man (loco).

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:33 PM

 Todd McWilliam wrote:
Geep Unit you are a very insecure person that you have to get on the forum and purposely pick on someone.  let me guess you are short, you feel inadequate because you don't measure up in the real world so you come here to be the big man.  Jeff's work may not be up to your standards, so what, he trys and he enjoys model railroading.  In high school you probabley got the crap beat out of you so you are carrying a chip on your shoulder.  If you don't like Jeff's stuff, skip over it, ignore it, but grow up and quit being a bully. 

Just because a man is short doesn't mean he feels inadequate in the 'real world'. (Mayo is a large black guy, if I recall). And just because a man is small doesn't mean he got beat up in high school either. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU BRING THAT UP AS THE REASON FOR HIS CHAOTIC BEHAVIOR? Angry [:(!] People can have various reasons to troll the internet. I imagine most of the time it has nothing to do with their damn height!

Sounds like you are the one with a prejudice towards 'short people'...

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:39 PM

 railroadyoshi wrote:
Aggro, the work is incredible as always. What did you use for the load? Did you use model railroading supplies or did you use items not designed for the hobby. Reason I ask is that the load reminded me of some lego/knex/random third thing gear pieces that when painted as you have them could be a pretty good load for the cost.

 

All the load consist of wrecked freight car bits, backshop machinery peices, scrapped locomotives chunks, old machine casings, etc. Rusted metallic items primarily of railroad decent. The parts I chose to make it fit the look though.

I'm unfamilar with 'knex'?

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Posted by SteamFreak on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:53 PM
 AggroJones wrote:

I'm unfamilar with 'knex'?

http://www.knex.com/

It's a fantastic erector set type toy that appeared in the 80's, I believe. I'd use cheap Wal-Mart or dollar store toys as a source of gears and not one of these sets.

The gears look really good when rusted up. 

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