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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, November 2, 2008 7:40 PM

"GG #1! GG#1! GG#1!"

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, November 2, 2008 7:16 PM

Packers#1

welcome back Alex #3 (GG is #1, De Lery is #2, and you're #3. Now we can keep ya'll straight, lol j/k)

HAHA! I remember that! I think we lost one Alex though...I do not remember, it's hard to believe this has been around a year.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 7:10 PM

welcome back Alex #3 (GG is #1, De Lery is #2, and you're #3. Now we can keep ya'll straight, lol j/k)

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Posted by MilwaukeeRoad on Sunday, November 2, 2008 5:55 PM
Hello again everyone! I have been busy with various things, but I should be able to visit regularly again! That could be bad news or good news... depends on you. I have missed you all and I am happy to see my thread is still flowing along strongly.
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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 4:55 PM

Wikious

 Sorry, Sawyer! I missed that part. Blush It looks like it should work okay for you.

No problem man.

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Posted by Wikious on Sunday, November 2, 2008 4:51 PM

 Sorry, Sawyer! I missed that part. Blush It looks like it should work okay for you.

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, November 2, 2008 4:05 PM

Thanks! Yes the Green in the packer logo is off. For some reason when I pasted it into paint it did that. I picked up GMR 2009. The cover layout was spectacular! I didn’t find the rest real interesting at first glance, (I haven’t read the rest of the mag.) as I’m more of a classic EMD fan. But the layouts are stunning in there. At the hobby shop in Winona I was tempeted to buy some BN green, but I resisted. Tongue (If any one knows that that would be for)

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:41 AM

Packers#1

Wikious

 Sawyer, you sure that yard will be large enough for you? You'll only be able to fit one car on that passing track next to the yellow boxcar. Might as well just make it a spur, then.

Ah, I was waiting for someone to ask that question, thank you. Like I said, it's a "prototype". The real yard will be about 4 feet long and use code 55 track. I just built this to demonstrate the basic concept and see my idea take a model form.

I edited this pic to explain what each track's job is:

I posted how to operate the yard earlier.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:26 AM

Wikious

 Sawyer, you sure that yard will be large enough for you? You'll only be able to fit one car on that passing track next to the yellow boxcar. Might as well just make it a spur, then.

Ah, I was waiting for someone to ask that question, thank you. Like I said, it's a "prototype". The real yard will be about 4 feet long and use code 55 track. I just built this to demonstrate the basic concept and see my idea take a model form.

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Posted by Wikious on Sunday, November 2, 2008 10:12 AM

 Sawyer, you sure that yard will be large enough for you? You'll only be able to fit one car on that passing track next to the yellow boxcar. Might as well just make it a spur, then.

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Posted by BigBlueConrail on Sunday, November 2, 2008 9:46 AM

 Interesting!

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 9:43 AM

Finally got around to taking some pictures yesterday. First off, here's what I bought for $77, minus GMR 2009 and a few small things:

Now, I got word from my parents that whether i move into the bonus room or attic, I'll have space for a layout in the bonus room. So I decided that instead of modeling the AAT's Aiken yard, I'll model the Savannah River branch, which serves a kaolin clay mine/processing center. So yesterday I built a "prototype" for the yard. The real yard will be much longer. Here's an explanation of how the yard will work:

Bird's eye view:

Looking down from the end:

Looking from the beginning:

So, the GP30 will push it's train down the line, while the GP35 (black loco) will haul the boxcar out to the mainline and back to the Augusta yard.

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Posted by Packer on Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:58 PM

Guilford Guy

 Your Geep is still in the shop getting body work. The high nose isn't meant for a GP30, but rather a GP35 and up. It has a coat of primer on most of it though..! Smile

If you can get the cab and low hood from a GP35 or later put on it and line the top of the 35 or later cab with the loong hood of the GP35; I could say it's a GP39. 

WCfan

Looks good, but the green in the emblem look off. Might just be my monitor though

I'm almost done with my GP35 and SD9. One order to walthers should do the trick.

My C424s are coming along, slowly. I've had a shell soaking for a week in pinesol then scrubbed it, still needs to be soaked more, then scrubbed more. The black came off really easy, the green not so much. I also threw in the beadblasted shell in their. As it turns out, I might not need a entire new shell, since the Cab and sill look alright. The main body will probably be replaced due to the amount of detail lost.

Vincent

Wants: 1. high-quality, sound equipped, SD40-2s, C636s, C30-7s, and F-units in BN. As for ones that don't cost an arm and a leg, that's out of the question....

2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, November 1, 2008 11:49 AM
WCfan

Perfecto! Looks great.

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Posted by IVRW on Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:05 AM
I got started (starting) on a 4x8 with a twist. My dad and I spent a while deciding what the track plan should be. My young years spent reading MRR paied off when I enlightened on the art of operation. What he thought was having a MR was just to run trains around in circiles. If I hadint tought him we would be bored before we finished. So we went about desining a MR and settled with an L shape. A 4 x 8 4 x 6.

~G4

19 Years old, modeling the Cowlitz, Chehalis, and Cascade Railroad of Western Washington in 1927 in 6X6 feet.

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, November 1, 2008 9:47 AM

 Your Geep is still in the shop getting body work. The high nose isn't meant for a GP30, but rather a GP35 and up. It has a coat of primer on most of it though..! Smile

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Posted by Packer on Saturday, November 1, 2008 6:50 AM

GG, the Geep is gooling good so far. Now where is the other one at?

WC fan, I have a Packers F9 AB and 2 superdome cars. Hopefully I'll get more of the cars for christmas from the grandparents (want parents to get me 2 F45s). Who makes a good SDP40 in HO anyways? (If I can get one and paint it, I'll try to create BN bicentenial engines and caboose[s], The engines are a U30C[atlas] SD40-2[Athearn] and an SDP40 [dunno])

Vincent

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2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.

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Posted by WCfan on Friday, October 31, 2008 9:29 PM

Whistling

Looks like the WIN purchased 3 Montana Western SD40. (Humm Montana Western, any one remember that RR? Tongue) WIN kept the numbers the same, but patched over them. The numbers are 350, 353, and 356. Looks like the 350 got rebuilt with new trucks.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Friday, October 31, 2008 7:56 PM
WCfan

Route of the Packers.

This gets my vote. Good work on the Geep, GG.

EDIT: don't think I've posted the latest roster. Hopefully some day I will have these locos. here it is:

Type

Unit # Build Date Builder Previous Owner

U23B

12, 14-19

1976

GE

#12, 14-18: built new

#19: Seaboard System

GP38-2

20

1977

EMD

Southern (High Hood)

GP35

21, 22

1964

EMD

#21-Norfolk Western

#22-New York Central

GP30

132

1968

EMD

SRR

GP15-1

11

1977

EMD

Built new

GP9

127-131

1956

EMD

SRR

H-15-44

126

1948

Fairbanks-Morse

SRR

 Explanation of Services:

U23Bs #14-17 are used for the daily through freights between Aiken and Augusta.

U23Bs #18-19 are used for the three times daily “Soda Special” that delivers empties and      loads bound for the Soda bottling plant in Aiken from Aiken to Augusta.

U23B #20 and GP38-2 #21 are used for extras between Aiken and Augusta.

GP35 #21 is used for the way freight along the main line.

GP35 #22 is used to operate the Aiken Branch.

GP30 #132 is used as the local unit on the Savannah River Branch.

GP9s #127-128 are used for interchange work in Augusta.

GP9 #130 is the local yard switcher in Augusta.

GP9 #131 is used for local switching in Augusta.

GP9 #129 is used for interchange work in Aiken

H-15-44 #126 is the local yard switcher in Aiken.

GP15-1 #10 is leased to the soda bottling plant as a plant switcher.

 

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Friday, October 31, 2008 5:54 PM

 So like, I painted a Geep30...


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Posted by WCfan on Friday, October 31, 2008 5:49 PM

Tyler, take your pick. Any of the WC cars most likely made it to the WIN. For paint, a BN cascade Green would work. Or you could simply patch a car (Former SOO, CNW, or MILW would be preferred). If you want a paint scheme I'll paint you one on the computer, but I wouldn't want you to put much money and effort into one.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsList.aspx?id=WC&Page=1

I have yet to make a logo, or a better slogan. Any one want to help me with solgan for the WIN?

The Packer Route.

Route of the Packers.

Fast Track to Green Bay.

Winning Service Across Wisconsin.

Question

I also need to make the Packer Geep.

For WIN updates they also added a SDP40 to there roster; SDP40-3 4221.

 

 

 

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Posted by Packers#1 on Friday, October 31, 2008 3:26 PM

Packers#1

 I have no numbering system at the moment.

Well, now I do. Here's the chart and a brief explanation:

First 4 Digits

Kind of Car it is

Example

0101

Boxcar

01010698 is boxcar #698

0202

Reefer

02020698 is reefer #698

0303

Covered Hopper

03030698 is covered hopper #698

0404

Open Hopper

04040698 is open hopper #698

0505

Tank Car

05050698 is tank car #698

0606

Flat Cars

06060698 is flat car #698

0707

Gondolas

07070698 is gondola #698

0808

Auto Carriers

08080698 is auto carrier #698

0909

Intermodal Equipment

09090698 is intermodal car #698

1010

Steel Coil Cars

10100698 is steel coil car #698

The last 4 digits are that cars unique number. The first 4 identify the car type. As the examples show, the last 4 digits can be the same for two different kinds of cars, because the first 4 will be different. However, two boxcars can not both be #01010698, for example.

Creator’s note: The number system will be expanded to number 1111, 1212, 1313, 1414, etc. as new car types become available.

Of course, the loco numbering system is start at 10 and go up. It's at #23 as the next loco. there will be no #13. Some locos are numbered 126-131, those are ex-SRR units.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Friday, October 31, 2008 1:59 PM

I guess Delery pulpwood sounds good, like I said, 'tis all up to you!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2008 10:54 AM

 The 1 series? Do you mean the 1000 series or the 10000 series? All of my cars have 5 digit numbers, as the locos are in the 4-digit series. I have a numbering system, but I forgot it...

Jordan, so the WIN car should be numbered what?

Alex, if you don't know what reporting marks you'll be using, I guess you'll get an industry named after you. Delery Pulpwood sound okay?

Now I get to make a location sign for West Formanek... I base mine after the ones David Barrow uses on his CM&SF layout and it's succesors, where it shows both the track layouts and the town location relative to the rest of the layout. Here's the one in Dooley, NH.


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Posted by Guilford Guy on Friday, October 31, 2008 5:57 AM

 B&M and MEC cars are unpatched because they still are railroads, and own cars. PAR Cars and locomotives mostly have MEC, B&M and ST reporting marks.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:52 PM

TrainManTy

Also, Alex, what was the name of that shortline you were planning? Montreal & St. Albans?

No, not anymore.

I would like it to just be a small local railroad running not more than 30km between two towns. I have no name yet, but it would be in southern Quebec.

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Posted by WCfan on Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:19 PM

Yep Tyler, the Wisconsin Illinois and Northern. Here is the Chicago Map (I think that‘d be more helpful). If you'd like to see the locomotive roster and or locomotive drawings just ask.

Vincent, yes, that BN SD45 made it too WC. WV got most of the BN ordered SD45s, and only got a few NP, CB&Q, and SLSF SD45s. Here's all the BN SD45s WC got. A little note, these are the last numbers they got on BN, if you'd like to see there other numbers just ask.

BN 6677
BN 6502
BN 6523
BN 6527
BN 6534
BN 6539
BN 6541
BN 6543
BN 6553
BN 6554
BN 6559
BN 6560
BN 6572
BN 6477
BN 6460
BN 6417
BN 6494
BN 6660
BN 6690
BN 6498
BN 6499
BN 6501
BN 6504
BN 6505
BN 6506
BN 6507
BN 6508
BN 6510
BN 6511
BN 6517
BN 6522
BN 6524
BN 6526
BN 6530
BN 6531
BN 6532
BN 6533
BN 6535
BN 6537
BN 6538
BN 6548
BN 6491

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Posted by Packers#1 on Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:50 PM

Packer, the only rail line form Augusta to Aiken is a Norfolk Southern line. Aiken has a passing siding, a mainline that splits in two, some abanfdoned spurs, and three industries, while CSX and NS have yards in Augusta. They're also only a few miles apart. My modeler's license says that they are 20 miles apart, and the Southern (now Norfolk Southern) never built a line to Aiken because the SRR came to Augusta.

here's the history:

Aiken-Augusta Terminal Railroad

Overview and rosterThe Aiken-Augusta Railroad was started in 1969 when the Savannah River railroad went out of business. Most of the line was purchased by the Genesee & Wyoming, but a small portion of the line from Aiken to Augusta was purchased by a local man, Sawyer Berry, in a surprise out-bid of the G&W. The line is rich with online customers and spots for more, and because the G&W’s line does not connect with Norfolk Southern in Aiken, the AAT handles CSX, NS, and G&W interchange traffic in the area. Start up locomotives were a GP30, an ex-NW GP35, an ex-NYC GP35, the SRR’s GP9s (6), 8 U25Bs (through freights), and 2 H-15-44s made in 1949. I 1971, the 8 U25Bs and an H-15-44 were exchanged with GE for credit on 6 U23Bs (#14-19). However, these were not enough. The GP35s were assigned to help, with 2 GP9s working the way freights, but when tonnage nearly doubled in 1988, they needed major help. Fortunately, a seaboard System U23B and an ex-Southern Rwy. GP38-2 were purchased and numbered 20 and 21, respectively. 2 GP9s were sold, and the GP35 took over the way freights. Today, the AAT operates many through freights and extras between Aiken and Augusta, and has three branch lines. One line is in Aiken county to serve local industries (Aiken Branch), one is near the Savannah River and serves a kaolin mine and a chemical plant (the Savannah River Branch and has it’s own locomotive, a GP30), and one to serve local Augusta industries (the Augusta Branch). There is also the soda special, which runs three times a day from Aiken to Augusta to bring supplies for the soda bottling plant in Aiken.

I need to fiddle w/ the roster a little. I'll also get that frieght car system.

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Posted by Packer on Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:32 PM

Sawyer, just don't let your RR go the route of the real CRIP. (looks around to make sure there aren't any around, one more reason why I don't like florida)

WCfan, was the BN SD45 in that picture of of the ones the WC got to?

Well I finally found a name for the fictional RR I might make; Vancouver Railway Corporation. I used my initials. I didn't want to be a canadian RR but there is a Vancouver in Washington. Guess I could run it between both Vancouvers and have it interchange with the CB&Q, SP&S or GN in Seatlle.

I have a paintshceme here: http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=201&highlight=thread+paint&mforum=ntres2

Or a I could be lazy and say it was a CB&Q subsidy that got sucked into BN. Yay lazyness.

I found this: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=91710 a little bit ago. Only one of the pictues in their is actually BN 1876. (the one behind 1776 is actually 1976, an SDP40)

Mabye someday I'll have all 3 of BN's bicentainial units. Atlas made the U30C, Athearn makes the SD40-2. No one makes a good SDP40. Also not made in HO are BN E-units and C636s.

Vincent

Wants: 1. high-quality, sound equipped, SD40-2s, C636s, C30-7s, and F-units in BN. As for ones that don't cost an arm and a leg, that's out of the question....

2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:28 PM

Tyler, just AAT for the reporting marks. I have no numbering system at the moment. I checked on those marks too, and there are 2 AATX ones, but no AAT, so mine are clear. For locomotives though, the scheme is the SRR locos kept their numbers, and newly purchased locos were given the number 10 and then up. I think it's at 22 though, so the next number for a loco is 23. but for a boxcar or anything, no numbering scheme for frieght cars yet, haven't gotten that involved. Might just go w/ a 1 for boxcars, a 2 for hoppers, and so on. Like i said, I'll need to give it some thought, but I'll come up w/ one.

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