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Guten Morgen allerseits!
Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!
It's Tuesday 'n the coffee's hot - pastries fresh - 'n breakfasts ready to order! What's the problem
Comments from the Proprietor:
OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Monday - Oct 8th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:31 AM: What's to say other than many THANX for the DAILY support you provide to "Our" Place. It's not only your visits it's the material you provide for the enjoyment of our crew! I KNOW how much time it takes to come up with something different each ‘n every day - can get old in a NY minute, eh
Fine spate of book covers, as usual!
Looks like Joe Torre will be looking for work, eh I think the man should simply enjoy the remainder of his life in RETIREMENT! <geesh> WHEN is enough, enough It isn't as if there's a money problem. <grin>
I'm still sticking with the BoSox 'n Snakes in the WS!
Round appreciated - BUT - no customers to consume it! <groan>
Per (marthastrainyard) at 8:12 PM: An extremely long ‘n puzzling drought between customers here at the Feast or Famine bar ‘n grill. However, most pleased to see ya <again> Mate!
Another well orchestrated INCLUSIVE, informative ‘n interesting Post w/nicely placed fotos too!
And here's a little something for the boys who sprechen sie nicht Deutsche!
Trink, trink, Brüderlein, trink!
Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink,Lass doch die Sorgen zu HausTrink, trink, Brüderlein trink,Laß doch die Sorgen zu Haus!Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz,Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz,Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!
<translation>Drink, brother, drinkLeave your troubles at homeDrink, brother, drinkLeave your troubles at homeAvoid the worry, avoid the painAs life is just a jokeAvoid the worry, avoid the painAs life is just a joke
The Rendezvous in Toronto ‘n St. Louis were every bit the success you can imagine. The only regret I have about either is that they ended far too soon! <groan> I expect we'll pick up where we left off in May 2008!
The fact that you've noticed our Rendezvous ‘n that you're thinking about it is a POSITIVE! There's plenty of time to get on board . . . ‘n we'd love to meet ya in St. Louis!
Round, visit ‘n chat always looked forward to ‘n appreciated!
Tuesday - Oct 9th:
Eric (EricX2000) at 12:44 AM: Swedish Drinking Team <all female!>, how could I forget! <pant> <pant> <lather> <etc.!> Are you SURE they've been signed on by our competitors That's most disturbing - if true.
Pleased to note that you caught your fellow countryman's comment regarding our Rendezvous in St. Louis! Would be great to have the two of you on board! Maybe you should tell him that I drive a Volvo wagon!! <grin>
I'll let you in on a "secret," we didn't watch the Lambs <aka: Rams> game either! Saw the "controversial" calls on the sports news . . . you'd think with all of the replay techniques that the officials on the field would make the proper calls.
A Pontiac in the forests of Sweden - why not???
Many thanx for the visit! You too are very much depended upon to get our new days off ‘n running - in spite of the "wee hours" you've chosen for your appearances! <grin>
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH, if not for you, I'd be in a <funk> this day! But your radiance is all I need to realize how many GOOD things there are in life yet to enjoy! <blush> A mugga Joe with a splash for me, a round for the house, treats for the crittAHs ‘n PPF for Boris! Keep the change my sweet!
What's THIS No Bar Chandler on Monday Now wait a minute! The guy is RETIRED! What kind of an excuse could be possibly come up with to explain the absence Good Grief Charlie Brown, we need HELP in the afternoons ‘n he takes off. Fortunately Monday wasn't a full day of kitchen work, otherwise he'd have been in deep, dark <doo doo> with ME! <grrrrrrrrrrrrrr>
What's THIS No customers at all during the daytime Good Grief Charlie Brown!!! <again>
What's THIS Jan was peeking in, but didn't post one time at "Our" Place! Good Grief Charlie Brown!!! <grimace> <groan> <grrrrrrrrrrrr>
What's THIS Da Bossman didn't show up in the PM Ahhhh, but I understand WHY!! What's the point in providing meaningful "stuff" if there's no one around to appreciate it
What's THIS Per made it in for the evening AND Eric didn't disappoint with the early AM (late night) appearance. Something to cheer about, after all! [yay]
For Da Bossman! I WILL try my level best to make May "work" for me. I know that each year I say the same thing, but I really would love to meet youse guys in St. Loo!! Just that my Mrs. ‘n I have been traveling to the left coast for decades during that month ‘n I don't see anything changing EXCEPT maybe me convincing her to go it alone this time - or at least for a portion of it. That way I might be able to squeeze in some time for the Rendezvous! Always envy those of you who attend these things, for they just have to be a BLAST! Just look at the photos from Toronto ‘n St. Louis - that should tell ya up close ‘n personal!
Not to worry about Joe, he'll be far bettAH off away from that madman in the Bronx! Hard to feel sorry for a guy who has raked in that amount of cash, huh Glad the Yanks are outta the playoffs. Don't like the way "they" go about buying players and so on. Yeah, the Mets are into the same thing now 'n I guess it's just a mattAH of time B4 I just give up on all of it. mercenaries!
For Per! Another fine visit with all kinds of interesting "stuff" for the gang!
Youbetchaboots I'm not happy with the Columbus Day hype! NevAH have been ‘n nevAH will! The Norsemen got screwed in the U.S. history books ‘n it doesn't appear the truth will evAH appear <IF that is history is still taught!!> So, don't hold your breath, mate!!
IF anyone at our bar could provide some good stuff about the RFP it would be CM3 I'm NOT Shane! He's the RR Aficionado for that part of the U.S.!
Love the Eagles - always have! Have a great DVD, but ya know - too much info on their personal lives does somehow get in the way of things. I'm into the music 'n could care less about anything else. We ALL have had (and still have) "problems" in life! <geesh>
A real shame you weren't a regular at this place when we were perking along. I mean we had some great customers with an information flow that just didn't quit. It's ALL over on the "old thread" - just for the taking. I doubt we'll evAH return to those conditions . . . <sad>
Here's the Url in case you evAH want to check it out . . .
http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/1/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587
For Eric! Here's the best I could find out about that SP #3606 from
http://www.trainweb.org/
Nary a word on the "wrinkles" to be found!
SP3606 - The car was built from ex-T&NO# 950 (P-S 1937 diner lounge/round end observation). The car was outshopped 4/55 for "Shasta Daylight" service. This car was also "slab sided" by the SP during 1968 and was retired during 1970 as well (but came out of retirement briefly - see the "car identification" below). The car was rejected by Amtrak and like sister car SP 3600 was sold during 1971 to Purdy Metals of Chicago IL for scrap. These two domes were spared as an investment group planned on using the cars as part of a restaurant Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:23 AM Good day Tom and all the bar flies. Pitchers of dark all around and a knockwust mit sauerkraut for me. I hope you have some polka music on the box. It seems like only 25 years ago, that the wife and I took part in Oktoberfest festivities out in Inverness in Marin county, Ca. This was something we did for a few years. There was always a festival of some sort going on. If it wasn't Oktoberfest, then it was Cinco-de mayo, Chinese New Year, opening day on the bay or gay lib parades (only kidding). Throw in Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving and Halloween, and we had a full schedule of entertaining and party going. We have kind of slowed down somewhat over the years, but a visit now and then to "Our Place" won't take much of a toll on us. BTW, when is wife's night? I trust this place is suitable for family. Just for a start, my wife of 35 years is from Chile and she is the best wife I have ever had (I've had 3). How we met and got married, is a long story, which I won't bore you for now. Per: Standing next to a big boy under steam was an awesome experience, one that you can never forget if you have soul. It will choke you up inside. I still get all choked up when I watch a tape of steam in motion and their sounds. I have the tape of the SP #4449 as it is leaving Portland and starting across the bridge on it's trip down the coast during one of her excursion runs. It makes chills run up your spine and a lump in your throat. It's probably the closest thing to an org...sm that I can describe. I'm sure some of you older fellas know what I'm talking about. And yes, the big boy was in motion and ran to the turntable and back a few times. I'm not totally certain, but I think the engine was borrowed from Cheyenne, Wy for the occasion and returned afterwards. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Forgive me for any misinformation. I'm building the wood body version of the class D. Being a woodworker, I find it easier to do that than emboss thousands of rivets on sheet metal. My definition of a ship vs boat was, a boat can be placed on a ship, but I like your definition better. Your picture of Winslow, Az was mentioned in a song called "Take it Easy".(I think that's the title) Pete: I think the police harassment over picture taking has to do with possible terrorist activity. What has this world come to when a citizen is afraid to take a picture in his own country. I have the answer to the problem, but I can't say here. Pete: Very nice pictures of the class R and B engines. The more I see of Scandinavian and European engines, the more interested I get in them. The Swedes are masters of engineering, whether it be Volvo's, Saab's, ships, airplanes or locomotives. In regard to seeing a cab forward or big boy under steam, I don't think there would be enough support here in this country for that to happen. Maybe if we shipped the engine overseas, they might be able to revive it. When I lived in Boston, we used to play a bowling game called "candle pins". It was played the same as king pin's, but you used a smaller ball the size of a soft ball. I think Boston was the only place where they played that game. Lars: You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC? Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian friends. Do you celebrate it like we do here?For those who mentioned Diesel-Hydraulic's, the following explains how they work.The following courtesy of WikipediaDiesel-hydraulicDB class V 200.Diesel-hydraulic locomotives use hydraulic transmission to convey the power from the diesel engine to the wheels. On this type of locomotive, the power is transmitted to the wheels by means of a device called a torque converter. A torque converter consists of three main parts, two of which rotate, and one that is fixed. All three main parts are sealed in an oil-filled housing.The inner rotating part of a torque converter is called a "centrifugal pump" (or impeller), the outer part is called a "turbine wheel" (or driven wheel), and between them is a fixed guide wheel. All of these parts have specially shaped blades to control the flow of oil.The centrifugal pump is connected directly to the diesel engine, and the turbine wheel is connected to an axle, which drives the wheels.As the diesel engine rotates the centrifugal pump, oil is forced outwards at high pressure. The oil is forced through the blades of the fixed guide wheel and then through the blades of the turbine wheel, which causes it to rotate and thus turn the axle and the wheels. The oil is then pumped around the circuit repeatedly.The disposition of the guide vanes allows the torque converter to act as a gearbox with continuously variable ratio. If the output shaft is loaded to reduce its rotational speed, the torque applied to the shaft increases, so the power transmitted by the torque converter remains more or less constant.However, the range of variability is not sufficient to match engine speed to load speed over the entire speed range of a locomotive, so some additional method is required to give sufficient range. One method is to follow the torque converter with a mechanical gearbox which switches ratios automatically, similar to an automatic transmission on a car. Another method is to provide several torque converters each with a range of variability covering part of the total required; all the torque converters are mechanically connected all the time, and the appropriate one for the speed range required is selected by filling it with oil and draining the others. The filling and draining is carried out with the transmission under load, and results in very smooth range changes with no break in the transmitted power.Diesel-hydraulic multiple units, a less arduous duty, often use a simplification of this system, with a torque converter for the lower speed ranges and a fluid coupling for the high speed range. A fluid coupling is similar to a torque converter but it lacks the stationary element called the stator. The output torque is equal to the input torque regardless of the ratio of input to output speed; loading the output shaft results not in torque multiplication and constant power throughput but in reduction of the input speed with consequent lower power throughput. (In car terms, the fluid coupling provides top gear and the torque converter provides all the lower gears.) The result is that the power available at the rail is reduced when operating in the lower speed part of the fluid coupling range, but the less arduous duty of a passenger multiple unit compared to a locomotive makes this an acceptable trade-off for reduced mechanical complexity.Diesel-hydraulic locomotives are slightly more efficient than diesel-electrics, but were found in many countries to be mechanically more complicated and more likely to break down. In Germany, however, diesel-hydraulic systems achieved extremely high reliability in operation. Persistent argument continues over the relative reliability of hydraulic systems, with continuing questions over whether data was manipulated politically to favour local suppliers over German ones. In the US and Canada, they are now greatly outnumbered by diesel-electric locomotives, while they remain dominant in some European countries. The most famous diesel-hydraulic locomotive is the German V 200 which were built from 1953 in a total number of 136. The only diesel-electric locomotives of the Deutsche Bundesbahn were BR 288 (V 188), of which 12 were built in 1939 by the DRG. In the UK, the Western Region of British Rail bought a number of Diesel Hydraulic locomotives, ranging from small light duty freight locos to high powered mainline passenger locomotives, but these were withdrawn early due to being non standard, and also in some cases suffering from reliability problems (see below), being replaced by Diesel Electrics. A number were rescued for preservation though, and some are capable of running on the mainline.The high reliability of the German locomotives was paralleled by higher reliability of non-German locomotives built with German-made parts compared to that of the same designs built using parts made locally to German patterns under licence. Much of the unreliability experienced outside Germany was due to poor quality control in the local manufacture of engines and transmissions. Another contributing factor was poor maintenance due to staff accustomed to steam locomotives now working on unfamiliar and much more complex designs in unsuitable conditions, and failing to follow the unit-replacement maintenance methods which were part of the German success. It is notable that diesel-hydraulic multiple units, with the advantages of modern manufacturing techniques and improved maintenance procedures, are now extremely successful in widespread use, achieving excellent reliability.In the 1960s, more than 15 diesel-hydraulic locomotives were purchased by the Denver & Rio Grande and Southern Pacific Railroads on a trial basis from the Kraus-Maffei company. Only the outer shell of one of these (converted into a camera car by SP in the 1970s) exists today, the others having all been scrapped.Until later, Ron aka DD1 Edit coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:24 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England San Francisco Blend today); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.We had record-breaking heat yesterday (85 degrees) and is supposed to be close to that today. Do we ever need rain! Traveled to Greenbrier County yesterday (medical visits for mom); fall foliage is just starting, passed by the C&O main line twice but all was quiet.Pete - I can see a skittles table being in the bar somewhere. Let's see, I thought some of our drinks were "floorers." "Stacks" are the bodies out front sometimes. Thanks for the pictures, especially of the Pullman. Eric - The driveway looks like my street in winter (whenever that happens). We have critters like that in our yard sometimes and running through the neighborhood regularly as there are lots of woods close by. Destructive beasties, especially if you have a garden, but they give the area K9s a lot of exercise. The Class B is beautiful. Coal fired, I assume, I also liked the cutout tender for better visibility. Central Vermont had some like that. The C&O had 0-10-0s as well. They used them as yard switchers.Jan sent some nice photos. Check out the lw consist behind ATSF 3774. Also enjoyed the builders shot of the LV "Wyoming" class. There is some additional RF&P material toward the end of this post. The Niagara at Bellefontaine was interesting for that time period,. I know they went through there sometimes, especially right before the end of steam on the NYC, but the 1946 date was intriguing. Just goes to show there's a "precendent" for anything on the railroad. BTW, a round of the good stuff for anyone who correctly pronounces "Bellefontaine." Lars - I remember the D&H dome cars quite well, Got the WVC&P book and need to get the vol. 2 of the W&LE. The first volume has all sorts of fine photos. Fergie stopped by; good voyage, sir.DD1 visited with an admirable philosophical statement that echoes the words of my father. Per - BAR had more passenger cars back in the day. The Pas are pretty well done; one is back in the States being restored as a NKP "Bluebird." I will try and get to see that when it's done. The D&H PAs were ex ATSF and the paint scheme was more than coincidental.Aroostook is a county in the State of Maine. Some of their counties are as big as some states. I recall buying gasoline on different rips up to the north and looking at the card slip and seeing it marked at "T2 R9, Maine." This refers to townships and ranges (for all the surveyors out there). Anyway, it's flatland up there and they grow lots of potatoes. For years the BAR hauled potatoes, paper and forest products. The potatoes were handled in solid trains of refrigerator cars which required all sorts of special handling because they often ran from cold to warm weather and the cars had to be tended carefully so the cargo would not spoil. Typical routing was BAR-B&M-NYNH&H-PRR (via float). Potato trains were nicknamed "yellow dog extras" because of the car color. Now for some RF&P material. The RF&P may be a small road but it is extremely busy. They have, for years been a funnel for trains from the northeast to Florida and all point in between. Thus they handled a tremendous amount of interline traffic. Typical routing included (depart New York); PRR-RF&P-SAL or ACL-FEC. Going to Fredericksburg has always been a challenge as I (as many at the bar are aware) am deeply involved with Civil War history. So we spilt time between battlefield crawling and the railroad. There are several good RF&P books out there, but the one that gives you good insight into the steam days is Richard Prince's Richmond-Washington Line. Wheeling and Lake Erie was a coal hauler (therefore on my list of lines to follow) with strong ties to the steel industry. They were acquired by the NKP, then the N&W. They exist today as an independent operation with some most interesting power and operations. This website is worth examining www.wlerwy.com/ OSP keeps us going with Alaska pictures, reference material, and some more movies to watch. Many thanks for that. Rec'd rendezvous material. The Yanks Is Dead! All of the championship series are shaping up to be good ones. The NYY have some serious problems with thier pitching staff, particularly long and middle relief. Anyone see the horror film, "Joba and the Bugs That Ate Cleveland?" That was truly something.BTW, I made breakfast very quietly after the Dallas-Buffalo game last night. (lol). Mom threated to kick the TV farther that did the Dallas kicker. I will be posting all this week, but maybe a little off schedule tomorrow and Thursday as I have conference presentations to do each day.Work safe JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:58 AM Greetings Tom and fellow track huggers.....Barkeep, may I trouble you for an extra cold Guinness, top up with cigars for the lads please? Here's something for yourself as well....$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....Da..Da..Da Larsman, I understand you rant mate. Even though our beloved, very much well behaved, polite and very sympathetic Vikings with Lars Erickson arrived in Vinland todays northern tip of Newfoundland, L'Anse aux Meadows 492 years before Columbus, it's something that will go on back forth for some time I guess. Great covers mate . They always tend to lenghten my "to buy" list somewhat. I need to get a DVD player that plays DVD's of both the PAL and NTSC system....Tom, it's too bad that I live that far away, otherwise I'd have hooked up with you lads. Looking forward to whatever might follow you great Alaska photos.... How about here in Glasgow next time, eh? marthastrainyard, you could say that again mate. Todays diesels have no class or style like E's and PA's.... The only round things on them today is the wheels, otherwise everything else is in an angle of some sort.... They seem to worship the almighty RULER....Great pics... Is that whole side of the house painted?EricX2000, never operated them, eh? You were one of the lucky ones then.... My dad had few things to say about them... Oh no, I didn't miss anything at all mate. I love that house in the picture. Give me that house anywhere in the northern states, Montana, Idaho etc. and of course along the old Milwaukee Road and I'll be forever happy.... I love thick forrests, where I used to live in Sweden you could travel for hours sometimes and see nothing but forrest.Great pic ! As far as I can see it's a D (of some kind) T-21, Z-65 and maybe a Ub hiding in the background.... Keep 'em coming.Santa Fe 2-10-2 helper on Tehachapi The Country is at War. The railroads are all overworked.In this view a large 2-10-2 Santa Fe work-horse #3849provides tractive effort in the middle of the train tolesson the drawbar strain on the couplers. Smoke andsteam suggest the grade on Tehachapi is being overcomethis 1942 afternoon.Photographer: Fred C. StoesSanta Fe steam dbl-hdr/frt, ArizonaSanta Fe #3850 leads a second engine and long freight trainunder the semophores east of Williams, Arizona, and near theold Route 66 highway crossing, 1949.Photographer: Fred C. Stoes[SP #3680/freight on Cuesta (SLO), 1938Southern Pacific 2-10-2 #3860 leads a heavy freight aroundthe horseshoe curve just west of San Luis Obispo,California. Note helper way back in train on the curve.Photographer: Fred C. StoesSP 2-10-2 #3728/frt below DunsmuirA Southern Pacific 2-10-2 locomotive #3728 with bladeleads a freight train down the Sacramento River Canyonbelow Dunsmuir, California, 1938.Photographer: Fred C. StoesCredit: yesteryeardepotB&O "Big Six" 6114 Louisville Kentucky in 1956.Photographer: HK VollrathLocation and photographer unknown. Credit: northeastrailfan.See you around the corner.... All the best! Jan JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 10:17 AM Greetings Tom and fellow worshippers of the Golden Turntable....May I please have the usual top up for me and the lads please....?Good grief!! You can't turn around to do some housework before posting and people sneak in and drop some posts.... I think that I better arrrange to have some alarm built that makes a sound as soon as someone drops a line in here.....What have I missed.....let's see....hmmmm.Da Larsman, sorry for not dropping a line before my VERY important housework.... Have a dram on me mate.DD1, thanks for the info on the DB class V 200 mate...coalminer3, doesn't it goes like bell-FOUN-tin (French).... I'll have that rather nice Laphroaig please.... It's a real shame that they never saved a Niagara....Have a nice day everybody! All the best! Jan Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 11:28 AM Tuesday Oct 09Good day Tom and all able bodied bar flies. Oktoberfest beer on me. I have come up with a little fictional contribution for today, executed with a lot of poetic license, but I hope it brings up images from your own lives. It was a cool spring morning as I walked along the right-of-way of the UP tracks. Twin ribbons of steel stretched ahead of me for miles across the Arizona desert. Suddenly a feeling of impending doom overcame me. I could feel an almost imperceptible shaking of the ground as I stopped to listen. Placing my hand on one of the rails, I could definitely feel there was a train on the rails. I was excited, knowing a long train would soon be passing by this spot. Off in the distance, there was indeed a train approaching. Although I couldn't make out what type of engine it was, a shimmering heat and vibration told me that this wasn't any ordinary engine. I couldn't tell how far away it was, but it seemed to be closing the distance at a pretty fast clip. As it approached, engulfed in huge billowing clouds of steam and an occasional puff of black smoke, I could now see this was no ordinary train. As the image grew larger, my first instinct was to get as far away from the track as possible, but a fascination of the unknown kept me frozen to this spot. The machine was now only 200 hundred feet away barreling down on me with an animal like ferocity. This was no ordinary steam engine. It was a Union Pacific 4-8-8-4, with steam belching from its stack accompanied by a cacophony of sounds. The ringing of the bell, the shrill whistle, the sound of the feed water pump, the whirling of the generator and compressor, the roar of the fire in the firebox and clanging of the gear. It was the largest machine I had ever seen., towering three stories, it seemed, above me. It was a "Frankenstein" machine created by other machines in it's own image and likeness. As it passed, the heat radiated from its massive boiler was felt and I thought if the engine were to stop right there, that I would go up in smoke. As quickly as it approached, it departed, hauling a string of twenty passenger cars. I was left there by the track shaken by the experience. I didn't have a camera with me, but even if I did, I'm sure I would have been too traumatized to take a picture. Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 11:56 AM Just a quick revisit today to thank Eric for the class D info. I'll drop in and out as I catch up with the old posts. Have a drink on me in the meantime. BTW, I'm modeling engine #101 so I won't infringe on any drawing copyright. Most of my information came from #151. Edit siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 2:11 PM G'day Gents!Just to get a leg up on the Posts . . . Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Tuesday - Oct 9th:Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:16 AM: Don't blame you a bit for taking "off" from the book covers ‘n steamers for a day or more. What's the point if there's no one around!?Can't comment on the whereabouts of Wolfman. He's usually quite considerate about these things, but this time - zero, zip, zilch from him. Probably got "snookered" by his Mrs. into doing something else - OR - never got out of that place he likes to hang out at! Understand about the Rendezvous - I'll crank you in as "info" on future Emails . . .Nice Post for the guys ‘n appreciate your taking the time to stop by with a round for the gang! Ron (DD1) at 9:23 AM & 11:28 AM & 11:56 AM: <phew> Unbelievable - Feast or Famine - Hit ‘n Miss bar ‘n grill fer sure, fer sure! When we think we're gonna get business, we don't! Great to see our Southern Gentleman from Mississippi grace the joint with his presence! <aka: New YAWK transplant!> Let me cut to the chase right away: You wrote: You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC? When the Bering Land Bridge existed, there was no China! Meaning, the humans who crossed that connection were simply on the march from the area we now call Asia. This was way, way, way before the "Age of Discovery" which is pretty much relegated to the European explorers "taking credit' for darned near everything ‘n every place on Earth!! Anyway, of course there were inhabitants in North & South America, but again, but they weren't "discovered" until the Euros decided that it was time to do so! <grin> These inhabitants of North & South America arrived by various means but not a one did so to "plant a flag in the name of . . . . " or to make claim to resources . . . convert the population to their religion or to enslave others. Nope - according to the archaeological record that I recall reading about, these humans were seeking other places to survive! Quite different from the Euro adventurers wouldn't you agree So, restricting the conversation to the period of time most of us can grasp in our mind's eye - it was indeed the men from what is now called Scandinavia who put their feet on North America way before Queen Isabella funded Christopher Columbus' voyage to find a new route to the far east. So he "bumped into" an island in the Caribbean - hmmmmmm, just a small obstacle to getting to where he thought he was going! It's amazing to me <well maybe NOT so!> how history gets distorted, contorted ‘n revised as time marches on! Well, I WASN'T around in when the Bering Land Bridge existed, much less in 1492 - but I do prefer getting my information from other than anecdotal sources, which seems to be "in" these days <daze>! <groan>A mention of ladies at the bar: We have tried <several times> to get something going with a "Ladies Night" at "Our" Place. For an assortment of reasons ranging from "no interest" to "no commitment" the idea remains in memory.Of course ladies are welcome at this bar! And of course we'd love to have a couple sign on ‘n get "into" the banter at the bar. Unfortunately, for those who have, it just kinda withered on the vine . . . . Remember the IDEA of this joint is to discuss CLASSIC Trains - everything else is secondary. HOWEVER, when it comes to events like our Rendezvous - it's strictly a "thing" for those who are active participants. Hard enough planning for the guys much less having to 'worry' about "entertaining" others who may or may not be interested in what we do. <ugh>I'm not sure WHO your comment about Canada's celebration of Thanksgiving was directed to. However, I'll take a stab at giving you an answer: No - they do not celebrate it quite the way we do. It is far less commercialized in the places I've visited ‘n people we know who are Canadians. Turkey may or may not be the main dish. Traditions vary based on the origin(s) of the families in Canada. For example, those who arrived there from the colonies in rebellion against England, most probably have more similarities with the U.S. version of the holiday than not. Those from other lands, nope. I've Posted info on this holiday several times - mainly on the Original Thread. If you're interested in more info - let me know ‘n I'll dig up the URLs (pages).OUTSTANDING work with the "fiction" piece! THANX! Have on me - make it a double if you wish! Rounds ‘n visits appreciated! CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:24 AM Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 2:52 PM Just stopped by to update progress on the 1-C-1 model. The drawing for the model is complete. The next stage is to break everything down into bite size pieces, handrails, headlight, whistle, drivers, etc, assign dimensions for 1/8 scale (1-1/2"=1'-0") and fabricate the pieces. Certain modeler's license must be taken, for example: the wood sides will be made from 1/8" Luan door skins. This would scale out to a 1" thick wall on the prototype. The finished model will measure 5' 3-3/4" long x 16-1/2" wide x 22 ¼" tall. Power will be an electric motor from a child's sidewalk car running on 12V batteries. The motor and gearing should be adequate to move the engine at a realistic scale speed. It may even have enough power to transport my grandkids (no live catenary). Hopefully I can finish this before the snows come and I will have to use the plows. Edit pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 5:24 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams and a round please RUTH. The bride was on holiday yesterday but it was a lot of work around the house, doing mods, during the weekend, and I was bit under the weather yesterday evening.RON The change in bars over here is a bit similar to what has happened in the UK, although it is still a pub culture there. The village pub along with the church was the center of a village, where it would be the same people in most nights, a lot of this has changed I think the main cause is the very steep increase in the price of beer, even when inflation is taken in to consideration. When some stop coming in it does not take very long before the others think it is not worth going as there will not be anyone to talk to. Quite a few villages in my area have lost the pub with it being converted to houses.Luckily it is still possible to go to pubs that have not been altered and with the same atmosphere they have had for years. I guess we are lucky here in Missouri that there are at least two bars that have a great feeling to them Pat's Place near me, and the TrainWreck Saloon not far from Tom.You are right about standing next to a large steam locomotive, there is nothing quite like it. It is a memory I shall never lose of going round steam locomotive sheds in the 1960s in Britain with lines of steam locomotives, many in steam on a Sunday.I think one of the main problems of getting a Big Boy or a cab- forward in steam again is the size of them hence the massive cost, the locomotives of Britain are a lot smaller, even so overalls of them are getting more expensive. Really enjoyed the story of the UP 2-8-8-4 passing, thanks for sharing.Many thanks for the Diesel Hydraulic post. As it says the Western Region of BR when with them, I think they could have lasted longer but BR wanted diesel-electrics. The second generation of Multiple Units chose hydraulic traction and are reliable.Interesting about the ‘Candle Pin' game. ERIC Ladies in the Second Class Saloon darts team. I'm sure after a few pints they will all look beautifulMany thanks for the photos of your old house what a view from the window. I only got an old moggy or a squirrel at my old house in England from the kitchen window.Many thanks for the photos taken by Hans. Those tanks below the T 43 diesel look very low to the track, do you know if they were air cylinders.In the photo of Northern Arizona does the Amtrak Southwest Chief run on that route That is a small locomotive in today's photo, is it a small switcherDo you think we ought to get an electronic counting device at the bar, like the one at Pat's Place here that count's down to St Paddy's Day, for counting down to the Rendezvous PER Thanks for the drinking song.Great photos of 3751 and it is great when a railroad sends a new locomotive to a Railroad Day.Thanks for the info on #12. It is a great idea for the museum to run the steam train, as you say, it will bring a different group to the area, even those it did not know about it may see, the steam engine, while visiting old town, have a ride and then visit the nearby museum.It would be a good idea to have a video of the cab-forwards in action next to the locomotive; it would give the youngsters an idea of what they looked like at work.Looking forward to the model photos Wednesday.Thanks for the photos of Arizona; Winslow was the first town I saw in Arizona, as it had got light by then on the Chief.LARS Many thanks for those great dome cars and the book covers from some of the lesser-known lines.It sounds as your dart training is exactly the same as mine. I'm sure you would do well at skittles, I will have to get Alan to take a photo of a table, but he is having problems with his computer at the moment.I think the bride has found out about Sonia, hence all the work for me weekend, any way the room is finished and the bride is happ EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:28 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, I am sorry but I am in a hurry so I'll just have a black cup of coffee! Keep the change. Thank you!Found some interesting reading here again! Tom – I was afraid that you had forgotten those girls! I am afraid they have already signed on for Second Class Saloon. Very disturbing indeed! I’ll tell Per about your Volvo wagon! Of course he has to come to St. Louis! Correction: I have not chosen the “wee hours” for my appearances! Those are the only hours available when all the chores are done! But who cares? As long as I am having fun it is okay!!Lars – Thank you very much for the history of #3606!!! Basically retired since 1970 but still hanging in there. Vallejo, CA. I have added the name of that town to a list of places to visit. It is located north of Oakland and is just a long day’s drive from here. Ron – I am afraid you are correct about too little support to get a Big Boy or Cab Forward under steam again. It would cost too much money. I think the only chance is that Hollywood decides to make a movie where they need a Big Boy or Cab Forward pulling a train. Thanks for the diesel-hydraulic article! Diesel-hydraulic locomotives are much more common in Europe than here. I love your fictional story! Don’t worry about any drawing copyright. The little drawing I posted was free to copy. Considering the size your model will have you'll need a lot of pictures of details. I’ll post some this weekend.I think your drawing look great! What is considered the front end (A) is the left end on your drawing.CM3 – I agree, deer and gardens don’t mix. I did not have any garden so the deer did not do any harm. Moose was kind of different story, much heavier and wasn’t that careful walking around the house, but no big deal.You are right, Class B is coal fired. JanOlov – SJ had only 4 class V1's and I have never seen any much less operated any. Basically the only thing I miss in this country is the Swedish forest! It is very special to me. You are correct about my picture, class Da (modern version of class D (Du)), T21, Z65 and Ub are the ones visible. Thanks for those nice pictures! One is from Williams, AZ, where you can catch the train to the Grand Canyon!Pete – The Ladies in the Second Class Saloon darts team look beautiful even before you have had any drinks. That is why they are so hard (impossible?) to beat!The tanks under the T43 are for diesel fuel. Yes, Amtrak’s Southwest Chief runs the route in my picture. I am not sure what picture you asking about? A small locomotive? Of course we should have an electronic device counting down the days to the 3rd Annual Rendezvous! I have a widget in my computer that is doing just that. 218 days to go!A small town, Flen, railroad station in Sweden. Photo: Hans Polanik. Eric siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:37 AM <personal foto> Wednesday's WitticismEvery jackass thinks he's got horse sense. Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir! Mid-week in mid-continent USA ‘n it appears that FALL has finally arrived! Significant downward trend in temps ‘n things are quite comfortable! Enjoy the pastries, coffee ‘n breakfasts to begin your day! Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Tuesday - Oct 9th: Ron (DD1) at 2:51 PM: You, Sir are <tweeted> for Rules Violations! Rule #1 - failure to greet the barkeep! Rule #2 - failure to order drink or food! - Rule #5 - Hit ‘n Run Post! Penalty: Clean ‘n polish the spittoons <inside ‘n out) in the Rat's Patoot Room! <ugh>Yeah I know you said you'd be "in ‘n out" BUT sufficient time elapsed from your last Post to where you shudda known better! <grin> ZAPPED! <uh oh> Pete (pwolfe) at 5:24 PM: The windows on all three versions of the Alaska RR Denali Star that we traveled aboard had SPOTLESS windows - inside ‘n out. Something NEVER experienced with Amtrak or Via Rail I should add.The trip from Anchorage to Fairbanks, about 12 hours, is a daily run during the long daylight period of spring ‘n summer. The overwhelming majority of travelers are tourists. There's little doubt that ARR wants to please the traveler ‘n hopes for their return through the manner in which they treat the paying passengers ‘n maintain their equipment. Something long lost down here, eh Figured you'd return to the bar . . . things happen ‘n of course we all have our priorities. Hope whatever had you <down> has departed the scene! Rendezvous III should be another success ‘n I'm in hopes that we'll at least get one more guy to commit . . . we had 3 in Toronto - 4 in St. Louis this past May - so 5 is the objective for 2008! Recommend you do a "search" on MULTI-REGION DVD PLAYER . . . . you just may find something to fit your requirements. Two rounds, visit ‘n inclusiveness of your Post most appreciated! Wednesday - Oct 10th: Eric (EricX2000) at 1:28 AM: Our Nocturnal Resident Desert Swede had me a bit concerned as I was "up" after mid-nite (Central) ‘n didn't see him! Surprise of surprises this AM to find that he didn't let us down! I shudda known bettAH - sorry, Mate! Enthusiasm for Rendezvous III is contagious! I LOVE that train station foto - simply a terrific shot. All that's missing are some people waiting for the trains!! Hmmmmm, perhaps a great looking gal, wrapped in something "cozy" looking ‘n just a "hint" of . . . . ENOUGH! When's the next flight to Sweden <grin>You must have some grand memories of living in the forests . . . conjures up images of places I'd dearly love to experience. We have wild life frequenting our property ‘n it's hardly the wilderness ‘round here! Far too many deer that have been run out of their habitat by the never ending development of land. Moose ‘n bears though - nope - thankfully! <grin>Always good to have your thoughts as the first to read for the new day! Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing. Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often! Cindy is our Saturday bartender! Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle! Auf Wiedersehen!Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:30 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom 'n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a splash to begin the day for me! And a round for the house, PPF for Boris after he feeds the crittAHs - and - the change is YOURS! Appears as if the bar returned to normal yesterday, especially during the morning hours! Had a flurry of activity - then slack 'til Pete found his way back - then doldrums 'til early morning 'n Eric arrived! Can't predict a thing 'round this joint! For CM3 I'm NOT Shane: You didn't disappoint as the followup info on the RF&P, W&LE 'n BAR provided all kinds of insights not otherwise known to me! Appreciate it . . . Good name for a movie!! I think the umps blew it in that "bugs game" in Cleveland the other night. The game shudda been stopped until the situation abated. They simply blew it. Apparently MLB doesn't seem to think that flinging baseballs around at 90 plus mph could possible cause injury to the distracted. Terrible, simply terrible for everyone on the field during that invasion. Heard the bugs are called "Canadian Soldiers"!! How about that, Fergie!?!?!? <grin> For Eric: I've been to Valejo, but not for anything to do with trains. WondAH if there's anything worth seeing, aside from the "remnants" of an old passenger car Anyway, glad you liked the "blurb" . . . For Pete: I do recall playing <or trying to!> a board game in England many, many years ago. We were in port for a few days 'n one of the local guys led us astray! Wound up in a pub or three, 'n there was this table with padded sides <???> with guys throwing some weirdly shaped thing at what looked like miniature pins <bowling> . . . anyway, AFTER getting thoroughly trounced at DARTS, I tried my luck with this game - but the only thing good about it was the fact that the more I drank, the bettAH I got! <grin>Good to see that you're back - but you've got to come up with bettAH excuses! The sun - really!?!?! Nah - too much <ahem> "activity", huh For Jan: Nice selection of steamers! Yeah, this "thing" about the discovery of America has been going on for as long <and longer> than I can remember. Thought the Bossman's explanation to Ron said it all! I don't have any hang-ups giving Chris some credit for being an explorer 'n adventurer, but we need to say he "discovered" an island in the Caribbean! For Ron: Nice story! BettAH watch out for the <tweeter>!! You're flirting with disaster when it comes to hit 'n run posts! Da Bossman is ALWAYS on the alert for this! Just sends him into orbit - we've had to "unscrew" him from the overhead more than once!! I think that pretty much covers the "lot"!! Have one on me, boyz! Boris, ring the bell! So, it's WEDNESDAY once again at the Watering Hole by the Wayside - that means it's also the Optional Toy & Model Trains Day! <smoke 'em if you got 'em!> So, here's another set of EURO trains for those who appreciate such things! Roco, based in Salzburg, Austria, is a manufacturer of model railway equipment, The company was founded in 1960 by Ing. Heinz Rössler and started with a plastic 'minitank' series. After export to the USA became successful, the model line was expanded with model trains in H0 scale and the smaller N scale.On July 15, 2005 ROCO Modellspielwaren GmbH was declared bankrupt. From July 25 the company continues as Modelleisenbahn GmbH. from: http://www.wikipedia.com/Roco - Switzerland - (DC) 63321 - Steam engine C5/6 of the SBB Trix was a German company that originally made metal construction sets. In 1935 it began producing the electric coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Breakfast Blend); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.Let's see what's happening today.Jan stopped by with pictures and other comments. Enlarge the picture of the ATSF helper and check out the cars; large o/b cars and 40' ones. Again, something to date the picture. Jan wind s the Bellefontaine contest - enjoy your prize, sir!DD1 Sent an excellent post. There is a lot to be said for not having a camera as it forces one to concentrate. Please keep us posted on the 1-C-1 model.Pete - Candlepins is largely a NE U.S. phenomenon. I recall playing lots of candlepins when I lived in that part of the world. There was also a locally produced TV show called "Candlepins for Cash" that ran on TV in Boston for years; great commercials, believe me! BTW, a near miss on Bellefontaine - nice try!!Eric - thanks for the information on the locomotive. Incidentally, think moose and you think Bangor and Aroostook or Maine Central. Yrs back a fellow by the name of Marshall Dodge (some may remember him) produced a record of Maine-based humor titled "Bert and I." Truly good stuff. One of my favorite cuts on the album involved a fellow who won a radio contest. The prize was a trip to New York. He, of course, traveled by train (Maine Central) and encountered various misadventures along the way; one of which involved the locomotive (steam) hitting a moose. This was done with full sound effects. Anyway, the moose made out better than the locomotive which in some cases is not too far from the truth. The Flen station is beautiful - not a piece of trash or paper in sight. Is the overhead cantilever? No, Boris, I can't even say, "Cantilever catenary," let alone use it in a sentence. Lars stopped in with sports commentary, other observations, and some fine looking model locomotives. Good to hear from you! was looking at the New York papers yesterday and it seems as though the Yankees are in their usual dysfunctional state (breaks my heart)! Go, Giants!OSP exercising his bar owner's right, provided historical commentary. Sounds like you have been reading the book I suggested awhile back. Oh, almost forgot, I'm well into the book relay item; work cuts into leisure time, etc. IIRC, baseballs schedules usually come out in November - this year the "World's Serious," (what my neighbor calls the Fall Classic) will probably be going on. Game on, indeed! A buddy has tickets to see Washington and Vancouver play in about two weeks in D.C. Work safe JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:02 AM and several other powerful and not very printfriendly expressions......Here we go again..... Take two! Aaaaand ACTION!!Greetings Tom and fellow classic trains worshippers....First of all, you have to excuse my rather uncivilized, barbaric and savage outburst here people.... But all these cannot find server......error etc. on this website is doing me head in. Here I had made some comments to you lads and what happened when I pressed the POST button? Yep, you're right on brothers.....DD1, I really look forward to your finished model mate.....pwolfe, I've yet to have the pleasure to hear the sound of a Deltic diesel...EricX2000, that is one thing that I miss as well mate. Driving for hours and see nothing but trees. You see, my dad loves to drive those narrow dirt roads....You don't by any chance have any pics to share from Malmbanan?Tom, have a dram on me mate!Da Larsman, I wonder how they're gonna explain away those Viking settlements that they've found up there.... Nice pics mate, as always. coalminer3, I won!? Yaaaayyyyy!!! Twist.....turn.....skip.....moonwalk and sliiiide....YEAH! Here's to your health, wealth and happiness gentlemen.....Cheers!Just a wee question fellas....how many of you have had the chance to cook lunch in the firebox of a steam locomotive? I've done it a "few" times, eggs, bacon, burgers, sausages.....etc. You can't beat a good properly cooked steam locomotive steak....Have a really nice day and take care,See you around the corner.....Hmmmm.....let's see...right click and copy and.....POST! All the best! Jan JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:54 PM Greeting young Master Tom and fellow dignitaries.....May I trouble you for a refill please? Extra cold Guinness for me, top up with cigars for lads....thank you kindly. Here something for yourself. $$$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....I know that it's OPTIONAL TOY & MODEL TRAINS DAY! today, but I just thought that I'd try to get some yapping going here to live things up here, not that it's really necessary to do that. OK!!! WHO through that wet rag !? *dries himself* Anyhoo, we all know that N&W.....Reading.....PRR....and Milwaukee Road.........all had the knowledge, engineers, workforce and facilities to build their own locomotives and for Milwaukee Road thousands of freight and passenger cars.How did their design departments, engineers, shop workers, facilities etc compare to each other? Who had that little edge above the others in machinery and quality of work and maintenance? Also, which other railroads were in the same seat that could build their own locomotives? Did they ever have a sneak peak over the competitions work and thinking....hey, I can improve on that design....Have a nice day and take care....See you around the corner....Credit: northeastrailfan and toltecimages..... All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:42 PM Now Arriving on Track #1A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers! Number Two Caveat: Use of the images presented is made under the provisions of Public Domain. There is no intent to profit or otherwise benefit from the display of these images except for personal pleasure. (1) RR Magazine - 1952 - Destination Pittsburgh (2) RR Magazine - 1945 - The Mighty Railway (3) RR Magazine - 1950 - Through the Night (4) RR Magazine - 1943 - Working on the Railroad (5) RR Magazine - 1952 - Sea Isle Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:00 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams please RUTH.ERIC I don't know what tactics we can use to beat the Second Class Saloon ladies, I guess our only hope is that H&H get jealous.The photo I was asking was the one you posted yesterday morning of Hallsberg Sweden in 1975.There are some good locomotives in the photo, I was wondering about the red and black one nearest the camera, it could by a loco used for track work.It will be surprising how fast the Rendezvous will be here.Thanks for the photo of that great station at Flen.LARS The game you played sounds very much a version of table skittles, I must admit I played better with a good intake of beer, I think it is a vital part of the game, I had to make sure I had a pint to sup between throws. Then after the game proper there was the ‘Beer Horse" where both teams went in turn added up their scores and best out of three with the losers buying a pint for the opponents.I felt like I had had too much ‘Activity' but without the pleasure. Many thanks for those photos and info on the very well detailed Swiss and German models from Roco, Fleischmann, Marklin and Trix. I noticed that rather unusual 5 axle tender on the German 05 locomotiveCM3 It would interesting to know where the Candle Pins originally came from, do you think ten-pin bowling came from it.Talking of moose damaging trains, I recall reading a while ago that a diesel locomotive in Bangladesh ran into a baby elephant, the mother elephant saw what happened and attacked the loco wrecking it.JAN Sorry you are having problems with the computer, last couple of days I have had to start again to get a wireless connection, it says ‘no connection, then I have to switch it off then on again and it seems OK.I think there may be a preserved Deltic on the main line again soon so it should be possible to hear one again. The Deltics are allowed on the West Highland Line they must sound great on the grades there.Many thanks for the photos, that is a great subject to debate as to the comparisons of the different locomotive builders owned by the railroad. It will be good to hear if any of the top designers of one company were poached by another. In the UK there was a great rivalry between Derby and Crewe Works of the LMS and of course the Great Western's Swindon Works and everybody else. TOM It is good to get some cooler weather here, I am ready for it. As you say the windows on the Denali Star will make people want to return, along with the service on the train, really if a train contains a dome or a sightseer lounge the windows ought to be kept clean. It was very noticeable even the freight locomotives on Alaska rail were in immaculate condition, which to me shows a pride in the railroad. We were lucky on the Chief as the windows were quite good and I think the VIA dome we had was in good condition. I wonder in the old days if they would clean the car's windows while the train was stopped at a station en-route. I guess we will never get a really clean window between St Louis and Kansas City as the I suppose the train would last have the windows cleaned in Chicago, it would interesting to know how often the cars are cleaned.I will have a look at that DVD player thanks. Many thanks for those great Railroad Magazine covers. I wonder when it finished being published whether it just stopped coming out or it was taken over and amalgamated into another magazine. I'm looking forward to have a read of some at the Library at The Rendezvous..Luckily the bride has some photos of the great model railway in San Diego, especially after my feeble effort, enough for a couple of weeks Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:03 PM Hi Tom and all,The usual round of TUI`s for the crew please Leon.Ron. Happy Birthday mate, HAPPY BIRTHDAY , have a good ONE. I do most of my drinking in the NZ Ex-servicemens club, very similar to your American Legion set up, we are not allowed to discuss politics or religion on the club premises so we have a very friendly atmosphere.Tom. Enjoyed all your interesting posts and pics, great covers and great pics of your Alaska trip. We did`nt feel that shake last week, it was centered in the South Island, we do get quite a few shake`s here in Hawke`s Bay, Napier the port city 40 miles north of us was flattened by a 7.8 quake in 1931, it was totally rebuilt in Art Deco style. their is an interesting site at; http://www.artdeconapier.com/Hope you get some of those NZ mussel`s, Ron says he finds them at Chinese restuarants where he lives.Pete. Still enjoying all the info and pics on your trip, great shots of the model railway at San Diego and all the other pics as well. Bobby and Jackie Charlton were born in Ashington, reputed to be the biggest "Pit" village in the world, George Stephenson was born in Wylam on the River Tyne, he worked at Killingworth mine for a while which is quite close to Ashington.Per. Great pics of 3751, SF Northerns are my favourite steam loco, after the LNER A4 of course!Eric. Great pic of the 2nd Class Saloon, hope some of the Harvey Girls frequent the place! Also great shots of your old home and garden, looks very much like some parts of NZ by the look of them. were you allowed to hunt the deer there? Deer hunting is BIG business over here, venison can be a lot cheaper than beef, venison sausage`s are a great favourite of mine!Lars. Really enjoying all your book covers and steam pic posts, and the model loco`s as well!Jan. Great steam loco pics as usual mate, keep them coming, I used to travel behind the East Coast line "Deltics" on the Tees/Tyne Pullman and the "Flying Scotsman" in the 60`s, they were very powerful machines, 3000hp, and cruised at 100mph plus!CM3. Very interesting info on your posts mate.Fergie. Nice to see you on board again.See ya, Allan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:44 PM G'day Gents!From the Birthday Watch List 2007!October 9th (Ron - 73)BOILED PEANUTS (Sept 24 - Oct 23) You have a passionate desire to help your fellow man. Unfortunately, those who know you best, your friends and loved ones, may find that your personality is much too salty, and their criticism will affect you deeply because you are really much softer than you appear. You should go right ahead and marry anybody you want to because in a certain way, yours is a charmed life. On the road of life, you can be sure that people will always pull over and stop for you. BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO RON! Looks like the B'day Watch List "system" broke down - so in view of your recent <tweeting> 'n punishment - consider it forgiven! I WILL CLEAN THE SPITTOONS (inside 'n out) <yuck> Thanx to Allan (Gunneral) for NOT fogetting! Drinks on me in honor of Ron - and - Allan! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo marthastrainyard Member sinceMarch 2006 From: Orange County, CA 98 posts Posted by marthastrainyard on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:59 PM Good Evening everybody present, and Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Ayinger tonight, please. I hope you saved some of those PPF, Boris because they were all out of them today. Let’s try another Oktoberfest drinking song: O du lieber Augustin, Augustin, Augustin, o du lieber Augustin, alles ist hin. Geld ist weg, Mäd'l ist weg, alles weg, alles weg. O du lieber Augustin, alles ist hin. Now that sounds much better. A lot of patrons tonight! Today was the first cool day in Dallas in a very long time. Only 68 this morning and a high of around 86. Sunny and very dry air; it’s getting to be livable here for a little while. The price of petrol is steady at $2.619 Tom, Thank you once again for the translation. I’ll keep feeding German drinking songs during the week, then I’m afraid I will run out of them. I’m counting the days to the Rendezvous, but there are a few “obstacles” that must be overcome before I can commit to participate. I saw in the pictures from this year’s Rendezvous that you have a Volvo so that is duly noted. I think the next flight to Sweden just left, but there should be another one tomorrow! You dug up a couple of magazines that I have never heard of. Was that a trade journal rather than a “hobby” magazine, like Trains is today? You sowed some very colorful and nice covers. What kind of content did that magazine have? Eric, Yes, that diesel with my son was that year’s (2002) new engine on display in Fullerton. Amtrak comes with a bus every year, but in 2002 they had that special entertainment car that was used in Coast Starlight as well. No car this year, though (although a few private cars were open for visitors). Fullerton has become a parking spot for private cars. I guess the private tracks at LAUPT filled up. There were a couple of comments on the engines in your Hallsberg picture, but do you know the background of the gray MOW passenger car on the left side? I think I saw a V1 in Helsingborg back in the 50’s or early 60’s. They do look a lot like the V3. That station in Flen is a real gem! Looking at the map, it looks like you can do both Vallejo and Rocklin on the same day! Jan Olov, I’m glad you liked the pics. Frankly, I don’t remember how much of the corner building has the mural on it, but it is at least two large windows wide. Apparently the whole block is a dedication to the song nowadays. I am planning to stop in Winslow on my way back to California, if for no other reason to spend a night in the old Harvey hotel there. Great pictures! The ATSF helper across Tehachapi is great; outside braced box cars, an all. Seeing an engine in the middle of the train like that, I’m beginning to see the reason for those extra braces on the cars. Change ISP! That’s all I can say. I had the same problem as you with my old ISP but all of that has gone away now (knock on wood). Just keep saving that work as you type along and then post it all in one fell swoop. That’ll do it. I have no clue as to who built the best engines, but the MILW 4-8-4 would win the beauty contest if I was the judge! Lars (Lovedomes), It turned out that Tuesday was “Leif Ericsson” day in Sweden, according to my wife who found a note in her Swedish calendar. I’m NOT holding my breath that that day will be celebrated, or even recognized, here. It’s like President Hansson, he did a few things, but none of them are recognized (although he got a US postage stamp a few years back). I was around for a little bit during the old thread days. I agree there were much more activity back then, but hey, quality over quantity, right? That commercial center in Rocklin, CA sounds a little bit like what they have in Barstow, but the Barstow line-up is not as ambitious as that in Rocklin. Barstow has, I think, two cars that are used as a fast food restaurant inside a tourist trap souvenir complex. Thank you for the company background of the German MR manufacturers. It’s fun to read up a little bit about history and background of the companies you hear about. I’m amazed by the proportions of the class 05 engine. The drivers have just about the same diameter as the boiler! Happy Belated Birthday, Ron And have another boiled peanut on me! Yes, the Big Boy must have been an experience! The largest engines I’ve seen, heard, and felt the presence of are the UP Challenger and the 8444 and also SP 4449. The Santa Fe 3751 in Fullerton was under steam but it didn’t move while I was there. I saw the SP and the UP race towards Cajon Pass after the LAUPT anniversary some 15 years ago. That was also a sight to remember! It makes sense that the Big Boy would have come from Cheyenne because that’s where UP keeps their on the roster steam engines. Part of the enormous steam facility is kept just for these engines. There was an article about that facility in the “Streamliner” magazine a while back. I’m glad Eric promised you some close-up pictures of the D engine. You made a wonderful drawing, but considering the scale you are going to built it in, you need some detail shots of a few things on that machine. FIVE feet long! Wow! I have always wondered if it is easier to build a model in a large scale than in a small. At first thought it ought to be, but then I think of all those extra details that need to go on the model and I’m Home of the Ambroid history page and the up-and-coming City Of Los Angeles from 1950 http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/ My pictures are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/8514678@N08/ EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:43 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, I'll have a double cheese burger with curly fries! Rootbeer, Thank you.A Very belated Happy Birthday Ron!!! I completely missed it! Shame on me. Free drinks on me the rest of the week!!! Hope you had a very nice day. Tom – Never experienced spotless windows with Amtrak? I am happy to say I have with the X2000. It happened a few times that they actually hand washed the entire train set in Washington D.C.!!! Including all windows! But usually it was washed in the regular “train” wash at Ivy City. I am afraid I don’t have the departure times for flights to Sweden from St. Louis. In worst case you can take the train to Chicago. Flights for Scandinavia usually leave in the late afternoon. You are right, I loved living in the forest! All the birds singing in the spring. Most evenings when I came home from work I made myself a cup of coffee, sat down on the back porch, and drank while feeling completely relaxed! Interesting magazine covers! I guess they thought it would be too expensive to have photographs on the cover. Cover #4 is from “my” year!Lars – There are more than one railroad car in Vallejo! I’ve been through there myself, but don’t remember I saw any dome cars or anything like that. Nice model pictures! I have to figure out a solution how to make room for my display! CM3 – A moose can cause a lot of damage to a locomotive/train. Usually it causes an emergency brake application, which in turn many times causes flat spots on a number of wheels. In rare cases there might be much worse damage. I have hit a number of moose with trains over the years but have been lucky with only minor damage. I was the first one to hit a moose with the X2000! Yes, it is cantilever overhead in most places in Sweden, including Flen.JanOlov – I have a few pictures from Malmbanan that I took when we run the “winter”-tests with the X2000 there in February 1990. But they do not show any nice mountain views, just a lot of snow. Quite a few good questions about steam engines built by the railroads. I am afraid I am totally out of time for any research this week. Maybe you will get some answers by other guests!Very nice pictures of those steam locomotives!Pete – If you need a DVD-player that can play any DVD, NTSC and/or PAL you will find one on this link. Just $69!! http://www.220-electronics.com/google.htmThe little red and blue locomotive is a Class Z65. It is a very small and mainly used for light switching.Thanks for the pictures from the San Diego Model Railraod Association! Very nice display. I remember those high trestles! I am sure I have them on pictures as well. Have to find them!Allan – I don’t know about the Harvey Girls and the Second Class Saloon, but the Swedish Bikini Team spend a lot of time there! I could hunt deer if I wanted to, but I like them better alive so I didn’t. Deer and, especially, moose hunting is a big thing in Sweden. I never heard of venison sausage though. Per – I am afraid I don’t know anything about the MOW car. Give me the weekend and I’ll see if I can find out what it used to be. What is going on in Fullerton every year? Vallejo and Rocklin the same day is very possible. Maybe next year when I have so much more time for myself! I don’t remember exactly how many railroad cars they have in barstow for McDonald’s and some opther businesses. I haven’t been there for several years. Nice pictures of a very nice locomotive!!. But how could you just let it pass Wylie? You should have stopped it there. Another thing I know that you know is that Tom is driving a very nice Volvo Wagon of late model. You will get a free ride in it (right Tom?) when you show up in St. Louis next May! Here is a pictureof that nice Volvo during the 2nd Annual Rendezvous in May this year! Come and try it! Eric siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:37 AM <personal foto>Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!Put away the shorts ‘n break out the long sleeved sweatshirts, Fall has arrived! Best time of the year in my-not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN! Heading out this morning for a breakfast with a friend, but y'all can surely partake in the bill o' fare offered at "Our" Place! Freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery - along with <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from our Menu Board! Petrol is at $2.50 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner" . . . Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Wednesday - Oct 10th: Lars (LoveDomes) at 8:30 AM: We also got a kick out of the reference to "Canadian Soldiers" made during that playoff game in Cleveland. Apparently those flying-ant-like insects spawned due to the unusually warm ‘n moist conditions with a life-span of about a day or so. Couldn't have happened at a more inopportune time - for the Yankees that is! <grin>Can't help you with whatever game you were trying to play while in Merry Olde - but I'll tell ya this - DARTS in Canada (particularly St. Johns, Newfoundland) used to be MY strong suit. Made some money ‘n hardly ever had to buy the beer. Ahhhh, those were the daze! I wouldn't know a SKITTLE from a SKILLET!! <uh oh>Many thanx for the continuing interest in keeping our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! going on Wednesdays. Enjoyed the 2nd round of Euro model trains. Trix loco is "interesting"! Marklin ‘n Fleischmann German models are sure BEASTS! Rounds ‘n visit appreciated! CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:43 AM: Actually "that" book is still on the shelf, awaiting its turn! I'm sooooooo backed up on my reading that it's pathetic - simply pathetic. My bad! I've got Boris tuned in' to the MLB web site for the 2008 hardball sked! <uh oh>About a zillion years ago I recall taking in a hockey game in DC . . . crowd kinda reminded me of LA in that there were just as many cheering for the opposition as for the home team. Transients ALL! Sounds like a fun time coming up for you ‘n your friend! Hate to think of the poor Moose - but they are tough critters ‘n I've seen what happens to cars when Moose-encounters occur . . . <grim>Used to have a Candlepin league in Staten Island when I was a kid . . . I never engaged in it, but I recall it being around. Ahhhh, the good ole daze - setting pins at 25 cents a lane. Yeah buddy - big money! Round ‘n Herr Wurlitzer quarters most appreciated! Jan (JanOlov) at 11:02 AM & 1:54 PM: Forum Gremlins THRIVE on devouring Posts <chomp> <chomp> <burp> Happens! You posed some interesting thoughts regarding the steamers (nice Pix by the by!!) - anyway, I hope the guys pick up on your offering for discussion! A mighty looking N&W loco! Appreciate the visits, rounds ‘n cash! Pete (pwolfe) at 5 PM: Was hoping to see more model trains fotos from SDiego ‘n you didn't disappoint! I haven't been to that museum since 1988 ‘n recall your mentioning that one must pay to enter. Don't recall that at all! I DO remember one huge N scale layout ‘n I mean huge! Your Pix bring back some memories in that the N scale was totally desert southwest . . . was this also N scale??? Nice stuff! If those dome windows in the VIA Rail Chaleur Skyline Dome Car were to be put next to the dome glass of the Alaska RR UltraDome car you'd quickly notice the difference. You'd think the VIA Rail glass needed replacement - there's THAT much of a difference!On one of our round trips across Canada (late spring) we had the train glass thoroughly scrubbed at our refueling stop in Jasper, Alberta. The next time we made the trip (winter) the temps were far too cold for that sort of thing . . . So, it does still happen in some places. Never, ever experienced such a thing with Amtrak - it's kinda "take what we give you." Dirty windows. I've tried to find out what happened to the Railroad Magazine - however it's one of those most difficult combination of words to employ with a search engine. Even using the "advanced search" feature keeps going "circular." Gave up on it . . . I do know the magazine is no longer in print . . . Originally was called the Railroad Man's Magazine.Thanx for the visit ‘n round! < Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:48 AM Greetings Tom and fellow members of House of Lords.....Could I trouble you for an extra cold Guinness, top up with cigars for the lads please? Here's something for yourself....$$$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....RONTom, I really like the covers of RAILROAD Magazine . I've seen them on ebay, still do. Would you mind tell me what kind of magazine it is, beside that it's a railroad one. Is it somekind of business magazine or more like todays TRAINS? Is it a good one, I've been thinking from time to time to buy one just of curiousity.....pwolfe, I don't really that much problems with my computer. I've more problems getting to this forum to be honest. Hopefully it'll be a while before we get another ERROR message here and have to wait to log in.... This forum "our place" has become an addiction to me....That must be an awesome layout... As I've mentioned before, a couple of my closest friends want me to move home again so we can build a layout together. It would have flatlands of the midwest for Erie-Lackawanna which my friend Michael obsessed with, Rio Grande for my other friend Lennart and Milwaukee Road for me, which means plenty of mountain railroading . Of course we'll have our other companies as well.... Gunneral, it looks like I have to Google these Deltic diesels to see what the big deal is with them Do they sound just as good as the old and trusty GP and SD-7/9 or Alco's? riding the Tees/Tyne Pullman and the "Flying Scotsman" in the '60s, eh? What was that like? The service back then must have quite the contrast to todays, well......service?marthastrainyard, I've had more problems getting to this forum than problems with my computer . But it doesn't hurt to keep your eyes open for other good deals, right? Great pics as always mate and I'm always looking forward to see more from you....EricX2000, I remember winters up north *shiver*, not just a tad bit cold but also snow up to your nose. My dad used to rent Banvaktstugan i Storlien every now and then, one year he had to dig a tunnel to get to the front door, it was snow almost up to the top of the roof..... I loved that place when NSB was still running those great Di-3's there....what a sound with them on their way up the hill.... Since one of our members here have a slight obsession towards Alco's and their PA's etc, I thought that I'd post this photo as a daily "fix" to ease their addiction.....Photographer: Unknown.....Credit: Northeastrailfan.Have nice day and take care fellas....and see you around the corner. All the best! Jan coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:47 AM Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please (something form the pastry case as it's a cool day here this a.m.); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.85 and we have had a forty degree temperature drop over a day and a half. K9 Korps loves it. Here goes in no special order.Happy Birthday to DD1 - and many more!Jan stopped by - You may want to check out the Illinois Central as they are another road that built quite a bit of their own power and also r/b a lot as well. The L&N is another road you may want to add to your list to look at as well. I enjoyed the picture of the pair of SP PAs with the E7B in the middle. Pete stopped by. Thanks for the pictures. Tehachapi is one place I have never visited - it's on the list, though. Allan visited as well- Good to hear from you!Per had a freight car question. The red/white/blue scheme was for "State of Maine Products" - not "Potatoes." Manufacturer's license (snargh!) In real life, both the BAR and the New Haven had cars in that scheme. They were all over the place when I was a pup. Models of both have been produced over the years in all scales. I have them in O, HO and N; the latest version is by Atlas in N scale (both roads, too. One of Mmy HO cars (New Haven version) sits on one of the bookcases in my office. It was made mannnny yrs ago by an outfit called New England Models - one of the best versions I have ever seen because the lettering is so hard to do. White on blue on the top third of the car side, blue on white in the middle and white on red in the middle. IIRC, the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic has some of these cars in service lettered for the MMA. Eric - I ask and I learn. Thanks for the catenary information. I figured there had to be a moose story in there somewhere (lol). OSP sent some pictures which raised a lot of questions among the barflies (excuse me, illustrious patrons), which I bunched together and try answer below. The 1950 cover reminded me of some of Otto Kuhler's material. Day's life span? Dare I say, sort of like the NYY pitching staff? Hmmm. The CB&Q used to clean domes at Denver on through trains - they had a car washer at the station, a mobile one, IIRC. Boris, we must drag out the flame safety lamp and see what's in the Zephyr section of the files.All right, let's take a look at Railroad Magazine.Back in the day, people used to read and there were a lot of magazines that provided steady employment to writers. There are all sorts of period pictures of newstands which will give you an idea of the range of titles available.Railroad Man's Magazine was one of these. Google Railroad Man's Magazine and you can find out more about the publication's history. It was a typical "pulp" magazine of the periods with a variety of stories (real and fictional). Authors such as Harry Bedwell used to write for it. It was never like Trains, as it began in a different era and was aimed at a different readership. In time it became known as Railroad Magazine. I subscribed to it for more than few years because it was about the only place where you could find locomotive roster information. They also had a photo exchange feature and I recall some of my ancient railroad friends talking about swapping (get this) postcard format negatives of locomotive pictures; again, another subset for further study. No, Boris, it wasn't H.W. Pontin and the Rail Photo Service. That's another story for another time.Freeman Hubbard was the man behind the curtain at the magazine. He was truly a piece of work, and anyone who remembers him, as I do, will tell you that he marched to his own drummer. Hubbard was the author of several classic railroad titles including Railroad Avenue, and the Railroad Caboose. These are still worth reading. Later on, Railroad got picked up and folded into Railfan. Thus the title Railfan and Railroad. I can't remember which issue(s) were involved, but Railroad History had a series about railroad fiction and about Hubbard which will give you a lot more background. Hope this helps a little. Work safe LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:00 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a splash ‘n that should be it for awhile . . . treats for the crittAHs Boris, then the PPF is for YOU! Ah yes, keep the change my lovely! <blush> Happy Birthday BELATEDLY to RON You really are OLD, huh First off need to mention the fine background provided by CM3 I'm NOT Shane! regarding the Railroad Magazine! Nicely done Shane ‘n something many of us have been curious about. You were "right on" with the comments about how people USED to read! Yeah, I remember . . . Of course I recall those red-white ‘n blue paint schemes for the State of Maine box cars. Came about at a time when the majority of passing freights were in "box car red" or something similarly "exciting" to watch. Colors weren't quite "in" yet . . . but there were so many railroad names! Still paying three bucks for a gallon of "gold" at our favorite Gulf station . . . Really overcast ‘round here with thunder boomers expected. Gotta get the Mrs. to stand near the "rabbit ears"!! <grin>Oh yeah candle pins were common round here some years back. Not sure that it still is - been "forever" since I've been bowling. Another great "sport" to enjoy a "few" at! For Eric: Yeah, I know Vallejo has more than one railroad car - but the point was I didn't go there to look at trains. Totally different reason. Maybe one day I'll get back up there . . . but I'm seriously hope NOT to evAH return to the left coast! <arrrrrggggghhhhh. Just call it "burned out" after all these years . . .Nice photo of Da Boyz! For Pete: Finally some more photos from Balboa Park in San Diego! Been quite some time since I was there, but the model railroad building is one worth visiting, for sure! Tell us more about those models in the pix!!That bridge is something else - looks like a well place two-incher <firecracker> would just about "do it"! For Per: In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson designated October 9th as "Leif Ericsson Day" in the U.S. in recognition of Leif's arrival in North America around the year 1000 AD. Don't know WHY I didn't mention it! <arrrrggghhhh> Something about the NINTH - B'day for Ron - and - Leif Ericsson's Day! Thanks for the reminder on the latter! In reading your post I think you may have my commentary mixed with someone else's. BUT, no problem, we "roll with it" here at the Watering Hole by the Wayside! <grin>Some great model RR shots! I'd like to see an "aerial view" of that layout one day . . .Another great effort from you ‘n if you keep it up, YOU'LL be setting the example for the rest of us. <arrrrrgggghhhhh> I have trouble as it is doing my dailies! <grin>For Allan: Really top shelf of you to pick up on Ron's B'day! Have one on me, mate! Also glad that things are ok where you are with reference to the earthquake of a week or so ago. For Jan: Fine looking steamers ‘n thought provoking questions. We have more than a couple of guys who will address those points. I think that "back in the day" with the competition between the railroads being so active (especially the passenger roads) that many a board room tried to come up with new ‘n innovate ways to "top" the other guy. Surely that was why the "shrouds" came into being for the steam locos. But as I said, I'll yield to the guys who know much more about this than I.Hey Bossman! Loved the covers for the Railroad Magazine ‘n like the fact that some dialogue came out of it too. Kinda brings us back to the way things used to be ‘round here, huh Also, don't be too hard on yourself about missing a B'day . . . after all, the other guys had the info ‘n cudda jumped on it <as Allan did>. So it's nothing you should feel responsible about. Have one on me! DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:03 AM Hello Tom and all in Pint of Batham's mild please. Again my apols for a very quick visit (Happy Birthday Ron!) - only managed to do a quick picture scan - which I've enjoyed.Real reason was to drop a note in for Pete - Pete - glad you enjoyed the BTF films - rather good of the British Film Institute to pick up the tab for remastering the film stock - as you may know they have released 6 vols of double DVDs of BTF films so far in UK - with another 2 vols in the planning I beleive!Anyway - I see from my claendar of Rob Foxon screened vintage rail films that he is due to screen films at the Benn Hall in Rugby on I think 17th October in the eve (19.30 hrs?) - if I'm right in thinking you still have Rugby based mates you might want to pass that info on to them if they do not already know - the film screenings always include some BTF stuff and other vintage film of top quality - often amateur stuff. I'm going to see the screening in Newark on 18th - title LMS film Unit - which includes much film of Royal Scot tour of the USA in the 1930s plus film inside the LMS works in the 30s and no doubt other great stuff.Regards to allDL siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:02 PM G'day Gents!Time again for a Blast from the Past! Something from the archives of the "Our" Place Nostalgia Passenger Trains of days long gone . . . . PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #59 Here's something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection: <A form of this was initially Poted on Page 222 of the Original Thread on 17 Jan 2006> Easy Does It . . . when the family goes New York Central Easy on Dad! No traffic to tire him. No white line to watch. When New York Central does the driving, he's free to read, nap, or enjoy the wonderful Water Level Route scenery that parades past his big picture window. Easy on Mother, because her mind's at ease about the youngsters. Not back-seat fidgets. No frequent roadside stops. Everything the children need is right at hand. And they couldn't be safer at home! Easy on the Kids! They don't have to stay put in their seats. There's plenty of room to move about. And there's the extra thrill of those famous New York Central meals in the diner, with their own, thrifty Children's Menu to choose from. Easy on the Budget! Round-trip coach fares are low. And special Family Tickets cut them so much as 50% or even more. Ask your New York Central ticket agent all about them. NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROADThe Water Level Route * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The eastbound 20th Century Limited near Breakneck Mountain, New York (Courtesy of artist: Gilbert Bennett - www.xmission.com) Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:07 PM Hi Tom and all.A round please RUTH to celebrate RON's Time. I think I have put the wrong description down for yesterday's photos. The layout was the HO gauge, San Diego & Arizona Eastern. It is the Goat Canyon Trestle over the Carriso Gorge. Sorry about that folks.ALLAN Thanks for the info on the Charltons, it must have been the Killingworth connection I was thinking of.The Deltics were a worthy successor to the East Coast top link locomotives; they had to be special to take over from the A4s. There is a rumour about, that during the Deltic's last days a very fast speed was obtained by one on the Hull Executive train, they are probably waiting for those involved in it to retire before it comes out. Thanks for the link to Napier.At your club I bet Rugby is a taboo subject at the minute. I guess they would be pleased England beat the Aussies but would be shocked with the French winning over the All Blacks. The Quarter Final draw seemed mighty one sided to me with the New Zealand group being very tough. England V France Saturday. I must admit I would rather we would lose by 100 points to NZ than by 1 point to the French. It was on BBC America showing the New Zealand team arriving home, it was good to see the fans give the team a good welcome back, Rugby fans are great. PER I doubt very much it would have been a Deltic through Maidenhead as they worked the East Coast route from London To Edinburgh, although in their last days they did work railfan specials to other places, and in preservation days they have reached places they never got too in BR days, in fact I don't think we had a production Deltic through my home town of Rugby until preservation days. For a few summers a Deltic worked a train from Birmingham to Ramsgate and back on summer Saturdays for Virgin Trains, I think the train had more railfans on it than holidaymakers.If you could tell me the year you was in Maidenhead I should be able to tell you what diesel classes were running through there at the time.The Deltic you probably saw was the prototype that was in the Science Museum in London, now at a museum in Shildon in the North East of England. It is painted a light blue and is very American F class looking, although it has a cab each end, there is a place for a headlight which was never used on BR. It was built in 1955 by the English Electric Company,and was first tested on the West Coast route. I can remember seeing her at Rugby, then she was used on the East Coast route, which resulted in the order of 22 prototype locos introduced in 1961. BR never owned the original. A friend, who was a signalman, told me that one day he was at Newbold signalbox when he got the 'train entering section' code for The Red Rose London to Liverpool express, next thing he knew the blue Deltic was passing his box. He rang the signal man who had sent the train entering section code and said he had given him a short section, meaning he had sent the Code late, but he hadn't. It was just that the Deltic had such great acceleration compared to the steam and the very few other diesels that were running at the time. I dare say if the West Coast had not gone in for Electrification we may have had Deltics.Many thanks for the great photos. 4361 looks great on the trestle.ERIC Many thanks for the link to the DVD players; it looks very much like I shall have to invest in one.It is great to see the Rendezvous pic again, it must be a rare photo of me as there is no black bag, it was probably drying out.Thanks for the info on the Z65 are any still in use still, I guess some have been preservedJAN Yes Our Place is quite addictive.Many thanks for that great photo, of the SP Alcos http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A11815175I have found this link which gives great info on the developement of the Deltic engine, I did not know.Bit later on when it mentions nameplates on the locomotive front.Perhaps LARS can add something about the engine's marine use before being adapted for the locomotive. CM3 Many thanks for the very interesting information on the Railroad Magazine. Freeman Hubbard sounds quite a character.There still seems to be a few magazines on railroads still, certainly in the UK. I really hope that they don't forsake the printed version and go for downloads on the web you can subscribe too in the future.LARS That's an idea an Our Place Bowling team that is if we survive the upcoming darts ma « First«79808182838485»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Good day Tom and all the bar flies. Pitchers of dark all around and a knockwust mit sauerkraut for me. I hope you have some polka music on the box. It seems like only 25 years ago, that the wife and I took part in Oktoberfest festivities out in Inverness in Marin county, Ca. This was something we did for a few years. There was always a festival of some sort going on. If it wasn't Oktoberfest, then it was Cinco-de mayo, Chinese New Year, opening day on the bay or gay lib parades (only kidding). Throw in Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving and Halloween, and we had a full schedule of entertaining and party going. We have kind of slowed down somewhat over the years, but a visit now and then to "Our Place" won't take much of a toll on us. BTW, when is wife's night? I trust this place is suitable for family. Just for a start, my wife of 35 years is from Chile and she is the best wife I have ever had (I've had 3). How we met and got married, is a long story, which I won't bore you for now.
Per: Standing next to a big boy under steam was an awesome experience, one that you can never forget if you have soul. It will choke you up inside. I still get all choked up when I watch a tape of steam in motion and their sounds. I have the tape of the SP #4449 as it is leaving Portland and starting across the bridge on it's trip down the coast during one of her excursion runs. It makes chills run up your spine and a lump in your throat. It's probably the closest thing to an org...sm that I can describe. I'm sure some of you older fellas know what I'm talking about. And yes, the big boy was in motion and ran to the turntable and back a few times. I'm not totally certain, but I think the engine was borrowed from Cheyenne, Wy for the occasion and returned afterwards. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Forgive me for any misinformation. I'm building the wood body version of the class D. Being a woodworker, I find it easier to do that than emboss thousands of rivets on sheet metal. My definition of a ship vs boat was, a boat can be placed on a ship, but I like your definition better. Your picture of Winslow, Az was mentioned in a song called "Take it Easy".(I think that's the title)
Pete: I think the police harassment over picture taking has to do with possible terrorist activity. What has this world come to when a citizen is afraid to take a picture in his own country. I have the answer to the problem, but I can't say here.
Pete: Very nice pictures of the class R and B engines. The more I see of Scandinavian and European engines, the more interested I get in them. The Swedes are masters of engineering, whether it be Volvo's, Saab's, ships, airplanes or locomotives. In regard to seeing a cab forward or big boy under steam, I don't think there would be enough support here in this country for that to happen. Maybe if we shipped the engine overseas, they might be able to revive it. When I lived in Boston, we used to play a bowling game called "candle pins". It was played the same as king pin's, but you used a smaller ball the size of a soft ball. I think Boston was the only place where they played that game.
Lars: You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC?
Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian friends. Do you celebrate it like we do here?
For those who mentioned Diesel-Hydraulic's, the following explains how they work.
The following courtesy of Wikipedia
Diesel-hydraulic
DB class V 200.
Diesel-hydraulic locomotives use hydraulic transmission to convey the power from the diesel engine to the wheels. On this type of locomotive, the power is transmitted to the wheels by means of a device called a torque converter. A torque converter consists of three main parts, two of which rotate, and one that is fixed. All three main parts are sealed in an oil-filled housing.
The inner rotating part of a torque converter is called a "centrifugal pump" (or impeller), the outer part is called a "turbine wheel" (or driven wheel), and between them is a fixed guide wheel. All of these parts have specially shaped blades to control the flow of oil.
The centrifugal pump is connected directly to the diesel engine, and the turbine wheel is connected to an axle, which drives the wheels.
As the diesel engine rotates the centrifugal pump, oil is forced outwards at high pressure. The oil is forced through the blades of the fixed guide wheel and then through the blades of the turbine wheel, which causes it to rotate and thus turn the axle and the wheels. The oil is then pumped around the circuit repeatedly.
The disposition of the guide vanes allows the torque converter to act as a gearbox with continuously variable ratio. If the output shaft is loaded to reduce its rotational speed, the torque applied to the shaft increases, so the power transmitted by the torque converter remains more or less constant.
However, the range of variability is not sufficient to match engine speed to load speed over the entire speed range of a locomotive, so some additional method is required to give sufficient range. One method is to follow the torque converter with a mechanical gearbox which switches ratios automatically, similar to an automatic transmission on a car. Another method is to provide several torque converters each with a range of variability covering part of the total required; all the torque converters are mechanically connected all the time, and the appropriate one for the speed range required is selected by filling it with oil and draining the others. The filling and draining is carried out with the transmission under load, and results in very smooth range changes with no break in the transmitted power.
Diesel-hydraulic multiple units, a less arduous duty, often use a simplification of this system, with a torque converter for the lower speed ranges and a fluid coupling for the high speed range. A fluid coupling is similar to a torque converter but it lacks the stationary element called the stator. The output torque is equal to the input torque regardless of the ratio of input to output speed; loading the output shaft results not in torque multiplication and constant power throughput but in reduction of the input speed with consequent lower power throughput. (In car terms, the fluid coupling provides top gear and the torque converter provides all the lower gears.) The result is that the power available at the rail is reduced when operating in the lower speed part of the fluid coupling range, but the less arduous duty of a passenger multiple unit compared to a locomotive makes this an acceptable trade-off for reduced mechanical complexity.
Diesel-hydraulic locomotives are slightly more efficient than diesel-electrics, but were found in many countries to be mechanically more complicated and more likely to break down. In Germany, however, diesel-hydraulic systems achieved extremely high reliability in operation. Persistent argument continues over the relative reliability of hydraulic systems, with continuing questions over whether data was manipulated politically to favour local suppliers over German ones. In the US and Canada, they are now greatly outnumbered by diesel-electric locomotives, while they remain dominant in some European countries. The most famous diesel-hydraulic locomotive is the German V 200 which were built from 1953 in a total number of 136. The only diesel-electric locomotives of the Deutsche Bundesbahn were BR 288 (V 188), of which 12 were built in 1939 by the DRG. In the UK, the Western Region of British Rail bought a number of Diesel Hydraulic locomotives, ranging from small light duty freight locos to high powered mainline passenger locomotives, but these were withdrawn early due to being non standard, and also in some cases suffering from reliability problems (see below), being replaced by Diesel Electrics. A number were rescued for preservation though, and some are capable of running on the mainline.
The high reliability of the German locomotives was paralleled by higher reliability of non-German locomotives built with German-made parts compared to that of the same designs built using parts made locally to German patterns under licence. Much of the unreliability experienced outside Germany was due to poor quality control in the local manufacture of engines and transmissions. Another contributing factor was poor maintenance due to staff accustomed to steam locomotives now working on unfamiliar and much more complex designs in unsuitable conditions, and failing to follow the unit-replacement maintenance methods which were part of the German success. It is notable that diesel-hydraulic multiple units, with the advantages of modern manufacturing techniques and improved maintenance procedures, are now extremely successful in widespread use, achieving excellent reliability.
In the 1960s, more than 15 diesel-hydraulic locomotives were purchased by the Denver & Rio Grande and Southern Pacific Railroads on a trial basis from the Kraus-Maffei company. Only the outer shell of one of these (converted into a camera car by SP in the 1970s) exists today, the others having all been scrapped.
Until later, Ron aka DD1
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England San Francisco Blend today); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
We had record-breaking heat yesterday (85 degrees) and is supposed to be close to that today. Do we ever need rain! Traveled to Greenbrier County yesterday (medical visits for mom); fall foliage is just starting, passed by the C&O main line twice but all was quiet.
Pete - I can see a skittles table being in the bar somewhere. Let's see, I thought some of our drinks were "floorers." "Stacks" are the bodies out front sometimes. Thanks for the pictures, especially of the Pullman.
Eric - The driveway looks like my street in winter (whenever that happens). We have critters like that in our yard sometimes and running through the neighborhood regularly as there are lots of woods close by. Destructive beasties, especially if you have a garden, but they give the area K9s a lot of exercise.
The Class B is beautiful. Coal fired, I assume, I also liked the cutout tender for better visibility. Central Vermont had some like that. The C&O had 0-10-0s as well. They used them as yard switchers.
Jan sent some nice photos. Check out the lw consist behind ATSF 3774. Also enjoyed the builders shot of the LV "Wyoming" class. There is some additional RF&P material toward the end of this post. The Niagara at Bellefontaine was interesting for that time period,. I know they went through there sometimes, especially right before the end of steam on the NYC, but the 1946 date was intriguing. Just goes to show there's a "precendent" for anything on the railroad. BTW, a round of the good stuff for anyone who correctly pronounces "Bellefontaine."
Lars - I remember the D&H dome cars quite well, Got the WVC&P book and need to get the vol. 2 of the W&LE. The first volume has all sorts of fine photos.
Fergie stopped by; good voyage, sir.
DD1 visited with an admirable philosophical statement that echoes the words of my father.
Per - BAR had more passenger cars back in the day. The Pas are pretty well done; one is back in the States being restored as a NKP "Bluebird." I will try and get to see that when it's done. The D&H PAs were ex ATSF and the paint scheme was more than coincidental.
Aroostook is a county in the State of Maine. Some of their counties are as big as some states. I recall buying gasoline on different rips up to the north and looking at the card slip and seeing it marked at "T2 R9, Maine." This refers to townships and ranges (for all the surveyors out there). Anyway, it's flatland up there and they grow lots of potatoes. For years the BAR hauled potatoes, paper and forest products. The potatoes were handled in solid trains of refrigerator cars which required all sorts of special handling because they often ran from cold to warm weather and the cars had to be tended carefully so the cargo would not spoil. Typical routing was BAR-B&M-NYNH&H-PRR (via float). Potato trains were nicknamed "yellow dog extras" because of the car color.
Now for some RF&P material. The RF&P may be a small road but it is extremely busy. They have, for years been a funnel for trains from the northeast to Florida and all point in between. Thus they handled a tremendous amount of interline traffic. Typical routing included (depart New York); PRR-RF&P-SAL or ACL-FEC. Going to Fredericksburg has always been a challenge as I (as many at the bar are aware) am deeply involved with Civil War history. So we spilt time between battlefield crawling and the railroad. There are several good RF&P books out there, but the one that gives you good insight into the steam days is Richard Prince's Richmond-Washington Line.
Wheeling and Lake Erie was a coal hauler (therefore on my list of lines to follow) with strong ties to the steel industry. They were acquired by the NKP, then the N&W. They exist today as an independent operation with some most interesting power and operations. This website is worth examining www.wlerwy.com/
OSP keeps us going with Alaska pictures, reference material, and some more movies to watch. Many thanks for that. Rec'd rendezvous material.
The Yanks Is Dead! All of the championship series are shaping up to be good ones. The NYY have some serious problems with thier pitching staff, particularly long and middle relief. Anyone see the horror film, "Joba and the Bugs That Ate Cleveland?" That was truly something.
BTW, I made breakfast very quietly after the Dallas-Buffalo game last night. (lol). Mom threated to kick the TV farther that did the Dallas kicker. I will be posting all this week, but maybe a little off schedule tomorrow and Thursday as I have conference presentations to do each day.
Work safe
Greetings Tom and fellow track huggers.....
Barkeep, may I trouble you for an extra cold Guinness, top up with cigars for the lads please? Here's something for yourself as well....
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....
Da..Da..Da Larsman, I understand you rant mate. Even though our beloved, very much well behaved, polite and very sympathetic Vikings with Lars Erickson arrived in Vinland todays northern tip of Newfoundland, L'Anse aux Meadows 492 years before Columbus, it's something that will go on back forth for some time I guess.
Great covers mate . They always tend to lenghten my "to buy" list somewhat. I need to get a DVD player that plays DVD's of both the PAL and NTSC system....
Tom, it's too bad that I live that far away, otherwise I'd have hooked up with you lads. Looking forward to whatever might follow you great Alaska photos.... How about here in Glasgow next time, eh?
marthastrainyard, you could say that again mate. Todays diesels have no class or style like E's and PA's.... The only round things on them today is the wheels, otherwise everything else is in an angle of some sort.... They seem to worship the almighty RULER....
Great pics... Is that whole side of the house painted?
EricX2000, never operated them, eh? You were one of the lucky ones then.... My dad had few things to say about them... Oh no, I didn't miss anything at all mate. I love that house in the picture. Give me that house anywhere in the northern states, Montana, Idaho etc. and of course along the old Milwaukee Road and I'll be forever happy.... I love thick forrests, where I used to live in Sweden you could travel for hours sometimes and see nothing but forrest.
Great pic ! As far as I can see it's a D (of some kind) T-21, Z-65 and maybe a Ub hiding in the background.... Keep 'em coming.
Santa Fe 2-10-2 helper on Tehachapi The Country is at War. The railroads are all overworked.In this view a large 2-10-2 Santa Fe work-horse #3849provides tractive effort in the middle of the train tolesson the drawbar strain on the couplers. Smoke andsteam suggest the grade on Tehachapi is being overcomethis 1942 afternoon.
Photographer: Fred C. Stoes
Santa Fe steam dbl-hdr/frt, ArizonaSanta Fe #3850 leads a second engine and long freight trainunder the semophores east of Williams, Arizona, and near theold Route 66 highway crossing, 1949.
[SP #3680/freight on Cuesta (SLO), 1938Southern Pacific 2-10-2 #3860 leads a heavy freight aroundthe horseshoe curve just west of San Luis Obispo,California. Note helper way back in train on the curve.
SP 2-10-2 #3728/frt below DunsmuirA Southern Pacific 2-10-2 locomotive #3728 with bladeleads a freight train down the Sacramento River Canyonbelow Dunsmuir, California, 1938.
Credit: yesteryeardepot
B&O "Big Six" 6114 Louisville Kentucky in 1956.
Photographer: HK Vollrath
Location and photographer unknown.
Credit: northeastrailfan.
See you around the corner....
Greetings Tom and fellow worshippers of the Golden Turntable....
May I please have the usual top up for me and the lads please....?
Good grief!! You can't turn around to do some housework before posting and people sneak in and drop some posts.... I think that I better arrrange to have some alarm built that makes a sound as soon as someone drops a line in here.....
What have I missed.....let's see....hmmmm.
Da Larsman, sorry for not dropping a line before my VERY important housework.... Have a dram on me mate.
DD1, thanks for the info on the DB class V 200 mate...
coalminer3, doesn't it goes like bell-FOUN-tin (French).... I'll have that rather nice Laphroaig please.... It's a real shame that they never saved a Niagara....
Have a nice day everybody!
Tuesday Oct 09
Good day Tom and all able bodied bar flies. Oktoberfest beer on me. I have come up with a little fictional contribution for today, executed with a lot of poetic license, but I hope it brings up images from your own lives.
It was a cool spring morning as I walked along the right-of-way of the UP tracks. Twin ribbons of steel stretched ahead of me for miles across the Arizona desert. Suddenly a feeling of impending doom overcame me. I could feel an almost imperceptible shaking of the ground as I stopped to listen. Placing my hand on one of the rails, I could definitely feel there was a train on the rails. I was excited, knowing a long train would soon be passing by this spot. Off in the distance, there was indeed a train approaching. Although I couldn't make out what type of engine it was, a shimmering heat and vibration told me that this wasn't any ordinary engine. I couldn't tell how far away it was, but it seemed to be closing the distance at a pretty fast clip. As it approached, engulfed in huge billowing clouds of steam and an occasional puff of black smoke, I could now see this was no ordinary train. As the image grew larger, my first instinct was to get as far away from the track as possible, but a fascination of the unknown kept me frozen to this spot. The machine was now only 200 hundred feet away barreling down on me with an animal like ferocity. This was no ordinary steam engine. It was a Union Pacific 4-8-8-4, with steam belching from its stack accompanied by a cacophony of sounds. The ringing of the bell, the shrill whistle, the sound of the feed water pump, the whirling of the generator and compressor, the roar of the fire in the firebox and clanging of the gear. It was the largest machine I had ever seen., towering three stories, it seemed, above me. It was a "Frankenstein" machine created by other machines in it's own image and likeness. As it passed, the heat radiated from its massive boiler was felt and I thought if the engine were to stop right there, that I would go up in smoke. As quickly as it approached, it departed, hauling a string of twenty passenger cars. I was left there by the track shaken by the experience. I didn't have a camera with me, but even if I did, I'm sure I would have been too traumatized to take a picture.
G'day Gents!
Just to get a leg up on the Posts . . .
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:16 AM: Don't blame you a bit for taking "off" from the book covers ‘n steamers for a day or more. What's the point if there's no one around!?
Can't comment on the whereabouts of Wolfman. He's usually quite considerate about these things, but this time - zero, zip, zilch from him. Probably got "snookered" by his Mrs. into doing something else - OR - never got out of that place he likes to hang out at!
Understand about the Rendezvous - I'll crank you in as "info" on future Emails . . .
Nice Post for the guys ‘n appreciate your taking the time to stop by with a round for the gang!
Ron (DD1) at 9:23 AM & 11:28 AM & 11:56 AM: <phew> Unbelievable - Feast or Famine - Hit ‘n Miss bar ‘n grill fer sure, fer sure! When we think we're gonna get business, we don't! Great to see our Southern Gentleman from Mississippi grace the joint with his presence! <aka: New YAWK transplant!>
Let me cut to the chase right away:
You wrote: You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC?
You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC?
When the Bering Land Bridge existed, there was no China! Meaning, the humans who crossed that connection were simply on the march from the area we now call Asia. This was way, way, way before the "Age of Discovery" which is pretty much relegated to the European explorers "taking credit' for darned near everything ‘n every place on Earth!!
Anyway, of course there were inhabitants in North & South America, but again, but they weren't "discovered" until the Euros decided that it was time to do so! <grin> These inhabitants of North & South America arrived by various means but not a one did so to "plant a flag in the name of . . . . " or to make claim to resources . . . convert the population to their religion or to enslave others. Nope - according to the archaeological record that I recall reading about, these humans were seeking other places to survive! Quite different from the Euro adventurers wouldn't you agree
So, restricting the conversation to the period of time most of us can grasp in our mind's eye - it was indeed the men from what is now called Scandinavia who put their feet on North America way before Queen Isabella funded Christopher Columbus' voyage to find a new route to the far east. So he "bumped into" an island in the Caribbean - hmmmmmm, just a small obstacle to getting to where he thought he was going!
It's amazing to me <well maybe NOT so!> how history gets distorted, contorted ‘n revised as time marches on! Well, I WASN'T around in when the Bering Land Bridge existed, much less in 1492 - but I do prefer getting my information from other than anecdotal sources, which seems to be "in" these days <daze>! <groan>
A mention of ladies at the bar: We have tried <several times> to get something going with a "Ladies Night" at "Our" Place. For an assortment of reasons ranging from "no interest" to "no commitment" the idea remains in memory.
Of course ladies are welcome at this bar! And of course we'd love to have a couple sign on ‘n get "into" the banter at the bar. Unfortunately, for those who have, it just kinda withered on the vine . . . . Remember the IDEA of this joint is to discuss CLASSIC Trains - everything else is secondary.
HOWEVER, when it comes to events like our Rendezvous - it's strictly a "thing" for those who are active participants. Hard enough planning for the guys much less having to 'worry' about "entertaining" others who may or may not be interested in what we do. <ugh>
I'm not sure WHO your comment about Canada's celebration of Thanksgiving was directed to. However, I'll take a stab at giving you an answer: No - they do not celebrate it quite the way we do. It is far less commercialized in the places I've visited ‘n people we know who are Canadians. Turkey may or may not be the main dish. Traditions vary based on the origin(s) of the families in Canada. For example, those who arrived there from the colonies in rebellion against England, most probably have more similarities with the U.S. version of the holiday than not. Those from other lands, nope.
I've Posted info on this holiday several times - mainly on the Original Thread. If you're interested in more info - let me know ‘n I'll dig up the URLs (pages).
OUTSTANDING work with the "fiction" piece! THANX! Have on me - make it a double if you wish!
Rounds ‘n visits appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:24 AM
Just stopped by to update progress on the 1-C-1 model. The drawing for the model is complete. The next stage is to break everything down into bite size pieces, handrails, headlight, whistle, drivers, etc, assign dimensions for 1/8 scale (1-1/2"=1'-0") and fabricate the pieces. Certain modeler's license must be taken, for example: the wood sides will be made from 1/8" Luan door skins. This would scale out to a 1" thick wall on the prototype. The finished model will measure 5' 3-3/4" long x 16-1/2" wide x 22 ¼" tall. Power will be an electric motor from a child's sidewalk car running on 12V batteries. The motor and gearing should be adequate to move the engine at a realistic scale speed. It may even have enough power to transport my grandkids (no live catenary). Hopefully I can finish this before the snows come and I will have to use the plows.
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams and a round please RUTH. The bride was on holiday yesterday but it was a lot of work around the house, doing mods, during the weekend, and I was bit under the weather yesterday evening.
RON The change in bars over here is a bit similar to what has happened in the UK, although it is still a pub culture there. The village pub along with the church was the center of a village, where it would be the same people in most nights, a lot of this has changed I think the main cause is the very steep increase in the price of beer, even when inflation is taken in to consideration. When some stop coming in it does not take very long before the others think it is not worth going as there will not be anyone to talk to. Quite a few villages in my area have lost the pub with it being converted to houses.
Luckily it is still possible to go to pubs that have not been altered and with the same atmosphere they have had for years. I guess we are lucky here in Missouri that there are at least two bars that have a great feeling to them Pat's Place near me, and the TrainWreck Saloon not far from Tom.
You are right about standing next to a large steam locomotive, there is nothing quite like it. It is a memory I shall never lose of going round steam locomotive sheds in the 1960s in Britain with lines of steam locomotives, many in steam on a Sunday.
I think one of the main problems of getting a Big Boy or a cab- forward in steam again is the size of them hence the massive cost, the locomotives of Britain are a lot smaller, even so overalls of them are getting more expensive. Really enjoyed the story of the UP 2-8-8-4 passing, thanks for sharing.
Many thanks for the Diesel Hydraulic post. As it says the Western Region of BR when with them, I think they could have lasted longer but BR wanted diesel-electrics. The second generation of Multiple Units chose hydraulic traction and are reliable.
Interesting about the ‘Candle Pin' game.
ERIC Ladies in the Second Class Saloon darts team. I'm sure after a few pints they will all look beautiful
Many thanks for the photos of your old house what a view from the window. I only got an old moggy or a squirrel at my old house in England from the kitchen window.
Many thanks for the photos taken by Hans. Those tanks below the T 43 diesel look very low to the track, do you know if they were air cylinders.
In the photo of Northern Arizona does the Amtrak Southwest Chief run on that route That is a small locomotive in today's photo, is it a small switcher
Do you think we ought to get an electronic counting device at the bar, like the one at Pat's Place here that count's down to St Paddy's Day, for counting down to the Rendezvous
PER Thanks for the drinking song.
Great photos of 3751 and it is great when a railroad sends a new locomotive to a Railroad Day.
Thanks for the info on #12. It is a great idea for the museum to run the steam train, as you say, it will bring a different group to the area, even those it did not know about it may see, the steam engine, while visiting old town, have a ride and then visit the nearby museum.
It would be a good idea to have a video of the cab-forwards in action next to the locomotive; it would give the youngsters an idea of what they looked like at work.
Looking forward to the model photos Wednesday.
Thanks for the photos of Arizona; Winslow was the first town I saw in Arizona, as it had got light by then on the Chief.
LARS Many thanks for those great dome cars and the book covers from some of the lesser-known lines.
It sounds as your dart training is exactly the same as mine. I'm sure you would do well at skittles, I will have to get Alan to take a photo of a table, but he is having problems with his computer at the moment.
I think the bride has found out about Sonia, hence all the work for me weekend, any way the room is finished and the bride is happ
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I am sorry but I am in a hurry so I'll just have a black cup of coffee! Keep the change. Thank you!
Found some interesting reading here again!
Tom – I was afraid that you had forgotten those girls! I am afraid they have already signed on for Second Class Saloon. Very disturbing indeed! I’ll tell Per about your Volvo wagon! Of course he has to come to St. Louis! Correction: I have not chosen the “wee hours” for my appearances! Those are the only hours available when all the chores are done! But who cares? As long as I am having fun it is okay!!Lars – Thank you very much for the history of #3606!!! Basically retired since 1970 but still hanging in there. Vallejo, CA. I have added the name of that town to a list of places to visit. It is located north of Oakland and is just a long day’s drive from here. Ron – I am afraid you are correct about too little support to get a Big Boy or Cab Forward under steam again. It would cost too much money. I think the only chance is that Hollywood decides to make a movie where they need a Big Boy or Cab Forward pulling a train. Thanks for the diesel-hydraulic article! Diesel-hydraulic locomotives are much more common in Europe than here. I love your fictional story! Don’t worry about any drawing copyright. The little drawing I posted was free to copy. Considering the size your model will have you'll need a lot of pictures of details. I’ll post some this weekend.I think your drawing look great! What is considered the front end (A) is the left end on your drawing.CM3 – I agree, deer and gardens don’t mix. I did not have any garden so the deer did not do any harm. Moose was kind of different story, much heavier and wasn’t that careful walking around the house, but no big deal.You are right, Class B is coal fired. JanOlov – SJ had only 4 class V1's and I have never seen any much less operated any. Basically the only thing I miss in this country is the Swedish forest! It is very special to me. You are correct about my picture, class Da (modern version of class D (Du)), T21, Z65 and Ub are the ones visible. Thanks for those nice pictures! One is from Williams, AZ, where you can catch the train to the Grand Canyon!Pete – The Ladies in the Second Class Saloon darts team look beautiful even before you have had any drinks. That is why they are so hard (impossible?) to beat!The tanks under the T43 are for diesel fuel. Yes, Amtrak’s Southwest Chief runs the route in my picture. I am not sure what picture you asking about? A small locomotive? Of course we should have an electronic device counting down the days to the 3rd Annual Rendezvous! I have a widget in my computer that is doing just that. 218 days to go!
A small town, Flen, railroad station in Sweden. Photo: Hans Polanik.
Eric
Wednesday's Witticism
Every jackass thinks he's got horse sense.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA ‘n it appears that FALL has finally arrived! Significant downward trend in temps ‘n things are quite comfortable!
Enjoy the pastries, coffee ‘n breakfasts to begin your day!
Ron (DD1) at 2:51 PM: You, Sir are <tweeted> for Rules Violations! Rule #1 - failure to greet the barkeep! Rule #2 - failure to order drink or food! - Rule #5 - Hit ‘n Run Post! Penalty: Clean ‘n polish the spittoons <inside ‘n out) in the Rat's Patoot Room! <ugh>
Yeah I know you said you'd be "in ‘n out" BUT sufficient time elapsed from your last Post to where you shudda known better! <grin> ZAPPED! <uh oh>
Pete (pwolfe) at 5:24 PM: The windows on all three versions of the Alaska RR Denali Star that we traveled aboard had SPOTLESS windows - inside ‘n out. Something NEVER experienced with Amtrak or Via Rail I should add.
The trip from Anchorage to Fairbanks, about 12 hours, is a daily run during the long daylight period of spring ‘n summer. The overwhelming majority of travelers are tourists. There's little doubt that ARR wants to please the traveler ‘n hopes for their return through the manner in which they treat the paying passengers ‘n maintain their equipment. Something long lost down here, eh
Figured you'd return to the bar . . . things happen ‘n of course we all have our priorities. Hope whatever had you <down> has departed the scene!
Rendezvous III should be another success ‘n I'm in hopes that we'll at least get one more guy to commit . . . we had 3 in Toronto - 4 in St. Louis this past May - so 5 is the objective for 2008!
Recommend you do a "search" on MULTI-REGION DVD PLAYER . . . . you just may find something to fit your requirements.
Two rounds, visit ‘n inclusiveness of your Post most appreciated!
Wednesday - Oct 10th:
Eric (EricX2000) at 1:28 AM: Our Nocturnal Resident Desert Swede had me a bit concerned as I was "up" after mid-nite (Central) ‘n didn't see him! Surprise of surprises this AM to find that he didn't let us down! I shudda known bettAH - sorry, Mate!
Enthusiasm for Rendezvous III is contagious!
I LOVE that train station foto - simply a terrific shot. All that's missing are some people waiting for the trains!! Hmmmmm, perhaps a great looking gal, wrapped in something "cozy" looking ‘n just a "hint" of . . . . ENOUGH! When's the next flight to Sweden <grin>
You must have some grand memories of living in the forests . . . conjures up images of places I'd dearly love to experience. We have wild life frequenting our property ‘n it's hardly the wilderness ‘round here! Far too many deer that have been run out of their habitat by the never ending development of land. Moose ‘n bears though - nope - thankfully! <grin>
Always good to have your thoughts as the first to read for the new day!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Auf Wiedersehen!
Tom
Ahoy Cap'n Tom 'n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a splash to begin the day for me! And a round for the house, PPF for Boris after he feeds the crittAHs - and - the change is YOURS!
Appears as if the bar returned to normal yesterday, especially during the morning hours! Had a flurry of activity - then slack 'til Pete found his way back - then doldrums 'til early morning 'n Eric arrived! Can't predict a thing 'round this joint!
For CM3 I'm NOT Shane: You didn't disappoint as the followup info on the RF&P, W&LE 'n BAR provided all kinds of insights not otherwise known to me! Appreciate it . . .
Good name for a movie!! I think the umps blew it in that "bugs game" in Cleveland the other night. The game shudda been stopped until the situation abated. They simply blew it. Apparently MLB doesn't seem to think that flinging baseballs around at 90 plus mph could possible cause injury to the distracted. Terrible, simply terrible for everyone on the field during that invasion. Heard the bugs are called "Canadian Soldiers"!! How about that, Fergie!?!?!? <grin>
For Eric: I've been to Valejo, but not for anything to do with trains. WondAH if there's anything worth seeing, aside from the "remnants" of an old passenger car Anyway, glad you liked the "blurb" . . .
For Pete: I do recall playing <or trying to!> a board game in England many, many years ago. We were in port for a few days 'n one of the local guys led us astray! Wound up in a pub or three, 'n there was this table with padded sides <???> with guys throwing some weirdly shaped thing at what looked like miniature pins <bowling> . . . anyway, AFTER getting thoroughly trounced at DARTS, I tried my luck with this game - but the only thing good about it was the fact that the more I drank, the bettAH I got! <grin>
Good to see that you're back - but you've got to come up with bettAH excuses! The sun - really!?!?! Nah - too much <ahem> "activity", huh
For Jan: Nice selection of steamers!
Yeah, this "thing" about the discovery of America has been going on for as long <and longer> than I can remember. Thought the Bossman's explanation to Ron said it all!
I don't have any hang-ups giving Chris some credit for being an explorer 'n adventurer, but we need to say he "discovered" an island in the Caribbean!
For Ron: Nice story! BettAH watch out for the <tweeter>!! You're flirting with disaster when it comes to hit 'n run posts! Da Bossman is ALWAYS on the alert for this! Just sends him into orbit - we've had to "unscrew" him from the overhead more than once!!
I think that pretty much covers the "lot"!! Have one on me, boyz! Boris, ring the bell!
So, it's WEDNESDAY once again at the Watering Hole by the Wayside - that means it's also the Optional Toy & Model Trains Day! <smoke 'em if you got 'em!> So, here's another set of EURO trains for those who appreciate such things!
Roco, based in Salzburg, Austria, is a manufacturer of model railway equipment, The company was founded in 1960 by Ing. Heinz Rössler and started with a plastic 'minitank' series. After export to the USA became successful, the model line was expanded with model trains in H0 scale and the smaller N scale.On July 15, 2005 ROCO Modellspielwaren GmbH was declared bankrupt. From July 25 the company continues as Modelleisenbahn GmbH. from: http://www.wikipedia.com/
Roco, based in Salzburg, Austria, is a manufacturer of model railway equipment, The company was founded in 1960 by Ing. Heinz Rössler and started with a plastic 'minitank' series. After export to the USA became successful, the model line was expanded with model trains in H0 scale and the smaller N scale.On July 15, 2005 ROCO Modellspielwaren GmbH was declared bankrupt. From July 25 the company continues as Modelleisenbahn GmbH.
On July 15, 2005 ROCO Modellspielwaren GmbH was declared bankrupt. From July 25 the company continues as Modelleisenbahn GmbH.
Roco - Switzerland - (DC) 63321 - Steam engine C5/6 of the SBB
Trix was a German company that originally made metal construction sets. In 1935 it began producing the electric coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Breakfast Blend); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.Let's see what's happening today.Jan stopped by with pictures and other comments. Enlarge the picture of the ATSF helper and check out the cars; large o/b cars and 40' ones. Again, something to date the picture. Jan wind s the Bellefontaine contest - enjoy your prize, sir!DD1 Sent an excellent post. There is a lot to be said for not having a camera as it forces one to concentrate. Please keep us posted on the 1-C-1 model.Pete - Candlepins is largely a NE U.S. phenomenon. I recall playing lots of candlepins when I lived in that part of the world. There was also a locally produced TV show called "Candlepins for Cash" that ran on TV in Boston for years; great commercials, believe me! BTW, a near miss on Bellefontaine - nice try!!Eric - thanks for the information on the locomotive. Incidentally, think moose and you think Bangor and Aroostook or Maine Central. Yrs back a fellow by the name of Marshall Dodge (some may remember him) produced a record of Maine-based humor titled "Bert and I." Truly good stuff. One of my favorite cuts on the album involved a fellow who won a radio contest. The prize was a trip to New York. He, of course, traveled by train (Maine Central) and encountered various misadventures along the way; one of which involved the locomotive (steam) hitting a moose. This was done with full sound effects. Anyway, the moose made out better than the locomotive which in some cases is not too far from the truth. The Flen station is beautiful - not a piece of trash or paper in sight. Is the overhead cantilever? No, Boris, I can't even say, "Cantilever catenary," let alone use it in a sentence. Lars stopped in with sports commentary, other observations, and some fine looking model locomotives. Good to hear from you! was looking at the New York papers yesterday and it seems as though the Yankees are in their usual dysfunctional state (breaks my heart)! Go, Giants!OSP exercising his bar owner's right, provided historical commentary. Sounds like you have been reading the book I suggested awhile back. Oh, almost forgot, I'm well into the book relay item; work cuts into leisure time, etc. IIRC, baseballs schedules usually come out in November - this year the "World's Serious," (what my neighbor calls the Fall Classic) will probably be going on. Game on, indeed! A buddy has tickets to see Washington and Vancouver play in about two weeks in D.C. Work safe JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:02 AM and several other powerful and not very printfriendly expressions......Here we go again..... Take two! Aaaaand ACTION!!Greetings Tom and fellow classic trains worshippers....First of all, you have to excuse my rather uncivilized, barbaric and savage outburst here people.... But all these cannot find server......error etc. on this website is doing me head in. Here I had made some comments to you lads and what happened when I pressed the POST button? Yep, you're right on brothers.....DD1, I really look forward to your finished model mate.....pwolfe, I've yet to have the pleasure to hear the sound of a Deltic diesel...EricX2000, that is one thing that I miss as well mate. Driving for hours and see nothing but trees. You see, my dad loves to drive those narrow dirt roads....You don't by any chance have any pics to share from Malmbanan?Tom, have a dram on me mate!Da Larsman, I wonder how they're gonna explain away those Viking settlements that they've found up there.... Nice pics mate, as always. coalminer3, I won!? Yaaaayyyyy!!! Twist.....turn.....skip.....moonwalk and sliiiide....YEAH! Here's to your health, wealth and happiness gentlemen.....Cheers!Just a wee question fellas....how many of you have had the chance to cook lunch in the firebox of a steam locomotive? I've done it a "few" times, eggs, bacon, burgers, sausages.....etc. You can't beat a good properly cooked steam locomotive steak....Have a really nice day and take care,See you around the corner.....Hmmmm.....let's see...right click and copy and.....POST! All the best! Jan JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:54 PM Greeting young Master Tom and fellow dignitaries.....May I trouble you for a refill please? Extra cold Guinness for me, top up with cigars for lads....thank you kindly. Here something for yourself. $$$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....I know that it's OPTIONAL TOY & MODEL TRAINS DAY! today, but I just thought that I'd try to get some yapping going here to live things up here, not that it's really necessary to do that. OK!!! WHO through that wet rag !? *dries himself* Anyhoo, we all know that N&W.....Reading.....PRR....and Milwaukee Road.........all had the knowledge, engineers, workforce and facilities to build their own locomotives and for Milwaukee Road thousands of freight and passenger cars.How did their design departments, engineers, shop workers, facilities etc compare to each other? Who had that little edge above the others in machinery and quality of work and maintenance? Also, which other railroads were in the same seat that could build their own locomotives? Did they ever have a sneak peak over the competitions work and thinking....hey, I can improve on that design....Have a nice day and take care....See you around the corner....Credit: northeastrailfan and toltecimages..... All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:42 PM Now Arriving on Track #1A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers! Number Two Caveat: Use of the images presented is made under the provisions of Public Domain. There is no intent to profit or otherwise benefit from the display of these images except for personal pleasure. (1) RR Magazine - 1952 - Destination Pittsburgh (2) RR Magazine - 1945 - The Mighty Railway (3) RR Magazine - 1950 - Through the Night (4) RR Magazine - 1943 - Working on the Railroad (5) RR Magazine - 1952 - Sea Isle Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:00 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams please RUTH.ERIC I don't know what tactics we can use to beat the Second Class Saloon ladies, I guess our only hope is that H&H get jealous.The photo I was asking was the one you posted yesterday morning of Hallsberg Sweden in 1975.There are some good locomotives in the photo, I was wondering about the red and black one nearest the camera, it could by a loco used for track work.It will be surprising how fast the Rendezvous will be here.Thanks for the photo of that great station at Flen.LARS The game you played sounds very much a version of table skittles, I must admit I played better with a good intake of beer, I think it is a vital part of the game, I had to make sure I had a pint to sup between throws. Then after the game proper there was the ‘Beer Horse" where both teams went in turn added up their scores and best out of three with the losers buying a pint for the opponents.I felt like I had had too much ‘Activity' but without the pleasure. Many thanks for those photos and info on the very well detailed Swiss and German models from Roco, Fleischmann, Marklin and Trix. I noticed that rather unusual 5 axle tender on the German 05 locomotiveCM3 It would interesting to know where the Candle Pins originally came from, do you think ten-pin bowling came from it.Talking of moose damaging trains, I recall reading a while ago that a diesel locomotive in Bangladesh ran into a baby elephant, the mother elephant saw what happened and attacked the loco wrecking it.JAN Sorry you are having problems with the computer, last couple of days I have had to start again to get a wireless connection, it says ‘no connection, then I have to switch it off then on again and it seems OK.I think there may be a preserved Deltic on the main line again soon so it should be possible to hear one again. The Deltics are allowed on the West Highland Line they must sound great on the grades there.Many thanks for the photos, that is a great subject to debate as to the comparisons of the different locomotive builders owned by the railroad. It will be good to hear if any of the top designers of one company were poached by another. In the UK there was a great rivalry between Derby and Crewe Works of the LMS and of course the Great Western's Swindon Works and everybody else. TOM It is good to get some cooler weather here, I am ready for it. As you say the windows on the Denali Star will make people want to return, along with the service on the train, really if a train contains a dome or a sightseer lounge the windows ought to be kept clean. It was very noticeable even the freight locomotives on Alaska rail were in immaculate condition, which to me shows a pride in the railroad. We were lucky on the Chief as the windows were quite good and I think the VIA dome we had was in good condition. I wonder in the old days if they would clean the car's windows while the train was stopped at a station en-route. I guess we will never get a really clean window between St Louis and Kansas City as the I suppose the train would last have the windows cleaned in Chicago, it would interesting to know how often the cars are cleaned.I will have a look at that DVD player thanks. Many thanks for those great Railroad Magazine covers. I wonder when it finished being published whether it just stopped coming out or it was taken over and amalgamated into another magazine. I'm looking forward to have a read of some at the Library at The Rendezvous..Luckily the bride has some photos of the great model railway in San Diego, especially after my feeble effort, enough for a couple of weeks Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:03 PM Hi Tom and all,The usual round of TUI`s for the crew please Leon.Ron. Happy Birthday mate, HAPPY BIRTHDAY , have a good ONE. I do most of my drinking in the NZ Ex-servicemens club, very similar to your American Legion set up, we are not allowed to discuss politics or religion on the club premises so we have a very friendly atmosphere.Tom. Enjoyed all your interesting posts and pics, great covers and great pics of your Alaska trip. We did`nt feel that shake last week, it was centered in the South Island, we do get quite a few shake`s here in Hawke`s Bay, Napier the port city 40 miles north of us was flattened by a 7.8 quake in 1931, it was totally rebuilt in Art Deco style. their is an interesting site at; http://www.artdeconapier.com/Hope you get some of those NZ mussel`s, Ron says he finds them at Chinese restuarants where he lives.Pete. Still enjoying all the info and pics on your trip, great shots of the model railway at San Diego and all the other pics as well. Bobby and Jackie Charlton were born in Ashington, reputed to be the biggest "Pit" village in the world, George Stephenson was born in Wylam on the River Tyne, he worked at Killingworth mine for a while which is quite close to Ashington.Per. Great pics of 3751, SF Northerns are my favourite steam loco, after the LNER A4 of course!Eric. Great pic of the 2nd Class Saloon, hope some of the Harvey Girls frequent the place! Also great shots of your old home and garden, looks very much like some parts of NZ by the look of them. were you allowed to hunt the deer there? Deer hunting is BIG business over here, venison can be a lot cheaper than beef, venison sausage`s are a great favourite of mine!Lars. Really enjoying all your book covers and steam pic posts, and the model loco`s as well!Jan. Great steam loco pics as usual mate, keep them coming, I used to travel behind the East Coast line "Deltics" on the Tees/Tyne Pullman and the "Flying Scotsman" in the 60`s, they were very powerful machines, 3000hp, and cruised at 100mph plus!CM3. Very interesting info on your posts mate.Fergie. Nice to see you on board again.See ya, Allan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:44 PM G'day Gents!From the Birthday Watch List 2007!October 9th (Ron - 73)BOILED PEANUTS (Sept 24 - Oct 23) You have a passionate desire to help your fellow man. Unfortunately, those who know you best, your friends and loved ones, may find that your personality is much too salty, and their criticism will affect you deeply because you are really much softer than you appear. You should go right ahead and marry anybody you want to because in a certain way, yours is a charmed life. On the road of life, you can be sure that people will always pull over and stop for you. BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO RON! Looks like the B'day Watch List "system" broke down - so in view of your recent <tweeting> 'n punishment - consider it forgiven! I WILL CLEAN THE SPITTOONS (inside 'n out) <yuck> Thanx to Allan (Gunneral) for NOT fogetting! Drinks on me in honor of Ron - and - Allan! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo marthastrainyard Member sinceMarch 2006 From: Orange County, CA 98 posts Posted by marthastrainyard on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:59 PM Good Evening everybody present, and Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Ayinger tonight, please. I hope you saved some of those PPF, Boris because they were all out of them today. Let’s try another Oktoberfest drinking song: O du lieber Augustin, Augustin, Augustin, o du lieber Augustin, alles ist hin. Geld ist weg, Mäd'l ist weg, alles weg, alles weg. O du lieber Augustin, alles ist hin. Now that sounds much better. A lot of patrons tonight! Today was the first cool day in Dallas in a very long time. Only 68 this morning and a high of around 86. Sunny and very dry air; it’s getting to be livable here for a little while. The price of petrol is steady at $2.619 Tom, Thank you once again for the translation. I’ll keep feeding German drinking songs during the week, then I’m afraid I will run out of them. I’m counting the days to the Rendezvous, but there are a few “obstacles” that must be overcome before I can commit to participate. I saw in the pictures from this year’s Rendezvous that you have a Volvo so that is duly noted. I think the next flight to Sweden just left, but there should be another one tomorrow! You dug up a couple of magazines that I have never heard of. Was that a trade journal rather than a “hobby” magazine, like Trains is today? You sowed some very colorful and nice covers. What kind of content did that magazine have? Eric, Yes, that diesel with my son was that year’s (2002) new engine on display in Fullerton. Amtrak comes with a bus every year, but in 2002 they had that special entertainment car that was used in Coast Starlight as well. No car this year, though (although a few private cars were open for visitors). Fullerton has become a parking spot for private cars. I guess the private tracks at LAUPT filled up. There were a couple of comments on the engines in your Hallsberg picture, but do you know the background of the gray MOW passenger car on the left side? I think I saw a V1 in Helsingborg back in the 50’s or early 60’s. They do look a lot like the V3. That station in Flen is a real gem! Looking at the map, it looks like you can do both Vallejo and Rocklin on the same day! Jan Olov, I’m glad you liked the pics. Frankly, I don’t remember how much of the corner building has the mural on it, but it is at least two large windows wide. Apparently the whole block is a dedication to the song nowadays. I am planning to stop in Winslow on my way back to California, if for no other reason to spend a night in the old Harvey hotel there. Great pictures! The ATSF helper across Tehachapi is great; outside braced box cars, an all. Seeing an engine in the middle of the train like that, I’m beginning to see the reason for those extra braces on the cars. Change ISP! That’s all I can say. I had the same problem as you with my old ISP but all of that has gone away now (knock on wood). Just keep saving that work as you type along and then post it all in one fell swoop. That’ll do it. I have no clue as to who built the best engines, but the MILW 4-8-4 would win the beauty contest if I was the judge! Lars (Lovedomes), It turned out that Tuesday was “Leif Ericsson” day in Sweden, according to my wife who found a note in her Swedish calendar. I’m NOT holding my breath that that day will be celebrated, or even recognized, here. It’s like President Hansson, he did a few things, but none of them are recognized (although he got a US postage stamp a few years back). I was around for a little bit during the old thread days. I agree there were much more activity back then, but hey, quality over quantity, right? That commercial center in Rocklin, CA sounds a little bit like what they have in Barstow, but the Barstow line-up is not as ambitious as that in Rocklin. Barstow has, I think, two cars that are used as a fast food restaurant inside a tourist trap souvenir complex. Thank you for the company background of the German MR manufacturers. It’s fun to read up a little bit about history and background of the companies you hear about. I’m amazed by the proportions of the class 05 engine. The drivers have just about the same diameter as the boiler! Happy Belated Birthday, Ron And have another boiled peanut on me! Yes, the Big Boy must have been an experience! The largest engines I’ve seen, heard, and felt the presence of are the UP Challenger and the 8444 and also SP 4449. The Santa Fe 3751 in Fullerton was under steam but it didn’t move while I was there. I saw the SP and the UP race towards Cajon Pass after the LAUPT anniversary some 15 years ago. That was also a sight to remember! It makes sense that the Big Boy would have come from Cheyenne because that’s where UP keeps their on the roster steam engines. Part of the enormous steam facility is kept just for these engines. There was an article about that facility in the “Streamliner” magazine a while back. I’m glad Eric promised you some close-up pictures of the D engine. You made a wonderful drawing, but considering the scale you are going to built it in, you need some detail shots of a few things on that machine. FIVE feet long! Wow! I have always wondered if it is easier to build a model in a large scale than in a small. At first thought it ought to be, but then I think of all those extra details that need to go on the model and I’m Home of the Ambroid history page and the up-and-coming City Of Los Angeles from 1950 http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/ My pictures are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/8514678@N08/ EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:43 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, I'll have a double cheese burger with curly fries! Rootbeer, Thank you.A Very belated Happy Birthday Ron!!! I completely missed it! Shame on me. Free drinks on me the rest of the week!!! Hope you had a very nice day. Tom – Never experienced spotless windows with Amtrak? I am happy to say I have with the X2000. It happened a few times that they actually hand washed the entire train set in Washington D.C.!!! Including all windows! But usually it was washed in the regular “train” wash at Ivy City. I am afraid I don’t have the departure times for flights to Sweden from St. Louis. In worst case you can take the train to Chicago. Flights for Scandinavia usually leave in the late afternoon. You are right, I loved living in the forest! All the birds singing in the spring. Most evenings when I came home from work I made myself a cup of coffee, sat down on the back porch, and drank while feeling completely relaxed! Interesting magazine covers! I guess they thought it would be too expensive to have photographs on the cover. Cover #4 is from “my” year!Lars – There are more than one railroad car in Vallejo! I’ve been through there myself, but don’t remember I saw any dome cars or anything like that. Nice model pictures! I have to figure out a solution how to make room for my display! CM3 – A moose can cause a lot of damage to a locomotive/train. Usually it causes an emergency brake application, which in turn many times causes flat spots on a number of wheels. In rare cases there might be much worse damage. I have hit a number of moose with trains over the years but have been lucky with only minor damage. I was the first one to hit a moose with the X2000! Yes, it is cantilever overhead in most places in Sweden, including Flen.JanOlov – I have a few pictures from Malmbanan that I took when we run the “winter”-tests with the X2000 there in February 1990. But they do not show any nice mountain views, just a lot of snow. Quite a few good questions about steam engines built by the railroads. I am afraid I am totally out of time for any research this week. Maybe you will get some answers by other guests!Very nice pictures of those steam locomotives!Pete – If you need a DVD-player that can play any DVD, NTSC and/or PAL you will find one on this link. Just $69!! http://www.220-electronics.com/google.htmThe little red and blue locomotive is a Class Z65. It is a very small and mainly used for light switching.Thanks for the pictures from the San Diego Model Railraod Association! Very nice display. I remember those high trestles! I am sure I have them on pictures as well. Have to find them!Allan – I don’t know about the Harvey Girls and the Second Class Saloon, but the Swedish Bikini Team spend a lot of time there! I could hunt deer if I wanted to, but I like them better alive so I didn’t. Deer and, especially, moose hunting is a big thing in Sweden. I never heard of venison sausage though. Per – I am afraid I don’t know anything about the MOW car. Give me the weekend and I’ll see if I can find out what it used to be. What is going on in Fullerton every year? Vallejo and Rocklin the same day is very possible. Maybe next year when I have so much more time for myself! I don’t remember exactly how many railroad cars they have in barstow for McDonald’s and some opther businesses. I haven’t been there for several years. Nice pictures of a very nice locomotive!!. But how could you just let it pass Wylie? You should have stopped it there. Another thing I know that you know is that Tom is driving a very nice Volvo Wagon of late model. You will get a free ride in it (right Tom?) when you show up in St. Louis next May! Here is a pictureof that nice Volvo during the 2nd Annual Rendezvous in May this year! Come and try it! Eric siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:37 AM <personal foto>Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!Put away the shorts ‘n break out the long sleeved sweatshirts, Fall has arrived! Best time of the year in my-not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN! Heading out this morning for a breakfast with a friend, but y'all can surely partake in the bill o' fare offered at "Our" Place! Freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery - along with <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from our Menu Board! Petrol is at $2.50 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner" . . . Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Wednesday - Oct 10th: Lars (LoveDomes) at 8:30 AM: We also got a kick out of the reference to "Canadian Soldiers" made during that playoff game in Cleveland. Apparently those flying-ant-like insects spawned due to the unusually warm ‘n moist conditions with a life-span of about a day or so. Couldn't have happened at a more inopportune time - for the Yankees that is! <grin>Can't help you with whatever game you were trying to play while in Merry Olde - but I'll tell ya this - DARTS in Canada (particularly St. Johns, Newfoundland) used to be MY strong suit. Made some money ‘n hardly ever had to buy the beer. Ahhhh, those were the daze! I wouldn't know a SKITTLE from a SKILLET!! <uh oh>Many thanx for the continuing interest in keeping our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! going on Wednesdays. Enjoyed the 2nd round of Euro model trains. Trix loco is "interesting"! Marklin ‘n Fleischmann German models are sure BEASTS! Rounds ‘n visit appreciated! CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:43 AM: Actually "that" book is still on the shelf, awaiting its turn! I'm sooooooo backed up on my reading that it's pathetic - simply pathetic. My bad! I've got Boris tuned in' to the MLB web site for the 2008 hardball sked! <uh oh>About a zillion years ago I recall taking in a hockey game in DC . . . crowd kinda reminded me of LA in that there were just as many cheering for the opposition as for the home team. Transients ALL! Sounds like a fun time coming up for you ‘n your friend! Hate to think of the poor Moose - but they are tough critters ‘n I've seen what happens to cars when Moose-encounters occur . . . <grim>Used to have a Candlepin league in Staten Island when I was a kid . . . I never engaged in it, but I recall it being around. Ahhhh, the good ole daze - setting pins at 25 cents a lane. Yeah buddy - big money! Round ‘n Herr Wurlitzer quarters most appreciated! Jan (JanOlov) at 11:02 AM & 1:54 PM: Forum Gremlins THRIVE on devouring Posts <chomp> <chomp> <burp> Happens! You posed some interesting thoughts regarding the steamers (nice Pix by the by!!) - anyway, I hope the guys pick up on your offering for discussion! A mighty looking N&W loco! Appreciate the visits, rounds ‘n cash! Pete (pwolfe) at 5 PM: Was hoping to see more model trains fotos from SDiego ‘n you didn't disappoint! I haven't been to that museum since 1988 ‘n recall your mentioning that one must pay to enter. Don't recall that at all! I DO remember one huge N scale layout ‘n I mean huge! Your Pix bring back some memories in that the N scale was totally desert southwest . . . was this also N scale??? Nice stuff! If those dome windows in the VIA Rail Chaleur Skyline Dome Car were to be put next to the dome glass of the Alaska RR UltraDome car you'd quickly notice the difference. You'd think the VIA Rail glass needed replacement - there's THAT much of a difference!On one of our round trips across Canada (late spring) we had the train glass thoroughly scrubbed at our refueling stop in Jasper, Alberta. The next time we made the trip (winter) the temps were far too cold for that sort of thing . . . So, it does still happen in some places. Never, ever experienced such a thing with Amtrak - it's kinda "take what we give you." Dirty windows. I've tried to find out what happened to the Railroad Magazine - however it's one of those most difficult combination of words to employ with a search engine. Even using the "advanced search" feature keeps going "circular." Gave up on it . . . I do know the magazine is no longer in print . . . Originally was called the Railroad Man's Magazine.Thanx for the visit ‘n round! < Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:48 AM Greetings Tom and fellow members of House of Lords.....Could I trouble you for an extra cold Guinness, top up with cigars for the lads please? Here's something for yourself....$$$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....RONTom, I really like the covers of RAILROAD Magazine . I've seen them on ebay, still do. Would you mind tell me what kind of magazine it is, beside that it's a railroad one. Is it somekind of business magazine or more like todays TRAINS? Is it a good one, I've been thinking from time to time to buy one just of curiousity.....pwolfe, I don't really that much problems with my computer. I've more problems getting to this forum to be honest. Hopefully it'll be a while before we get another ERROR message here and have to wait to log in.... This forum "our place" has become an addiction to me....That must be an awesome layout... As I've mentioned before, a couple of my closest friends want me to move home again so we can build a layout together. It would have flatlands of the midwest for Erie-Lackawanna which my friend Michael obsessed with, Rio Grande for my other friend Lennart and Milwaukee Road for me, which means plenty of mountain railroading . Of course we'll have our other companies as well.... Gunneral, it looks like I have to Google these Deltic diesels to see what the big deal is with them Do they sound just as good as the old and trusty GP and SD-7/9 or Alco's? riding the Tees/Tyne Pullman and the "Flying Scotsman" in the '60s, eh? What was that like? The service back then must have quite the contrast to todays, well......service?marthastrainyard, I've had more problems getting to this forum than problems with my computer . But it doesn't hurt to keep your eyes open for other good deals, right? Great pics as always mate and I'm always looking forward to see more from you....EricX2000, I remember winters up north *shiver*, not just a tad bit cold but also snow up to your nose. My dad used to rent Banvaktstugan i Storlien every now and then, one year he had to dig a tunnel to get to the front door, it was snow almost up to the top of the roof..... I loved that place when NSB was still running those great Di-3's there....what a sound with them on their way up the hill.... Since one of our members here have a slight obsession towards Alco's and their PA's etc, I thought that I'd post this photo as a daily "fix" to ease their addiction.....Photographer: Unknown.....Credit: Northeastrailfan.Have nice day and take care fellas....and see you around the corner. All the best! Jan coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:47 AM Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please (something form the pastry case as it's a cool day here this a.m.); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.85 and we have had a forty degree temperature drop over a day and a half. K9 Korps loves it. Here goes in no special order.Happy Birthday to DD1 - and many more!Jan stopped by - You may want to check out the Illinois Central as they are another road that built quite a bit of their own power and also r/b a lot as well. The L&N is another road you may want to add to your list to look at as well. I enjoyed the picture of the pair of SP PAs with the E7B in the middle. Pete stopped by. Thanks for the pictures. Tehachapi is one place I have never visited - it's on the list, though. Allan visited as well- Good to hear from you!Per had a freight car question. The red/white/blue scheme was for "State of Maine Products" - not "Potatoes." Manufacturer's license (snargh!) In real life, both the BAR and the New Haven had cars in that scheme. They were all over the place when I was a pup. Models of both have been produced over the years in all scales. I have them in O, HO and N; the latest version is by Atlas in N scale (both roads, too. One of Mmy HO cars (New Haven version) sits on one of the bookcases in my office. It was made mannnny yrs ago by an outfit called New England Models - one of the best versions I have ever seen because the lettering is so hard to do. White on blue on the top third of the car side, blue on white in the middle and white on red in the middle. IIRC, the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic has some of these cars in service lettered for the MMA. Eric - I ask and I learn. Thanks for the catenary information. I figured there had to be a moose story in there somewhere (lol). OSP sent some pictures which raised a lot of questions among the barflies (excuse me, illustrious patrons), which I bunched together and try answer below. The 1950 cover reminded me of some of Otto Kuhler's material. Day's life span? Dare I say, sort of like the NYY pitching staff? Hmmm. The CB&Q used to clean domes at Denver on through trains - they had a car washer at the station, a mobile one, IIRC. Boris, we must drag out the flame safety lamp and see what's in the Zephyr section of the files.All right, let's take a look at Railroad Magazine.Back in the day, people used to read and there were a lot of magazines that provided steady employment to writers. There are all sorts of period pictures of newstands which will give you an idea of the range of titles available.Railroad Man's Magazine was one of these. Google Railroad Man's Magazine and you can find out more about the publication's history. It was a typical "pulp" magazine of the periods with a variety of stories (real and fictional). Authors such as Harry Bedwell used to write for it. It was never like Trains, as it began in a different era and was aimed at a different readership. In time it became known as Railroad Magazine. I subscribed to it for more than few years because it was about the only place where you could find locomotive roster information. They also had a photo exchange feature and I recall some of my ancient railroad friends talking about swapping (get this) postcard format negatives of locomotive pictures; again, another subset for further study. No, Boris, it wasn't H.W. Pontin and the Rail Photo Service. That's another story for another time.Freeman Hubbard was the man behind the curtain at the magazine. He was truly a piece of work, and anyone who remembers him, as I do, will tell you that he marched to his own drummer. Hubbard was the author of several classic railroad titles including Railroad Avenue, and the Railroad Caboose. These are still worth reading. Later on, Railroad got picked up and folded into Railfan. Thus the title Railfan and Railroad. I can't remember which issue(s) were involved, but Railroad History had a series about railroad fiction and about Hubbard which will give you a lot more background. Hope this helps a little. Work safe LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:00 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a splash ‘n that should be it for awhile . . . treats for the crittAHs Boris, then the PPF is for YOU! Ah yes, keep the change my lovely! <blush> Happy Birthday BELATEDLY to RON You really are OLD, huh First off need to mention the fine background provided by CM3 I'm NOT Shane! regarding the Railroad Magazine! Nicely done Shane ‘n something many of us have been curious about. You were "right on" with the comments about how people USED to read! Yeah, I remember . . . Of course I recall those red-white ‘n blue paint schemes for the State of Maine box cars. Came about at a time when the majority of passing freights were in "box car red" or something similarly "exciting" to watch. Colors weren't quite "in" yet . . . but there were so many railroad names! Still paying three bucks for a gallon of "gold" at our favorite Gulf station . . . Really overcast ‘round here with thunder boomers expected. Gotta get the Mrs. to stand near the "rabbit ears"!! <grin>Oh yeah candle pins were common round here some years back. Not sure that it still is - been "forever" since I've been bowling. Another great "sport" to enjoy a "few" at! For Eric: Yeah, I know Vallejo has more than one railroad car - but the point was I didn't go there to look at trains. Totally different reason. Maybe one day I'll get back up there . . . but I'm seriously hope NOT to evAH return to the left coast! <arrrrrggggghhhhh. Just call it "burned out" after all these years . . .Nice photo of Da Boyz! For Pete: Finally some more photos from Balboa Park in San Diego! Been quite some time since I was there, but the model railroad building is one worth visiting, for sure! Tell us more about those models in the pix!!That bridge is something else - looks like a well place two-incher <firecracker> would just about "do it"! For Per: In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson designated October 9th as "Leif Ericsson Day" in the U.S. in recognition of Leif's arrival in North America around the year 1000 AD. Don't know WHY I didn't mention it! <arrrrggghhhh> Something about the NINTH - B'day for Ron - and - Leif Ericsson's Day! Thanks for the reminder on the latter! In reading your post I think you may have my commentary mixed with someone else's. BUT, no problem, we "roll with it" here at the Watering Hole by the Wayside! <grin>Some great model RR shots! I'd like to see an "aerial view" of that layout one day . . .Another great effort from you ‘n if you keep it up, YOU'LL be setting the example for the rest of us. <arrrrrgggghhhhh> I have trouble as it is doing my dailies! <grin>For Allan: Really top shelf of you to pick up on Ron's B'day! Have one on me, mate! Also glad that things are ok where you are with reference to the earthquake of a week or so ago. For Jan: Fine looking steamers ‘n thought provoking questions. We have more than a couple of guys who will address those points. I think that "back in the day" with the competition between the railroads being so active (especially the passenger roads) that many a board room tried to come up with new ‘n innovate ways to "top" the other guy. Surely that was why the "shrouds" came into being for the steam locos. But as I said, I'll yield to the guys who know much more about this than I.Hey Bossman! Loved the covers for the Railroad Magazine ‘n like the fact that some dialogue came out of it too. Kinda brings us back to the way things used to be ‘round here, huh Also, don't be too hard on yourself about missing a B'day . . . after all, the other guys had the info ‘n cudda jumped on it <as Allan did>. So it's nothing you should feel responsible about. Have one on me! DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:03 AM Hello Tom and all in Pint of Batham's mild please. Again my apols for a very quick visit (Happy Birthday Ron!) - only managed to do a quick picture scan - which I've enjoyed.Real reason was to drop a note in for Pete - Pete - glad you enjoyed the BTF films - rather good of the British Film Institute to pick up the tab for remastering the film stock - as you may know they have released 6 vols of double DVDs of BTF films so far in UK - with another 2 vols in the planning I beleive!Anyway - I see from my claendar of Rob Foxon screened vintage rail films that he is due to screen films at the Benn Hall in Rugby on I think 17th October in the eve (19.30 hrs?) - if I'm right in thinking you still have Rugby based mates you might want to pass that info on to them if they do not already know - the film screenings always include some BTF stuff and other vintage film of top quality - often amateur stuff. I'm going to see the screening in Newark on 18th - title LMS film Unit - which includes much film of Royal Scot tour of the USA in the 1930s plus film inside the LMS works in the 30s and no doubt other great stuff.Regards to allDL siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:02 PM G'day Gents!Time again for a Blast from the Past! Something from the archives of the "Our" Place Nostalgia Passenger Trains of days long gone . . . . PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #59 Here's something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection: <A form of this was initially Poted on Page 222 of the Original Thread on 17 Jan 2006> Easy Does It . . . when the family goes New York Central Easy on Dad! No traffic to tire him. No white line to watch. When New York Central does the driving, he's free to read, nap, or enjoy the wonderful Water Level Route scenery that parades past his big picture window. Easy on Mother, because her mind's at ease about the youngsters. Not back-seat fidgets. No frequent roadside stops. Everything the children need is right at hand. And they couldn't be safer at home! Easy on the Kids! They don't have to stay put in their seats. There's plenty of room to move about. And there's the extra thrill of those famous New York Central meals in the diner, with their own, thrifty Children's Menu to choose from. Easy on the Budget! Round-trip coach fares are low. And special Family Tickets cut them so much as 50% or even more. Ask your New York Central ticket agent all about them. NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROADThe Water Level Route * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The eastbound 20th Century Limited near Breakneck Mountain, New York (Courtesy of artist: Gilbert Bennett - www.xmission.com) Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:07 PM Hi Tom and all.A round please RUTH to celebrate RON's Time. I think I have put the wrong description down for yesterday's photos. The layout was the HO gauge, San Diego & Arizona Eastern. It is the Goat Canyon Trestle over the Carriso Gorge. Sorry about that folks.ALLAN Thanks for the info on the Charltons, it must have been the Killingworth connection I was thinking of.The Deltics were a worthy successor to the East Coast top link locomotives; they had to be special to take over from the A4s. There is a rumour about, that during the Deltic's last days a very fast speed was obtained by one on the Hull Executive train, they are probably waiting for those involved in it to retire before it comes out. Thanks for the link to Napier.At your club I bet Rugby is a taboo subject at the minute. I guess they would be pleased England beat the Aussies but would be shocked with the French winning over the All Blacks. The Quarter Final draw seemed mighty one sided to me with the New Zealand group being very tough. England V France Saturday. I must admit I would rather we would lose by 100 points to NZ than by 1 point to the French. It was on BBC America showing the New Zealand team arriving home, it was good to see the fans give the team a good welcome back, Rugby fans are great. PER I doubt very much it would have been a Deltic through Maidenhead as they worked the East Coast route from London To Edinburgh, although in their last days they did work railfan specials to other places, and in preservation days they have reached places they never got too in BR days, in fact I don't think we had a production Deltic through my home town of Rugby until preservation days. For a few summers a Deltic worked a train from Birmingham to Ramsgate and back on summer Saturdays for Virgin Trains, I think the train had more railfans on it than holidaymakers.If you could tell me the year you was in Maidenhead I should be able to tell you what diesel classes were running through there at the time.The Deltic you probably saw was the prototype that was in the Science Museum in London, now at a museum in Shildon in the North East of England. It is painted a light blue and is very American F class looking, although it has a cab each end, there is a place for a headlight which was never used on BR. It was built in 1955 by the English Electric Company,and was first tested on the West Coast route. I can remember seeing her at Rugby, then she was used on the East Coast route, which resulted in the order of 22 prototype locos introduced in 1961. BR never owned the original. A friend, who was a signalman, told me that one day he was at Newbold signalbox when he got the 'train entering section' code for The Red Rose London to Liverpool express, next thing he knew the blue Deltic was passing his box. He rang the signal man who had sent the train entering section code and said he had given him a short section, meaning he had sent the Code late, but he hadn't. It was just that the Deltic had such great acceleration compared to the steam and the very few other diesels that were running at the time. I dare say if the West Coast had not gone in for Electrification we may have had Deltics.Many thanks for the great photos. 4361 looks great on the trestle.ERIC Many thanks for the link to the DVD players; it looks very much like I shall have to invest in one.It is great to see the Rendezvous pic again, it must be a rare photo of me as there is no black bag, it was probably drying out.Thanks for the info on the Z65 are any still in use still, I guess some have been preservedJAN Yes Our Place is quite addictive.Many thanks for that great photo, of the SP Alcos http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A11815175I have found this link which gives great info on the developement of the Deltic engine, I did not know.Bit later on when it mentions nameplates on the locomotive front.Perhaps LARS can add something about the engine's marine use before being adapted for the locomotive. CM3 Many thanks for the very interesting information on the Railroad Magazine. Freeman Hubbard sounds quite a character.There still seems to be a few magazines on railroads still, certainly in the UK. I really hope that they don't forsake the printed version and go for downloads on the web you can subscribe too in the future.LARS That's an idea an Our Place Bowling team that is if we survive the upcoming darts ma « First«79808182838485»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Breakfast Blend); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Let's see what's happening today.
Jan stopped by with pictures and other comments. Enlarge the picture of the ATSF helper and check out the cars; large o/b cars and 40' ones. Again, something to date the picture. Jan wind s the Bellefontaine contest - enjoy your prize, sir!
DD1 Sent an excellent post. There is a lot to be said for not having a camera as it forces one to concentrate. Please keep us posted on the 1-C-1 model.
Pete - Candlepins is largely a NE U.S. phenomenon. I recall playing lots of candlepins when I lived in that part of the world. There was also a locally produced TV show called "Candlepins for Cash" that ran on TV in Boston for years; great commercials, believe me! BTW, a near miss on Bellefontaine - nice try!!
Eric - thanks for the information on the locomotive. Incidentally, think moose and you think Bangor and Aroostook or Maine Central. Yrs back a fellow by the name of Marshall Dodge (some may remember him) produced a record of Maine-based humor titled "Bert and I." Truly good stuff. One of my favorite cuts on the album involved a fellow who won a radio contest. The prize was a trip to New York. He, of course, traveled by train (Maine Central) and encountered various misadventures along the way; one of which involved the locomotive (steam) hitting a moose. This was done with full sound effects. Anyway, the moose made out better than the locomotive which in some cases is not too far from the truth. The Flen station is beautiful - not a piece of trash or paper in sight. Is the overhead cantilever? No, Boris, I can't even say, "Cantilever catenary," let alone use it in a sentence.
Lars stopped in with sports commentary, other observations, and some fine looking model locomotives. Good to hear from you! was looking at the New York papers yesterday and it seems as though the Yankees are in their usual dysfunctional state (breaks my heart)! Go, Giants!
OSP exercising his bar owner's right, provided historical commentary. Sounds like you have been reading the book I suggested awhile back. Oh, almost forgot, I'm well into the book relay item; work cuts into leisure time, etc. IIRC, baseballs schedules usually come out in November - this year the "World's Serious," (what my neighbor calls the Fall Classic) will probably be going on. Game on, indeed! A buddy has tickets to see Washington and Vancouver play in about two weeks in D.C.
and several other powerful and not very printfriendly expressions......
Here we go again..... Take two! Aaaaand ACTION!!
Greetings Tom and fellow classic trains worshippers....
First of all, you have to excuse my rather uncivilized, barbaric and savage outburst here people.... But all these cannot find server......error etc. on this website is doing me head in. Here I had made some comments to you lads and what happened when I pressed the POST button? Yep, you're right on brothers.....
DD1, I really look forward to your finished model mate.....
pwolfe, I've yet to have the pleasure to hear the sound of a Deltic diesel...
EricX2000, that is one thing that I miss as well mate. Driving for hours and see nothing but trees. You see, my dad loves to drive those narrow dirt roads....
You don't by any chance have any pics to share from Malmbanan?
Tom, have a dram on me mate!
Da Larsman, I wonder how they're gonna explain away those Viking settlements that they've found up there.... Nice pics mate, as always.
coalminer3, I won!? Yaaaayyyyy!!! Twist.....turn.....skip.....moonwalk and sliiiide....YEAH! Here's to your health, wealth and happiness gentlemen.....Cheers!
Just a wee question fellas....how many of you have had the chance to cook lunch in the firebox of a steam locomotive? I've done it a "few" times, eggs, bacon, burgers, sausages.....etc. You can't beat a good properly cooked steam locomotive steak....
Have a really nice day and take care,
See you around the corner.....
Hmmmm.....let's see...right click and copy and.....POST!
Greeting young Master Tom and fellow dignitaries.....
May I trouble you for a refill please? Extra cold Guinness for me, top up with cigars for lads....thank you kindly. Here something for yourself. $$
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....
I know that it's OPTIONAL TOY & MODEL TRAINS DAY! today, but I just thought that I'd try to get some yapping going here to live things up here, not that it's really necessary to do that. OK!!! WHO through that wet rag !? *dries himself*
Anyhoo, we all know that N&W.....
Reading.....
PRR....
and Milwaukee Road.....
....all had the knowledge, engineers, workforce and facilities to build their own locomotives and for Milwaukee Road thousands of freight and passenger cars.
How did their design departments, engineers, shop workers, facilities etc compare to each other? Who had that little edge above the others in machinery and quality of work and maintenance? Also, which other railroads were in the same seat that could build their own locomotives? Did they ever have a sneak peak over the competitions work and thinking....hey, I can improve on that design....
Have a nice day and take care....
Credit: northeastrailfan and toltecimages.....
Now Arriving on Track #1
A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!
Number Two
(1) RR Magazine - 1952 - Destination Pittsburgh
(2) RR Magazine - 1945 - The Mighty Railway
(3) RR Magazine - 1950 - Through the Night
(4) RR Magazine - 1943 - Working on the Railroad
(5) RR Magazine - 1952 - Sea Isle
Enjoy!
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ERIC I don't know what tactics we can use to beat the Second Class Saloon ladies, I guess our only hope is that H&H get jealous.
The photo I was asking was the one you posted yesterday morning of Hallsberg Sweden in 1975.There are some good locomotives in the photo, I was wondering about the red and black one nearest the camera, it could by a loco used for track work.
It will be surprising how fast the Rendezvous will be here.
Thanks for the photo of that great station at Flen.
LARS The game you played sounds very much a version of table skittles, I must admit I played better with a good intake of beer, I think it is a vital part of the game, I had to make sure I had a pint to sup between throws. Then after the game proper there was the ‘Beer Horse" where both teams went in turn added up their scores and best out of three with the losers buying a pint for the opponents.
I felt like I had had too much ‘Activity' but without the pleasure.
Many thanks for those photos and info on the very well detailed Swiss and German models from Roco, Fleischmann, Marklin and Trix. I noticed that rather unusual 5 axle tender on the German 05 locomotive
CM3 It would interesting to know where the Candle Pins originally came from, do you think ten-pin bowling came from it.
Talking of moose damaging trains, I recall reading a while ago that a diesel locomotive in Bangladesh ran into a baby elephant, the mother elephant saw what happened and attacked the loco wrecking it.
JAN Sorry you are having problems with the computer, last couple of days I have had to start again to get a wireless connection, it says ‘no connection, then I have to switch it off then on again and it seems OK.
I think there may be a preserved Deltic on the main line again soon so it should be possible to hear one again. The Deltics are allowed on the West Highland Line they must sound great on the grades there.
Many thanks for the photos, that is a great subject to debate as to the comparisons of the different locomotive builders owned by the railroad. It will be good to hear if any of the top designers of one company were poached by another. In the UK there was a great rivalry between Derby and Crewe Works of the LMS and of course the Great Western's Swindon Works and everybody else.
TOM It is good to get some cooler weather here, I am ready for it.
As you say the windows on the Denali Star will make people want to return, along with the service on the train, really if a train contains a dome or a sightseer lounge the windows ought to be kept clean. It was very noticeable even the freight locomotives on Alaska rail were in immaculate condition, which to me shows a pride in the railroad.
We were lucky on the Chief as the windows were quite good and I think the VIA dome we had was in good condition. I wonder in the old days if they would clean the car's windows while the train was stopped at a station en-route. I guess we will never get a really clean window between St Louis and Kansas City as the I suppose the train would last have the windows cleaned in Chicago, it would interesting to know how often the cars are cleaned.
I will have a look at that DVD player thanks.
Many thanks for those great Railroad Magazine covers. I wonder when it finished being published whether it just stopped coming out or it was taken over and amalgamated into another magazine. I'm looking forward to have a read of some at the Library at The Rendezvous..
Luckily the bride has some photos of the great model railway in San Diego, especially after my feeble effort, enough for a couple of weeks
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of TUI`s for the crew please Leon.
Ron. Happy Birthday mate, HAPPY BIRTHDAY , have a good ONE. I do most of my drinking in the NZ Ex-servicemens club, very similar to your American Legion set up, we are not allowed to discuss politics or religion on the club premises so we have a very friendly atmosphere.
Tom. Enjoyed all your interesting posts and pics, great covers and great pics of your Alaska trip. We did`nt feel that shake last week, it was centered in the South Island, we do get quite a few shake`s here in Hawke`s Bay, Napier the port city 40 miles north of us was flattened by a 7.8 quake in 1931, it was totally rebuilt in Art Deco style. their is an interesting site at;
http://www.artdeconapier.com/
Hope you get some of those NZ mussel`s, Ron says he finds them at Chinese restuarants where he lives.
Pete. Still enjoying all the info and pics on your trip, great shots of the model railway at San Diego and all the other pics as well. Bobby and Jackie Charlton were born in Ashington, reputed to be the biggest "Pit" village in the world, George Stephenson was born in Wylam on the River Tyne, he worked at Killingworth mine for a while which is quite close to Ashington.
Per. Great pics of 3751, SF Northerns are my favourite steam loco, after the LNER A4 of course!
Eric. Great pic of the 2nd Class Saloon, hope some of the Harvey Girls frequent the place! Also great shots of your old home and garden, looks very much like some parts of NZ by the look of them. were you allowed to hunt the deer there? Deer hunting is BIG business over here, venison can be a lot cheaper than beef, venison sausage`s are a great favourite of mine!
Lars. Really enjoying all your book covers and steam pic posts, and the model loco`s as well!
Jan. Great steam loco pics as usual mate, keep them coming, I used to travel behind the East Coast line "Deltics" on the Tees/Tyne Pullman and the "Flying Scotsman" in the 60`s, they were very powerful machines, 3000hp, and cruised at 100mph plus!
CM3. Very interesting info on your posts mate.
Fergie. Nice to see you on board again.
See ya, Allan
From the Birthday Watch List 2007!
October 9th (Ron - 73)BOILED PEANUTS (Sept 24 - Oct 23) You have a passionate desire to help your fellow man. Unfortunately, those who know you best, your friends and loved ones, may find that your personality is much too salty, and their criticism will affect you deeply because you are really much softer than you appear. You should go right ahead and marry anybody you want to because in a certain way, yours is a charmed life. On the road of life, you can be sure that people will always pull over and stop for you.
October 9th (Ron - 73)
BOILED PEANUTS (Sept 24 - Oct 23) You have a passionate desire to help your fellow man. Unfortunately, those who know you best, your friends and loved ones, may find that your personality is much too salty, and their criticism will affect you deeply because you are really much softer than you appear. You should go right ahead and marry anybody you want to because in a certain way, yours is a charmed life. On the road of life, you can be sure that people will always pull over and stop for you.
BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO RON!
Looks like the B'day Watch List "system" broke down - so in view of your recent <tweeting> 'n punishment - consider it forgiven! I WILL CLEAN THE SPITTOONS (inside 'n out) <yuck>
Thanx to Allan (Gunneral) for NOT fogetting!
Drinks on me in honor of Ron - and - Allan!
Good Evening everybody present, and Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Ayinger tonight, please. I hope you saved some of those PPF, Boris because they were all out of them today.
Let’s try another Oktoberfest drinking song:
O du lieber Augustin, Augustin, Augustin, o du lieber Augustin, alles ist hin. Geld ist weg, Mäd'l ist weg, alles weg, alles weg. O du lieber Augustin, alles ist hin.
Now that sounds much better. A lot of patrons tonight!
Today was the first cool day in Dallas in a very long time. Only 68 this morning and a high of around 86. Sunny and very dry air; it’s getting to be livable here for a little while. The price of petrol is steady at $2.619
Tom, Thank you once again for the translation. I’ll keep feeding German drinking songs during the week, then I’m afraid I will run out of them.
I’m counting the days to the Rendezvous, but there are a few “obstacles” that must be overcome before I can commit to participate. I saw in the pictures from this year’s Rendezvous that you have a Volvo so that is duly noted.
I think the next flight to Sweden just left, but there should be another one tomorrow!
You dug up a couple of magazines that I have never heard of. Was that a trade journal rather than a “hobby” magazine, like Trains is today? You sowed some very colorful and nice covers. What kind of content did that magazine have?
Eric, Yes, that diesel with my son was that year’s (2002) new engine on display in Fullerton. Amtrak comes with a bus every year, but in 2002 they had that special entertainment car that was used in Coast Starlight as well. No car this year, though (although a few private cars were open for visitors). Fullerton has become a parking spot for private cars. I guess the private tracks at LAUPT filled up.
There were a couple of comments on the engines in your Hallsberg picture, but do you know the background of the gray MOW passenger car on the left side?
I think I saw a V1 in Helsingborg back in the 50’s or early 60’s. They do look a lot like the V3.
That station in Flen is a real gem!
Looking at the map, it looks like you can do both Vallejo and Rocklin on the same day!
Jan Olov, I’m glad you liked the pics. Frankly, I don’t remember how much of the corner building has the mural on it, but it is at least two large windows wide. Apparently the whole block is a dedication to the song nowadays. I am planning to stop in Winslow on my way back to California, if for no other reason to spend a night in the old Harvey hotel there.
Great pictures! The ATSF helper across Tehachapi is great; outside braced box cars, an all. Seeing an engine in the middle of the train like that, I’m beginning to see the reason for those extra braces on the cars.
Change ISP! That’s all I can say. I had the same problem as you with my old ISP but all of that has gone away now (knock on wood). Just keep saving that work as you type along and then post it all in one fell swoop. That’ll do it.
I have no clue as to who built the best engines, but the MILW 4-8-4 would win the beauty contest if I was the judge!
Lars (Lovedomes), It turned out that Tuesday was “Leif Ericsson” day in Sweden, according to my wife who found a note in her Swedish calendar. I’m NOT holding my breath that that day will be celebrated, or even recognized, here. It’s like President Hansson, he did a few things, but none of them are recognized (although he got a US postage stamp a few years back).
I was around for a little bit during the old thread days. I agree there were much more activity back then, but hey, quality over quantity, right?
That commercial center in Rocklin, CA sounds a little bit like what they have in Barstow, but the Barstow line-up is not as ambitious as that in Rocklin. Barstow has, I think, two cars that are used as a fast food restaurant inside a tourist trap souvenir complex.
Thank you for the company background of the German MR manufacturers. It’s fun to read up a little bit about history and background of the companies you hear about. I’m amazed by the proportions of the class 05 engine. The drivers have just about the same diameter as the boiler!
Happy Belated Birthday, Ron
And have another boiled peanut on me!
Yes, the Big Boy must have been an experience! The largest engines I’ve seen, heard, and felt the presence of are the UP Challenger and the 8444 and also SP 4449. The Santa Fe 3751 in Fullerton was under steam but it didn’t move while I was there. I saw the SP and the UP race towards Cajon Pass after the LAUPT anniversary some 15 years ago. That was also a sight to remember! It makes sense that the Big Boy would have come from Cheyenne because that’s where UP keeps their on the roster steam engines. Part of the enormous steam facility is kept just for these engines. There was an article about that facility in the “Streamliner” magazine a while back.
I’m glad Eric promised you some close-up pictures of the D engine. You made a wonderful drawing, but considering the scale you are going to built it in, you need some detail shots of a few things on that machine. FIVE feet long! Wow! I have always wondered if it is easier to build a model in a large scale than in a small. At first thought it ought to be, but then I think of all those extra details that need to go on the model and I’m
Leon, I'll have a double cheese burger with curly fries! Rootbeer, Thank you.
A Very belated Happy Birthday Ron!!!
I completely missed it! Shame on me. Free drinks on me the rest of the week!!! Hope you had a very nice day.
Tom – Never experienced spotless windows with Amtrak? I am happy to say I have with the X2000. It happened a few times that they actually hand washed the entire train set in Washington D.C.!!! Including all windows! But usually it was washed in the regular “train” wash at Ivy City. I am afraid I don’t have the departure times for flights to Sweden from St. Louis. In worst case you can take the train to Chicago. Flights for Scandinavia usually leave in the late afternoon. You are right, I loved living in the forest! All the birds singing in the spring. Most evenings when I came home from work I made myself a cup of coffee, sat down on the back porch, and drank while feeling completely relaxed! Interesting magazine covers! I guess they thought it would be too expensive to have photographs on the cover. Cover #4 is from “my” year!Lars – There are more than one railroad car in Vallejo! I’ve been through there myself, but don’t remember I saw any dome cars or anything like that. Nice model pictures! I have to figure out a solution how to make room for my display! CM3 – A moose can cause a lot of damage to a locomotive/train. Usually it causes an emergency brake application, which in turn many times causes flat spots on a number of wheels. In rare cases there might be much worse damage. I have hit a number of moose with trains over the years but have been lucky with only minor damage. I was the first one to hit a moose with the X2000! Yes, it is cantilever overhead in most places in Sweden, including Flen.JanOlov – I have a few pictures from Malmbanan that I took when we run the “winter”-tests with the X2000 there in February 1990. But they do not show any nice mountain views, just a lot of snow. Quite a few good questions about steam engines built by the railroads. I am afraid I am totally out of time for any research this week. Maybe you will get some answers by other guests!Very nice pictures of those steam locomotives!Pete – If you need a DVD-player that can play any DVD, NTSC and/or PAL you will find one on this link. Just $69!! http://www.220-electronics.com/google.htmThe little red and blue locomotive is a Class Z65. It is a very small and mainly used for light switching.Thanks for the pictures from the San Diego Model Railraod Association! Very nice display. I remember those high trestles! I am sure I have them on pictures as well. Have to find them!Allan – I don’t know about the Harvey Girls and the Second Class Saloon, but the Swedish Bikini Team spend a lot of time there! I could hunt deer if I wanted to, but I like them better alive so I didn’t. Deer and, especially, moose hunting is a big thing in Sweden. I never heard of venison sausage though. Per – I am afraid I don’t know anything about the MOW car. Give me the weekend and I’ll see if I can find out what it used to be. What is going on in Fullerton every year? Vallejo and Rocklin the same day is very possible. Maybe next year when I have so much more time for myself! I don’t remember exactly how many railroad cars they have in barstow for McDonald’s and some opther businesses. I haven’t been there for several years. Nice pictures of a very nice locomotive!!. But how could you just let it pass Wylie? You should have stopped it there.
Another thing I know that you know is that Tom is driving a very nice Volvo Wagon of late model. You will get a free ride in it (right Tom?) when you show up in St. Louis next May! Here is a pictureof that nice Volvo during the 2nd Annual Rendezvous in May this year!
Come and try it!
Put away the shorts ‘n break out the long sleeved sweatshirts, Fall has arrived! Best time of the year in my-not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN!
Heading out this morning for a breakfast with a friend, but y'all can surely partake in the bill o' fare offered at "Our" Place! Freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery - along with <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from our Menu Board!
Petrol is at $2.50 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner" . . .
Lars (LoveDomes) at 8:30 AM: We also got a kick out of the reference to "Canadian Soldiers" made during that playoff game in Cleveland. Apparently those flying-ant-like insects spawned due to the unusually warm ‘n moist conditions with a life-span of about a day or so. Couldn't have happened at a more inopportune time - for the Yankees that is! <grin>
Can't help you with whatever game you were trying to play while in Merry Olde - but I'll tell ya this - DARTS in Canada (particularly St. Johns, Newfoundland) used to be MY strong suit. Made some money ‘n hardly ever had to buy the beer. Ahhhh, those were the daze! I wouldn't know a SKITTLE from a SKILLET!! <uh oh>
Many thanx for the continuing interest in keeping our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! going on Wednesdays. Enjoyed the 2nd round of Euro model trains. Trix loco is "interesting"! Marklin ‘n Fleischmann German models are sure BEASTS!
Rounds ‘n visit appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:43 AM: Actually "that" book is still on the shelf, awaiting its turn! I'm sooooooo backed up on my reading that it's pathetic - simply pathetic. My bad!
I've got Boris tuned in' to the MLB web site for the 2008 hardball sked! <uh oh>
About a zillion years ago I recall taking in a hockey game in DC . . . crowd kinda reminded me of LA in that there were just as many cheering for the opposition as for the home team. Transients ALL! Sounds like a fun time coming up for you ‘n your friend!
Hate to think of the poor Moose - but they are tough critters ‘n I've seen what happens to cars when Moose-encounters occur . . . <grim>
Used to have a Candlepin league in Staten Island when I was a kid . . . I never engaged in it, but I recall it being around. Ahhhh, the good ole daze - setting pins at 25 cents a lane. Yeah buddy - big money!
Round ‘n Herr Wurlitzer quarters most appreciated!
Jan (JanOlov) at 11:02 AM & 1:54 PM: Forum Gremlins THRIVE on devouring Posts <chomp> <chomp> <burp> Happens!
You posed some interesting thoughts regarding the steamers (nice Pix by the by!!) - anyway, I hope the guys pick up on your offering for discussion!
A mighty looking N&W loco!
Appreciate the visits, rounds ‘n cash!
Pete (pwolfe) at 5 PM: Was hoping to see more model trains fotos from SDiego ‘n you didn't disappoint! I haven't been to that museum since 1988 ‘n recall your mentioning that one must pay to enter. Don't recall that at all! I DO remember one huge N scale layout ‘n I mean huge! Your Pix bring back some memories in that the N scale was totally desert southwest . . . was this also N scale??? Nice stuff!
If those dome windows in the VIA Rail Chaleur Skyline Dome Car were to be put next to the dome glass of the Alaska RR UltraDome car you'd quickly notice the difference. You'd think the VIA Rail glass needed replacement - there's THAT much of a difference!
On one of our round trips across Canada (late spring) we had the train glass thoroughly scrubbed at our refueling stop in Jasper, Alberta. The next time we made the trip (winter) the temps were far too cold for that sort of thing . . . So, it does still happen in some places. Never, ever experienced such a thing with Amtrak - it's kinda "take what we give you." Dirty windows.
I've tried to find out what happened to the Railroad Magazine - however it's one of those most difficult combination of words to employ with a search engine. Even using the "advanced search" feature keeps going "circular." Gave up on it . . . I do know the magazine is no longer in print . . . Originally was called the Railroad Man's Magazine.
Thanx for the visit ‘n round!
Greetings Tom and fellow members of House of Lords.....
Could I trouble you for an extra cold Guinness, top up with cigars for the lads please? Here's something for yourself....$$
RON
Tom, I really like the covers of RAILROAD Magazine . I've seen them on ebay, still do. Would you mind tell me what kind of magazine it is, beside that it's a railroad one. Is it somekind of business magazine or more like todays TRAINS? Is it a good one, I've been thinking from time to time to buy one just of curiousity.....
pwolfe, I don't really that much problems with my computer. I've more problems getting to this forum to be honest. Hopefully it'll be a while before we get another ERROR message here and have to wait to log in.... This forum "our place" has become an addiction to me....
That must be an awesome layout... As I've mentioned before, a couple of my closest friends want me to move home again so we can build a layout together. It would have flatlands of the midwest for Erie-Lackawanna which my friend Michael obsessed with, Rio Grande for my other friend Lennart and Milwaukee Road for me, which means plenty of mountain railroading . Of course we'll have our other companies as well....
Gunneral, it looks like I have to Google these Deltic diesels to see what the big deal is with them Do they sound just as good as the old and trusty GP and SD-7/9 or Alco's? riding the Tees/Tyne Pullman and the "Flying Scotsman" in the '60s, eh? What was that like? The service back then must have quite the contrast to todays, well......service?
marthastrainyard, I've had more problems getting to this forum than problems with my computer . But it doesn't hurt to keep your eyes open for other good deals, right? Great pics as always mate and I'm always looking forward to see more from you....
EricX2000, I remember winters up north *shiver*, not just a tad bit cold but also snow up to your nose. My dad used to rent Banvaktstugan i Storlien every now and then, one year he had to dig a tunnel to get to the front door, it was snow almost up to the top of the roof..... I loved that place when NSB was still running those great Di-3's there....what a sound with them on their way up the hill....
Since one of our members here have a slight obsession towards Alco's and their PA's etc, I thought that I'd post this photo as a daily "fix" to ease their addiction.....
Photographer: Unknown.....
Credit: Northeastrailfan.
Have nice day and take care fellas....and see you around the corner.
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please (something form the pastry case as it's a cool day here this a.m.); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.85 and we have had a forty degree temperature drop over a day and a half. K9 Korps loves it.
Here goes in no special order.
Happy Birthday to DD1 - and many more!
Jan stopped by - You may want to check out the Illinois Central as they are another road that built quite a bit of their own power and also r/b a lot as well. The L&N is another road you may want to add to your list to look at as well. I enjoyed the picture of the pair of SP PAs with the E7B in the middle.
Pete stopped by. Thanks for the pictures. Tehachapi is one place I have never visited - it's on the list, though.
Allan visited as well- Good to hear from you!
Per had a freight car question. The red/white/blue scheme was for "State of Maine Products" - not "Potatoes." Manufacturer's license (snargh!)
In real life, both the BAR and the New Haven had cars in that scheme. They were all over the place when I was a pup.
Models of both have been produced over the years in all scales. I have them in O, HO and N; the latest version is by Atlas in N scale (both roads, too. One of Mmy HO cars (New Haven version) sits on one of the bookcases in my office. It was made mannnny yrs ago by an outfit called New England Models - one of the best versions I have ever seen because the lettering is so hard to do. White on blue on the top third of the car side, blue on white in the middle and white on red in the middle. IIRC, the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic has some of these cars in service lettered for the MMA.
Eric - I ask and I learn. Thanks for the catenary information. I figured there had to be a moose story in there somewhere (lol).
OSP sent some pictures which raised a lot of questions among the barflies (excuse me, illustrious patrons), which I bunched together and try answer below. The 1950 cover reminded me of some of Otto Kuhler's material. Day's life span? Dare I say, sort of like the NYY pitching staff? Hmmm. The CB&Q used to clean domes at Denver on through trains - they had a car washer at the station, a mobile one, IIRC. Boris, we must drag out the flame safety lamp and see what's in the Zephyr section of the files.
All right, let's take a look at Railroad Magazine.
Back in the day, people used to read and there were a lot of magazines that provided steady employment to writers. There are all sorts of period pictures of newstands which will give you an idea of the range of titles available.
Railroad Man's Magazine was one of these. Google Railroad Man's Magazine and you can find out more about the publication's history. It was a typical "pulp" magazine of the periods with a variety of stories (real and fictional). Authors such as Harry Bedwell used to write for it. It was never like Trains, as it began in a different era and was aimed at a different readership.
In time it became known as Railroad Magazine. I subscribed to it for more than few years because it was about the only place where you could find locomotive roster information. They also had a photo exchange feature and I recall some of my ancient railroad friends talking about swapping (get this) postcard format negatives of locomotive pictures; again, another subset for further study. No, Boris, it wasn't H.W. Pontin and the Rail Photo Service. That's another story for another time.
Freeman Hubbard was the man behind the curtain at the magazine. He was truly a piece of work, and anyone who remembers him, as I do, will tell you that he marched to his own drummer. Hubbard was the author of several classic railroad titles including Railroad Avenue, and the Railroad Caboose. These are still worth reading. Later on, Railroad got picked up and folded into Railfan. Thus the title Railfan and Railroad. I can't remember which issue(s) were involved, but Railroad History had a series about railroad fiction and about Hubbard which will give you a lot more background. Hope this helps a little.
Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a splash ‘n that should be it for awhile . . . treats for the crittAHs Boris, then the PPF is for YOU! Ah yes, keep the change my lovely! <blush>
Happy Birthday BELATEDLY to RON You really are OLD, huh
First off need to mention the fine background provided by CM3 I'm NOT Shane! regarding the Railroad Magazine! Nicely done Shane ‘n something many of us have been curious about. You were "right on" with the comments about how people USED to read! Yeah, I remember . . .
Of course I recall those red-white ‘n blue paint schemes for the State of Maine box cars. Came about at a time when the majority of passing freights were in "box car red" or something similarly "exciting" to watch. Colors weren't quite "in" yet . . . but there were so many railroad names!
Still paying three bucks for a gallon of "gold" at our favorite Gulf station . . . Really overcast ‘round here with thunder boomers expected. Gotta get the Mrs. to stand near the "rabbit ears"!! <grin>
Oh yeah candle pins were common round here some years back. Not sure that it still is - been "forever" since I've been bowling. Another great "sport" to enjoy a "few" at!
For Eric: Yeah, I know Vallejo has more than one railroad car - but the point was I didn't go there to look at trains. Totally different reason. Maybe one day I'll get back up there . . . but I'm seriously hope NOT to evAH return to the left coast! <arrrrrggggghhhhh. Just call it "burned out" after all these years . . .
Nice photo of Da Boyz!
For Pete: Finally some more photos from Balboa Park in San Diego! Been quite some time since I was there, but the model railroad building is one worth visiting, for sure! Tell us more about those models in the pix!!
That bridge is something else - looks like a well place two-incher <firecracker> would just about "do it"!
For Per: In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson designated October 9th as "Leif Ericsson Day" in the U.S. in recognition of Leif's arrival in North America around the year 1000 AD.
In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson designated October 9th as "Leif Ericsson Day" in the U.S. in recognition of Leif's arrival in North America around the year 1000 AD.
Don't know WHY I didn't mention it! <arrrrggghhhh> Something about the NINTH - B'day for Ron - and - Leif Ericsson's Day! Thanks for the reminder on the latter!
In reading your post I think you may have my commentary mixed with someone else's. BUT, no problem, we "roll with it" here at the Watering Hole by the Wayside! <grin>
Some great model RR shots! I'd like to see an "aerial view" of that layout one day . . .
Another great effort from you ‘n if you keep it up, YOU'LL be setting the example for the rest of us. <arrrrrgggghhhhh> I have trouble as it is doing my dailies! <grin>
For Allan: Really top shelf of you to pick up on Ron's B'day! Have one on me, mate! Also glad that things are ok where you are with reference to the earthquake of a week or so ago.
For Jan: Fine looking steamers ‘n thought provoking questions. We have more than a couple of guys who will address those points. I think that "back in the day" with the competition between the railroads being so active (especially the passenger roads) that many a board room tried to come up with new ‘n innovate ways to "top" the other guy. Surely that was why the "shrouds" came into being for the steam locos. But as I said, I'll yield to the guys who know much more about this than I.
Hey Bossman! Loved the covers for the Railroad Magazine ‘n like the fact that some dialogue came out of it too. Kinda brings us back to the way things used to be ‘round here, huh
Also, don't be too hard on yourself about missing a B'day . . . after all, the other guys had the info ‘n cudda jumped on it <as Allan did>. So it's nothing you should feel responsible about. Have one on me!
Hello Tom and all in
Pint of Batham's mild please. Again my apols for a very quick visit (Happy Birthday Ron!) - only managed to do a quick picture scan - which I've enjoyed.
Real reason was to drop a note in for Pete - Pete - glad you enjoyed the BTF films - rather good of the British Film Institute to pick up the tab for remastering the film stock - as you may know they have released 6 vols of double DVDs of BTF films so far in UK - with another 2 vols in the planning I beleive!
Anyway - I see from my claendar of Rob Foxon screened vintage rail films that he is due to screen films at the Benn Hall in Rugby on I think 17th October in the eve (19.30 hrs?) - if I'm right in thinking you still have Rugby based mates you might want to pass that info on to them if they do not already know - the film screenings always include some BTF stuff and other vintage film of top quality - often amateur stuff. I'm going to see the screening in Newark on 18th - title LMS film Unit - which includes much film of Royal Scot tour of the USA in the 1930s plus film inside the LMS works in the 30s and no doubt other great stuff.
Regards to all
DL
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #59
Here's something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection:
<A form of this was initially Poted on Page 222 of the Original Thread on 17 Jan 2006>
NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROADThe Water Level Route
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The eastbound 20th Century Limited near Breakneck Mountain, New York (Courtesy of artist: Gilbert Bennett - www.xmission.com)
Enjoy! Tom
A round please RUTH to celebrate RON's
Time. I think I have put the wrong description down for yesterday's photos. The layout was the HO gauge, San Diego & Arizona Eastern. It is the Goat Canyon Trestle over the Carriso Gorge. Sorry about that folks.
ALLAN Thanks for the info on the Charltons, it must have been the Killingworth connection I was thinking of.
The Deltics were a worthy successor to the East Coast top link locomotives; they had to be special to take over from the A4s. There is a rumour about, that during the Deltic's last days a very fast speed was obtained by one on the Hull Executive train, they are probably waiting for those involved in it to retire before it comes out.
Thanks for the link to Napier.
At your club I bet Rugby is a taboo subject at the minute. I guess they would be pleased England beat the Aussies but would be shocked with the French winning over the All Blacks. The Quarter Final draw seemed mighty one sided to me with the New Zealand group being very tough. England V France Saturday. I must admit I would rather we would lose by 100 points to NZ than by 1 point to the French. It was on BBC America showing the New Zealand team arriving home, it was good to see the fans give the team a good welcome back, Rugby fans are great.
PER I doubt very much it would have been a Deltic through Maidenhead as they worked the East Coast route from London To Edinburgh, although in their last days they did work railfan specials to other places, and in preservation days they have reached places they never got too in BR days, in fact I don't think we had a production Deltic through my home town of Rugby until preservation days. For a few summers a Deltic worked a train from Birmingham to Ramsgate and back on summer Saturdays for Virgin Trains, I think the train had more railfans on it than holidaymakers.
If you could tell me the year you was in Maidenhead I should be able to tell you what diesel classes were running through there at the time.
The Deltic you probably saw was the prototype that was in the Science Museum in London, now at a museum in Shildon in the North East of England. It is painted a light blue and is very American F class looking, although it has a cab each end, there is a place for a headlight which was never used on BR. It was built in 1955 by the English Electric Company,and was first tested on the West Coast route. I can remember seeing her at Rugby, then she was used on the East Coast route, which resulted in the order of 22 prototype locos introduced in 1961. BR never owned the original.
A friend, who was a signalman, told me that one day he was at Newbold signalbox when he got the 'train entering section' code for The Red Rose London to Liverpool express, next thing he knew the blue Deltic was passing his box. He rang the signal man who had sent the train entering section code and said he had given him a short section, meaning he had sent the Code late, but he hadn't. It was just that the Deltic had such great acceleration compared to the steam and the very few other diesels that were running at the time. I dare say if the West Coast had not gone in for Electrification we may have had Deltics.
Many thanks for the great photos. 4361 looks great on the trestle.
ERIC Many thanks for the link to the DVD players; it looks very much like I shall have to invest in one.
It is great to see the Rendezvous pic again, it must be a rare photo of me as there is no black bag, it was probably drying out.
Thanks for the info on the Z65 are any still in use still, I guess some have been preserved
JAN Yes Our Place is quite addictive.
Many thanks for that great photo, of the SP Alcos
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A11815175
I have found this link which gives great info on the developement of the Deltic engine, I did not know.Bit later on when it mentions nameplates on the locomotive front.Perhaps LARS can add something about the engine's marine use before being adapted for the locomotive.
CM3 Many thanks for the very interesting information on the Railroad Magazine. Freeman Hubbard sounds quite a character.
There still seems to be a few magazines on railroads still, certainly in the UK. I really hope that they don't forsake the printed version and go for downloads on the web you can subscribe too in the future.
LARS That's an idea an Our Place Bowling team that is if we survive the upcoming darts ma
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