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Wednesday's Witticism
Every jackass thinks he's got horse sense.
Guten Morgen allerseits!
Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!
Mid-week in mid-continent USA ‘n it appears that FALL has finally arrived! Significant downward trend in temps ‘n things are quite comfortable!
Enjoy the pastries, coffee ‘n breakfasts to begin your day!
Comments from the Proprietor:
OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Tuesday - Oct 9th:
Ron (DD1) at 2:51 PM: You, Sir are <tweeted> for Rules Violations! Rule #1 - failure to greet the barkeep! Rule #2 - failure to order drink or food! - Rule #5 - Hit ‘n Run Post! Penalty: Clean ‘n polish the spittoons <inside ‘n out) in the Rat's Patoot Room! <ugh>
Yeah I know you said you'd be "in ‘n out" BUT sufficient time elapsed from your last Post to where you shudda known better! <grin> ZAPPED! <uh oh>
Pete (pwolfe) at 5:24 PM: The windows on all three versions of the Alaska RR Denali Star that we traveled aboard had SPOTLESS windows - inside ‘n out. Something NEVER experienced with Amtrak or Via Rail I should add.
The trip from Anchorage to Fairbanks, about 12 hours, is a daily run during the long daylight period of spring ‘n summer. The overwhelming majority of travelers are tourists. There's little doubt that ARR wants to please the traveler ‘n hopes for their return through the manner in which they treat the paying passengers ‘n maintain their equipment. Something long lost down here, eh
Figured you'd return to the bar . . . things happen ‘n of course we all have our priorities. Hope whatever had you <down> has departed the scene!
Rendezvous III should be another success ‘n I'm in hopes that we'll at least get one more guy to commit . . . we had 3 in Toronto - 4 in St. Louis this past May - so 5 is the objective for 2008!
Recommend you do a "search" on MULTI-REGION DVD PLAYER . . . . you just may find something to fit your requirements.
Two rounds, visit ‘n inclusiveness of your Post most appreciated!
Wednesday - Oct 10th:
Eric (EricX2000) at 1:28 AM: Our Nocturnal Resident Desert Swede had me a bit concerned as I was "up" after mid-nite (Central) ‘n didn't see him! Surprise of surprises this AM to find that he didn't let us down! I shudda known bettAH - sorry, Mate!
Enthusiasm for Rendezvous III is contagious!
I LOVE that train station foto - simply a terrific shot. All that's missing are some people waiting for the trains!! Hmmmmm, perhaps a great looking gal, wrapped in something "cozy" looking ‘n just a "hint" of . . . . ENOUGH! When's the next flight to Sweden <grin>
You must have some grand memories of living in the forests . . . conjures up images of places I'd dearly love to experience. We have wild life frequenting our property ‘n it's hardly the wilderness ‘round here! Far too many deer that have been run out of their habitat by the never ending development of land. Moose ‘n bears though - nope - thankfully! <grin>
Always good to have your thoughts as the first to read for the new day!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Auf Wiedersehen!
Tom
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I am sorry but I am in a hurry so I'll just have a black cup of coffee! Keep the change. Thank you!
Found some interesting reading here again!
Tom – I was afraid that you had forgotten those girls! I am afraid they have already signed on for Second Class Saloon. Very disturbing indeed! I’ll tell Per about your Volvo wagon! Of course he has to come to St. Louis! Correction: I have not chosen the “wee hours” for my appearances! Those are the only hours available when all the chores are done! But who cares? As long as I am having fun it is okay!!Lars – Thank you very much for the history of #3606!!! Basically retired since 1970 but still hanging in there. Vallejo, CA. I have added the name of that town to a list of places to visit. It is located north of Oakland and is just a long day’s drive from here. Ron – I am afraid you are correct about too little support to get a Big Boy or Cab Forward under steam again. It would cost too much money. I think the only chance is that Hollywood decides to make a movie where they need a Big Boy or Cab Forward pulling a train. Thanks for the diesel-hydraulic article! Diesel-hydraulic locomotives are much more common in Europe than here. I love your fictional story! Don’t worry about any drawing copyright. The little drawing I posted was free to copy. Considering the size your model will have you'll need a lot of pictures of details. I’ll post some this weekend.I think your drawing look great! What is considered the front end (A) is the left end on your drawing.CM3 – I agree, deer and gardens don’t mix. I did not have any garden so the deer did not do any harm. Moose was kind of different story, much heavier and wasn’t that careful walking around the house, but no big deal.You are right, Class B is coal fired. JanOlov – SJ had only 4 class V1's and I have never seen any much less operated any. Basically the only thing I miss in this country is the Swedish forest! It is very special to me. You are correct about my picture, class Da (modern version of class D (Du)), T21, Z65 and Ub are the ones visible. Thanks for those nice pictures! One is from Williams, AZ, where you can catch the train to the Grand Canyon!Pete – The Ladies in the Second Class Saloon darts team look beautiful even before you have had any drinks. That is why they are so hard (impossible?) to beat!The tanks under the T43 are for diesel fuel. Yes, Amtrak’s Southwest Chief runs the route in my picture. I am not sure what picture you asking about? A small locomotive? Of course we should have an electronic device counting down the days to the 3rd Annual Rendezvous! I have a widget in my computer that is doing just that. 218 days to go!
A small town, Flen, railroad station in Sweden. Photo: Hans Polanik.
Eric
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams and a round please RUTH. The bride was on holiday yesterday but it was a lot of work around the house, doing mods, during the weekend, and I was bit under the weather yesterday evening.
RON The change in bars over here is a bit similar to what has happened in the UK, although it is still a pub culture there. The village pub along with the church was the center of a village, where it would be the same people in most nights, a lot of this has changed I think the main cause is the very steep increase in the price of beer, even when inflation is taken in to consideration. When some stop coming in it does not take very long before the others think it is not worth going as there will not be anyone to talk to. Quite a few villages in my area have lost the pub with it being converted to houses.
Luckily it is still possible to go to pubs that have not been altered and with the same atmosphere they have had for years. I guess we are lucky here in Missouri that there are at least two bars that have a great feeling to them Pat's Place near me, and the TrainWreck Saloon not far from Tom.
You are right about standing next to a large steam locomotive, there is nothing quite like it. It is a memory I shall never lose of going round steam locomotive sheds in the 1960s in Britain with lines of steam locomotives, many in steam on a Sunday.
I think one of the main problems of getting a Big Boy or a cab- forward in steam again is the size of them hence the massive cost, the locomotives of Britain are a lot smaller, even so overalls of them are getting more expensive. Really enjoyed the story of the UP 2-8-8-4 passing, thanks for sharing.
Many thanks for the Diesel Hydraulic post. As it says the Western Region of BR when with them, I think they could have lasted longer but BR wanted diesel-electrics. The second generation of Multiple Units chose hydraulic traction and are reliable.
Interesting about the ‘Candle Pin' game.
ERIC Ladies in the Second Class Saloon darts team. I'm sure after a few pints they will all look beautiful
Many thanks for the photos of your old house what a view from the window. I only got an old moggy or a squirrel at my old house in England from the kitchen window.
Many thanks for the photos taken by Hans. Those tanks below the T 43 diesel look very low to the track, do you know if they were air cylinders.
In the photo of Northern Arizona does the Amtrak Southwest Chief run on that route That is a small locomotive in today's photo, is it a small switcher
Do you think we ought to get an electronic counting device at the bar, like the one at Pat's Place here that count's down to St Paddy's Day, for counting down to the Rendezvous
PER Thanks for the drinking song.
Great photos of 3751 and it is great when a railroad sends a new locomotive to a Railroad Day.
Thanks for the info on #12. It is a great idea for the museum to run the steam train, as you say, it will bring a different group to the area, even those it did not know about it may see, the steam engine, while visiting old town, have a ride and then visit the nearby museum.
It would be a good idea to have a video of the cab-forwards in action next to the locomotive; it would give the youngsters an idea of what they looked like at work.
Looking forward to the model photos Wednesday.
Thanks for the photos of Arizona; Winslow was the first town I saw in Arizona, as it had got light by then on the Chief.
LARS Many thanks for those great dome cars and the book covers from some of the lesser-known lines.
It sounds as your dart training is exactly the same as mine. I'm sure you would do well at skittles, I will have to get Alan to take a photo of a table, but he is having problems with his computer at the moment.
I think the bride has found out about Sonia, hence all the work for me weekend, any way the room is finished and the bride is happ
Just stopped by to update progress on the 1-C-1 model. The drawing for the model is complete. The next stage is to break everything down into bite size pieces, handrails, headlight, whistle, drivers, etc, assign dimensions for 1/8 scale (1-1/2"=1'-0") and fabricate the pieces. Certain modeler's license must be taken, for example: the wood sides will be made from 1/8" Luan door skins. This would scale out to a 1" thick wall on the prototype. The finished model will measure 5' 3-3/4" long x 16-1/2" wide x 22 ¼" tall. Power will be an electric motor from a child's sidewalk car running on 12V batteries. The motor and gearing should be adequate to move the engine at a realistic scale speed. It may even have enough power to transport my grandkids (no live catenary). Hopefully I can finish this before the snows come and I will have to use the plows.
G'day Gents!
Just to get a leg up on the Posts . . .
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:16 AM: Don't blame you a bit for taking "off" from the book covers ‘n steamers for a day or more. What's the point if there's no one around!?
Can't comment on the whereabouts of Wolfman. He's usually quite considerate about these things, but this time - zero, zip, zilch from him. Probably got "snookered" by his Mrs. into doing something else - OR - never got out of that place he likes to hang out at!
Understand about the Rendezvous - I'll crank you in as "info" on future Emails . . .
Nice Post for the guys ‘n appreciate your taking the time to stop by with a round for the gang!
Ron (DD1) at 9:23 AM & 11:28 AM & 11:56 AM: <phew> Unbelievable - Feast or Famine - Hit ‘n Miss bar ‘n grill fer sure, fer sure! When we think we're gonna get business, we don't! Great to see our Southern Gentleman from Mississippi grace the joint with his presence! <aka: New YAWK transplant!>
Let me cut to the chase right away:
You wrote: You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC?
You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC?
When the Bering Land Bridge existed, there was no China! Meaning, the humans who crossed that connection were simply on the march from the area we now call Asia. This was way, way, way before the "Age of Discovery" which is pretty much relegated to the European explorers "taking credit' for darned near everything ‘n every place on Earth!!
Anyway, of course there were inhabitants in North & South America, but again, but they weren't "discovered" until the Euros decided that it was time to do so! <grin> These inhabitants of North & South America arrived by various means but not a one did so to "plant a flag in the name of . . . . " or to make claim to resources . . . convert the population to their religion or to enslave others. Nope - according to the archaeological record that I recall reading about, these humans were seeking other places to survive! Quite different from the Euro adventurers wouldn't you agree
So, restricting the conversation to the period of time most of us can grasp in our mind's eye - it was indeed the men from what is now called Scandinavia who put their feet on North America way before Queen Isabella funded Christopher Columbus' voyage to find a new route to the far east. So he "bumped into" an island in the Caribbean - hmmmmmm, just a small obstacle to getting to where he thought he was going!
It's amazing to me <well maybe NOT so!> how history gets distorted, contorted ‘n revised as time marches on! Well, I WASN'T around in when the Bering Land Bridge existed, much less in 1492 - but I do prefer getting my information from other than anecdotal sources, which seems to be "in" these days <daze>! <groan>
A mention of ladies at the bar: We have tried <several times> to get something going with a "Ladies Night" at "Our" Place. For an assortment of reasons ranging from "no interest" to "no commitment" the idea remains in memory.
Of course ladies are welcome at this bar! And of course we'd love to have a couple sign on ‘n get "into" the banter at the bar. Unfortunately, for those who have, it just kinda withered on the vine . . . . Remember the IDEA of this joint is to discuss CLASSIC Trains - everything else is secondary.
HOWEVER, when it comes to events like our Rendezvous - it's strictly a "thing" for those who are active participants. Hard enough planning for the guys much less having to 'worry' about "entertaining" others who may or may not be interested in what we do. <ugh>
I'm not sure WHO your comment about Canada's celebration of Thanksgiving was directed to. However, I'll take a stab at giving you an answer: No - they do not celebrate it quite the way we do. It is far less commercialized in the places I've visited ‘n people we know who are Canadians. Turkey may or may not be the main dish. Traditions vary based on the origin(s) of the families in Canada. For example, those who arrived there from the colonies in rebellion against England, most probably have more similarities with the U.S. version of the holiday than not. Those from other lands, nope.
I've Posted info on this holiday several times - mainly on the Original Thread. If you're interested in more info - let me know ‘n I'll dig up the URLs (pages).
OUTSTANDING work with the "fiction" piece! THANX! Have on me - make it a double if you wish!
Rounds ‘n visits appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:24 AM
Tuesday Oct 09
Good day Tom and all able bodied bar flies. Oktoberfest beer on me. I have come up with a little fictional contribution for today, executed with a lot of poetic license, but I hope it brings up images from your own lives.
It was a cool spring morning as I walked along the right-of-way of the UP tracks. Twin ribbons of steel stretched ahead of me for miles across the Arizona desert. Suddenly a feeling of impending doom overcame me. I could feel an almost imperceptible shaking of the ground as I stopped to listen. Placing my hand on one of the rails, I could definitely feel there was a train on the rails. I was excited, knowing a long train would soon be passing by this spot. Off in the distance, there was indeed a train approaching. Although I couldn't make out what type of engine it was, a shimmering heat and vibration told me that this wasn't any ordinary engine. I couldn't tell how far away it was, but it seemed to be closing the distance at a pretty fast clip. As it approached, engulfed in huge billowing clouds of steam and an occasional puff of black smoke, I could now see this was no ordinary train. As the image grew larger, my first instinct was to get as far away from the track as possible, but a fascination of the unknown kept me frozen to this spot. The machine was now only 200 hundred feet away barreling down on me with an animal like ferocity. This was no ordinary steam engine. It was a Union Pacific 4-8-8-4, with steam belching from its stack accompanied by a cacophony of sounds. The ringing of the bell, the shrill whistle, the sound of the feed water pump, the whirling of the generator and compressor, the roar of the fire in the firebox and clanging of the gear. It was the largest machine I had ever seen., towering three stories, it seemed, above me. It was a "Frankenstein" machine created by other machines in it's own image and likeness. As it passed, the heat radiated from its massive boiler was felt and I thought if the engine were to stop right there, that I would go up in smoke. As quickly as it approached, it departed, hauling a string of twenty passenger cars. I was left there by the track shaken by the experience. I didn't have a camera with me, but even if I did, I'm sure I would have been too traumatized to take a picture.
Greetings Tom and fellow worshippers of the Golden Turntable....
May I please have the usual top up for me and the lads please....?
Good grief!! You can't turn around to do some housework before posting and people sneak in and drop some posts.... I think that I better arrrange to have some alarm built that makes a sound as soon as someone drops a line in here.....
What have I missed.....let's see....hmmmm.
Da Larsman, sorry for not dropping a line before my VERY important housework.... Have a dram on me mate.
DD1, thanks for the info on the DB class V 200 mate...
coalminer3, doesn't it goes like bell-FOUN-tin (French).... I'll have that rather nice Laphroaig please.... It's a real shame that they never saved a Niagara....
Have a nice day everybody!
Greetings Tom and fellow track huggers.....
Barkeep, may I trouble you for an extra cold Guinness, top up with cigars for the lads please? Here's something for yourself as well....
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....
Da..Da..Da Larsman, I understand you rant mate. Even though our beloved, very much well behaved, polite and very sympathetic Vikings with Lars Erickson arrived in Vinland todays northern tip of Newfoundland, L'Anse aux Meadows 492 years before Columbus, it's something that will go on back forth for some time I guess.
Great covers mate . They always tend to lenghten my "to buy" list somewhat. I need to get a DVD player that plays DVD's of both the PAL and NTSC system....
Tom, it's too bad that I live that far away, otherwise I'd have hooked up with you lads. Looking forward to whatever might follow you great Alaska photos.... How about here in Glasgow next time, eh?
marthastrainyard, you could say that again mate. Todays diesels have no class or style like E's and PA's.... The only round things on them today is the wheels, otherwise everything else is in an angle of some sort.... They seem to worship the almighty RULER....
Great pics... Is that whole side of the house painted?
EricX2000, never operated them, eh? You were one of the lucky ones then.... My dad had few things to say about them... Oh no, I didn't miss anything at all mate. I love that house in the picture. Give me that house anywhere in the northern states, Montana, Idaho etc. and of course along the old Milwaukee Road and I'll be forever happy.... I love thick forrests, where I used to live in Sweden you could travel for hours sometimes and see nothing but forrest.
Great pic ! As far as I can see it's a D (of some kind) T-21, Z-65 and maybe a Ub hiding in the background.... Keep 'em coming.
Santa Fe 2-10-2 helper on Tehachapi The Country is at War. The railroads are all overworked.In this view a large 2-10-2 Santa Fe work-horse #3849provides tractive effort in the middle of the train tolesson the drawbar strain on the couplers. Smoke andsteam suggest the grade on Tehachapi is being overcomethis 1942 afternoon.
Photographer: Fred C. Stoes
Santa Fe steam dbl-hdr/frt, ArizonaSanta Fe #3850 leads a second engine and long freight trainunder the semophores east of Williams, Arizona, and near theold Route 66 highway crossing, 1949.
[SP #3680/freight on Cuesta (SLO), 1938Southern Pacific 2-10-2 #3860 leads a heavy freight aroundthe horseshoe curve just west of San Luis Obispo,California. Note helper way back in train on the curve.
SP 2-10-2 #3728/frt below DunsmuirA Southern Pacific 2-10-2 locomotive #3728 with bladeleads a freight train down the Sacramento River Canyonbelow Dunsmuir, California, 1938.
Credit: yesteryeardepot
B&O "Big Six" 6114 Louisville Kentucky in 1956.
Photographer: HK Vollrath
Location and photographer unknown.
Credit: northeastrailfan.
See you around the corner....
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England San Francisco Blend today); round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
We had record-breaking heat yesterday (85 degrees) and is supposed to be close to that today. Do we ever need rain! Traveled to Greenbrier County yesterday (medical visits for mom); fall foliage is just starting, passed by the C&O main line twice but all was quiet.
Pete - I can see a skittles table being in the bar somewhere. Let's see, I thought some of our drinks were "floorers." "Stacks" are the bodies out front sometimes. Thanks for the pictures, especially of the Pullman.
Eric - The driveway looks like my street in winter (whenever that happens). We have critters like that in our yard sometimes and running through the neighborhood regularly as there are lots of woods close by. Destructive beasties, especially if you have a garden, but they give the area K9s a lot of exercise.
The Class B is beautiful. Coal fired, I assume, I also liked the cutout tender for better visibility. Central Vermont had some like that. The C&O had 0-10-0s as well. They used them as yard switchers.
Jan sent some nice photos. Check out the lw consist behind ATSF 3774. Also enjoyed the builders shot of the LV "Wyoming" class. There is some additional RF&P material toward the end of this post. The Niagara at Bellefontaine was interesting for that time period,. I know they went through there sometimes, especially right before the end of steam on the NYC, but the 1946 date was intriguing. Just goes to show there's a "precendent" for anything on the railroad. BTW, a round of the good stuff for anyone who correctly pronounces "Bellefontaine."
Lars - I remember the D&H dome cars quite well, Got the WVC&P book and need to get the vol. 2 of the W&LE. The first volume has all sorts of fine photos.
Fergie stopped by; good voyage, sir.
DD1 visited with an admirable philosophical statement that echoes the words of my father.
Per - BAR had more passenger cars back in the day. The Pas are pretty well done; one is back in the States being restored as a NKP "Bluebird." I will try and get to see that when it's done. The D&H PAs were ex ATSF and the paint scheme was more than coincidental.
Aroostook is a county in the State of Maine. Some of their counties are as big as some states. I recall buying gasoline on different rips up to the north and looking at the card slip and seeing it marked at "T2 R9, Maine." This refers to townships and ranges (for all the surveyors out there). Anyway, it's flatland up there and they grow lots of potatoes. For years the BAR hauled potatoes, paper and forest products. The potatoes were handled in solid trains of refrigerator cars which required all sorts of special handling because they often ran from cold to warm weather and the cars had to be tended carefully so the cargo would not spoil. Typical routing was BAR-B&M-NYNH&H-PRR (via float). Potato trains were nicknamed "yellow dog extras" because of the car color.
Now for some RF&P material. The RF&P may be a small road but it is extremely busy. They have, for years been a funnel for trains from the northeast to Florida and all point in between. Thus they handled a tremendous amount of interline traffic. Typical routing included (depart New York); PRR-RF&P-SAL or ACL-FEC. Going to Fredericksburg has always been a challenge as I (as many at the bar are aware) am deeply involved with Civil War history. So we spilt time between battlefield crawling and the railroad. There are several good RF&P books out there, but the one that gives you good insight into the steam days is Richard Prince's Richmond-Washington Line.
Wheeling and Lake Erie was a coal hauler (therefore on my list of lines to follow) with strong ties to the steel industry. They were acquired by the NKP, then the N&W. They exist today as an independent operation with some most interesting power and operations. This website is worth examining www.wlerwy.com/
OSP keeps us going with Alaska pictures, reference material, and some more movies to watch. Many thanks for that. Rec'd rendezvous material.
The Yanks Is Dead! All of the championship series are shaping up to be good ones. The NYY have some serious problems with thier pitching staff, particularly long and middle relief. Anyone see the horror film, "Joba and the Bugs That Ate Cleveland?" That was truly something.
BTW, I made breakfast very quietly after the Dallas-Buffalo game last night. (lol). Mom threated to kick the TV farther that did the Dallas kicker. I will be posting all this week, but maybe a little off schedule tomorrow and Thursday as I have conference presentations to do each day.
Work safe
Good day Tom and all the bar flies. Pitchers of dark all around and a knockwust mit sauerkraut for me. I hope you have some polka music on the box. It seems like only 25 years ago, that the wife and I took part in Oktoberfest festivities out in Inverness in Marin county, Ca. This was something we did for a few years. There was always a festival of some sort going on. If it wasn't Oktoberfest, then it was Cinco-de mayo, Chinese New Year, opening day on the bay or gay lib parades (only kidding). Throw in Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving and Halloween, and we had a full schedule of entertaining and party going. We have kind of slowed down somewhat over the years, but a visit now and then to "Our Place" won't take much of a toll on us. BTW, when is wife's night? I trust this place is suitable for family. Just for a start, my wife of 35 years is from Chile and she is the best wife I have ever had (I've had 3). How we met and got married, is a long story, which I won't bore you for now.
Per: Standing next to a big boy under steam was an awesome experience, one that you can never forget if you have soul. It will choke you up inside. I still get all choked up when I watch a tape of steam in motion and their sounds. I have the tape of the SP #4449 as it is leaving Portland and starting across the bridge on it's trip down the coast during one of her excursion runs. It makes chills run up your spine and a lump in your throat. It's probably the closest thing to an org...sm that I can describe. I'm sure some of you older fellas know what I'm talking about. And yes, the big boy was in motion and ran to the turntable and back a few times. I'm not totally certain, but I think the engine was borrowed from Cheyenne, Wy for the occasion and returned afterwards. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Forgive me for any misinformation. I'm building the wood body version of the class D. Being a woodworker, I find it easier to do that than emboss thousands of rivets on sheet metal. My definition of a ship vs boat was, a boat can be placed on a ship, but I like your definition better. Your picture of Winslow, Az was mentioned in a song called "Take it Easy".(I think that's the title)
Pete: I think the police harassment over picture taking has to do with possible terrorist activity. What has this world come to when a citizen is afraid to take a picture in his own country. I have the answer to the problem, but I can't say here.
Pete: Very nice pictures of the class R and B engines. The more I see of Scandinavian and European engines, the more interested I get in them. The Swedes are masters of engineering, whether it be Volvo's, Saab's, ships, airplanes or locomotives. In regard to seeing a cab forward or big boy under steam, I don't think there would be enough support here in this country for that to happen. Maybe if we shipped the engine overseas, they might be able to revive it. When I lived in Boston, we used to play a bowling game called "candle pins". It was played the same as king pin's, but you used a smaller ball the size of a soft ball. I think Boston was the only place where they played that game.
Lars: You are right about C. Columbus and America. Actually America was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago when there was a land bridge across the Bering Straits. Archeologists have found evidence of Chinese pottery that dates back thousands of years. This also explains the physical similarity of the Chinese with the American Indian and the South American Indian. There was a TV program last week that suggested the Japanese may have reached America some time BC?
Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian friends. Do you celebrate it like we do here?
For those who mentioned Diesel-Hydraulic's, the following explains how they work.
The following courtesy of Wikipedia
Diesel-hydraulic
DB class V 200.
Diesel-hydraulic locomotives use hydraulic transmission to convey the power from the diesel engine to the wheels. On this type of locomotive, the power is transmitted to the wheels by means of a device called a torque converter. A torque converter consists of three main parts, two of which rotate, and one that is fixed. All three main parts are sealed in an oil-filled housing.
The inner rotating part of a torque converter is called a "centrifugal pump" (or impeller), the outer part is called a "turbine wheel" (or driven wheel), and between them is a fixed guide wheel. All of these parts have specially shaped blades to control the flow of oil.
The centrifugal pump is connected directly to the diesel engine, and the turbine wheel is connected to an axle, which drives the wheels.
As the diesel engine rotates the centrifugal pump, oil is forced outwards at high pressure. The oil is forced through the blades of the fixed guide wheel and then through the blades of the turbine wheel, which causes it to rotate and thus turn the axle and the wheels. The oil is then pumped around the circuit repeatedly.
The disposition of the guide vanes allows the torque converter to act as a gearbox with continuously variable ratio. If the output shaft is loaded to reduce its rotational speed, the torque applied to the shaft increases, so the power transmitted by the torque converter remains more or less constant.
However, the range of variability is not sufficient to match engine speed to load speed over the entire speed range of a locomotive, so some additional method is required to give sufficient range. One method is to follow the torque converter with a mechanical gearbox which switches ratios automatically, similar to an automatic transmission on a car. Another method is to provide several torque converters each with a range of variability covering part of the total required; all the torque converters are mechanically connected all the time, and the appropriate one for the speed range required is selected by filling it with oil and draining the others. The filling and draining is carried out with the transmission under load, and results in very smooth range changes with no break in the transmitted power.
Diesel-hydraulic multiple units, a less arduous duty, often use a simplification of this system, with a torque converter for the lower speed ranges and a fluid coupling for the high speed range. A fluid coupling is similar to a torque converter but it lacks the stationary element called the stator. The output torque is equal to the input torque regardless of the ratio of input to output speed; loading the output shaft results not in torque multiplication and constant power throughput but in reduction of the input speed with consequent lower power throughput. (In car terms, the fluid coupling provides top gear and the torque converter provides all the lower gears.) The result is that the power available at the rail is reduced when operating in the lower speed part of the fluid coupling range, but the less arduous duty of a passenger multiple unit compared to a locomotive makes this an acceptable trade-off for reduced mechanical complexity.
Diesel-hydraulic locomotives are slightly more efficient than diesel-electrics, but were found in many countries to be mechanically more complicated and more likely to break down. In Germany, however, diesel-hydraulic systems achieved extremely high reliability in operation. Persistent argument continues over the relative reliability of hydraulic systems, with continuing questions over whether data was manipulated politically to favour local suppliers over German ones. In the US and Canada, they are now greatly outnumbered by diesel-electric locomotives, while they remain dominant in some European countries. The most famous diesel-hydraulic locomotive is the German V 200 which were built from 1953 in a total number of 136. The only diesel-electric locomotives of the Deutsche Bundesbahn were BR 288 (V 188), of which 12 were built in 1939 by the DRG. In the UK, the Western Region of British Rail bought a number of Diesel Hydraulic locomotives, ranging from small light duty freight locos to high powered mainline passenger locomotives, but these were withdrawn early due to being non standard, and also in some cases suffering from reliability problems (see below), being replaced by Diesel Electrics. A number were rescued for preservation though, and some are capable of running on the mainline.
The high reliability of the German locomotives was paralleled by higher reliability of non-German locomotives built with German-made parts compared to that of the same designs built using parts made locally to German patterns under licence. Much of the unreliability experienced outside Germany was due to poor quality control in the local manufacture of engines and transmissions. Another contributing factor was poor maintenance due to staff accustomed to steam locomotives now working on unfamiliar and much more complex designs in unsuitable conditions, and failing to follow the unit-replacement maintenance methods which were part of the German success. It is notable that diesel-hydraulic multiple units, with the advantages of modern manufacturing techniques and improved maintenance procedures, are now extremely successful in widespread use, achieving excellent reliability.
In the 1960s, more than 15 diesel-hydraulic locomotives were purchased by the Denver & Rio Grande and Southern Pacific Railroads on a trial basis from the Kraus-Maffei company. Only the outer shell of one of these (converted into a camera car by SP in the 1970s) exists today, the others having all been scrapped.
Until later, Ron aka DD1
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH, if not for you, I'd be in a <funk> this day! But your radiance is all I need to realize how many GOOD things there are in life yet to enjoy! <blush> A mugga Joe with a splash for me, a round for the house, treats for the crittAHs ‘n PPF for Boris! Keep the change my sweet!
What's THIS No Bar Chandler on Monday Now wait a minute! The guy is RETIRED! What kind of an excuse could be possibly come up with to explain the absence Good Grief Charlie Brown, we need HELP in the afternoons ‘n he takes off. Fortunately Monday wasn't a full day of kitchen work, otherwise he'd have been in deep, dark <doo doo> with ME! <grrrrrrrrrrrrrr>
What's THIS No customers at all during the daytime Good Grief Charlie Brown!!! <again>
What's THIS Jan was peeking in, but didn't post one time at "Our" Place! Good Grief Charlie Brown!!! <grimace> <groan> <grrrrrrrrrrrr>
What's THIS Da Bossman didn't show up in the PM Ahhhh, but I understand WHY!! What's the point in providing meaningful "stuff" if there's no one around to appreciate it
What's THIS Per made it in for the evening AND Eric didn't disappoint with the early AM (late night) appearance. Something to cheer about, after all! [yay]
For Da Bossman! I WILL try my level best to make May "work" for me. I know that each year I say the same thing, but I really would love to meet youse guys in St. Loo!! Just that my Mrs. ‘n I have been traveling to the left coast for decades during that month ‘n I don't see anything changing EXCEPT maybe me convincing her to go it alone this time - or at least for a portion of it. That way I might be able to squeeze in some time for the Rendezvous! Always envy those of you who attend these things, for they just have to be a BLAST! Just look at the photos from Toronto ‘n St. Louis - that should tell ya up close ‘n personal!
Not to worry about Joe, he'll be far bettAH off away from that madman in the Bronx! Hard to feel sorry for a guy who has raked in that amount of cash, huh Glad the Yanks are outta the playoffs. Don't like the way "they" go about buying players and so on. Yeah, the Mets are into the same thing now 'n I guess it's just a mattAH of time B4 I just give up on all of it. mercenaries!
For Per! Another fine visit with all kinds of interesting "stuff" for the gang!
Youbetchaboots I'm not happy with the Columbus Day hype! NevAH have been ‘n nevAH will! The Norsemen got screwed in the U.S. history books ‘n it doesn't appear the truth will evAH appear <IF that is history is still taught!!> So, don't hold your breath, mate!!
IF anyone at our bar could provide some good stuff about the RFP it would be CM3 I'm NOT Shane! He's the RR Aficionado for that part of the U.S.!
Love the Eagles - always have! Have a great DVD, but ya know - too much info on their personal lives does somehow get in the way of things. I'm into the music 'n could care less about anything else. We ALL have had (and still have) "problems" in life! <geesh>
A real shame you weren't a regular at this place when we were perking along. I mean we had some great customers with an information flow that just didn't quit. It's ALL over on the "old thread" - just for the taking. I doubt we'll evAH return to those conditions . . . <sad>
Here's the Url in case you evAH want to check it out . . .
http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/1/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587
For Eric! Here's the best I could find out about that SP #3606 from
http://www.trainweb.org/
Nary a word on the "wrinkles" to be found!
SP3606 - The car was built from ex-T&NO# 950 (P-S 1937 diner lounge/round end observation). The car was outshopped 4/55 for "Shasta Daylight" service. This car was also "slab sided" by the SP during 1968 and was retired during 1970 as well (but came out of retirement briefly - see the "car identification" below). The car was rejected by Amtrak and like sister car SP 3600 was sold during 1971 to Purdy Metals of Chicago IL for scrap. These two domes were spared as an investment group planned on using the cars as part of a restaurant siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 8:01 AM <personal foto> Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir! It's Tuesday 'n the coffee's hot - pastries fresh - 'n breakfasts ready to order! What's the problem Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Monday - Oct 8th: Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:31 AM: What's to say other than many THANX for the DAILY support you provide to "Our" Place. It's not only your visits it's the material you provide for the enjoyment of our crew! I KNOW how much time it takes to come up with something different each ‘n every day - can get old in a NY minute, eh Fine spate of book covers, as usual! Looks like Joe Torre will be looking for work, eh I think the man should simply enjoy the remainder of his life in RETIREMENT! <geesh> WHEN is enough, enough It isn't as if there's a money problem. <grin>I'm still sticking with the BoSox 'n Snakes in the WS! Round appreciated - BUT - no customers to consume it! <groan> Per (marthastrainyard) at 8:12 PM: An extremely long ‘n puzzling drought between customers here at the Feast or Famine bar ‘n grill. However, most pleased to see ya <again> Mate! Another well orchestrated INCLUSIVE, informative ‘n interesting Post w/nicely placed fotos too! And here's a little something for the boys who sprechen sie nicht Deutsche! Trink, trink, Brüderlein, trink! Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink,Lass doch die Sorgen zu HausTrink, trink, Brüderlein trink,Laß doch die Sorgen zu Haus!Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz,Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz,Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!<translation>Drink, brother, drinkLeave your troubles at homeDrink, brother, drinkLeave your troubles at homeAvoid the worry, avoid the painAs life is just a jokeAvoid the worry, avoid the painAs life is just a joke The Rendezvous in Toronto ‘n St. Louis were every bit the success you can imagine. The only regret I have about either is that they ended far too soon! <groan> I expect we'll pick up where we left off in May 2008! The fact that you've noticed our Rendezvous ‘n that you're thinking about it is a POSITIVE! There's plenty of time to get on board . . . ‘n we'd love to meet ya in St. Louis! Round, visit ‘n chat always looked forward to ‘n appreciated! Tuesday - Oct 9th: Eric (EricX2000) at 12:44 AM: Swedish Drinking Team <all female!>, how could I forget! <pant> <pant> <lather> <etc.!> Are you SURE they've been signed on by our competitors That's most disturbing - if true. Pleased to note that you caught your fellow countryman's comment regarding our Rendezvous in St. Louis! Would be great to have the two of you on board! Maybe you should tell him that I drive a Volvo wagon!! <grin>I'll let you in on a "secret," we didn't watch the Lambs <aka: Rams> game either! Saw the "controversial" calls on the sports news . . . you'd think with all of the replay techniques that the officials on the field would make the proper calls. A Pontiac in the forests of Sweden - why not??? Many thanx for the visit! You too are very much depended upon to get our new days off ‘n running - in spite of the "wee hours" you've chosen for your appearances! <grin> Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing. Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Tuesday, October 9, 2007 12:44 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, just in time, I would like a Wienerschitzel aith all extras and two glasses of Keith's.This Monday went by pretty much painless! JanOlov – I never operated a V1 but I imagine they were very much like V3. And they were kind of jumpy, but as long they were only used for switching they were okay. But I agree, T21 was a much nicer switcher from all points of view. I don’t know if you missed something, but that picture showed my house in the old country. Or didn’t you like the woods, wanted mountains instead? Tom – Do you remember that the Swedish Bikini Team that showed up last year and then disappeared? I think they were enrolled by the Second Class Saloon this year to win the Dart's Challenge 'n Grudge Match, Part Deux, by diverting our concentration from the dart games to something else.You are correct about the car in the picture, it was my 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix SE. It had everything, all the bells and whistles and then some! I should have shipped it over here but decided against it. I never saw the Cards playing the Rams so I don’t know anything about any dishonest tricks. But they won!Only 219 days to the 3rd Annual “Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in St. Louis!!!Lars – Your predictions are coming true (I hope). Snakes will play Boston in the World Series!Yes, I wish Dave was here to give me the answer about that SP car. It (the car) just doesn’t look right. Two mugs at a time? That is a good idea! I'll practice that! Yes, it is (was) a Grand Prix parked in the woods of Sweden. I had the car the last two years before moving here. A very nice car, had everything!Of course I am looking! Always checking your book covers. And every so often I find a book that I put on my “To Buy”-list. Many times I look up info when I find a railroad I never heard about before. So, please, continue to bring them on!Per – Of course you have to make it to St. Louis in May next year! In “my” school English was the first foreign language and German the second. The last couple of years one could add French, but that was just an option. There are quite a few different railroad companies in Sweden nowadays. Nice pictures. Two Guns, I have driven that par of I-40 many times, both privately and as a truck driver. Winslow, I’ve been there too.A very modern cab in that picture. I bet your son liked it. I can see an Amtrak bus outside.Hallsberg, Sweden. 1975. Eric marthastrainyard Member sinceMarch 2006 From: Orange County, CA 98 posts Posted by marthastrainyard on Monday, October 8, 2007 8:12 PM Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian Friends! Good Evening everybody present, and Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Paulaner Oktoberfest today, please, and a “Schitzika Patzel” to go with that (did I have one too many already, Boris? I meant Paprika Schnitzel); Boris really liked Pickled Pigs Feet so I brought another jar for him. Alright Boris, stop drooling, but I do appreciate the extra spiked OJ you served me at the door! Everybody now: Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink, Lass doch die Sorgen zu Haus Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink, Laß doch die Sorgen zu Haus! Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz, Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz! Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz, Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz! Wow, that echoed in this empty bar, where’s everybody tonight? (As if I was the right person to ask that…) Tom, Columbus Day! Yeah I guess we should celebrate that guy who was found walking around lost on the shores back some 500 years ago! Thanks for the kind words and the translation of the song. As you can see, I left another one for you. I have not heard those flying monsters called Pterodactyls before. We used to joke about the mosquitoes in Northern Sweden being about 2 inches – between the eyes! So, the Rendezvous is going to be in Saint Louis again? I really wish I could make it but it is too early to say. Eric, Thanks for the comment on my German. I was in one of the last classes where German was the first foreign language taught in our schools. I still remember it, but it is easier to read than it is to write and listen nowadays. Not enough practice, I guess. Interesting story about the T43. There seems to be a large number of railroad companies in Sweden now, what a difference to just 30 years ago! I don’t know where my slides from the 125th anniversary are either. Well, they are in California, but so are a thousand other slides, more or less sorted, so it will take a while to find them, I’m sure. I saw your nice picture from Arizona. How about this one, near Two Guns: Or this from a certain corner: Both were taken on my way out to Texas in 2002. I think you are right about the engineer’s comfort, though; just ask this “engineer”: That’s my son in Fullerton in 2002 in the BNSF display engine that year. Jan Olov, I was going to learn to fire an S-class engine at “our” museum, but my work assignment over here came in between, so that never took place. It would have been fun, but probably a very heavy job since it is coal fired. Glad you liked the pictures. Yes, the new diesels seem to be built from the “inside out” with no consideration to what the finished product will look like. I miss the E and the F machines, not forgetting the PA/PB and the Eire builts. Those were nice looking engines, all of them. Lars (Lovedomes), Thanks for the very kind words. I think the beauty of this bar is that we can have an open conversation, joke with each other, and nobody starts to be picky or criticizing. An open environment like this leads to better conversation, and that’s what I like about Our Bar! Cheers! And Leon, another Paulaner, please, while I’m at it. Very nice pictures of the domes! Those fluted sided look really great, whether they are from MP or DRGW, it really doesn’t matter. I agree with Eric that the full dome is probably something you have to learn to appreciate, and I’m not there yet. The SP dome is a bit “wrinkled”. Did they put extra siding on them so they could “grow into their new clothes”, or what? I take it you see that I agree with you regarding that “discovery” we are supposed to celebrate today. I just wonder when we will get Vinland Day, or something like that? Yes, I have some slides from the last departing D&RGW train from Denver just before Amtrak took over. The only problem is that those slides are in the same stack as those from the SJ 125th anniversary that I told Eric about, so it will take a while. I have put it on my list of subject to contribute here at the bar, but it will most likely be next year before those come up here. I’m glad you listened to The Eagles regarding the Mets. I have another Eagles reference up above, “Take It Easy”. Nice book covers. I wish someone here at the bar has enough information to write about the RFP passenger service (and not just the DC commuter service, which I suppose they had at one time), it would be interesting to read about that. My guess is that RFP was a relatively short railroad. And you got a book there about WM also. Are those wooden heavyweights on the cover?? What is/was Wheeling and Lake Erie? It’s a name I have just barely heard so I know nothing about that road. That’s about it for tonight. Just one more Paulaner, Leon, and I will crawl out of here. < Home of the Ambroid history page and the up-and-coming City Of Los Angeles from 1950 http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/ My pictures are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/8514678@N08/ siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, October 8, 2007 11:02 AM 3rd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in St. Louis - May 2008! Yes, you read that correctly - St. Louis has been chosen once again for our annual get together. Planning for Chicago had to be postponed and it was left to those who committed to the 2008 gathering for the selection of a new location. Given the huge success of our 2007 event, the decision to return for another "go" put aside alternate suggestions. CM3 Shane - Eric ‘n Pete are on board! If any others wish to attend our 2008 Rendezvous, here are the dates: Arrival: May 15th - Thursday (noon - 2 PM if possible)Departure: May 18th - Sunday We WILL partake in the following activities <others to be developed>:. . . Visit (s) to the Can-Am Trainroom & the operating HO - O - S gauge layouts <under the watchful eye of Juneau the "watch dog"!> . . . A morning-afternoon at the St. Louis Museum of Transportation (Kirkwood, MO). . . A few hours at the John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, University of Missouri - St. Louis. . . Visit Kirkwood train station and other locations for views of passing trains. . . Lunch (late - later - both) at the TrainWreck Saloon (Rock Hill, MO). . . MetroLink ride from ‘end to end'. . . Amtrak trip to "somewhere" - track maintenance permitting!. . . Hopefully a Cardinals baseball game! <2008 sked not out yet>. . . Side trips before or after the Rendezvous <to be announced by Email> A FIRM agenda will be put together ‘n provided to the attendees via Email in late winter 2008.Let's keep all communications regarding the Rendezvous restricted to Email! Things do have a way of getting "missed" at the bar. Send me an Email via the Forums if you don't have my address . . . Meet us in St. Louis! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Monday, October 8, 2007 10:31 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, you're lookin' might Patriotic this day - Maple Leaf designs on your red, white ‘n blue outfit! Now that pretty much covAHs the bases, huh Those pastries are lookin' good too, especially the Beaver Paws (used to call ‘em Bear Paws, but it IS Thanksgiving in Canada dontchano!!) Anyway, a mugga Joe with a jolt to start the day will do for me! Joyous Thanksgiving Greetings to our friends in Canada and down here (Cap'ns Mrs. comes to mind!) Anyone else having log-in problems????!!!! This is getting to be a routine thing for me . . . took about an hour to finally log on. <barf>Boris, feed the crittAHs with the "holiday special" - double portions! And a LARGE jar of PPF for YOU! I noted that one of our customers has taken a "shine" to you with a jar of PPF over the weekend. A successful 1st Saturday for the Oktoberfest! Train rides were jammed - oooooompah music still rings in my ears <phew> - 'n I can't get the taste of those "wursts" outta my mouth. <geesh> Rant for the day! Around here ‘n especially within the Norwegian ‘n Swedish communities, there is NO WAY that Columbus "discovered America." This has ALWAYS been a huge bone of contention with those who have decided to make the history "fit" a particular situation. Without getting into "it" any further, it's wrong, wrong, wrong to revise history just to satisfy the wishes of any particular ethnicity, religion or nationality. Just plain wrong, wrong, wrong and in the U.S. we do it all the time. While everyone's efforts over the weekend are appreciated, I too have to make special mention of the fine posts from Per (marthastrainyard) ‘n Pete (pwolfe). Just wonderful efforts! For Da Bossman: Terrific Alaska RR Adventure photos! My Mrs. and I WILL take that trip and it is because of your photos from this year ‘n last. Just terrific!! Two good flicks at the Emporium! I like Hornblower ‘n am "wishing" for the DVD set for Christmas! <grin> Also am a huge Robert Duvall fan, especially westerns. Nice choices, mate! For Pete: After reading your description of the SKITTLES game, I think I'd do quite well ONLY after having a ‘snoot full' of course! <grin>For Per: You surely have come back with a BANG - just couldn't believe how complete you made the summary of conversations ‘n photos here at the bar! You were in Denver for the LAST DR&RGW "silver horses" train!!!! Too bad about not getting on board. Do you have photos from that event Bet it was quite a scene!!! Don't know if you've "caught" any of my comments in past postings about the trips my family took from Chicago to the Bay Area aboard the Zephyrs. Anyway, those dome cars were terrific ‘n my father ALWAYS made sure that my sister ‘n I ALWAYS had seats up there. Can't tell you for certain how many round trips we made, but we did it ever summer for many, many years. He (and my grandfather) were retirees from the B&O with passes . . . say no more, huh Anytime a bus is "injected" into what should be a train trip can (and does) ruin one's day! The most recent experience that Pete ‘n Tom had with their Gaspe trip comes to mind. BummAH, for sure! Somewhere in my memory bank I do recall seeing one of those UP two-tone grey steamers ‘n tender. Looked pretty "cool" to me . . . nevAH was a fan of left coast trains, BUT when it came to "oogling" ‘n "drooling" over steamers, wellllllllllllll. Not to worry about the "Mets thing" - just like the Eagle's song "Get Over it!" - I did <maybe>! <groan> For Eric: Reptiles need only one more round, then it's the World Series! You gottaluvit! Haven't the "foggiest" about that SP car - but yes, I agree, she does look "injured." Most probably was on her side once upon a time would be my guess. Too bad we no longer see West Coast S (Dave) ‘round here - he'd have the answer. <groan>Enjoyed the photos from your friend! siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, October 8, 2007 8:22 AM <personal foto> A smile to begin the week! I'd see if I could find the guy that lost it, and if he was poor, I'd give it back.<A Yogi-ism!> Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian friends ‘n families on either side of the 49th!! Columbus Day in the U.S. - it's one of those "Is it a holiday or isn't it " NOT observed equally throughout the land . . .unless you're a banker, postal employee or "fed." In my not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN it's way past due to scrap this contrived "discovery of America holiday."It surely wasn't Columbus!! Guten Morgen allerseits! Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir! Monday ‘n a day OFF for our Canadian friends north of the border! Eat, drink ‘n be merry for tomorrow the U.S. dollar will rebound! <grin> For the rest of us, EXCEPT for a select few, the coffee's hot - pastries fresh ‘n breakfasts ready for cookin'!! Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place every Saturday in October! Watch for an"Our" Place Rendezvous 2008 announcement this morning!! <suspense> Customer BRIEF Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Saturday - Oct 6th: Jan (JanOlov) at 8:41 AM: Shake! Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:16 AM: 10 wunnerful DOME fotos! Jan (JanOlov) at 12:17 PM: Noticed Pix! Fergie (Fergmiester) at 1:37 PM: Back to sea! Jim (nutmeg1) at 3:06 PM: A browser stops in! Pete (pwolfe) at 5:38 PM: Super fine INCLUSIVE Post from our Bar Chandler ‘n Mid-Missouri Connection! Nice fotos too! Alaska Pix taken with my digital . . . Anyway, all shots were from MOVING trains - with the exception of depot fotos. You can tell the inside-the-car shots by the reflections from the windows. Tried to get most of ‘em out on the observation deck with the wind about to blow me away! [swg Ron (DD1) at 6:02 PM: Bar talk! When there's nothing to say about this or that, one can ALWAYS make comments on the Posts since the last visit . . . Kinda lets the guys know that their efforts have been noted ‘n appreciated! Eric (EricX2000) at 7:59 PM: Fine inclusive Post w/Pix!! All girl's Dart's team from The Second Class Saloon! We're READY for ‘em - as once said, "Bring ‘em on!! PLEASE! <pant> <pant> <pant>Sure looks like a Pontiac parked by that fine looking cabin in the forest! Not a Volvo or Saab Hmmmmmmmm. <grin>Foto appreciation goes to your friend, Hans! Per (marthastrainyard) at 10:32 PM: OUTSTANDING inclusive, informative ‘n interesting Post from our Resident Cowboy Swede! With that jar of PPF, you've made a friend for life with our Cloven-footed Cyclops called Boris! <uh oh>Nice of you to get with the Oktoberfest!! Your stanza from In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus:In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus:Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . .Da läuft so manches Fäßchen aus:Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . .Da hat so manche braver Mann:Eins, zwei, g&# Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Monday, October 8, 2007 5:31 AM Greetings Tom and gentlemen.....YEEESSSS! I finally managed to get into the bar after umptin times trying....May I have....eeerrmmm....something German please? Whatever you recommend..... While you're at it, would you mind to top the lads pints as well and give their usual cigars too please. Here's something for yourself...$$$$ for the jukebox and Mr Wurlitzer....pwolfe, that's some nice pics from the museum . The BR used to have some nice looking diesels and rugged they were too. Those that you heard most about was the Deltics(?). Hope to see some more from you...EricX2000, well, as my dad put it about the V1 and V3, he didn't like them at all.... Too cramp, too jumpy etc....ended up comparing them to a horseback ride.... Preffered the T-21 if I remember correctly. I'll ask again to get a more complete report if you want....Great pics as always mate. Looking at that hous in the woods and thinking back to where I grew up, no wonder that I prefer the northern states of the U.S. Anyhting with high mountains and I feel right at home....marthastrainyard, I fired those steamers while "working" for local railroad musuem. I think that the steam locomotive societies today in Sweden have the same problems as those in the U.S etc. nowhere to run. Should they find somewhere to run it cost a fortune and take six months to do all the paperwork.....Great pics as usual mate . I never gonna get used to the modern diesels and odd shapes with strange angles here and there.... Da Larsman, great pics on some awesome looking cars... I wouldn't mind to own one of those dome observation cars and travel from the east coast to the west coast...would probably cost more than all the gold that you guys have in Fort Knox...As for picture taking.....isn't that always the "rule" folks, as soon as you put up your camera on your tripod or just shoot from the hip....people seem to come from nowhere and gather infront of you so that you see all....?See you around the corner..... All the best! Jan EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Sunday, October 7, 2007 7:40 PM I wonder why the Bar is closed today, during the OKTOBER FEST? Kind of strange. I saw the Second Class Bar was open and full of people, laughing and drinking eastern European Beer. Per – I am very impressed! You speak German like you haven’t done anything else all your life! I also spent a day in Värtan 1981 to see the “parade” of locomotives and trains. The problem is, I have no clue where my slides are. The V3s were built by Esslingen in Germany. The English switcher, V1, was built by English Electric. SJ had four of those and they looke very much like V3. The paintjob on the T43 is Swedtrac’s livery. Swedtrac is part of a company, SWT, and it is their logo. I don’t know anything about SWT. Very nice pictures of #3751 and the brand new #7744. No doubt, 3751 wins the beauty contest by a wide margin! But I bet, as an engineer, 7754 wins the comfort contest! Lars – A bunch of very nice dome cars! But I really don’t like the Milwaukee Road #54. Too much dome I guess, I am not sure. Northern Arizona. LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, October 7, 2007 10:44 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers waiting for the bar to open!This is NFL day at my hut! Jints vs Jets over in the Meadowlands . . . "game on" SOON! Go Jints!! I'll save the comments on the posts since my last visit - as this is SUNDAY, the day we are CLOSED! This is just a little something slipped through the mail slot to satisfy those of you with that "fix" required for REAL Classic Trains 24/7!! DRGW #1105 Silver Bronco (1980) (from: www.trainweb.org)Union Pacific 7003 (from: www.trainweb.org)Union Pacific 7001 Columbine (from: http://www.trainweb.org/) [this is the one Pete took a photo of with the ‘dome on dome" in Jefferson City, MO!!)Illinois Central #2200, former MP #890 (from: www.trainweb.com)Illinois Central #2210, former MP #894 (from: www.trainweb.com)Missouri Pacific #893 The Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)Illinois Central #2201, former MP #891 (from: www.trainweb.com)Missouri Pacific #891 Colorado Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)Misouri Pacific (MP) #890 as #590 (1964) (from: www.trainweb.com)Milkwaukee Road #54 (from: www.trainweb.com)Until the next time! Lars marthastrainyard Member sinceMarch 2006 From: Orange County, CA 98 posts Posted by marthastrainyard on Saturday, October 6, 2007 10:32 PM Good Evening everybody present, and Happy Oktoberfest, or should I say Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Spaten Optimator, please, and a nice Wienerschnitzel to go with that; you can leave those little green pepper corn off, I won’t eat them. I hear Boris likes Pickled Pigs Feet so I brought a jar for him. Here Boris, easy now. In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus: Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . . Da läuft so manches Fäßchen aus: Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . . Da hat so manche braver Mann: Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . . Gezeigt was er so vertragen kann Schon früh am Morgen fing er an Und spät am Abend kam er heraus So schön ist's im Hofbräuhaus. So, can we drink now? Or did we come to sing? Tom, Thanks for the background on “CM3 I’m NOT Shane”. That’s quite a story, now I think I shall go back and call him just CM3. Your definition of a ship vs. a boat is the same as my wife has and she comes from an all-Navy family so that seems to be the going definition over here. I like your article on BAR. One of my early locomotives was a BL-2 painted in the BAR scheme. I see that they have a whopping 2 passenger cars. I wonder how they can get both passenger trains going with just two cars? Bbut maybe they provided one car in each train and the through cars made up for the rest. Nice paint job on the E6(?) on the book cover! That D&H PA is a beauty! I hear that some of them went to Mexico and they run down there in the same paint scheme. I think I read somwhere that a couple are still hanging around, although in pretty bad shape. The similarity to the Warbonnet scheme is striking. I wonder how that came about? Or were these ex-ATSF units? I liked your write-up on the Milwaukee Road. Every time I read about the small lines that were the beginning of a larger road, I’m wondering if there is a “Family Tree” showing all the railroads and how they absorbed in, and spun off from, other companies to eventuall form what we have today. It must be an enormous task to draw up something like that, and I wonder what wall would be big enough to display it. Really nice pictures from Mt. McKinley. I bet you wouldn’t mine that cottage up there, would you? I’ll fight you for it, at least for the summer months, in spite of the mosquitos. Open Range seems to be a movie to watch this week at the theatre. I just got a “Gunsmoke” movie that I watched and that is now going to my daughter who is a real Gunsmoke fan. Eric, Thanks for reminding me of the 125th SJ anniversary. I spent almost all day at Värtan trying to get in a good position for taking pictures of the “parade” just to have a group of “professional” photographers setting up their equipment just in front of me (on the other side of the fence, of course). It was a great parade, and it seems that the one you have pictures from was just as good. The V3 is German made (Henschel?), but wasn’t there a very similar looking switcher that was made in UK? You have (had) a nice place back in the old country! Bambi showing up for breakfast and everything. Yes, the road looks a bit icy but that’s just a minor drawback and well compensated for compared to the surroundings. What paintjob is that on the T43? I see it’s owned by the railroad museum, but what logo is that? Al, I was afraid those Tui girls were for advertising only. Oh well, it save me a lot of money in air fare, doesn’t it? Fergie, Going off the Continental Shelf with that newly repaired shaft, eh? You must have confidence in those repair crews. I wish you good luck and safe returns. Jan Olov, Did you drive those engines as an SJ employee or were you involved in a museum operation? I would suspect SJ since you have such a varying background with many different locomotive classes. And I see it runs in the family as well. My dad was a fireman at BKB for a short while before he switched career. Nice pictures of the 4-8-4’s. That Chief is really good looking. A sister engine, 3751, is preserved in California and it traveled under its own steam to the Fullerton Railroad Days this year: And parked opposite to that was 7744: I think the 3751 wins the beauty contest hands down even though the 7744 was so new you could almost smell the fresh paint! Lars (Lovedomes), Good to know my eyes weren’t playing a joke on me with that tender. The models that came out in the 50’s and 60’s had a very modified logo but I guess enough time has passed now so they can print as the were. I agree with you that it is silly to try to change history in every place. Tha Home of the Ambroid history page and the up-and-coming City Of Los Angeles from 1950 http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/ My pictures are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/8514678@N08/ EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Saturday, October 6, 2007 7:59 PM Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Hi Leon, a Filet Mignon with lots of mushrooms, please! Medium. Just a quick stop to post a few pictures. JanOlov – I am looking forward to your Dad’s response! A whole bunch of very powerful 4-8-4 pictures today! Impressive!Tom – I think your grandpa was right about his name!! What did you two do at the Second Class Saloon? Checked the girls, or what? I’ve heard they (Second Class Saloon) have a (very good looking) lady team this year but they keep it secret so it will be a big surpise and confuse us when the battle starts! Thanks for the reports from last year’s Dart’s Challenge ‘n Grudge Match, Part Deux!!I am glad we have such an outstanding star reporter to give us all the information about those exciting days!Alaska Pictures! Thanks for the pictures! Beautiful nature! At least in the summer time!! Pix #3 and #4 reminded me about my promise to show a pix of my home in the old country today. I have been looking around but can’t find the photo I was thinking about but here is a not so good pix:Watch out for the icy driveway!Just outside the kitchen window.A new week and new movies! I like especially #2, Open Range!Lars – Have you started your dart training yet? Nice dome cars! But I don’t know what happened to SP’s #3606 full length dome? The whole body is full of “wrinkles”! Had it been in an accident? Jim – Thanks for the nice words! Maybe one day you will change your mind and become a regular guest!Pete – I guess my memory is not what it is supposed to be, but for some reason I was sure I saw something about #4294 was operational. Anyway, it looks great!Watch out for the lady team Second Class Saloon is putting together this year! They will be dressed in a way that will make it hard for us to concentrate on the dart. You know what I mean! Nice pictures from the National Railway Museum! That is a tiny tank engine! Good looking Pullman cars! Ron – My knowledge about bars is next to non existent. The only one I go to is “Our” Place! But it is probably true what you say about bartenders now and yesteryear! A few pictures in no particular order. All taken by my friend Hans Polanik. A Class B. Next to a Class R, 0-10-0, waiting for order to proceed. Class R was built from 1908 for iron ore trains in the most northern part of Sweden, north of the Arctic Circle. A Class T43 (GM Diesel). And the engineer on the same engine. Have a nice weekend!Eric Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 6, 2007 6:02 PM Good day Tom and all at the bar flies. Drinks all around. October is my favorite month because of Oktoberfest. Any month that has to do with drinking my favorite brew, is a good month. What we need desperately is a Scotch Whisky festival. Scotland would be the logical place, but Mississippi would be as good a place as any. Since I'm short on railroad stuff, I'll try to fill in with what I have the most knowledge. Conversation in the bars, pubs and saloons I have frequented, have been about sports, girls, racing, girls, TV and girls. I can't recall ever conversing about trains other than about the tragic train wreck on the LIRR. My time spent in bars was considered "quality" time, a term reserved for the bars of yesteryear. In those days, there was a camaraderie that doesn't exist anymore, except at "Our Place". I can remember them as an institution where for the price of a beer, you could talk to your friends and tell your friendly bartender all your troubles. I think things really changed when women became bartenders. The place would become a place to hit on a gal. When I frequented bars, you always bought a round for the bar and for the bartender. The bartender was expert in mixing drinks. Back then, you drank either beer, straight shots or boiler makers, not mojo's, strawberry daiquiri's or the thousands of "women's" drinks. Today's bar scene is women, drugs, wise guys, gays, punks and guys trying to score. That is why I don't frequent them anymore. I'm sure you guys have similar thoughts about this. There was a bar in San Francisco that I used to go to. It was called the Temple Bar located down an alley and staffed by a veteran bartender, who was one of the last remaining who knew how to make the perfect martini. I learned from him the art of the martini, which to this day, I can still do. If you want to know how, I'll share the secret upon request. Edit pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, October 6, 2007 5:38 PM Hi Tom and all.Well CINDY it seems the Oktoberfest is going great with the band playing well and a great trip around the Cam-Am, earlier, yes H&H you look very handsome in the lederhosen. So a stein of one the German brews and a plate of sausage please.ALLAN I must admit I think the Newcastle Broon tastes different than it used to in the 1960s.Yes, I think ten-pin bowling originated from what we used to call Long Alley skittles, which was played along the floor. There used to be very keen leagues played, I know, around the Gloucester and Bristol area, I suppose they are still going on today. I have though about getting a skittle table imported over here, I'm sure I could make a bob or two at fairs etc, but it would cost a fortune to bring one over even if I could find one for sale. The ‘Toon' has had some great players. Am I right in thinking the Charlton Brothers were born in the same village as George Stephenson.Glad you are enjoying the photos.ERIC Many thanks for the link to the BNSF CRS and their video. To me it makes a great deal of sense to run this sort of program, I hope the other Class 1s will follow suit.I think a return to California in the future would be great and it will be interesting to see what exhibits will be on the floor they were working on while we were there.I don't think #4294 is operational, from what I gathered there maybe some items on the locomotive missing like cab fittings, it seems it was a close thing that # 4294 was saved The loco looks in superb condition. I bet Dave and Per will know more.Snow as the secret weapon at the Second Class Saloon and that sounds very interesting about what you saw Vito The Hit doing.JAN Thanks for the kind words. Many moons ago now there used to be a television program, that aired infrequently, hosted by the famous England fast bowler Fred Truman that featured the little known sports and pub games. It was a great program but I don't think it ran for long.I know it would cost a LOT of money but it would be great if ever they could get the cab- forward or a big-boy back in steam. I am sure a publicity tour with the locomotive would bring crowds if advertised and earn the railroad a lot of goodwill. Don't suppose it will happen but at least we can dream and the locos still exist.Many thanks for those great 4-8-4s, powerful looking engines indeed. LARS. The tent is looking in fine shape, I am sure RUTH will enjoy working in there, it will be a good afternoon with the band sounding on top form.Many thanks for those great Dome Cars.FERGIE Great to see the shaft problem is fixed without needing to go to the dry dock and you are back at sea.What exactly are you doing for the Brits.Calm seas and a good voyage.TOM I think you would soon get the hang of Skittles. We used to get some people from North America having a vacation on the canal that ran through the village, and they would tie up and visit the local pub which had a skittle table, and would very often have a go a the game. The main rule we had to tell them was the cheeses had to be thrown below shoulder height. I will explain more at the rendezvous.I must admit Pat's does not let me run up the bar tab as Our Place does.I guess the railway workshops still do overhauls of their locomotives or is that done by the manufactures now. I wonder when the last new locomotive was built by a railroad company.Many thanks for the First Mentor Darts Match report encore; the reporter is certainly not afraid of danger in making the world know about the tournament, as none of the players has a clue what went on. I wonder what the Second Class Saloon lot has got in store for us this year. Great to see the report again.Surely the Denali Star was not moving when you took the Alaska pictures, they are so in focus and clear even the trees close to the car. Were they taken with the camera you have now siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, October 6, 2007 4:01 PM ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!at "Our" Place!We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre! . . . October 7th thru 13th: Horatio Hornblower - The Fire Ships (1999) Starring: Ioan Gruffudd, Robert Lindsay (II), Denis Lawson, Ian McNeice & Andrew Tiernan - and - Open Range (2003) Starring: Robert Duvall, Kevin Costner, Patricia Benedict, Annette Bening, Abraham Benrubi, Kim Coates & Diego Diablo Del Mar. SHORT: The Three Stooges - They Stooge To Conga (1943). Horatio Hornblower - The Fire Ships (1999)PLOT SUMMARY: Based on the rousing sea adventures in C.S. Forester's novel Mr. Midshipman Hornblower, the four-film television series Horatio Hornblower explores the education of a plucky young officer rising through the ranks of His Majesty's Navy. Ioan Gruffudd is all integrity and honor as the ambitious midshipman who is taken under the stern yet nurturing guidance of Captain Pellew (Robert Lindsay) during the war against France in the French Revolution. Through these four adventures he faces a vindictive senior midshipman ("The Even Chance"); meets his hero, a reckless captain whose unorthodox methods are brave but foolhardy ("The Examination for Lieutenant"); is captured by the Spanish in a desperate maneuver to sneak through enemy lines ("The Duchess and the Devil"); and leads his men to French soil in an ill-planned attempt by French loyalists to start a popular front against the revolution ("The Frogs and the Lobsters"). The excellent re-creations of 18th-century vessels and ship-to-ship battles are astounding and reminiscent of such classic Hollywood seafaring adventures as Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk, not to mention Captain Horatio Hornblower, with Gregory Peck as the only previous screen incarnation of Forester's hero. This mixture of swashbuckling adventure and British naval tradition is leavened with well-placed humor and a cast of colorful characters, but at the heart of the tales is Gruffudd's quick-thinking, courageous Hornblower, a starry-eyed officer with the luck of the gods and the steely determination of an old-fashioned hero. --Sean Axmaker <from: amazon.com> NOTE: For the next seveal weeks at The Emporium Theatre one feature will be a Horatio Hornblower classic! Open Range (2003)PLOT SUMMARY: Released almost exactly 11 years after Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven, Kevin Costner's Open Range proved yet again that the Western is the classic American genre. While it lacks the thematic impact of Eastwood's masterpiece, Costner's first film since 1997's ill-fated The Postman returns the actor/director of Dances With Wolves to the open prairies of America--in this case the free-range frontier of 1882--where legal "free-grazing" cattle drives were falling prey to empire-building land-owners. In the wake of territorial murder, free-grazing cowboys Boss (Robert Duvall) and Charley (Costner) seek vengeful justice against the ruthless rancher (Michael Gambon) who threatens their law-abiding survival. A feisty ally (the late Michael Jeter, in his next-to-final film role) and a doctor's sister (Annette Bening) offer support during climactic shootouts, masterfully staged with the shock and suddenness of real-life gunfire. Rich in character development and thick-hided humor, this handsome production redeemed Costner's directorial career with a well-told story (by Craig Storper, based on Lauran Paine's novel The Open Range Men), flawless performances, and stunning Canadian locations. --Jeff Shannon <from: amazon.com> SHORT: The Three Stooges - They Stooge to Conga (1943)PLOT SUMMARY: The Stooges are fix-it men who are employed to fix the doorbell in a house that belongs to a nest of German and Japanese spies. Moe, Larry and Curly proceed to destroy the walls of the house looking for the problem before moving outside. Curly is then sent up to fix the wires atop a telephone pole. While "fixing" the lines, Curly slides his chair towards the window of the spies' main control room and crash through the window inside. He discovers their sabotage plans and he, with Moe and Larry manage to sabotage the saboteurs and g Happy Railroading! Siberianmo nutmeg1 Member sinceDecember 2006 From: Connecticut 10 posts Posted by nutmeg1 on Saturday, October 6, 2007 3:06 PM Hello,I just dropped off a few words on the site for REAL Classic Trains - including TRACTION and thought a stop here would help a bit in getting something going on this Saturday.Before anyone "jumps" at me to become a customer, I am really not interested in the back and forth stuff on the internet, either here or on other sites. Just happen to really enjoy browsing this particular one because of the fantastic amount of information provided. I go weeks between sessions and who knows when I'll pass this way again.Siberianmo does one fine job with this and I was a browser back before he closed down operations some time ago. Glad to see things are going so well, although this site seems to have lost quite a few of the contributors from the past.I have never found a site with so many fine photographs that are unselfishly shared with everyone. Shows just how unselfish you guys are, especially when the photographs are from your own resources. Kudos!Anyway, best wishes to all of you ADULT train enthusiasts from pretty much all over the world! That is something to be proud of too! Continued success to all who have helped make this such an enjoyable place to "browse" and if my words help to keep you going - good!Have a drink on me! I will be watching from the sidelines!Jim in Connecticut Fergmiester Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Out on the Briny Ocean Tossed 4,240 posts Posted by Fergmiester on Saturday, October 6, 2007 1:37 PM Good Afternoon Tom and company.Just a quick sailpast as we are back out and off the Continental Shelf recovering and deploying moorings for the Brits right now. Our shaft problems are hopefully behind or should I say aft of us nowMight as top up the mug with a fresh brew.Thanks All Fergie http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959 If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007 JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Saturday, October 6, 2007 12:17 PM Greetings Tom and gentlemen....Could I have another extra cold Guinness please? Top up with cigars for the lads too if you don't mind....here, get yourself something as well.$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....Tom, absolutely stunning pics of Alaska! Really look forward to see what you'll follow up with. Da Larsman, the ultimate in train travel must have been the dome observations, right? Great pics as always mate....Allow me to get you a couple of nice drams.... All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, October 6, 2007 12:02 PM ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!at "Our" Place!We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs! G'day Gents!Continuing the Saturday series of my 2006 Alaskan Rail Adventure . . . . . here's 10 more! (1) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (2) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (telefoto) (3) Someone's home! En route Anchorage aboard southbound Denali Star (4) No neighbors! En route Ancorage aboard southbound Denali Star (5) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (6) En route Anchorage aboard southbound Denali Star (7) Most majestic Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (8) Distant Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (9) Telefoto of Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (10) Final view of Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo « First«50515253545556»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
It's Tuesday 'n the coffee's hot - pastries fresh - 'n breakfasts ready to order! What's the problem
Monday - Oct 8th:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:31 AM: What's to say other than many THANX for the DAILY support you provide to "Our" Place. It's not only your visits it's the material you provide for the enjoyment of our crew! I KNOW how much time it takes to come up with something different each ‘n every day - can get old in a NY minute, eh
Fine spate of book covers, as usual!
Looks like Joe Torre will be looking for work, eh I think the man should simply enjoy the remainder of his life in RETIREMENT! <geesh> WHEN is enough, enough It isn't as if there's a money problem. <grin>
I'm still sticking with the BoSox 'n Snakes in the WS!
Round appreciated - BUT - no customers to consume it! <groan>
Per (marthastrainyard) at 8:12 PM: An extremely long ‘n puzzling drought between customers here at the Feast or Famine bar ‘n grill. However, most pleased to see ya <again> Mate!
Another well orchestrated INCLUSIVE, informative ‘n interesting Post w/nicely placed fotos too!
And here's a little something for the boys who sprechen sie nicht Deutsche!
Trink, trink, Brüderlein, trink!
Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink,Lass doch die Sorgen zu HausTrink, trink, Brüderlein trink,Laß doch die Sorgen zu Haus!Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz,Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz,Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!
<translation>Drink, brother, drinkLeave your troubles at homeDrink, brother, drinkLeave your troubles at homeAvoid the worry, avoid the painAs life is just a jokeAvoid the worry, avoid the painAs life is just a joke
The Rendezvous in Toronto ‘n St. Louis were every bit the success you can imagine. The only regret I have about either is that they ended far too soon! <groan> I expect we'll pick up where we left off in May 2008!
The fact that you've noticed our Rendezvous ‘n that you're thinking about it is a POSITIVE! There's plenty of time to get on board . . . ‘n we'd love to meet ya in St. Louis!
Round, visit ‘n chat always looked forward to ‘n appreciated!
Eric (EricX2000) at 12:44 AM: Swedish Drinking Team <all female!>, how could I forget! <pant> <pant> <lather> <etc.!> Are you SURE they've been signed on by our competitors That's most disturbing - if true.
Pleased to note that you caught your fellow countryman's comment regarding our Rendezvous in St. Louis! Would be great to have the two of you on board! Maybe you should tell him that I drive a Volvo wagon!! <grin>
I'll let you in on a "secret," we didn't watch the Lambs <aka: Rams> game either! Saw the "controversial" calls on the sports news . . . you'd think with all of the replay techniques that the officials on the field would make the proper calls.
A Pontiac in the forests of Sweden - why not???
Many thanx for the visit! You too are very much depended upon to get our new days off ‘n running - in spite of the "wee hours" you've chosen for your appearances! <grin>
Leon, just in time, I would like a Wienerschitzel aith all extras and two glasses of Keith's.
This Monday went by pretty much painless!
JanOlov – I never operated a V1 but I imagine they were very much like V3. And they were kind of jumpy, but as long they were only used for switching they were okay. But I agree, T21 was a much nicer switcher from all points of view. I don’t know if you missed something, but that picture showed my house in the old country. Or didn’t you like the woods, wanted mountains instead? Tom – Do you remember that the Swedish Bikini Team that showed up last year and then disappeared? I think they were enrolled by the Second Class Saloon this year to win the Dart's Challenge 'n Grudge Match, Part Deux, by diverting our concentration from the dart games to something else.You are correct about the car in the picture, it was my 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix SE. It had everything, all the bells and whistles and then some! I should have shipped it over here but decided against it. I never saw the Cards playing the Rams so I don’t know anything about any dishonest tricks. But they won!Only 219 days to the 3rd Annual “Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in St. Louis!!!Lars – Your predictions are coming true (I hope). Snakes will play Boston in the World Series!Yes, I wish Dave was here to give me the answer about that SP car. It (the car) just doesn’t look right. Two mugs at a time? That is a good idea! I'll practice that!
Yes, it is (was) a Grand Prix parked in the woods of Sweden. I had the car the last two years before moving here. A very nice car, had everything!Of course I am looking! Always checking your book covers. And every so often I find a book that I put on my “To Buy”-list. Many times I look up info when I find a railroad I never heard about before. So, please, continue to bring them on!Per – Of course you have to make it to St. Louis in May next year! In “my” school English was the first foreign language and German the second. The last couple of years one could add French, but that was just an option. There are quite a few different railroad companies in Sweden nowadays. Nice pictures. Two Guns, I have driven that par of I-40 many times, both privately and as a truck driver. Winslow, I’ve been there too.A very modern cab in that picture. I bet your son liked it. I can see an Amtrak bus outside.
Hallsberg, Sweden. 1975.
Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian Friends!
Good Evening everybody present, and Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Paulaner Oktoberfest today, please, and a “Schitzika Patzel” to go with that (did I have one too many already, Boris? I meant Paprika Schnitzel); Boris really liked Pickled Pigs Feet so I brought another jar for him. Alright Boris, stop drooling, but I do appreciate the extra spiked OJ you served me at the door!
Everybody now:
Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink, Lass doch die Sorgen zu Haus Trink, trink, Brüderlein trink, Laß doch die Sorgen zu Haus! Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz, Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz! Meide den Kummer und meide den Schmerz, Dann ist das Leben ein Scherz!
Wow, that echoed in this empty bar, where’s everybody tonight? (As if I was the right person to ask that…)
Tom, Columbus Day! Yeah I guess we should celebrate that guy who was found walking around lost on the shores back some 500 years ago!
Thanks for the kind words and the translation of the song. As you can see, I left another one for you.
I have not heard those flying monsters called Pterodactyls before. We used to joke about the mosquitoes in Northern Sweden being about 2 inches – between the eyes!
So, the Rendezvous is going to be in Saint Louis again? I really wish I could make it but it is too early to say.
Eric, Thanks for the comment on my German. I was in one of the last classes where German was the first foreign language taught in our schools. I still remember it, but it is easier to read than it is to write and listen nowadays. Not enough practice, I guess.
Interesting story about the T43. There seems to be a large number of railroad companies in Sweden now, what a difference to just 30 years ago!
I don’t know where my slides from the 125th anniversary are either. Well, they are in California, but so are a thousand other slides, more or less sorted, so it will take a while to find them, I’m sure.
I saw your nice picture from Arizona. How about this one, near Two Guns:
Or this from a certain corner:
Both were taken on my way out to Texas in 2002.
I think you are right about the engineer’s comfort, though; just ask this “engineer”:
That’s my son in Fullerton in 2002 in the BNSF display engine that year.
Jan Olov, I was going to learn to fire an S-class engine at “our” museum, but my work assignment over here came in between, so that never took place. It would have been fun, but probably a very heavy job since it is coal fired.
Glad you liked the pictures. Yes, the new diesels seem to be built from the “inside out” with no consideration to what the finished product will look like. I miss the E and the F machines, not forgetting the PA/PB and the Eire builts. Those were nice looking engines, all of them.
Lars (Lovedomes), Thanks for the very kind words. I think the beauty of this bar is that we can have an open conversation, joke with each other, and nobody starts to be picky or criticizing. An open environment like this leads to better conversation, and that’s what I like about Our Bar! Cheers! And Leon, another Paulaner, please, while I’m at it.
Very nice pictures of the domes! Those fluted sided look really great, whether they are from MP or DRGW, it really doesn’t matter. I agree with Eric that the full dome is probably something you have to learn to appreciate, and I’m not there yet. The SP dome is a bit “wrinkled”. Did they put extra siding on them so they could “grow into their new clothes”, or what?
I take it you see that I agree with you regarding that “discovery” we are supposed to celebrate today. I just wonder when we will get Vinland Day, or something like that?
Yes, I have some slides from the last departing D&RGW train from Denver just before Amtrak took over. The only problem is that those slides are in the same stack as those from the SJ 125th anniversary that I told Eric about, so it will take a while. I have put it on my list of subject to contribute here at the bar, but it will most likely be next year before those come up here.
I’m glad you listened to The Eagles regarding the Mets. I have another Eagles reference up above, “Take It Easy”.
Nice book covers. I wish someone here at the bar has enough information to write about the RFP passenger service (and not just the DC commuter service, which I suppose they had at one time), it would be interesting to read about that. My guess is that RFP was a relatively short railroad. And you got a book there about WM also. Are those wooden heavyweights on the cover?? What is/was Wheeling and Lake Erie? It’s a name I have just barely heard so I know nothing about that road.
That’s about it for tonight. Just one more Paulaner, Leon, and I will crawl out of here.
3rd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous
in St. Louis - May 2008!
Yes, you read that correctly - St. Louis has been chosen once again for our annual get together.
Planning for Chicago had to be postponed and it was left to those who committed to the 2008 gathering for the selection of a new location. Given the huge success of our 2007 event, the decision to return for another "go" put aside alternate suggestions.
CM3 Shane - Eric ‘n Pete are on board! If any others wish to attend our 2008 Rendezvous, here are the dates:
Arrival: May 15th - Thursday (noon - 2 PM if possible)
We WILL partake in the following activities <others to be developed>:
. . . Visit (s) to the Can-Am Trainroom & the operating HO - O - S gauge layouts <under the watchful eye of Juneau the "watch dog"!>
. . . A morning-afternoon at the St. Louis Museum of Transportation (Kirkwood, MO)
. . . A few hours at the John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, University of Missouri - St. Louis
. . . Visit Kirkwood train station and other locations for views of passing trains
. . . Lunch (late - later - both) at the TrainWreck Saloon (Rock Hill, MO)
. . . MetroLink ride from ‘end to end'
. . . Amtrak trip to "somewhere" - track maintenance permitting!
. . . Hopefully a Cardinals baseball game! <2008 sked not out yet>
. . . Side trips before or after the Rendezvous <to be announced by Email>
A FIRM agenda will be put together ‘n provided to the attendees via Email in late winter 2008.
Let's keep all communications regarding the Rendezvous restricted to Email! Things do have a way of getting "missed" at the bar. Send me an Email via the Forums if you don't have my address . . .
Meet us in St. Louis!
Ruth my deAH, you're lookin' might Patriotic this day - Maple Leaf designs on your red, white ‘n blue outfit! Now that pretty much covAHs the bases, huh Those pastries are lookin' good too, especially the Beaver Paws (used to call ‘em Bear Paws, but it IS Thanksgiving in Canada dontchano!!) Anyway, a mugga Joe with a jolt to start the day will do for me!
Joyous Thanksgiving Greetings to our friends in Canada and down here (Cap'ns Mrs. comes to mind!)
Anyone else having log-in problems????!!!! This is getting to be a routine thing for me . . . took about an hour to finally log on. <barf>
Boris, feed the crittAHs with the "holiday special" - double portions! And a LARGE jar of PPF for YOU! I noted that one of our customers has taken a "shine" to you with a jar of PPF over the weekend.
A successful 1st Saturday for the Oktoberfest! Train rides were jammed - oooooompah music still rings in my ears <phew> - 'n I can't get the taste of those "wursts" outta my mouth. <geesh>
Rant for the day! Around here ‘n especially within the Norwegian ‘n Swedish communities, there is NO WAY that Columbus "discovered America." This has ALWAYS been a huge bone of contention with those who have decided to make the history "fit" a particular situation. Without getting into "it" any further, it's wrong, wrong, wrong to revise history just to satisfy the wishes of any particular ethnicity, religion or nationality. Just plain wrong, wrong, wrong and in the U.S. we do it all the time.
While everyone's efforts over the weekend are appreciated, I too have to make special mention of the fine posts from Per (marthastrainyard) ‘n Pete (pwolfe). Just wonderful efforts!
For Da Bossman: Terrific Alaska RR Adventure photos! My Mrs. and I WILL take that trip and it is because of your photos from this year ‘n last. Just terrific!!
Two good flicks at the Emporium! I like Hornblower ‘n am "wishing" for the DVD set for Christmas! <grin> Also am a huge Robert Duvall fan, especially westerns. Nice choices, mate!
For Pete: After reading your description of the SKITTLES game, I think I'd do quite well ONLY after having a ‘snoot full' of course! <grin>
For Per: You surely have come back with a BANG - just couldn't believe how complete you made the summary of conversations ‘n photos here at the bar!
You were in Denver for the LAST DR&RGW "silver horses" train!!!! Too bad about not getting on board. Do you have photos from that event Bet it was quite a scene!!! Don't know if you've "caught" any of my comments in past postings about the trips my family took from Chicago to the Bay Area aboard the Zephyrs. Anyway, those dome cars were terrific ‘n my father ALWAYS made sure that my sister ‘n I ALWAYS had seats up there. Can't tell you for certain how many round trips we made, but we did it ever summer for many, many years. He (and my grandfather) were retirees from the B&O with passes . . . say no more, huh
Anytime a bus is "injected" into what should be a train trip can (and does) ruin one's day! The most recent experience that Pete ‘n Tom had with their Gaspe trip comes to mind. BummAH, for sure!
Somewhere in my memory bank I do recall seeing one of those UP two-tone grey steamers ‘n tender. Looked pretty "cool" to me . . . nevAH was a fan of left coast trains, BUT when it came to "oogling" ‘n "drooling" over steamers, wellllllllllllll.
Not to worry about the "Mets thing" - just like the Eagle's song "Get Over it!" - I did <maybe>! <groan>
For Eric: Reptiles need only one more round, then it's the World Series! You gottaluvit!
Haven't the "foggiest" about that SP car - but yes, I agree, she does look "injured." Most probably was on her side once upon a time would be my guess. Too bad we no longer see West Coast S (Dave) ‘round here - he'd have the answer. <groan>
Enjoyed the photos from your friend!
A smile to begin the week!
I'd see if I could find the guy that lost it, and if he was poor, I'd give it back.
<A Yogi-ism!>
Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian friends ‘n families on either side of the 49th!!
Columbus Day in the U.S. - it's one of those "Is it a holiday or isn't it " NOT observed equally throughout the land . . .unless you're a banker, postal employee or "fed."
In my not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN it's way past due to scrap this contrived "discovery of America holiday."It surely wasn't Columbus!!
Monday ‘n a day OFF for our Canadian friends north of the border! Eat, drink ‘n be merry for tomorrow the U.S. dollar will rebound! <grin>
For the rest of us, EXCEPT for a select few, the coffee's hot - pastries fresh ‘n breakfasts ready for cookin'!!
Watch for an"Our" Place Rendezvous 2008 announcement this morning!! <suspense>
Customer BRIEF Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Saturday - Oct 6th:
Jan (JanOlov) at 8:41 AM: Shake!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:16 AM: 10 wunnerful DOME fotos!
Jan (JanOlov) at 12:17 PM: Noticed Pix!
Fergie (Fergmiester) at 1:37 PM: Back to sea!
Jim (nutmeg1) at 3:06 PM: A browser stops in!
Pete (pwolfe) at 5:38 PM: Super fine INCLUSIVE Post from our Bar Chandler ‘n Mid-Missouri Connection! Nice fotos too!
Alaska Pix taken with my digital . . . Anyway, all shots were from MOVING trains - with the exception of depot fotos. You can tell the inside-the-car shots by the reflections from the windows. Tried to get most of ‘em out on the observation deck with the wind about to blow me away! [swg
Ron (DD1) at 6:02 PM: Bar talk!
When there's nothing to say about this or that, one can ALWAYS make comments on the Posts since the last visit . . . Kinda lets the guys know that their efforts have been noted ‘n appreciated!
Eric (EricX2000) at 7:59 PM: Fine inclusive Post w/Pix!! All girl's Dart's team from The Second Class Saloon! We're READY for ‘em - as once said, "Bring ‘em on!! PLEASE! <pant> <pant> <pant>
Sure looks like a Pontiac parked by that fine looking cabin in the forest! Not a Volvo or Saab Hmmmmmmmm. <grin>
Foto appreciation goes to your friend, Hans!
Per (marthastrainyard) at 10:32 PM: OUTSTANDING inclusive, informative ‘n interesting Post from our Resident Cowboy Swede!
With that jar of PPF, you've made a friend for life with our Cloven-footed Cyclops called Boris! <uh oh>
Nice of you to get with the Oktoberfest!!
Your stanza from In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus:
In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus:Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . .Da läuft so manches Fäßchen aus:Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . .Da hat so manche braver Mann:Eins, zwei, g&#
Greetings Tom and gentlemen.....
YEEESSSS! I finally managed to get into the bar after umptin times trying....
May I have....eeerrmmm....something German please? Whatever you recommend..... While you're at it, would you mind to top the lads pints as well and give their usual cigars too please. Here's something for yourself...
$$$$ for the jukebox and Mr Wurlitzer....
pwolfe, that's some nice pics from the museum . The BR used to have some nice looking diesels and rugged they were too. Those that you heard most about was the Deltics(?). Hope to see some more from you...
EricX2000, well, as my dad put it about the V1 and V3, he didn't like them at all.... Too cramp, too jumpy etc....ended up comparing them to a horseback ride.... Preffered the T-21 if I remember correctly. I'll ask again to get a more complete report if you want....
Great pics as always mate. Looking at that hous in the woods and thinking back to where I grew up, no wonder that I prefer the northern states of the U.S. Anyhting with high mountains and I feel right at home....
marthastrainyard, I fired those steamers while "working" for local railroad musuem. I think that the steam locomotive societies today in Sweden have the same problems as those in the U.S etc. nowhere to run. Should they find somewhere to run it cost a fortune and take six months to do all the paperwork.....
Great pics as usual mate . I never gonna get used to the modern diesels and odd shapes with strange angles here and there....
Da Larsman, great pics on some awesome looking cars... I wouldn't mind to own one of those dome observation cars and travel from the east coast to the west coast...would probably cost more than all the gold that you guys have in Fort Knox...
As for picture taking.....isn't that always the "rule" folks, as soon as you put up your camera on your tripod or just shoot from the hip....people seem to come from nowhere and gather infront of you so that you see all....?
See you around the corner.....
I wonder why the Bar is closed today, during the OKTOBER FEST? Kind of strange. I saw the Second Class Bar was open and full of people, laughing and drinking eastern European Beer.
Per – I am very impressed! You speak German like you haven’t done anything else all your life! I also spent a day in Värtan 1981 to see the “parade” of locomotives and trains. The problem is, I have no clue where my slides are. The V3s were built by Esslingen in Germany. The English switcher, V1, was built by English Electric. SJ had four of those and they looke very much like V3. The paintjob on the T43 is Swedtrac’s livery. Swedtrac is part of a company, SWT, and it is their logo. I don’t know anything about SWT. Very nice pictures of #3751 and the brand new #7744. No doubt, 3751 wins the beauty contest by a wide margin! But I bet, as an engineer, 7754 wins the comfort contest! Lars – A bunch of very nice dome cars! But I really don’t like the Milwaukee Road #54. Too much dome I guess, I am not sure.
Northern Arizona.
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers waiting for the bar to open!
This is NFL day at my hut! Jints vs Jets over in the Meadowlands . . . "game on" SOON! Go Jints!!
I'll save the comments on the posts since my last visit - as this is SUNDAY, the day we are CLOSED! This is just a little something slipped through the mail slot to satisfy those of you with that "fix" required for REAL Classic Trains 24/7!!
DRGW #1105 Silver Bronco (1980) (from: www.trainweb.org)
Union Pacific 7003 (from: www.trainweb.org)
Union Pacific 7001 Columbine (from: http://www.trainweb.org/) [this is the one Pete took a photo of with the ‘dome on dome" in Jefferson City, MO!!)
Illinois Central #2200, former MP #890 (from: www.trainweb.com)
Illinois Central #2210, former MP #894 (from: www.trainweb.com)
Missouri Pacific #893 The Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)
Illinois Central #2201, former MP #891 (from: www.trainweb.com)
Missouri Pacific #891 Colorado Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)
Misouri Pacific (MP) #890 as #590 (1964) (from: www.trainweb.com)
Milkwaukee Road #54 (from: www.trainweb.com)
Until the next time!
Lars
Good Evening everybody present, and Happy Oktoberfest, or should I say Fröhlicher Oktoberfest! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I like a large Spaten Optimator, please, and a nice Wienerschnitzel to go with that; you can leave those little green pepper corn off, I won’t eat them. I hear Boris likes Pickled Pigs Feet so I brought a jar for him. Here Boris, easy now.
In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus: Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . . Da läuft so manches Fäßchen aus: Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . . Da hat so manche braver Mann: Eins, zwei, g'suffa . . . Gezeigt was er so vertragen kann Schon früh am Morgen fing er an Und spät am Abend kam er heraus So schön ist's im Hofbräuhaus.
So, can we drink now? Or did we come to sing?
Tom, Thanks for the background on “CM3 I’m NOT Shane”. That’s quite a story, now I think I shall go back and call him just CM3.
Your definition of a ship vs. a boat is the same as my wife has and she comes from an all-Navy family so that seems to be the going definition over here.
I like your article on BAR. One of my early locomotives was a BL-2 painted in the BAR scheme. I see that they have a whopping 2 passenger cars. I wonder how they can get both passenger trains going with just two cars? Bbut maybe they provided one car in each train and the through cars made up for the rest. Nice paint job on the E6(?) on the book cover!
That D&H PA is a beauty! I hear that some of them went to Mexico and they run down there in the same paint scheme. I think I read somwhere that a couple are still hanging around, although in pretty bad shape. The similarity to the Warbonnet scheme is striking. I wonder how that came about? Or were these ex-ATSF units?
I liked your write-up on the Milwaukee Road. Every time I read about the small lines that were the beginning of a larger road, I’m wondering if there is a “Family Tree” showing all the railroads and how they absorbed in, and spun off from, other companies to eventuall form what we have today. It must be an enormous task to draw up something like that, and I wonder what wall would be big enough to display it.
Really nice pictures from Mt. McKinley. I bet you wouldn’t mine that cottage up there, would you? I’ll fight you for it, at least for the summer months, in spite of the mosquitos.
Open Range seems to be a movie to watch this week at the theatre. I just got a “Gunsmoke” movie that I watched and that is now going to my daughter who is a real Gunsmoke fan.
Eric, Thanks for reminding me of the 125th SJ anniversary. I spent almost all day at Värtan trying to get in a good position for taking pictures of the “parade” just to have a group of “professional” photographers setting up their equipment just in front of me (on the other side of the fence, of course). It was a great parade, and it seems that the one you have pictures from was just as good.
The V3 is German made (Henschel?), but wasn’t there a very similar looking switcher that was made in UK?
You have (had) a nice place back in the old country! Bambi showing up for breakfast and everything. Yes, the road looks a bit icy but that’s just a minor drawback and well compensated for compared to the surroundings.
What paintjob is that on the T43? I see it’s owned by the railroad museum, but what logo is that?
Al, I was afraid those Tui girls were for advertising only. Oh well, it save me a lot of money in air fare, doesn’t it?
Fergie, Going off the Continental Shelf with that newly repaired shaft, eh? You must have confidence in those repair crews. I wish you good luck and safe returns.
Jan Olov, Did you drive those engines as an SJ employee or were you involved in a museum operation? I would suspect SJ since you have such a varying background with many different locomotive classes. And I see it runs in the family as well. My dad was a fireman at BKB for a short while before he switched career.
Nice pictures of the 4-8-4’s. That Chief is really good looking. A sister engine, 3751, is preserved in California and it traveled under its own steam to the Fullerton Railroad Days this year:
And parked opposite to that was 7744:
I think the 3751 wins the beauty contest hands down even though the 7744 was so new you could almost smell the fresh paint!
Lars (Lovedomes), Good to know my eyes weren’t playing a joke on me with that tender. The models that came out in the 50’s and 60’s had a very modified logo but I guess enough time has passed now so they can print as the were. I agree with you that it is silly to try to change history in every place. Tha
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Hi Leon, a Filet Mignon with lots of mushrooms, please! Medium.
Just a quick stop to post a few pictures.
JanOlov – I am looking forward to your Dad’s response! A whole bunch of very powerful 4-8-4 pictures today! Impressive!Tom – I think your grandpa was right about his name!! What did you two do at the Second Class Saloon? Checked the girls, or what? I’ve heard they (Second Class Saloon) have a (very good looking) lady team this year but they keep it secret so it will be a big surpise and confuse us when the battle starts! Thanks for the reports from last year’s Dart’s Challenge ‘n Grudge Match, Part Deux!!I am glad we have such an outstanding star reporter to give us all the information about those exciting days!Alaska Pictures! Thanks for the pictures! Beautiful nature! At least in the summer time!! Pix #3 and #4 reminded me about my promise to show a pix of my home in the old country today. I have been looking around but can’t find the photo I was thinking about but here is a not so good pix:
Watch out for the icy driveway!
Just outside the kitchen window.A new week and new movies! I like especially #2, Open Range!Lars – Have you started your dart training yet? Nice dome cars! But I don’t know what happened to SP’s #3606 full length dome? The whole body is full of “wrinkles”! Had it been in an accident? Jim – Thanks for the nice words! Maybe one day you will change your mind and become a regular guest!Pete – I guess my memory is not what it is supposed to be, but for some reason I was sure I saw something about #4294 was operational. Anyway, it looks great!Watch out for the lady team Second Class Saloon is putting together this year! They will be dressed in a way that will make it hard for us to concentrate on the dart. You know what I mean! Nice pictures from the National Railway Museum! That is a tiny tank engine! Good looking Pullman cars! Ron – My knowledge about bars is next to non existent. The only one I go to is “Our” Place! But it is probably true what you say about bartenders now and yesteryear!
A few pictures in no particular order. All taken by my friend Hans Polanik.
A Class B.
Next to a Class R, 0-10-0, waiting for order to proceed. Class R was built from 1908 for iron ore trains in the most northern part of Sweden, north of the Arctic Circle.
A Class T43 (GM Diesel).
And the engineer on the same engine.
Have a nice weekend!
Good day Tom and all at the bar flies. Drinks all around. October is my favorite month because of Oktoberfest. Any month that has to do with drinking my favorite brew, is a good month. What we need desperately is a Scotch Whisky festival. Scotland would be the logical place, but Mississippi would be as good a place as any. Since I'm short on railroad stuff, I'll try to fill in with what I have the most knowledge.
Conversation in the bars, pubs and saloons I have frequented, have been about sports, girls, racing, girls, TV and girls. I can't recall ever conversing about trains other than about the tragic train wreck on the LIRR. My time spent in bars was considered "quality" time, a term reserved for the bars of yesteryear. In those days, there was a camaraderie that doesn't exist anymore, except at "Our Place". I can remember them as an institution where for the price of a beer, you could talk to your friends and tell your friendly bartender all your troubles. I think things really changed when women became bartenders. The place would become a place to hit on a gal.
When I frequented bars, you always bought a round for the bar and for the bartender. The bartender was expert in mixing drinks. Back then, you drank either beer, straight shots or boiler makers, not mojo's, strawberry daiquiri's or the thousands of "women's" drinks. Today's bar scene is women, drugs, wise guys, gays, punks and guys trying to score. That is why I don't frequent them anymore. I'm sure you guys have similar thoughts about this.
There was a bar in San Francisco that I used to go to. It was called the Temple Bar located down an alley and staffed by a veteran bartender, who was one of the last remaining who knew how to make the perfect martini. I learned from him the art of the martini, which to this day, I can still do. If you want to know how, I'll share the secret upon request.
Well CINDY it seems the Oktoberfest is going great with the band playing well and a great trip around the Cam-Am, earlier, yes H&H you look very handsome in the lederhosen. So a stein of one the German brews and a plate of sausage please.
ALLAN I must admit I think the Newcastle Broon tastes different than it used to in the 1960s.
Yes, I think ten-pin bowling originated from what we used to call Long Alley skittles, which was played along the floor. There used to be very keen leagues played, I know, around the Gloucester and Bristol area, I suppose they are still going on today. I have though about getting a skittle table imported over here, I'm sure I could make a bob or two at fairs etc, but it would cost a fortune to bring one over even if I could find one for sale.
The ‘Toon' has had some great players. Am I right in thinking the Charlton Brothers were born in the same village as George Stephenson.
Glad you are enjoying the photos.
ERIC Many thanks for the link to the BNSF CRS and their video. To me it makes a great deal of sense to run this sort of program, I hope the other Class 1s will follow suit.
I think a return to California in the future would be great and it will be interesting to see what exhibits will be on the floor they were working on while we were there.
I don't think #4294 is operational, from what I gathered there maybe some items on the locomotive missing like cab fittings, it seems it was a close thing that # 4294 was saved The loco looks in superb condition. I bet Dave and Per will know more.
Snow as the secret weapon at the Second Class Saloon and that sounds very interesting about what you saw Vito The Hit doing.
JAN Thanks for the kind words. Many moons ago now there used to be a television program, that aired infrequently, hosted by the famous England fast bowler Fred Truman that featured the little known sports and pub games. It was a great program but I don't think it ran for long.
I know it would cost a LOT of money but it would be great if ever they could get the cab- forward or a big-boy back in steam. I am sure a publicity tour with the locomotive would bring crowds if advertised and earn the railroad a lot of goodwill. Don't suppose it will happen but at least we can dream and the locos still exist.
Many thanks for those great 4-8-4s, powerful looking engines indeed.
LARS. The tent is looking in fine shape, I am sure RUTH will enjoy working in there, it will be a good afternoon with the band sounding on top form.
Many thanks for those great Dome Cars.
FERGIE Great to see the shaft problem is fixed without needing to go to the dry dock and you are back at sea.
What exactly are you doing for the Brits.
Calm seas and a good voyage.
TOM I think you would soon get the hang of Skittles. We used to get some people from North America having a vacation on the canal that ran through the village, and they would tie up and visit the local pub which had a skittle table, and would very often have a go a the game. The main rule we had to tell them was the cheeses had to be thrown below shoulder height. I will explain more at the rendezvous.
I must admit Pat's does not let me run up the bar tab as Our Place does.
I guess the railway workshops still do overhauls of their locomotives or is that done by the manufactures now. I wonder when the last new locomotive was built by a railroad company.
Many thanks for the First Mentor Darts Match report encore; the reporter is certainly not afraid of danger in making the world know about the tournament, as none of the players has a clue what went on. I wonder what the Second Class Saloon lot has got in store for us this year. Great to see the report again.
Surely the Denali Star was not moving when you took the Alaska pictures, they are so in focus and clear even the trees close to the car. Were they taken with the camera you have now
ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!
at "Our" Place!
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!
Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . October 7th thru 13th: Horatio Hornblower - The Fire Ships (1999) Starring: Ioan Gruffudd, Robert Lindsay (II), Denis Lawson, Ian McNeice & Andrew Tiernan - and - Open Range (2003) Starring: Robert Duvall, Kevin Costner, Patricia Benedict, Annette Bening, Abraham Benrubi, Kim Coates & Diego Diablo Del Mar. SHORT: The Three Stooges - They Stooge To Conga (1943).
Horatio Hornblower - The Fire Ships (1999)
PLOT SUMMARY:
Based on the rousing sea adventures in C.S. Forester's novel Mr. Midshipman Hornblower, the four-film television series Horatio Hornblower explores the education of a plucky young officer rising through the ranks of His Majesty's Navy. Ioan Gruffudd is all integrity and honor as the ambitious midshipman who is taken under the stern yet nurturing guidance of Captain Pellew (Robert Lindsay) during the war against France in the French Revolution. Through these four adventures he faces a vindictive senior midshipman ("The Even Chance"); meets his hero, a reckless captain whose unorthodox methods are brave but foolhardy ("The Examination for Lieutenant"); is captured by the Spanish in a desperate maneuver to sneak through enemy lines ("The Duchess and the Devil"); and leads his men to French soil in an ill-planned attempt by French loyalists to start a popular front against the revolution ("The Frogs and the Lobsters"). The excellent re-creations of 18th-century vessels and ship-to-ship battles are astounding and reminiscent of such classic Hollywood seafaring adventures as Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk, not to mention Captain Horatio Hornblower, with Gregory Peck as the only previous screen incarnation of Forester's hero. This mixture of swashbuckling adventure and British naval tradition is leavened with well-placed humor and a cast of colorful characters, but at the heart of the tales is Gruffudd's quick-thinking, courageous Hornblower, a starry-eyed officer with the luck of the gods and the steely determination of an old-fashioned hero. --Sean Axmaker
NOTE: For the next seveal weeks at The Emporium Theatre one feature will be a Horatio Hornblower classic!
Open Range (2003)
Released almost exactly 11 years after Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven, Kevin Costner's Open Range proved yet again that the Western is the classic American genre. While it lacks the thematic impact of Eastwood's masterpiece, Costner's first film since 1997's ill-fated The Postman returns the actor/director of Dances With Wolves to the open prairies of America--in this case the free-range frontier of 1882--where legal "free-grazing" cattle drives were falling prey to empire-building land-owners. In the wake of territorial murder, free-grazing cowboys Boss (Robert Duvall) and Charley (Costner) seek vengeful justice against the ruthless rancher (Michael Gambon) who threatens their law-abiding survival. A feisty ally (the late Michael Jeter, in his next-to-final film role) and a doctor's sister (Annette Bening) offer support during climactic shootouts, masterfully staged with the shock and suddenness of real-life gunfire. Rich in character development and thick-hided humor, this handsome production redeemed Costner's directorial career with a well-told story (by Craig Storper, based on Lauran Paine's novel The Open Range Men), flawless performances, and stunning Canadian locations. --Jeff Shannon
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SHORT: The Three Stooges - They Stooge to Conga (1943)
The Stooges are fix-it men who are employed to fix the doorbell in a house that belongs to a nest of German and Japanese spies. Moe, Larry and Curly proceed to destroy the walls of the house looking for the problem before moving outside. Curly is then sent up to fix the wires atop a telephone pole. While "fixing" the lines, Curly slides his chair towards the window of the spies' main control room and crash through the window inside. He discovers their sabotage plans and he, with Moe and Larry manage to sabotage the saboteurs and g Happy Railroading! Siberianmo nutmeg1 Member sinceDecember 2006 From: Connecticut 10 posts Posted by nutmeg1 on Saturday, October 6, 2007 3:06 PM Hello,I just dropped off a few words on the site for REAL Classic Trains - including TRACTION and thought a stop here would help a bit in getting something going on this Saturday.Before anyone "jumps" at me to become a customer, I am really not interested in the back and forth stuff on the internet, either here or on other sites. Just happen to really enjoy browsing this particular one because of the fantastic amount of information provided. I go weeks between sessions and who knows when I'll pass this way again.Siberianmo does one fine job with this and I was a browser back before he closed down operations some time ago. Glad to see things are going so well, although this site seems to have lost quite a few of the contributors from the past.I have never found a site with so many fine photographs that are unselfishly shared with everyone. Shows just how unselfish you guys are, especially when the photographs are from your own resources. Kudos!Anyway, best wishes to all of you ADULT train enthusiasts from pretty much all over the world! That is something to be proud of too! Continued success to all who have helped make this such an enjoyable place to "browse" and if my words help to keep you going - good!Have a drink on me! I will be watching from the sidelines!Jim in Connecticut Fergmiester Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Out on the Briny Ocean Tossed 4,240 posts Posted by Fergmiester on Saturday, October 6, 2007 1:37 PM Good Afternoon Tom and company.Just a quick sailpast as we are back out and off the Continental Shelf recovering and deploying moorings for the Brits right now. Our shaft problems are hopefully behind or should I say aft of us nowMight as top up the mug with a fresh brew.Thanks All Fergie http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959 If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007 JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Saturday, October 6, 2007 12:17 PM Greetings Tom and gentlemen....Could I have another extra cold Guinness please? Top up with cigars for the lads too if you don't mind....here, get yourself something as well.$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....Tom, absolutely stunning pics of Alaska! Really look forward to see what you'll follow up with. Da Larsman, the ultimate in train travel must have been the dome observations, right? Great pics as always mate....Allow me to get you a couple of nice drams.... All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, October 6, 2007 12:02 PM ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!at "Our" Place!We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs! G'day Gents!Continuing the Saturday series of my 2006 Alaskan Rail Adventure . . . . . here's 10 more! (1) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (2) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (telefoto) (3) Someone's home! En route Anchorage aboard southbound Denali Star (4) No neighbors! En route Ancorage aboard southbound Denali Star (5) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (6) En route Anchorage aboard southbound Denali Star (7) Most majestic Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (8) Distant Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (9) Telefoto of Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (10) Final view of Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo « First«50515253545556»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Hello,
I just dropped off a few words on the site for REAL Classic Trains - including TRACTION and thought a stop here would help a bit in getting something going on this Saturday.
Before anyone "jumps" at me to become a customer, I am really not interested in the back and forth stuff on the internet, either here or on other sites. Just happen to really enjoy browsing this particular one because of the fantastic amount of information provided. I go weeks between sessions and who knows when I'll pass this way again.
Siberianmo does one fine job with this and I was a browser back before he closed down operations some time ago. Glad to see things are going so well, although this site seems to have lost quite a few of the contributors from the past.
I have never found a site with so many fine photographs that are unselfishly shared with everyone. Shows just how unselfish you guys are, especially when the photographs are from your own resources. Kudos!
Anyway, best wishes to all of you ADULT train enthusiasts from pretty much all over the world! That is something to be proud of too!
Continued success to all who have helped make this such an enjoyable place to "browse" and if my words help to keep you going - good!
Have a drink on me!
I will be watching from the sidelines!
Jim in Connecticut
Good Afternoon Tom and company.
Just a quick sailpast as we are back out and off the Continental Shelf recovering and deploying moorings for the Brits right now. Our shaft problems are hopefully behind or should I say aft of us now
Might as top up the mug with a fresh brew.
Thanks All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Greetings Tom and gentlemen....
Could I have another extra cold Guinness please? Top up with cigars for the lads too if you don't mind....here, get yourself something as well.
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....
Tom, absolutely stunning pics of Alaska! Really look forward to see what you'll follow up with.
Da Larsman, the ultimate in train travel must have been the dome observations, right? Great pics as always mate....
Allow me to get you a couple of nice drams....
Continuing the Saturday series of my 2006 Alaskan Rail Adventure . . . . . here's 10 more!
(1) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star
(2) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star (telefoto)
(3) Someone's home! En route Anchorage aboard southbound Denali Star
(4) No neighbors! En route Ancorage aboard southbound Denali Star
(5) Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star
(6) En route Anchorage aboard southbound Denali Star
(7) Most majestic Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star
(8) Distant Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star
(9) Telefoto of Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star
(10) Final view of Mt. McKinley from southbound Denali Star
Enjoy!
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