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Posted by spectratone on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:01 PM

oh Yeah, plug and run. And it runs good. I only wish there was a way to turn off the interior lights.

 simon1966 wrote:
 spectratone wrote:

appears I need to spend a little more time detailing pine trees. oh, wait, thats a big round knot. knotty pine, yeah, thats the ticket.

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Just got to love a shot with the Pioneer Zephyr in it.  I have been meaning to take some shots of mine on the layout.  Have you gone the DCC route with yours?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:17 PM
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For the past two weekends you've had 2, maybe 1, people be highly critical of both the quality of the images and the excessive posting that you do.

Now look. Two weeks ago, yes, I went nuts and posted a lot of pics of page. Last weekend I cut back to one pic post per page. This weekend I kept it to one pic post per page, and my pics ARE improving. What do I get? You're posting too excessively! Five pic posts in a thread of 100 posts is excessive? I don't think so! I'm trying to improve my photography skills and all I'm getting is bashing and criticism in a thread that's supposed to be fun. Instead there are people running around critiquing everything I do and apparently not taking into account what I have to work with. Maybe you should take a look at my pic post on page four and see how how I've improved by following your advice as best I can. I'm trying to learn from you and you're making me think it was a big mistake to follow your advice at all.

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Posted by jktrains on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:27 PM

Jeff, You DO NOT get it.  The picture of your car is completely off topic.  You're excessive posting is one of the issues that caused both Trentonizer and GEEP UNIT to go off on you.  Yet you post a pic that's completely off topic and invites more attacks.  Remember, you reap what you sow.  I, mean should we go back through thread for this weekend and see how much you've posting, both pics and replies?  How many pics were duplicates?

What you didn't reply to was what does your car have to do with MRR?  Hold it let me guess.  It's the car you use when you drive to the LHS.

I realize that you're trying to improve you skills, but that doesn't mean we need to see every pic you take.  Pick the good, relevant ones and start a separate thread.  I've advised this before.  Or tell people to go look at your Photobucket account to see everything.

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:29 PM

Forget it! I'm outta here!

 

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:33 PM
 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:

Forget it! I'm outta here!

 


But you have to post pictures of your trains when you get your new cameras!

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:34 PM
I'm seriously considering against that. They'll be picked to pieces no matter how good they are. I'm so mad right now I'm shaking and that is not good for me. I come to this forum to relax.

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Posted by loathar on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:40 PM

First backdrop attempts. Still need to paint the trees in yet.



 

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Posted by spectratone on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:48 PM
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Glenn,

Darn nice shot! Love the trees..

 

Here's one of my older pics --- but one I like....

I really like your layout and pics. I don,t see to many O guage layouts as colorful as yours. It reminds me of disneyland or knotts. It just looks "fun".  And the camera work is crisp and well angled. I have to thank jktrains for improving my picture skills this weekend. I like the way your  engine light is bright but not washing everything out. outstanding detail work also. Tell your girls they did a good job. I know they must have helped.

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Posted by ShadowNix on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:52 PM
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 Hoople wrote:

Jeff, I think now that you have grass and ballast down it looks much better. That weird plaster-ish stuff just didn't look right.

Oh and, is your ballast really that color or is it the camera?

That's due to the camera. The ballast is a light brownish gray.

Jeff,

 First of all, I am SO jealous that you actually have green on your layout...and ballast!!! LOL, still just dirt paint here!  Anyway, as far as the ballast color, mayhap it is the lighting not the camera?  Are you using flourescent (excuse spelling!) lighting?  That may explain it.  Try some lighting with a standard bulb or halogen and your colors may improve!  Just my 2 cents!  I do like your KS stuff, especially that bit about the 666 train... funny that no one would crew it!

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Posted by ShadowNix on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:53 PM

Lothar,

NICE backdrop...mine looks like a four year old, not a 34 year old, painted it... keep up the good work, bud!

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Posted by conrail92 on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:54 PM

Where has the fun honestly gone from this topic, I wish there was a way that you could make it so only photos could be posted in WPF and that non photo topics where not possible. People just don't get the "fun" part. This thing was something I would look forward too every friday. Now all it is, is post upon post bashing each other. And I don't care whose fault is whoose or who started what. It still continues, and Until people learn to accept each other and watch what they say when and where. The fun will never return to this weekly ritual.

 

On a lighter note: Everyone who did post pictures had some nice ones :) 

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Posted by jktrains on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:54 PM
 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:
 jktrains wrote:

For the past two weekends you've had 2, maybe 1, people be highly critical of both the quality of the images and the excessive posting that you do.

Now look. Two weeks ago, yes, I went nuts and posted a lot of pics of page. Last weekend I cut back to one pic post per page. This weekend I kept it to one pic post per page, and my pics ARE improving. What do I get? You're posting too excessively! Five pic posts in a thread of 100 posts is excessive? I don't think so! I'm trying to improve my photography skills and all I'm getting is bashing and criticism in a thread that's supposed to be fun. Instead there are people running around critiquing everything I do and apparently not taking into account what I have to work with. Maybe you should take a look at my pic post on page four and see how how I've improved by following your advice as best I can. I'm trying to learn from you and you're making me think it was a big mistake to follow your advice at all.

Come on Jeff.  Let's go back on count the posts/pics in the original WPF thread - I did.  You get 20 posts with 30 pics.  The add to that the Diner posts and pics add your another 15 posts with 14 pics.  Almost all repeats from the WPF thread.  So I don't know how you're getting 5 pic posts in the thread and only one per page.  I don't think so either.

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Posted by spectratone on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:57 PM
 loathar wrote:

First backdrop attempts. Still need to paint the trees in yet.



 

arn,t those clouds fun to paint? I still working on my new backdrop. I have a test board I have been painting and repainting. I,m not an artist but by the time I,m done I will be.    Did you airbrush your clouds? Stensil?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, September 3, 2007 10:07 PM

Check last weeks thread and this weeks. Last week, one post of pics per page. This weeks thread (the first one), I made two or three pic posts on a couple of pages, on one of those it was the next day and on the others several hours had passed so I felt justified in posting a pic and keeping the thread on page one. On two or three pages I made no pic posts at all. In this thread, I made one pic post per page. I'm not counting what I posted in the diner and on other forums, that doesn't relate to this thread. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to the ER. With all this stress I'm having really bad chest pain.

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Posted by johnnyx on Monday, September 3, 2007 10:34 PM
loathar, nice clouds, they look very real.  Nice work!
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Posted by mikelhh on Monday, September 3, 2007 10:42 PM

 loathar  I think those clouds look very good individually, just not sure about the spacing of them. It's only my opinion, but I was wondering if you grouped or overlapped some the overall look might be better. Just a thought. They do look good and vaporous though.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by mikelhh on Monday, September 3, 2007 10:59 PM

 That's clever! You're going to wind up with a great sky!

 

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Posted by bnsf 7225 on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:01 PM
The clouds look really awesome man!
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Posted by UP2CSX on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:01 PM
Glenn, nothing wrong with those pine trees that I can see. Or, let me rephrase that. They look just like mine, so they must be good. Smile [:)] I've been looking with envy at that Zephyr set of yours. How does it run? Are the interior lights really as bright as they appear in the photo? Sure makes it stand out but it kind of looks like a tanning booth if they are really that bright. Oh, and is that a {gasp!} Plasticville coaling tower I see in the back. Looks pretty good when you paint and detail it, huh?
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Posted by UP2CSX on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:05 PM

Ty,

Interesting juxtaposition with that modern Amtrak train in the background and the old farmhouse and classic car out front. Nice lighting too - was it taken outdoors?

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Posted by rayw46 on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:07 PM

 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:
Al.  I'm not a photographer and don't claim to be.  .... better than what I'm capable of at this point in time with the antiquated equipment I have. I would like to be able to take pics like those, but with a 1.3 megapixel VGA camera, it ain't gonna happen. Now do me a favor and quit bashing me.

I'm mystified, about that photo of your car?  The quality of the image is far superior to that of even your best layout photos (even the ones that have not been closeups and should have been clearer) which are consistently soft, fuzzy and mushy (no hard sharp lines which is not an indication of camera movement due to a shakey hand) with horrendous color reproduction.  What's really going on here.  Could it be that's it's time for you to quit falling back on your, "I don't have the ability," "I know they're bad but I'm getting better," "I have inferior equipment," excuses. 

This is not easy to write, not because I think I'm going to get bashed (some of your most vocal online supporters have said worse that me) but because you have so often pointed out that you are disabled.  That's unfortunate.  But to be honest, this entire affair on this forum is getting tiresome and boring, including your part in it, and now, unfortunately, even my part in it.

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Posted by UP2CSX on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:08 PM
Perry, what's that guy on the roof doing? I'll bet he's keeping an eye out for dinosaurs! Smile [:)]
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Posted by UP2CSX on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:13 PM
Loathar, nice start on those clouds. If you don't mind advice from an amateur meteorologist, you're painting cumulus clouds of the fair weather variety. They should all have bases at pretty much the same altitude and should be kind of flat and grey on the bottom. The rest of the cloud has some really nice color contrast. It should be easy to fix the bases and then you can add some feathery cirrus above them with a deck of altocumulus in between...oops, sorry, the meteorologist in me got carried away. Smile [:)] 
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Posted by UP2CSX on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:26 PM

Simon,

That was your first scratchbuilt structure? My first scratchbuilt structure was a handcar shed that finally ended up standing in for an outhouse behind a farm building. Smile [:)] You have some real talent. I'm glad you have some pictures of how it's built. Is it permanently mounted or can you just pick it up from the layout? I'm trying to come up with some convincing store signs and your method of doing the ballroom sign gave me some good ideas. Outstanding work! 

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Posted by UP2CSX on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:33 PM
Fred, that looks like some mighty rough seas in your harbor. Smile [:)] Now's the time to get some gloss matte medium and shine up those waves.
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Posted by mikelhh on Monday, September 3, 2007 11:33 PM

 Simon  I recall seeing your thread about the construction of that ballroom.  I for one wouldn't mind if it was repeated! Great stuff!

 Mike 

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Posted by Todd McWilliam on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 12:28 AM
Geep Unit you are a very insecure person that you have to get on the forum and purposely pick on someone.  let me guess you are short, you feel inadequate because you don't measure up in the real world so you come here to be the big man.  Jeff's work may not be up to your standards, so what, he trys and he enjoys model railroading.  In high school you probabley got the crap beat out of you so you are carrying a chip on your shoulder.  If you don't like Jeff's stuff, skip over it, ignore it, but grow up and quit being a bully. 
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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 2:37 AM
 rayw46 wrote:

I'm mystified, about that photo of your car?  The quality of the image is far superior to that of even your best layout photos (even the ones that have not been closeups and should have been clearer) which are consistently soft, fuzzy and mushy (no hard sharp lines which is not an indication of camera movement due to a shakey hand) with horrendous color reproduction.  What's really going on here.

That was taken outdoors, in natural light with the camera sitting on top of a gas grill and the timer engaged. Inside my trailer is a different story. I have fluorescent lighting and it drives the camera nuts! Fluorescent lights flicker at a rate undetectable by the human eye, but the camera can see them and it constantly keeps the setting shifting. Newer cameras have a fluorescent setting. Mine doesn't. In fact, it states in the manual that fluorescent lights WILL cause problems with it. I have to use a low watt flood light held behind the camera to light the subject being photographed. Most of the time I have the camera on a flat surface and use the timer to snap the pic. Even then, it usually doesn't turn out right and must be edited.

That's the answer to your mystery.Smile [:)]

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Posted by jasperofzeal on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:34 AM
 loathar wrote:


This looks similar to the Windows XP default desktop setting (look).  BTW, the desktop is not mine, it's a net picture.  Anyway, I like how it's progressing for you, keep up the good work.

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Posted by simon1966 on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:35 AM
 UP2CSX wrote:

Simon,

That was your first scratchbuilt structure? My first scratchbuilt structure was a handcar shed that finally ended up standing in for an outhouse behind a farm building. Smile [:)] You have some real talent. I'm glad you have some pictures of how it's built. Is it permanently mounted or can you just pick it up from the layout? I'm trying to come up with some convincing store signs and your method of doing the ballroom sign gave me some good ideas. Outstanding work! 

UP2CSX, thanks for the compliment.  I had been building the Walthers plastic kits for a while and then discovered the fun of JL Innovative laser kits.  These structures gave me the courage to have a shot a scratch building.  I had found a tutorial on the web that used the foam board inner structure method and tried it for this Ball room model and found it to be quick and easy method.  IMO, a bit of care with measurements and the ability to hunt down parts like the correct windows (or at least good substitutes) and anyone can have a stab at scratch building.

Simon Modelling CB&Q and Wabash See my slowly evolving layout on my picturetrail site http://www.picturetrail.com/simontrains and our videos at http://www.youtube.com/user/MrCrispybake?feature=mhum

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