Hello Tom,
Thank you very much for helping me a while back in my search for the classic "Esso" gas stations signs.
A new question/request, if you don't mind. Do you have signs from the 1960s-70s era? The types that you'd see on buildings as well as on the sides of transit buses and commuter stations.
Thank you
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
Hello, guys! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!
I need some advise.
I want to model (in TT) some place (maybe fictional) in Wisconsin or near. My favorite era is 1950s.
I have a TT-scale truck/van, and I want to detail it appropriately using some signs from this topic.
It is Russian ZiS-150, but I want to use it as International K-serie truck (K7, for example); it seems to me that they are almost identical:
So, what is your opinion?
Would this type of van be appropriate for Wisconsin in 1950s?
What sign do you recommend to make the decals for it?
Maybe some restaurant? But which one? I am afraid that KFC or Burger King were not well known in 1950s...
A tire company, a bread compay, furniture dealer, US Mail, a department store, a tobacco or liquor dealer ect.
You have heard it before, but thanks again for all of the effort in this thread!
I see a few highway signs in the very first page of the thread, but have not seen any others. Are they on a particular page and maybe I missed them?
Mark
Ok, what is the best way to select a given sign off of that large PDF and print just that one?
Thanks,
Try copy then paste then crop to the sign you want then print.
Just a suggestion to the moderators......................
This thread has been an outstanding resource for modelers railroaders.
Would you please consider making this thread a "Permanent sticky"?!
Great signs . . . I've already used a number of them.
One question . . . have you ever found any signs for northwoods (WI, MN) resorts?
Billslake
Thanks Tom,
I am going to use the Buster Brown sign somewhere on the layout, I always had those shoes when I was a kid.
Derek
Thank you again, we've enjoyed every page.
Do you have anything with vintage ladies hats? My wife wants a Millinery Shop on her portion of our layout.
I hope this thread will stay.
Sam
Hi,
Got to ask........... is there a problem with copyrights here?
Don't get me wrong, I really like the signs, and being 1/2 Italian from Chicago, I'm not concerned about getting in trouble.............. but, I am curious.
ENJOY !
Mobilman44
Living in southeast Texas, formerly modeling the "postwar" Santa Fe and Illinois Central
I have been waiting for Tomcat's reply. If they are indeed copyright material then they should be taken down. If only some of them are, perhaps they could be removed and his originals remain.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
I guess we need to hear from someone about the origin of this stuff.
I recall the snafu between the railroads and the hobby manufacturers over images, and logos, and icons, even for fallen flags, that were being used on models.
Are there potential copyright or trademark violations with these signs?
Rich
Alton Junction
All who know me on this forum know that I just shared the images. I never sold or tried to sell anything. Again I say I'm sorry for this & will not post any image that is not total in my own making. This goes for the signs also. It is now up to MR if they want to remove this tread. I am a type of person that just wants to pass on anything that might help others. Again I have ment no harm to any owner of the sign images or to MR forum. I am pleased for all who have supported me in the past. THANKS! tkat
LION supports you and your work. Keep up the good work. Most of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, there are a few of corporations that still exist, if they have a problem they would have to contact you each one individually. It looks to me that all of your work falls within fair-use.
ROAR
The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.
Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
BroadwayLion LION supports you and your work. Keep up the good work. Most of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, there are a few of corporations that still exist, if they have a problem they would have to contact you each one individually. It looks to me that all of your work falls within fair-use. ROAR
I don't use any of these signs, so it doesn't matter to me, but if I were constantly posting images such as these, I would want to be familiar with copyright and trademark laws, public domain, and fair use.
The mere passage of time is no guarantee that such images may be freely posted or distributed.
BroadwayLion LION supports you and your work. Keep up the good work. Most of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, there are a few of corporations that still exist, if they have a problem they would have to contact you each one individually. It looks to me that all of your work falls within fair-use.
I don't know the whole story since its spread over a couple threads, but from what I can piece together the story would be something like this.
A company collects images of period signs, scans them and sizes them to scale size. They sell sheets of these signs. They have also posted pictures of the sheets on line in their catalog for people to look and and decide to buy.
TomKat has copied the images from that catalog and posted them to this forum so people can print them out and they won't have to BUY the sheets from the company that took the time to scan the signs, size them to scale and assemble the sheets.
TomKat's "good" and "hard" work consists of copying the good and hard work that somebody else has done and posting it on a public fourm.
In some contexts this could be considered theft or piracy. TomKat wasn't selling anything and says he didn't understand what he was doing might be considered suspect.
LION, would you say I was doing "good" work and thank me for my "hard work" if I had taken the latest hit CD or DVD that was on sale at a store, made copies without the store or the record company's permission, then stood outside that store and handed out free copies to passerbys? If you do then you order must have some interesting vows..
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
tomkat-13All who know me on this forum know that I just shared the images. I never sold or tried to sell anything.
It's important to understand how US copyright law works in this regard. Whether any payment is exchanged is immaterial. Making copies for one's own personal use is one thing. Distribution of copyrighted material to others, even for free, is normally considered a violation of the law unless the holder of the copyright specifically provides for such distribution.
When MR used to publish scale plans all the time, I recall them having a prominent notice to the effect that the purchaser of the magazine may make copies of the drawings for his/her own personal or commercial modelmaking, but does not have the right to distribute copies to others. While not specifically stated in all such notifications, such distribution includes providing free copies. It's the same principle at work.
I would hope none of the images assembled into the groups of signs in this thread are sourced from copyrighted material. If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach.
Rob Spangler
wp8thsub If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach.
If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach.
Not really. The use of copyrighted material on the forums is specifically prohibited. It is the responsibilty of the poster to determine if such material is copyrighted.
The signs were found from auctions like on ebay & other auction sites.
richhotrain wp8thsub If the copyright holder(s) became aware of the postings there could be nasty legal consequences for Kalmbach. Not really. The use of copyrighted material on the forums is specifically prohibited. It is the responsibilty of the poster to determine if such material is copyrighted.
That depends. A statement of policy against posting of copyrighted material does not necessarily absolve the host of responsibility. If the host knows, or reasonably should know, of a violation and continues to keep such material accessible through its forum, there could be trouble. Various hosting services with similar policies to the Kalmbach forums take down material reported as, or suspected of, infringing on copyrights all the time to avoid legal repercussions. Photo hosting sites like Flickr and Photobucket do this, as well as video hosting sites like Youtube and Daily Motion. I've seen plagiarized text and stolen photos removed from other forums (not necessarily model train related) at the request of legal counsel, so it does happen.
The OP has indicated he is unaware of any copyright problems that could arise from his signs, which is good. I have had this thread saved in my favorites for some time, so I hope it stays as well.