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Posted by anjdevil2 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:53 PM

I can tell you from some experience, that the Acela runs 100+.  I've seen first hand what has to happen for high speed rail (Buckeye, I think you can back me up here...)  When the Metroliner first started, I saw all the ties on the main line replaced with cement ties.  The rails were layed at the time by "hand", welded and then ground smooth.  Track alignment was checked and I believe the tolerance had to be dead on for 90+mph to happen.  I guess that this is some of the financial limitations of starting high speed rail.

Believe me when I tell you, I was on the east platform in Princeton Jct, NJ when I saw the Southbound Acela, literally blew through.  5 minutes later, here comes the Northbound.  Nothin' like the breeze of high speed rail (luckily, I was holding on to something...)

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Posted by cnw1995 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:28 PM
That's the speed limit on the experimental trains run on UP track from Chi to St. Louis - 110. I've read of all sorts of adventures to secure grade crossings. It's fun to blue-sky possibilities - in Chicago - absolutely-strapped for just day-to-day transit funding - they're still musing about extending Metra to Milwaukee (already covered by six daily Hiawathas) and Rockford.

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Posted by Wes Whitmore on Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:59 PM
I guess financially, people would want to try to reuse the tracks that ar already there.  Since most of the steel is coming from over seas now, maybe it's cheaper than I think...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:29 PM
Buckeye - I did... head still spinning... Wink [;)]

That is part of the problem - requiring passenger rail to share tracks with freight... they don't do this in other parts of the World, so why require it here?  What I'm saying is that the passenger rail system be seperate from the freight system... more along the lines of what they have done in Europe...
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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:42 PM

Brent, Yes 110 mph is not high speed, but it is the speed where FRA will let you share the tracks with freights which reduces real estate costs dramatically and makes the case economically justifiable. You need to read the complete report.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:19 PM
Buckeye,
That's cool, but there are significant flaws:

1. High Speed Rail is greater than 110MPH
2. High Speed Rail should connect major cities to major cities... not airport to airport (doing this still highlights air travel), I say they should have High Speed (200+ mph) Train links between the major cities, each with their own major train stations.  These train stations would then link the NATIONAL train service to the local light rail systems, or subways, or trolley systems.

High Speed Rail should be just that - High Speed and designed to move the most people in the shortest (beat air travel) amount of time - then once the people are there, the local transit system would take over (much like the airports of today).

Note: Pittsburgh would be forced to drop PAT and consolidate all the regional transportation authorities into a Southwestern, PA or Western, PA (to accomodate New Castle, Erie, Mercer, Edinborough, Warren, Washington, Greensburgh, etc)... there really is no need to have 200+ mph connections between Erie - Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh - Washington, Pittsburgh - Greensburg...

Note: Baltimore and DC SHOULD consolidate their Metro lines and add lines to Frederick/Westminster/Hagerstown/Cumberland and for a Maryland Transportation Authority that would be responsible for inter-city mid-speed rail services.

... maybe I should start a consulting business and put my PLAN into writting, lay it all out as to who would be responsible for what...
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Posted by cnw1995 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:46 AM
Oh man, I should've guessed NJ Public Transit! Congrats on a nice group of new items.

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Posted by anjdevil2 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:38 AM

Doug I got.......(drum roll please....)Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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It's going on my Christmas layout next week, I'm leaving at the LHS so see if we get some bites on it, he has another one ordered.  Also got to run the Hogwarts Express.  Not really impressed with the air whistle, but seems to be a great running engine, and smokes really well too!    I'll be getting mine fairly soon...after my Polar Express and the Trolley...!

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Posted by Dave Farquhar on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:36 AM

 lionroar88 wrote:


I wish the Fed would invest in AmTrack and make high speed coast-to-coast rail a reality.  You wouldn't need a direct NYC-LA train, could make stops in a couple large cities along the way... just need to cut the trip from 3 days down to < 1 day.  I'm thinking NYC-CHICAGO-LA maybe a stop in Denver?  Or a DC - LA train... anything would be better than what we have now...

Rail moves more people, more efficiently, and cheeper than car/bus/plane.

And given the obsession with terrorism, rail is safer. You can't hijack a train and fly it into a building.

I love flying, but current regulations have really ruined it. I flew to Chicago this summer. The tickets advised getting to the airport TWO HOURS early. And of course the non-random screening got me--anyone with a "q" in their name is a terrorist, you know. So when I travel, it always will take the full two hours to get on the plane. In all, it took 3 1/2 hours to get to Chicago by plane (only 45 minutes of which we were actually in the air). By rail, it would have taken about an hour longer.

I'm hoping we'll vacation in Chicago a lot more often in the future, and we'll probably take the train. It's less stressful, nearly as fast, and a lot less expensive.

We used the El to get around Chicago and we loved it. I'd love it even more if we'd stayed closer to downtown. Next time we will.

I also travel to Kansas City a lot and while it won't be practical for my next trip (I'll be hauling too much stuff), I'll probably start using the train a lot for that too. A ticket costs $25, and I can't drive there for that.

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Posted by cnw1995 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:19 AM
'Morning from a sunny and freezing Crystal Lake where i am contemplating a similar action to Fife's  story upon eyeballing the gigantic mound of laundry that magically grows on the floor of the teens' rooms - no offense to Colin or Grayson...

Rich, I have seen that gorgeous trolley - which did you get? I am green-and-orange (Cal. Public Service colors) with envy.

Don, saw that Airbus when it visited Chicago - too scary big for me. Interesting here the state (somehow) is supporting UP's experiments with high-speed trains on the Chi-StL route -they funded Amtrak's increased volumes on a few routes and rideship has just exploded.

Any advice on an optional set up for a few yard tracks? I have an open area off a main line - but can't seem to fit something in with a1521/22 switch, then curve, then straight then another switch for the second track - goes 'too' long. I guess I need a photo to show.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:18 AM
 lionroar88 wrote:
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:
 dbaker48 wrote:

I would prefer taking the train.

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] High speed, too.



I wish the Fed would invest in AmTrack and make high speed coast-to-coast rail a reality.  You wouldn't need a direct NYC-LA train, could make stops in a couple large cities along the way... just need to cut the trip from 3 days down to < 1 day.  I'm thinking NYC-CHICAGO-LA maybe a stop in Denver?  Or a DC - LA train... anything would be better than what we have now...

Rail moves more people, more efficiently, and cheeper than car/bus/plane.

Brent, take a look at page five of this report.  http://www.dot.state.oh.us/OHIORAIL/Ohio%20Hub/Website/ordc/Ohio_Hub_Final_Docs/Executive_Summary.pdf

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:36 AM
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:
 dbaker48 wrote:

I would prefer taking the train.

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] High speed, too.



I wish the Fed would invest in AmTrack and make high speed coast-to-coast rail a reality.  You wouldn't need a direct NYC-LA train, could make stops in a couple large cities along the way... just need to cut the trip from 3 days down to < 1 day.  I'm thinking NYC-CHICAGO-LA maybe a stop in Denver?  Or a DC - LA train... anything would be better than what we have now...

Rail moves more people, more efficiently, and cheeper than car/bus/plane.
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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:30 AM
 dbaker48 wrote:

I would prefer taking the train.

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] High speed, too.

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Posted by ChiefEagles on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:59 AM
I hope airbuses are gone for me except for personal travel.  Marty E will need it.

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Posted by dbaker48 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:52 AM

Chief and Marty - New standards to pursue....

The new Airbus 380, is in LA for a test flight.  Man is that huge, over 1.3 million lbs., can carry 800 passengers.  Talk about BIG seats, you can even recline.  Too big for me, when it ever comes down it would come down hard!  

I would prefer taking the train.

 

Hope noone gets their panties in a bunch cause this isn't train related. 

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Posted by anjdevil2 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:50 AM

Fife---Good Job!!!  I currently living in estrogen city (Her Majesty & The Princess), and boy oh boy can I relate!!!  hmmm may I can try that one here....Whistling [:-^]

Another great day here....up to 75F.  Took a PT Cruiser rag top home last night, put the top down, froze my whatevers off (yup had the heater on!).  Afterall, rag tops are meant to be driven topless, right?  And it was only 50F when I left work.....

My Atlas trolley came in yesterday, WOW!!! Put it next to the Lionel Christmas trolley...OMG!!! What a nice piece!!  Doug...you listenin?  My LHS guy was soooo impressed (yes we ran it!!) He's ordering some RTR sets from Atlas...that impressive!

See ya later!

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Posted by laz 57 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:47 AM

HI GIZ,

  38 and not bad here going to get a sprinkle this morn then to clear up.  Got to suck up leaves this after.

  FIFE, HEE HAW to you, Great story.  Wish I too could have seen those faces along with the comments from the kiddos on the bus.  Pretty funny stuff.

   MITCH, maybe Saturday, I hope?

All have agood one.

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Posted by tmcc man on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:21 AM

Good morning everyone,

I did not get much sleep last night so I got to stay home today.

Fife great story. I did that last summer when I was down the shore to my sister and my one cousin. I adorned the my uncles boat with my cousins bikini tops and bottoms. I climbed on the roof and put a few pair of underwear on the weather vane, and put some shirts, jeans, and shorts on all the trees out front. It was such a riot, and no one got me back. I was getting them back because the night before they put make up all over me, and I silently wiped it all off so they would have no clue when I got it off. And, they didn't take pictures, unlike my aunt did when she helped me. If I could find them, I would post them.

Chief I took 2 tylenol last night and it worked really well. I have a small amount of pain left, but other than that, I have no bad pain anymore.

Well, I'm going to go have breakfast. Have a good day everyone. 

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Posted by ChiefEagles on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:12 AM
 edw wrote:
 ChiefEagles wrote:
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:

Chief - You still haven't explained to me the need for Southerners to serve Mac and Cheese on Thanksgiving.  I have asked several Northerners and all them start laughing.

Never heard of that.  I think there are a lot of Yankees living in the Asheville area [we call 'em Carpetbaggers] and must have come from them.  Turkey, stuffing, gravy, ham, greens, butterbeans, cranberry sause and mashed potatoes [added due to SIL and his family].  My family always had eastern NC pork bar-be-que and slaw for Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter.  No Mac and Cheese.  Now I have learned some yoyo's [way up Nawth] eat Chinese for New Years.  

This discussion comparing Northern and Southern cooking reminds me of an old joke that may explain why we southerners are so creative in the kitchen.

What's the real difference between a Yankee Zoo and a Southern Zoo?

On the cage, a Yankee Zoo will have the name of the animal and then the scientific name in Latin.

Whereas, a Southern Zoo will have the name of the animal and the recipe.....!

p.s. I'm from Virginia. Dinner [dinner]

 

That is because Yankees think that cows, sheep , hogs, turkeys and chickens are wild animals and put them in the zoo. Laugh [(-D]  The only Yankees I know who know better are John F and his family. Wink [;)]

Morning all.  Off to Town Hall.  Rainy and cool.  Got chest cold from all this crazy weather and lady at Town Hall.  Came to work sick as a dog and I sent her home.  Spreading germs all over the place.  Well, grits will help get rid of it [along with some meds].  Trainroom work later today.

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Posted by sir james I on Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:46 AM

MORNING ALL,

Fifedog- great story, loved it.

Nick12- yes that tool to tighten the nuts would have been a biggg help. I had the wife hold down on top while I hand tighten them. hope the silicone holds.

33 & windy of course overcast. reg gas still $3.09. no plans for today, just going to go with what comes along.

Checked with the train store yesterday and no big new items at the moment. Later, Sir James

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:30 AM

edw - You now have successfully succeeded in explaining a host of things to many of us.  Bow [bow]

fifedog - Photos?????

I was unsuccessful in procuring a Lionel Extension Bridge  (6-2122) from EBay.  Since the first two I have previously purchased were both less than $25.oo, I knew my limit.  The darn thing sold on EBay for $40.oo.  It's Chrismas Season!!!

Nice clear blue skies in Buckeyeland today.

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Posted by cheapclassics on Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:18 AM

Good morning all,

IIABSDISEI with temps in the low 40s.  (For the newcomers to the forum, the preceding acronym stands for "It is another beautiful sunny day in south eastern Indiana".  It rained so seldom this summer that I got tired of typing it out every day.)  I mowed leaves up for the last time last night.  There were only two bags worth, but I wanted to get them up before the weather turned really bad.  My dad and I also worked on the layout for the historical society.  I did not go to the YMCA for once due to the leave work and other errands I was doing.  There were bran muffins on the dining car this morning from "Points East", and I saw a CSX train rolling by the parking lot this morning.  Chuck, I am glad to hear your wife is doing better.  Tmcc man, take care of yourself and hope the rest of ills in your family go away soon.  I hope everyone has a good day.

Keep on training,

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Posted by fifedog on Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:12 AM

Mornin' boys.  Mornin' English.  Overcast and 43 here int the Mid-Atlantic region.

jefelectric/sir james - Thank you both, very much.

Brutus - ANNE or SOPHIA...?

FELLOW FATHERS IN ARMS - (read on)

DATELINE - FIFEDOG'S HOUSE, somewhere in the MD Burbs.

Father of 4 had previously warned his princesses that taking the clothes that were in the washer/dryer out, without folding them and putting them away, would lead to their wardrobe adorning the grounds of our humble estate.  Yesterday, the father finds an obscene pile of towels and wash clothes (still a little damp), that were taken out of the dryer and placed in a heaping pile on the basment floor.  In the dryer were jeans, Aeropostle shirts, socks, and numerous frilly unmentionables.Banged Head [banghead]  The father, while humming JOHNNY MATHIS' It's beginning to look a lot like ChristmasWhistling [:-^],  proceeded to decorate the grounds with said items from dryer.  The undies were hung from the picket-gate with care, designer jeans and a polka-dot bra could be seen on the old scarecrow right there.  The trees, without leaves, now had color again,  and the pirate ship, yes the pirate ship, had sails in the wind.Pirate [oX)]

Quite pleased with his effortsApprove [^], the father went off to work, wishing he could be there to see the princesses' faces as their scholl bus pulled up.Laugh [(-D]

You know this did not end well...read on.

At 2315 hours, the father arrived home to see that Fifey-s titey-whities were now adorning the same pirate shipShock [:O], treesShock [:O], garageShock [:O], and scarecrowShock [:O].  And someone went for the jugular, when they placed the father's sacred Hawaiian shirt (you know, the one with the dancing hula-girls all over it) on the scarecrow outside (I sensed Fifey's-wifey's influence somewhere there)Disapprove [V].

So, what did we learn?  I, for one, learned how to unite my family in a common cause.Dunce [D)]

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Posted by Blueberryhill RR on Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:48 AM

Good Morning from Blueberryhill....

It is a cloudy 46 degrees. Going up to a partly sunny 55.

Today is a less busy day. I have an errand to run and then I will spend some time running trains and working on the layout.  I need to get busy with the scenery.

Wife is improving each day. Foot hurts less. She is sleeping all night. One more follow up at the doctor, on Monday.

Dining car is waiting. Time for breakfast.

Y'all have a great Thursday.

Chuck

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Posted by mitchelr on Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:15 AM
 fifedog wrote:

mitchie - Any good train displays this month up in G'burg?

Morning to All

Fife - no good displays in G'burg that I know of.  My Dad wanted me to go over to Marley Station  Mall to see a layout there, but I didn't get there last week.  Maybe some weeknd soon. train displays in Fire House are not as popular here as in Maryland.  Not sure if they are having the display at Manchester FD this year.  If I see the sign I'll let you know.

LAZ- hope you put one in your freezer this year.  This Saturday may be a good day. 

Must get to work.  Lots to do. Busy all day yesterday. Got home exhausted. No time for trains. I still have not figured out the horn issue with my BEEP whether it is the sound kit or the transformer. Maybe this weekend or next. The Mrs. has plans both weekends, leaving me free to do what I want. (ie play in the train room) Hooray.

Have a great day.

Mitch 

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Posted by CSXect on Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:03 AM

Good morning everyone off to work in about 20 min. After 6 days off yesterday I returned to work to find that my favorite camera has died and boxes of documents in the storage area where falling over all over the place and we are running short on billable workSigh [sigh].

Still losing pounds but at a slower rate.

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Posted by Nick12DMC on Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:55 AM

Hmm no what you mean about the new faucets or Taps as they are known over here. The new kitchen mixer taps have the fixing you discribe. Yes there is a special long reach socket tool to do up the nut. I saw the tool in plumbers merchant (trade store) the other week.

FIL was originally a plumber by trade. He and I run our own business but we specialise in industrial steam and stainless steel work. He does still keep his hand in on the domestic side for friends/family. Oh and he's very fussy when it comes to mixer taps! As he knows how tricky some are to fit.

Gamesroom update..Got the lights /fan in the shower last night.

Nick 

 

 

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Posted by Brutus on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:52 PM
Sir James - ouch!

RIP Chewy - best dog I ever had.

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Posted by edw on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:37 PM
 ChiefEagles wrote:
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:

Chief - You still haven't explained to me the need for Southerners to serve Mac and Cheese on Thanksgiving.  I have asked several Northerners and all them start laughing.

Never heard of that.  I think there are a lot of Yankees living in the Asheville area [we call 'em Carpetbaggers] and must have come from them.  Turkey, stuffing, gravy, ham, greens, butterbeans, cranberry sause and mashed potatoes [added due to SIL and his family].  My family always had eastern NC pork bar-be-que and slaw for Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter.  No Mac and Cheese.  Now I have learned some yoyo's [way up Nawth] eat Chinese for New Years.  

This discussion comparing Northern and Southern cooking reminds me of an old joke that may explain why we southerners are so creative in the kitchen.

What's the real difference between a Yankee Zoo and a Southern Zoo?

On the cage, a Yankee Zoo will have the name of the animal and then the scientific name in Latin.

Whereas, a Southern Zoo will have the name of the animal and the recipe.....!

p.s. I'm from Virginia. Dinner [dinner]

 

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Posted by sir james I on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:27 PM
Brutus I know the blood thing. Got a three inch gash on my arm and a lumpy bruise the size of a 50 cent peice,

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