ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!
at "Our" Place!
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!
G'day Gents!
As "threatened," here are a couple of terrific ENCORE! presentations from our WVA Connection . . . these should set the stage for our upcoming Dart's Challenge 'n Grudge Match, Part Deux!
<Posted by: CM3 Shane on 24 Oct 2006, Page 416 on the Original Thread>
Since Mentor operates in a parallel time zone, here's a report on festivities leading up to the first game of the tournament. I Love a ParadeGreetings again from our observation deck (aka Immodium Acres) high atop Majestic Mount Mentor, where we gaze out over the crepuscular crushed catapult cogs that are still smoldering behind the Second Class Saloon. The first contest is finished (and it looks to this reporters red rimmed eyes that so are many of the contestants). But let's begin at the beginning.Some of our more stalwart readers may remember a few days ago that this reporter managed an exclusive interview with Man Mountain Mike. The subject was the stacks of lumber, coils of rope, and many used vehicles stacked behind the Second Class Saloon. You will also recall (yeah, that's likely!), that your intrepid reporter found blueprints for a catapult. Well, our suspicions were confirmed. The Second Class folks somehow managed to cobble all of these pieces together into a working medieval monstrosity. It was, however, carefully hidden under a tarp which was further camouflaged by huge piles of empty beer cans. Your reporter's surmise is that the Second Class Trogs were working on this infernal machine while the Our Place patrons attention was distracted by the activities that occurred at the barbeque and pep rally. It was now time for the pregame parade to the Second Class Saloon. The boys were formed up and the cheerleaders were in good shape (oh, yeah!), and the parade stepped off (make that fell off the porch) right about on time - sort of like the Mentor Street Railway.. A sudden crash from behind the Second Class Saloon, and the tarp and beer cans fell away, revealing the catapult in all its majesty. The next thing we knew the parade was under fire from a hail of crushed Gremlins, Pacers, Edsels, and Corvairs (where did they find all of this stuff?) All participants scattered as the crushed cars cascaded crazily from the clouds. After awhile it was clear that the Second Class Catapulteers were beginning to get the range of the Our Place building. However, the Our Place folks had a trick of their own. You will recall that the railroad had sort of hosted the pre tournament barbeque and pep rally. The Our Place cheerleaders somehow (we will not tell) managed to bribe the Mentor section gang into raising the Our Place building and placing crib blocks, freight car trucks (roller bearing of course,) and rails under the structure. When the barrage began, the crew fell to with a will. Awk flew forward observer duty and spotted the trajectories of the crushed cars as they rained down. The track crew pushed and pulled the building "just enough" to avoid the hail of Gremlins, Pacers, Edsels, and Corvairs. The situation ‘twas indeed ‘parlous as Awk had disappeared. It was then that a flight of Spads from the Greater Mentor Vintage Flight, Balloon, and Social Club appeared. Awk was in the first plane, calling down a hail of suppressing fire upon the catapult. A humming, buzzing, sound filled the sky and the Zeppelin appeared floating lazily over the field of conflict. For once, Boris did something constructive. He lobbed a Molotov cocktail (made of something from the never-ending Oktoberfest punch bowl) from the Zeppelin into the turntable pit. There was enough ‘oomph left in the turntable pit from the beans that a massive explosion followed. Given the terrain around the Mentor freight yard, the explosive forces propagated in such a way that the catapult was destroyed. What a way to start the tournament!I have seen enough to know I have seen too much; back to the studios high atop Majestic Mount Mentor.
I Love a Parade
Greetings again from our observation deck (aka Immodium Acres) high atop Majestic Mount Mentor, where we gaze out over the crepuscular crushed catapult cogs that are still smoldering behind the Second Class Saloon. The first contest is finished (and it looks to this reporters red rimmed eyes that so are many of the contestants). But let's begin at the beginning.
Some of our more stalwart readers may remember a few days ago that this reporter managed an exclusive interview with Man Mountain Mike. The subject was the stacks of lumber, coils of rope, and many used vehicles stacked behind the Second Class Saloon. You will also recall (yeah, that's likely!), that your intrepid reporter found blueprints for a catapult.
Well, our suspicions were confirmed. The Second Class folks somehow managed to cobble all of these pieces together into a working medieval monstrosity. It was, however, carefully hidden under a tarp which was further camouflaged by huge piles of empty beer cans. Your reporter's surmise is that the Second Class Trogs were working on this infernal machine while the Our Place patrons attention was distracted by the activities that occurred at the barbeque and pep rally.
It was now time for the pregame parade to the Second Class Saloon. The boys were formed up and the cheerleaders were in good shape (oh, yeah!), and the parade stepped off (make that fell off the porch) right about on time - sort of like the Mentor Street Railway..
A sudden crash from behind the Second Class Saloon, and the tarp and beer cans fell away, revealing the catapult in all its majesty. The next thing we knew the parade was under fire from a hail of crushed Gremlins, Pacers, Edsels, and Corvairs (where did they find all of this stuff?) All participants scattered as the crushed cars cascaded crazily from the clouds.
After awhile it was clear that the Second Class Catapulteers were beginning to get the range of the Our Place building. However, the Our Place folks had a trick of their own. You will recall that the railroad had sort of hosted the pre tournament barbeque and pep rally. The Our Place cheerleaders somehow (we will not tell) managed to bribe the Mentor section gang into raising the Our Place building and placing crib blocks, freight car trucks (roller bearing of course,) and rails under the structure. When the barrage began, the crew fell to with a will. Awk flew forward observer duty and spotted the trajectories of the crushed cars as they rained down. The track crew pushed and pulled the building "just enough" to avoid the hail of Gremlins, Pacers, Edsels, and Corvairs.
The situation ‘twas indeed ‘parlous as Awk had disappeared. It was then that a flight of Spads from the Greater Mentor Vintage Flight, Balloon, and Social Club appeared. Awk was in the first plane, calling down a hail of suppressing fire upon the catapult. A humming, buzzing, sound filled the sky and the Zeppelin appeared floating lazily over the field of conflict. For once, Boris did something constructive. He lobbed a Molotov cocktail (made of something from the never-ending Oktoberfest punch bowl) from the Zeppelin into the turntable pit. There was enough ‘oomph left in the turntable pit from the beans that a massive explosion followed. Given the terrain around the Mentor freight yard, the explosive forces propagated in such a way that the catapult was destroyed. What a way to start the tournament!
I have seen enough to know I have seen too much; back to the studios high atop Majestic Mount Mentor.
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<Posted by: CM3 Shane on 26 Oct 2006, Page 417 on the Original Thread>
Let the Games Begin - There's No Crying in DartsGreetings from our studios high atop Majestic Mount Mentor. I am tonight hunched over the old Underwood upright and am at a loss (Boris, give me back my wallet, thank you) to try and describe the first game of the darts tournament. The pregame festivities resumed once the parade (not the contestants) reformed. The Greater Mentor Vintage Flight, Balloon and Social Club provided a flyover of several Gotha bombers. This was followed by a parade of flags, and the national anthems of all contestants involved in the tournament. The Transylvanian national anthem is, indeed, a toe tapping ditty. Not too many folks paid attention to the opening ceremonies as the refreshments flowed and the bets were heavy.As a refresher, darts is a game played between two players or two teams. Each player throws three darts in a turn. Then the darts are retrieved. Darts must stay on the board for at least five seconds after a player's final throw. Throws don't count if they stick in another dart or fall off the board. If a player's foot (paw or tentacle) crosses the line or if a player falls over the line, the throw doesn't count. There are no "do-overs" in darts.Scoring is pretty straightforward. In the wedge; the amount posted on the outer ring. Double ring (outer narrow ring) twice the number hit. Triple ring, three times the Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, October 6, 2007 9:16 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Cindy my sweet, you look absolutely stunning in those lederhosen that almost fit you! [wow Cute little hat with a feather too . . . . I see Ruth is on the schedule for working out in the tent this afternoon! <double wow> Just a mugga Joe with a jolt if you will. Boris, the gang needs to be fed ‘n when you're finished, get into your outfit - time's a wastin'!! Oh of course, the small jar of PPF is for YOU! <grin>While we didn't have a whole lotta material yesterday, we did have enough customers to keep the receipts piled up. Looks like I'll just HAVE to go through ‘em up in the Penthouse Suite B4 day's end . . . . <woe is me!> I loved those "all hands' announcements from our Cap'n! Oh how I wish my memory wasn't so "fuzzy," for there were so many great ones I heard when in the Navy - kinda like jokes, I can't recall a one, nary a one from all I've heard in my lifetime. Ain't that the pits Some guys can rattle ‘em off one after another - not me. Glad to see my steamers got Jan ‘n Shane's attention! Good to see the photos from Pete 'n Jan . . . 'n visits from Allan 'n Eric! Yeah, I was pretty much "on top" of your post yesterday morning. I had the CNW stuff in my photobucket - that was no sweat. I did have to look up the BAR, and presto-zingo, there it was! Almost like it was waiting to be plucked . . . <grin> I'm gonna get right to the Encore for this day, then I'm heading out back to help with setting up the Ocktoberfest tent ‘n stuff . . .Here are some of my favorite subjects - DOMES! Many have been seen on the "old thread" . . . .D&H #500/507 (from: www.trainweb.org - photo credit: Robert Staples)D&H #500/507 (photo credit: George Hamlin)Rock Island #1875 Quad Cities Rocket - Big Ben - (1972) (from: www.trainweb.org - photo: John Kuehl)Auto Train #510 (from: www.trainweb.com)ATSF #501 Super Chief dome-lounge (from: www.trainweb.com)NP #379 in service (from: www.trainweb.org)SP #3606 full length dome (from: LA River RRs)DRGW #1108 Silver Pony (1980) (from: www.trainweb.org)DRGW #1107 Silver Mustang (1982) (from: www.trainweb.org)DRGW #1106 Silver Colt (1982) (from: www.trainweb.org)Until the next time! Lars JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Saturday, October 6, 2007 8:41 AM I forgot to give credit to Yesteryeardepot this time....darn...double darn *hat in hands and with bent head in shame* ! It has been corrected now. Too much of a rush to get back to my Milwaukee Road books recently purchased...Now, should I pay off this wee felony with polishing of all our brass etc or buy you a large dram?Don't be silly Tom, no need whatsoever to apologise for being on me mate. I just simply forgot to put in the credits this time. if there's ANY apologies neded they're to come from me. You're doing your best to keep yours and our backs clean and all that....Shake? All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, October 6, 2007 8:28 AM <personal foto>Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!It's the first Saturday in October! Let the party begin! But first, some coffee, pastries ‘n breakfast selections just to "fortify" the innards! <grin> Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place begins TODAY at Noon! We are featuring GERMAN brew all month! GERMAN sausages have been added to the menu for the month, with all the trimmings! On Saturday's in October The Mentor Village Teutonic Society will sponsor Oompah Music live at the "Our" Place picnic grounds Pavillion and Dance Emporium! Performers include the Sauerkraut Band, Electric Lederhosen and Burst the Wurst Trio Lederhosen and Alpine hats are being worn by "Our Place"! staff throughout the month! Full scale LGB trains will be running on the main lines for free round trips to Can-Am Gorge on weekends - 10 AM to 4 PM. First northbound departs the "Our" Place platform at 10 AM sharp, undt ve mean, sharp! PLAN TO SHARE THIS FALL CELEBRATION WITH US! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Friday - Oct 5th: Pete (pwolfe) at 4:21 PM: Wonderful spate of Sacramento RR museum fotos! Thanx for the explanation of the "skittles" game - sounds complex to me. I'd have to watch a match to fully comprehend it <I think> - but at any rate, I'm confident I'd "get it" - order a pint ‘n be right with the world! All this talk of your local tavern makes me wonder whether there's a conflict of interest going on!?!?!? You see, "Our" Place is where your allegiance ‘n money belongs! It's here where you're most appreciated for being YOU! So, be verrrrrrrrrrrry careful, Mate - Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his erstwhile assistant Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator MAY be checking out the situation . . . <uh oh>A thought regarding the rebuilding undertaken by some railroads "back in the day" . . . I can't imagine any of that taking place today. Probably would cost MORE for a rebuild than to order new - just the way of the times, eh Also, where would the skilled labor come from My Amtrak Tix arrived! Thanx for the visit ‘n chat! Allan (Gunneral) at 9:21 PM: I'm not surprised to learn that you share my feelings regarding the things that are important to the ways of our respective ways of life. Letting one's guard down is never the way to remain strong . . . ‘nuf said. <arrrrrggggghhhhh>Read a "blurb" about a NZ earthquake. Any problems where you are Hope not! All those years firing large guns . . . hope the hearing is still intact, Mate!! Aboard ship we called our Gunnersmates "cannon cockers" . . . You destroyed my image of the "guides" in the Tui Brewery! I'm not traveling half way ‘round the globe to be in company with some large man with a full beard! <yikes>Glad you're "up" for the upcoming Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match, Part Deux! The talk of relief for arthritis got my attention! Mussels, eh Never acquired a taste for ‘em, BUT I COULD - when's that plane leave for NZ Appreciate the visit, round ‘n dialogue! Saturday - Oct 6th: Eric (EricX2000) at 1 AM: Nice shot of The Second Class Saloon - that's Pete ‘n Moi coming out - caught us!! <grin>What's in a name Well to some it's a BIG thing. My paternal grandfather used to go completely bonkers whenever someone would spell the family name with two "Bs" - he said that he came to the new country with only his name and he'd be if he'd have it spelled incorrectly by anyone. He was quite serious. Funny how I've seen your last name appear several times since we met here at the bar. Only because I now know you of course is why it's familiar. But to see it with two "Fs" - well that brought back memories of grandpa! Haven't checked the AM Email yet - but between you ‘n Pete with responding to the Rendezvous planning AND the shirt selections for the Dart' Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Saturday, October 6, 2007 6:25 AM Greetings Tom and gentlemen,2.400th post!? Me...!? Well, THAT calls for celebrations!! Barkeep! Please bring out the best that the house has top offer....! Todays drinks are on me fellas!!$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....Tom, Alaska Rail Adventure coming to a conclusion?!It can't be possible...."shock....horror". I hope that you've planned a good follow up mate...right? pwolfe, anytime mate. Thanks for the info on Skittles. I've noticed that every now and then I come across a sport that's only played in a few villages and so on. Some more odd than the other. Great pics as well! Wouldn't you just LOVE to see that Cabforward steam again, hmm?Gunneral, as it now turns out mate, the Milwaukee Road and Hiawatha's etc has become an obsession here....but, can you blame me? Try to sleep whenever I get a chance. Usually a couple of hours when I come home and later during the another wee kip...EricX2000, I'll ask me dad in an email to see what he hs to say about the V1, V3 and others...I'll let you know. Some 4-8-4's to enjoy....Have a nice day and take care.See you around the corner....Santa Fe #3774 on "Chief" out of LA. Action and power is the name of the game as the bigSanta Fe Northern #3774 highball's the main with the"Chief" out of Los Angeles, California, 1939.Photographer: Fred C. StoesMilwaukee Railroad 4-8-4 #208/freight. Milwaukee Northern #208 is seen at Deerfield, Illinois witha long freight. Circa 1949.Photographer: Fred C. StoesRio Grande #1803 blasts out of Salida.A 4-8-4, #1803, Denver & Rio Grande Western beauty chargesthe main out of Salida, Colorado, November, 1939.Photographer: Fred C. StoesSP 4459/#98 Daylight Limited at 79mph.Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #4459 is on the head end of the"Daylight Limited", #98, as it charges the main throughthe Pajaro Valley at 79 miles-per-hour. The 4459 wasSKF roller bearinged on engine and tender and classed asa GS-5 because of it. Sister locomotive #4458 was theother GS-5, but with Timken roller bearings.Photograph by: Fred C. StoesLehigh Valley 4-8-4 loco #5126, 1934 Lehigh Valley Northern locomotive #5126 poses inthis 1934 photograph.Photograph by: UnknownNYC 4-8-4 6025/pass Bellefontaine 1946 In this exquisite shot New York Central 4-8-4 Niagaralocomotive #6025, with passenger train, is seen at theplatform of Bellefontaine, Ohio, 1946.Photographer: Fred C. StoesRichmond-Washington/RF&P 4-8-4 #613 The Richmond, Fredricksburg & Patomac Northern #613,"The John Marshall", was yet another locomotive operatingover the main. Baldwin built this big flyer during Aprilof 1945 under construction number 71992 to the same specs.as the #608.Photographer: UnknownA Powerful Wabash 4-8-4 #2904In this strong view a Wabash Northern poses atan unknown location. A mighty steam engine.Photographer: Paul L. ElienbergerCredit: yesteryeardepot. All the best! Jan EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Saturday, October 6, 2007 1:00 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, you are still keeping this place open at this early hour!!? I really appreciate it! I think a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich would be perfect! On rye, of course! I'll have an ice cold Keith's! Quite a few visitors here today, even though several were kind of in a hurry. Tom – Guten Morgen Herr Kapitän! Yes, I know about Affeldt. He is a pitcher. I saw him on TV not long ago. If he is related? Doubt it, but it is not impossible. I had ancestors who came to California in the early 1920’s. How many kids and grandkids, etc. they left behind, I don’t know. Recieved email, you should have my response when you read this. Chicago & NorthWestern! C&NW has a special place in my heart for different reasons. It was the first US railroad I knew as a kid, and I bought a two unit model (A+B) of a C&NW F7 in 1961 that is still around. Paid a fortune for it (my opinion then). Interesting info and nice looking drumheads.Lars – Vito the Hit? Is that the guy who is looking through the keyhole when you and Ruth is taking care of the admin work? Hmm. Nice book covers! I’ll go for the last book, C&NW Passenger Train Equipment! JanOlov – You better ask your dad next time what switcher he liked the best. Maybe an electric, Classes Ub and/or Ud?Ron – Yes, there was a door at each end of all Class D. Those doors (in most cases) were removed in the 60’s. I think there is still a door on #109 though. I’ll have some more info for you within a couple of days.Looking forward to your response!DL – Have a nice weekend you too! Hope to see you back soon!CM3 – I can imagine BAR was a Class 1 railroad when it comes to service and people, but revenue? I believe you, it was just a surprise to me. Thanks for the info!So you are the one who killed the last dinosaur? That was not very nice! Pete – Info on BNSF "Citizens for Rail Security" can be found on this link:http://www.citizensforrailsecurity.com/video.htmlAs far as I know BNSF is the only railroad with this kind of program.You can always return to the museum next year!Somewhere I read that SP #4294 is operational. Do you know if that is true?Thanks for the pictures!Allan – I don’t know why I didn’t figure out about your “name” sooner? Could it be my age? Our opponents planning the strategy for the Big Battle, coming up in a near future. They already got the first snow! Eric Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Friday, October 5, 2007 9:29 PM Hi Tom and all,Leon, a round of Tui for all the crew please.Tom. Great posts on the B&A and the C&NWR, enjoyed all your interesting posts and comments. I totally agree with you about the lack support by a large part of our population at times of having to stand "on the line" in defence of our freedoms, these freedoms have cost a hell of a lot of human life and valour to achieve. Am sharpening up those Dart points ready for the Comp! Thanx for the e-mail.Pete. Nice pics of the Sacramento Museum, really enjoying the updates on your trip. Have been able to get Newcastle "Broon" Ale over here at one of the local supermarkets, to me it does`nt taste as strong as it used to be way back when, but of course I prefer the taste of Tui now, could be the reason it does`nt taste as strong! Did`nt 10 pin bowling derive from the old game of skittles? They are so similar! How`s the eye going for the darts comp? See we are teamed up! Great joke about Jesus playing for "The Toon" , the hero of my youth was Jackie Milburn, Captain in the early 50`s, he was the Uncle of Bobby and Jackie Charlton, as they say in the "Toon", "Ha`way the Lads"!Ron. Good to see your trip to Florida was a success. Their are thousands of acres of Radiata pine here, they started planting them in the depression years after they found they grew twice as fast as anywhere else, great foresight, a lot of it is exported as woodchips to Japan, a big export money earner, our house framing is made from it. Glad you like our mussels, the Green lipped one`s are supposed to be good for the relief of arthritis pain and swelling, we eat a lot of them and I hav`nt suffered from arthritis yet, only the occasional touch of gout!Per. Glad you enjoyed those sites, the "Girls" at Tui are a bit of an advertising eye candy, when we went through there a few years ago the guide was a bloke with a big beard! I might take another trip down there just to check it out.Lars. A great selection of steam loco pics and book covers mate, and I enjoyed all your comments to the crew, the conversation here is really great all the time.Eric. Good to see you got a good report from your Doc mate. Forgot to mention in my previous post that you were correct about my name, 14yrs in the artillery, mostly AAA, spent a lot of time on Bofors guns, the L60`s at first then the L70`s, we used to do live firing out into the Baltic sea in northern Germany, not far from Kiel. Great drawing of yours of the Class DU, have printed it out for my collection of prints , many thanks.James. Great pics of your new loco, what a gigantic cake your Mom baked for your birthday mate. Good to see you got the job on the TC&W, now you`ve got the hobby in FULL scale!CM3. Great blond joke, it is now doing the rounds of all my mates here.Fergie. Nice pics of your ship and the layout as well. Are the CG going to try to navigate the NW passage at all now it is virtually clear of all the ice?Dan. See you were in for short visit, hope to see the rest of your trip story soon.Jan. Keep the steam pics coming mate, loved them all, those Hiawatha pics were great too. When do you sleep?See ya, Allan pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Friday, October 5, 2007 4:21 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams please RUTH and is there any Fish ‘N' Chips left I forgot to order them yesterday and I don't want to upset H&H especially during Oktoberfest.ERIC It would be really good to hear so more about the BNSF Citizens for Rail Security scheme. It is UP through here and I have not heard of them running a similar scheme.I'm afraid I did not get many details on the locomotives in the museum. I was hoping to return to the museum and take some notes as I could not find a guidebook, but as usual on vacation the time disappears, I am hoping Dave of Per has more info on the trains in the museum.Thanks for the photo of 109 LARS Is it just me or did the regular baseball season seem to pass by real quickly this year.You could be right about the drink, the bride rang me and said "Don't forget we meeting friends at Pat's Place tonight. It was a good night, the honeymoon ale as finished so it was Pumpkin ale instead it was quite good.The museum in Sacramento is a great place. I have photos later.Thanks for the Bangor & Aroostook and C&NW book covers.JAN Glad you liked the pics.I'm surprised but pleased you have heard of skittles, I will put a brief description of the game in my reply to TOM.Thanks for the drink.RON Looking forward to your post when you have caught up, thanks for the drink.It must have great to have seen a Big Boy in steam; I keep hoping that one day one of them can be steamed again. How long as the museum been there at Sacramento, it is hard to believe that the Railway Museum at York, England as been open for over 30 years now, times flies.DL It will be good to read your post on your trip on the Polar Bear Express.My BTF DVD arrived yesterday I have had just time to see a part of disc 1. I am very pleased, how times have changed though. The quality of the films considering their age is wonderful, thanks for the tip on the DVD.Another beer, thanksCM3 Glad you liked the photos. I have some more layout photos for next week, one with a great trestle on it.Real glad the reporter as been found and ready for the darts match. He must be a brave soul trusting the transport to the tender hands of BORIS. TOM I see we have passed the 2,400th post at the bar.It would be good to go back to San Diego again, hopefully when they are not having Missouri type heat.The ALCO PA 1 looks superb in D&H colors. Those silver bogies really set off the blue color; I bet they were a job to keep clean though.Glad you liked the Sacramento photos. I am sure you would enjoy a few hours in the museum; the display of model trains on the first floor is great as well.Yes Skittles, the form we played was known as Table Skittles, a bit hard to explain. It is played in Northamptonshire, Leicestershire and the southeast corner of Warwickshire. The skittles are on a table about 3 ft high with the sides and a back with leather padding. With a net from the back over the pins. There are 9 pins laid out in a diamond pattern, 8 in the diamond and 1 dead center. The pins are shaped a little like a ten pin but about 6 inches tall and about an inch and a siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 5, 2007 2:39 PM G'day Gents!Time to get a leg up on the Posts before checking out for the day . . . THANX to all who stopped by!! CONGRATS to Jan for making the 2,400th Post at the reborn "Our" Place! Have a <double> on the house! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Friday - Oct 5th:Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:14 AM: You must've been reading my mind to come up with those "covers" so quickly! Nice compliments to the C&NW "non-theme" ‘n of course the BAR from the day before! I didn't catch that DVD of the BAR when I browsed around to enhance my Fallen Flags piece . . . . nicely done, Sir! I noticed when trying to find supporting stuff for the Bangor & Aroostook that some sites were using B&A as the "reporting mark." Just goes to show how one can come away with erroneous info IF one doesn't first THINK about it, then of course CHECK it out. B&A is Boston & Albany! BAR is correct for the "Aroostook" reference. And by the by, yes, I can understand where "AroostoCk" would be the way some would want to spell it. I've done it too! <grin>I think your gesture will fall into oblivion when it comes to trying to get the guys to "invite" others to the bar. Been asking for this pretty much from the "get go" ‘n rarely get anyone to "bite." So be it . . . Last guy out the door, shut out the lights ‘n put the keys under the mat . . . <grin>Sorry I've been a bit tardy in answering your Email - I'm really trying to discipline myself to only check it once per day. This stuff can drive one to drink! Hmnmmmm, what's WRONG with that, eh Finally, NOT TO WORRY - if you have to check out for a week or more, do it! The bar shouldn't even be a consideration when it comes to things far more important . . . If no one steps up <which I doubt will happen> not a thing we can do about it!! The IDEAL make-up for the bar would be ALL retirees . . . but then again, even retirees have other things to do! Oh well . . . Many thanx for the round ‘n continuing support for the bar! Jan (JanOlov) at 10:27 AM: Alaska Rail Adventure fotos are for Saturday Photo Posting Day! Watch for ‘em as they will be coming to a conclusion pretty soon! You've gotten the message, eh Good job, Mate - you're been added to the "Our" Place Dart's team as the Alternate. You'll be assigned a shirt AND Boris will contact you for a "fitting" appointment for your leather ensemble! <uh oh> Thanx for answering the call!! Appreciate the continuing support, round, cigars ‘n cash!! Ron (DD1) at 12:06 PM: Catching up is never an easy thing ‘round here - so be sure to SAVE your work!! Gremlins love it when Posts are LOST in the Ether! <uh oh>Thanx for the round! Dan (DL-UK) at 12:14PM: Whatever it is you do to earn your living must be rather demanding if it takes you away from "play time" during the daytime! <grin> There just are times when a guy has to do what a guy has to do! Good seeing ya, even if only for a brief respite. Many thanx for the round! CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 12:27 PM: All kinds of Email being exchanged! <phew> Appreciate your taking the time to respond . . . beginning to wonder where some of my outgoing stuff winds up. In a half hour period yesterday I saw our Petrol prices go from $2.47 (rounded) to $2.59 . . . today it's at $2.57. Can't understand any of it!I like Joe Torre, but could care less about the Zillioinaire Ball Club in the Bronx (ZBCB). Still think it will be the BoSox who will prevail through it all. My "blooooooze" lost their opening game against those Desert Dogs in Phoenix! <geesh> And to think that IF the Cards had wound up in 1st place in the NL Central, they may have played against the Snakes on the SAME night as the Blues ‘n Coyotes faced off. Cudda happened . . . St. Louis Lambs (aka: Rams) telecast is blacked out here Sunday - didn't sell out. Crazy rule - they have over 60 thousand who have purchased Tix, but that ain't enuf for the greed-mongers-who run things . . . <triple barf> Whenever the Arizona Buzzards (aka: Cardinals) come to town, it's a BIG deal. Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, October 5, 2007 12:27 PM Good Morning (Afdternoon - I started this message at 830 a.m., but got sidetracked) Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England 4 Seasons Blend will be fine); we'll break training this a.m. - let's see what's on the sandwich board; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.We are back in summertime weather here for the next few days will feature temps in the upper 80s. It is still bone dry - we really need rain or we are going to have a real problem with fires later in the season. Gas is at $285 and Cleveland put a whuppin' on the Yankees - gotta love it!Lots to cover today so here goes!Jan - A few years back the late, lamented publication Locomotive Quarterly ran a feature on SP&S steam power. They had some pictures of that road's 4-6-0s. I'll bet you can find the magazine (which was really more of a perf bound book) at a local train show.John Allen inspired many of us years ago. Go back and look at old issues of MR and you will see the G&D featured in various articles but also in some truly whimsical ads - how many of you remember the dinosaur loading gons? I was more of a Frank Ellison devotee - I wanted my layout to be like the Delta Lines.Lars sent all kinds of interesting items. I especially liked the KM steam locomotiveThe shot of UP 812 was one of the best I've seen in a long time - the photographer truly nailed that one. Also liked the shot of 822 - elephant ears and all.The BAR item you showed is a good one - it's in the video parlor at the house somewhere.Also - GAME ON!James was by with pictures of new power, etc. Cake looked pretty good, too. DD1 - Old? Old? Now what was I talking about? Jeez, I think I dropped my truss.Fergie - Challenger helper? Yikes, must be quite a pull ahead of that train. Thanks for sharing with us.Pete is here. The museum pictures were good. I always liked that WP color scheme. The third of your layout pictures had fine-looking bridge in the lower right corner. Per - "Advance" was, in general, part of the train name. The New Haven for example had an "Advance Merchants Limited" which ran ahead of the "Merchants." The "Advance" was a regularly scheduled separate train, not a section of another train. I am sure that really muddies things for you now. If so, my work here is done. BTW, KM did build diesels for SP.Eric - Class V3 picture was interesting. BAR was definitely a Class I railroad in terms of revenue, service, and people. A visit to them in the not so long ago was like going to a museum as they had lots of first generation power including a number of BL2s. Yes, Boris, I got slides of a lot of that stuff. Their cabeese were r/b from WW2 troop sleepers. One thing I remember was going into a yard office which had originally been a coal dock - they never let anything go to waste. For a look at what the line is doing now, check out the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic website. OSP sent along a lot of material. I just got a carrier pigeon message form high atop majestic Mount Mentor and our intrepid reporter informs me that he has been out in the garage and is trying to determine whether to use the Locomobile or the Pierce Arrow as transportation to and from the, as he put it, "darting venue." He always has had a way with words. He also informed me that whatever he uses for travel, Boris in his dual role as "automotive engineer and riding mechanic" will be provided with appropriate duster, goggles, and motoring cap. I'll bet that coat will be bigger than the one Chad Johnson wore in the ball game a couple of weeks ago.Thanks for the BAR post. "Squa Pan" is Algonkian for "Big slushy place." They truly do winter up there. BTW, bartenders/tavern owners have long been known for their abilities to editorialize. Lederhosen and Alpine hats? I hope it will be more than that as I thought of how Edgar Alan Poe got bounced out of West Point. The uniform of the day called for crossbelts and sword and that's all he had on when he showed up for a.m. formation. Now in the case of the comely bartenders..........Also enjoyed the CNW material and the D&H PA. BAR blue was a bit darker and it faded into a lighter blue whereas the D&H blue seemed to maintain its original hue."Shane?" My daughter knows bout the nickname and when TMC ran the movie awhile back, she said, "When did they make a picture about you? And it's got sound" This is the same one who asked me if I felt guilty when, on the way home from school, I killed the last dinosaur. It hurts (LOL) work safe DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Friday, October 5, 2007 12:14 PM Hello Tom and all inI'll have a pint of bitter from Ron then, but also I'll leave enough on the bar for a round for the house!Once agian not enough time for a proper catch up - very frustarting as I'm keen to enter the dialogue on this and that - and also complete my ONR trip report with the Polar Bear Express from Cochrane to Moosonee (with the proper domes and diners on that leg...).Anyhow - hope everyone has a good weekend. I'm hoping to start my next Tom Rolt Book - Railway Adventure - about the narrow gauge preservation activity!All the bestDL Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 5, 2007 12:06 PM Good day Tom and all present. Drinks on me and a special thankyou for Eric for the drawing of the 1-C-1. I now have all the dimensions to complete the working drawings. Only one other thing puzzles me and that is: is there a door at the ends of the engine, or just a window. Of all the pictures I've looked at, I can't tell if there is a door or not.I haven't been to the forum until now. I read the E-mail and wanted to respond right away. I haven't forgotten the rest of you guys. I have a long response being worded on my word processor as I read the posts one by one. It may take me some time to catch up, but expect it to be lo......ng and hopefully not too boring.Pete: I was at the inaugural opening of the museum in Sacramento. They had a "big boy" and other steamers in operation. It was quite an experience standing a few feet from that engine, feeling the heat, sounds and other senses.Until later, DD1 Edit JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Friday, October 5, 2007 10:27 AM Greetings Tom and fellow track walkers....Could I please have some of your blackest Java please? Give the lads a top up with cigars too if you don't mind....thanks. Here's something for yourself $$$....Puts some $$$$ in the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.A short post before I return to myMilwaukee Road weekend with my two latest books to read. My apologies. Da Larsman, nice selection of pics mate! I try my best to sleep mate, but for some odd reason wake up after 3 or so hours everyday.... That eye opener (cheers btw) didn't just open my eyes, it had a good spring cleaning of my throat as well....clean as whistle now. Have a dram on me pal....Tom, nice posts with Bangor & Aroostook and C&NW . Well, you've convinced me, sign me up for the Darts as well, hoping for beginners luck here. Hoping to see more of your excellent Alaska pics mate.....where are they? pwolfe, I've heard about skittle actually... Not much of a following, as with football, you can almost say. Great pics!EricX2000, according to my dad, they were a royal pain in the ... Can't which he liked best of the old switchers.Kitchen in full swing folks....See you around the corner.... All the best! Jan LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, October 5, 2007 9:14 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, set ‘em up for the boyz - treats for the crittAHs - PPF for Boris ‘n a hot mugga Joe with a double jolt for me! Change of course is for YOU my sweet! <blush>Really a slow day at the Watering Hole by the Wayside on Thursday. As Da Bossman tells us, this joint is indeed a Hit ‘n Miss proposition or better yet, Feast or Famine! BUT, the guys who do keep things on an even keel really deserve special mention: SO here's to ya! <grin>Baseball Gods are smiling this day as the Phillies are in the "hole" - right where they belong! <triple grin> Figured the Reptiles would do well against the Cubs - nevAH really thought the Indians wudda beaten the Yanks so badly. Didjano that the Yanks took all of the regular season games against ‘em So much for that, huh BoSox are in good shape out in southern Cal . . . surprise team has to be the Rockies. Hockey is ON! I'm more than ready . . . now if my Jints can really keep the forward momentum, I'll be "set" between the NFL ‘n NHL for the wintAH! Gotcha e-mail Cap'n Tom ‘n replied! From Da Manager: I noticed two of our guys "on another thread" and wondered whether either of ‘em thought to invite whoever created that subject to come aboard???? I don't stray from either of Da Bossman's sites - but couldn't help but notice the cyber handles of our guys. NO PROBLEM with that of course.So c'mon fellas - you know the "drill" - IF in your opinion you are "talking" to an ADULT (not an AH or JO or someone totally "anon") with what it takes to join us at the bar - INVITE him!! Refer the guy to page one, etc., etc., etc. Then Da Bossman will take it from there with the "official" welcome, etc. For Da Boss! Liked the Bangor & Aroostook (that's a difficult name for me - I always want to say ArooSTOCK!) Anyway, the little known roads are the most intriguing and hold all kinds of "stuff" for the guy willing to do a bit of "digging."Also today's feature is a winnAH too! Chicago & North Western - nicely done with the drum heads ‘n added "stuff" to the wikipedia material. You ALWAYS come up with something to keep us interested. Here's to Da Bossman! CHEERS, mate! [tup ] Oh yeah, you want that I should get Vito the Hit to shake up Pete ‘n Eric for ya WHAT in the world is going on with these two Hmmmmmmmmm, smoking the funny stuff perhaps Nahhhhhhhhhh - drinking more than perhaps they should Probably! <grin>For Pete ‘n Eric: Good to see the both of you at the bar yesterday - looks like the three of us are once again holding things together. Pretty much defines "regulars," huh Well, it ain't a competition, but I'll tell ya this - we NEED new customers!Liked those Sacramento photos, Pete! Brought to mind some memories of my last visit to the place. Fantastic isn't it Time again for the Larsman Mobile!Bangor & Aroostook Railroad - The First 100 Years (1891-1991)Chicago & North Western in Color - Vol 1 (1941-1953)The Chicago & North Western Business TrainThe Chicago & North Western Passenger Train EquipmentRuth, I'll be up in the Penthouse Suite when you take your break - <ahem> admin work awaits! Until the next time! Lars siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 5, 2007 8:09 AM G'day Gents!Here's something from the archives to add to the reading material at this cyber tavern . . .<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 384, 29 Aug 2006 on the Original Thread>Chicago and North Western Railway Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.Reporting marksCNW, CNWS, CNWZLocaleIllinois, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and WyomingDates of operation1865 - 1995Successor lineUnion PacificTrack gauge4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)HeadquartersChicago, IllinoisThe Chicago and North Western Railway (AAR reporting marks: CNW, CNWS, CNWZ; unofficial abbreviation: C&NW) was a Class I railroad in the United States. It was also known as the North Western.HistoryThe Chicago and North Western Railway was chartered on June 7, 1859. It had purchased the assets of the bankrupt Chicago, St. Paul and Fond du Lac Railroad five days earlier. On February 15, 1865, it officially merged with the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad, which had been chartered on January 16, 1836. Since the Galena & Chicago Union started operating in December, 1848, and the Fond du Lac railroad started in March, 1855, the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad is considered to be the origin of the North Western railroad system.The North Western had owned a majority of the stock of the Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha Railway (Omaha Road) since 1882. On January 1, 1957, it officially leased the company, and merged it into the North Western in 1972. The Omaha Road's main line ran from an interchange with the North Western at Elroy, Wisconsin, to the Twin Cities, down to Sioux City, Iowa, and then finally to Omaha, Nebraska.The North Western picked up several important short railroads during its later years. It finalized acquisition of the Litchfield and Madison railroad on January 1, 1958. The Litchfield and Madison railroad was a 44-mile bridge road from East St. Louis to Litchfield, Illinois. On July 30, 1968, the North Western acquired two former interurbans - the 36-mile Des Moines and Central Iowa Railway (DM&CI), and the 110-mile Fort Dodge, Des Moines and Southern Railway (FDDM&S). The DM&CI gave access to the Firestone plant in Des Moines, Iowa, and the FDDM&S provided access to gypsum mills in Fort Dodge, Iowa.On November 1, 1960, the North Western acquired the rail properties of the 1,500-mile Minneapolis and St. Louis Railway. In spite of its name, it ran only from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Peoria, Illinois. This acquisition provided traffic and modern rolling stock, and eliminated competition.On July 1, 1968 Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, October 5, 2007 6:39 AM <personal foto> Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir! The end of the work week <for many> has finally arrived! What better way to celebrate this day than with us at the breakfast nook Yeah - we've got freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - freshly baked pastries stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case - and - the Menu Board is loaded with <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts!! Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place begins tomorrow, October 6th at Noon! We are featuring GERMAN brew all month! GERMAN sausages have been added to the menu for the month, with all the trimmings! On Saturday's in October The Mentor Village Teutonic Society will sponsor Oompah Music live at the "Our" Place picnic grounds Pavillion and Dance Emporium! Performers include the Sauerkraut Band, Electric Lederhosen and Burst the Wurst Trio Lederhosen and Alpine hats are being worn by "Our Place"! staff throughout the month! Full scale LGB trains will be running on the main lines for free round trips to Can-Am Gorge on weekends - 10 AM to 4 PM. First northbound departs the "Our" Place platform at 10 AM sharp, undt ve mean, sharp! PLAN TO SHARE THIS FALL CELEBRATION WITH US! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)Thursday - Oct 4th:Jan (JanOlov) at 9:31 AM: Was wondering WHO would be our first daytime customer since CM3 Shane "announced" he wouldn't be here on Thursday! Appreciate having your aboard ‘n it worked well, for the morning "slot" is important for this bar - as with a good breakfast, it's a healthy way to begin the day! Yes, you might say we'll be "fortified" before, during ‘n after our Dart's tournament rounds . . . <urp> Sure you can't find it within yourself to step up I mean we're talking ALTERNATE for cripes sake!! <geesh> Think of it this way - you'll get a shirt ‘n leather ensemble to retain as keepsakes . . . if you think people will laugh at you during the Dart's tournament - just imagine what they'll do when they see you in THAT get up!! Ooooooooops, methinks I'm dissuading you . . . <grin>Good continuing interaction between you ‘n the customers! Appreciate the visit, round, cash, etc. . . . . Lars (LoveDomes) at 10 AM: Appreciate seeing you in your familiar "slot" to keep things moving forward ‘round here. Many thanx for being the FIRST to respond by Email to my request for the shirt info . . . Allan was SECOND! Anyway, not to worry about the leather pants - waistlines are elastic ‘n the "important" places are expandable too . . . <grin>We'll be sure to capture the ‘spirit' of it all on our in-house security system cameras! No, no - Pete won't have a thing to do with those!!! <yikes>I think you "pegged" it perfectly regarding the seemingly disjointed behavior from the Wolfman lately. He's been under tremendous stress - I mean consider the "performance" demands! Then the manipulation of the timing involved with one leaving town ‘n the other arriving and so forth. <double yikes>The more I read that math explanation of yours, the more sense it makes! I think it's time for a triple jolt of JD on the rocks! <grin>Enjoyed viewing your spate of steamers - nice choices, Mate! Thanx for the round ‘n chat too! Pete (pwolfe) at 4:01 PM: The return of the Hit ‘n Miss syndrome at the Watering Hole by the Wayside. Sure can't predict when we'll have a crowd ‘round here - BUT - we CAN depend upon YOU to keep things rolling along in the PM slot! Enjoyed eavesdropping on your conversation - and - comments directed to me ‘n offer these comments:(1) Don't be concerned about Mountain man Mike from the Second Class Saloon - he didn't understand a thing you said! <grin>(2) How is "skittles" played (3) Yes, you did take a couple of fotos with MY camera in Halifax ‘n they turned out well. However, I had the "settings" FIXED <aka: Pete-proof!> (4) BAR livery is close - but no "seeeeegar." D&H blue was far more brilliant.D&H ALCO PA1 #18 (copyright: Corel Corp.)(5) Difficulties with the Pix taking in SDiego can only mean you'll have to Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, October 5, 2007 12:44 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, it is time for my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris. Fries, please! An ice cold Keith's will be perfect!A busy day at work with a happy ending! A kind of quiet day here at the bar though. Which is okay.Tom – Me? Using picture for target practice? No, no, I would never do that. Friday morning is my next practice hour (if I can find the pic... hrrmmm, the target, I mean). I’ll post a picture of my home in the old country on Saturday. Bangor & Aroostook, a railroad I actually have heard about before. Clearly not a class 1 railroad, but interesting never the less!JanOlov – I didn’t mind working on V3. I guess if I had had to do it every day it would have been a different story. Lars – It looks like D’backs will win again tonight. Now ahead 8-2 (top of 6th). A nice collection of 4-8-4’s! I like the picture from the SLO-Horseshoe Curve where the front locomotive seemingly is idling around the curve and the helper is pushing hard at the rear!Pete – You mentioned BNSF’s Citizens for Rail Security. I signed up for it when it was created. We have BNSF tracks to Phoenix and a lot of BNSF trains running across northern Arizona. I can’t recall I ever thought about any differences operating a diesel-hydraulic or a diesel-electric when switching. Maybe the diesel-hydraulic has a little advantage though. What railroad did #2467 come from? Nice pictures from a nice museum! For Ron.All dimensions in millimeters. The drawing shows a Class Du with a steel body. The wooden one has the same dimensions but the windows are different as you can see in this picture. Eric pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, October 4, 2007 4:01 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams please RUTH.PER The trip we had from Sacramento was from a station not far from the Museum. I think the train headed south, anyway we followed the river that was on the right hand side of the train on the way out. The trip took about 20 minutes and the engine ran round at a place called ‘BATHS'No we did not have any trouble taking photos at San Diego depot and we did not see any notice about not taking photos. It has become disturbing in Britain that railfans are getting bother at some stations with photo and their hobby taking lately, photography of railways as been going on since the invention of the camera. The Railway Magazine even has a regular column about it named Iron Curtain Britain, although Network rail, that owns a lot of the stations,say photography and railfans are ok, with a few sensible safety rules in which no one can argue with.I see in the latest issue of Trains magazine (NOV) that a scheme where BNSF have registered railfans, who while enjoying their hobby, inform the railroad if they see trespassing, or any fault they see on passing trains. It said BNSF are very pleased with the scheme.It will be good to see photos of the SP 4-8-2. ERIC Many thanks for the photo of the V3, it looks a powerful loco. Do you think the Diesel Hydraulics or Diesel Electrics were best for switching It will be good to see your photos of the model railway in San diegoJAN Your comments on the darts reminded me about our skittle team (A little known game played in just three counties in the Midlands of England), that one of our players was only VERY good when he was angry, so it was the job of his mate to fire him up with comments like the ones in your post, if he wasn't playing too good, brought back great memoriesI have some pictures from the model layout, one with one of their trestles, they must take a lot of work to construct but they look superb on a layout.LARS I will probably need protection when we play at the Second Class Saloon, Mountain Man Mike has not forgotten I put him down as the leader of the Mentor Village Knitting Circle in the quiz Tom ran a while back. I wish I knew what is going on with cameras and me lately. I though there would be more than three of my pics I could use but no. Luckily the bride has some and I thought I had transferred them to the JPEG format I can post already but I will.Many thanks for the great photos of the 4-8-2s and the 4-8-4s I wonder if there was a reason the UP # 812 as the boiler painted in a light color. Great picture of the Daylight on the Horseshoe Curve, it seems the train loco is taking a breather while the helper is doing all the work. TOM Only excuse I have it was hard to get photos at the model railway in San Diego it was quite dark and the model lines were behind plastic widows s I could not use a flash, if I had got one with me that is, anyway the bride took some so I will show them next week.There is something weird though. I know I took photos at the zoo and in the boiler room on the Berkley but where they went I don't know. I don't think I touched your camera, but wait a minute though, I think you got me to take a photo of Fergie and you at Halifax. It was lucky it worked at all after I had my hands on it.Yes I will look after all the liquor stocks but the amount of paperwork I have to generate so Manager Lars can do his ‘Admin Duties' is unbelievable. Many thanks for the Bangor and Aroostook Fallen Flag Encore. The F unit looks great in that Blue and White livery, am I right in thinking that livery is very similar to the D&H colors.I have some photos of inside the Sacramento Railroad Museum; I hope you can see what a great place it is. Unfortunately I could not see a guidebook in the great museum shop so if anyone has any details of the locomotives it would be great. In the entrance of the museum. siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 4, 2007 1:00 PM G'day Gents!It's been awhile, so time again for a Fallen Flag from the archives of "Our" Place! Here's another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads.The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #25<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 142, 20 Oct 2005 on the Original Thread> Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned. Bangor & Aroostook (BAR) Headquarters: Bangor, ME Mileage: 1950: 616 2000: 433 Locomotives in 1963: Diesels: 46 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 4,646 - Passenger cars: 2 Principal lines in 1950 (all in Maine): Searsport-Derby-Fort Kent Brownville-Brownville Jct. Northern Maine Jct.-Bangor Derby-Greenville Old Town-South Lagrange South Lagrange-West Seboois Oakfield-Phair-Presque Isle-Van Buren Van Buren-St. Francis Squa Pan-Stockholm Mapleton-Presque Isle Caribou-Limestone Phair-Fort Fairfield Passenger Trains of note: Aroostook Flyer (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.) Potatoland Special (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, October 4, 2007 10:00 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, set up the bar with a drink on me, wudja And I'll take just a mugga Joe with a BK-splash if you please! Boris, the crittAHs are lined up so it must be feeding time! Go to it ‘n that small jar of PPF is YOURS! Oh yes, keep the change my sweet thing! <blush>Should mention that my e-mail was sent for the shirt selection ‘n Da Bossman confirmed that I have #3! Awwwwwright!! For Da Boss: Great write-up for the Dart's tournament. Shirts are "way cool" ‘n do they really make leather pants in ALL sizes????? I'm kinda XXXL when it comes to THAT! <groan>I compared the names on the 2nd Class Saloon's teams with last year ‘n noted that they all are "new." Apparently the others are still incarcerated, huh I see that their owner is going to be the substitute (alternate). Why not That's about all he's good for anyway! <uh oh> First stone has been flung . . . By the way, I know where you're "at" when it comes to the "way things are" today. I have to keep telling myself over ‘n over that as my generation ages ‘n dies off, what's coming up by ‘n large has NO CLUE about the sacrifices made by those B4 ME, much less from me ‘n mine. It's a world that has turned upside down as far as I'm concerned and I wouldn't even be able to list the "values" we have as a nation any longer. That doesn't bode well, does it Yeah, there are guys getting blown to bits today while others are playing games ‘n living the grand life. Sure, the idea of it all is to place blame, then go about the day. What a mess. End of Boris, ring the ding - round on me for being For Per: Yes, you are very observant - that IS what you think it IS on the tender of that German loco. First time I noticed it I wondered. THEN it struck me - I detest revisionist historians ‘n those who would disguise the past in something wrapped far differently. So, since those trains existed - and obviously there's a world-wide market for ‘em - we have choices: to buy OR not to buy. ‘nuf said from me on that front.I'm still NOT over the collapse of my Mets - so tread LIGHTLY young man, very LIGHTLY!! <grimace>New math Why I haven't the foggiest what you mean! Look, it's really SIMPLE: Eight is eight except when in pairs of two, then it's four, which is less than six. What's so confusing about THAT Anyway, this is all the fault of Jan - the ‘confused' Swede who thinks he's a Scot!! Don't even ask me to ‘splain THAT one! <grin>I see Da Boss ‘splained the CM3 I'm NOT Shane! "thing" . . . got it now Good! The federal bureaucracy is the culprit with or without the war on terror, these matters of "routine" shouldn't wind up causing more problems. Same for the passport nonsense that is still going on. This is plainly the left hand NOT even caring about what the right hand is doing. I'd fire the lot of ‘em - then of course finding competent people to replace ‘em would create yet another problem. Woe is us - the paper pushers will rule the earth - something akin to the "meek" perhaps For Pete: Look mate, I don't want to constantly pick on YOU - but for cripes sakes, what in the world is WRONG with your ability <inability> to get it right when using a camera?????? <quadruple geesh>Nice three shots from the San Diego museum for model trains, surely would've liked to see MORE! Also looks like you bumbled the request from Da Boss about the shirt selections! <geesh again> Must be the fact that your Mrs. has returned 'n probably ALMOST caught you "in the act"!! By the way, did Sonia get away ok?? Now to something SERIOUS: You are the Bar Chandler ‘n I'm the Manager. Say no more - stock the stuff ‘n keep it stocked or you'll be back to the THIMBLE sized dipper! <another quadruple geesh>Glad you enjoyed the Euro model trains . . . For Fergie: Great looking model steam locos - simply great! Now, how ‘bout some descriptions Also, thanks for participating <finally> in our Wednesday "event"!! As long as the sardines are from Norway, I see no problem with your choice of things to eat! <grin> Beans ‘n sardines go together like ice cream ‘n sauerkraut! BUT it's YOUR gut . . . <grin>For Eric: I'm happy that your Reptiles beat the little bears from Chicago, I'm no fan of their pitcher from last night. Anyway, the Phillies got beat, which does my stone-cold-heart GOOD! <grin> JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Thursday, October 4, 2007 9:31 AM Greetings......yaaawwnnnn.....Tom and ....yaawwnnnn......gentlemen.I'm sorry for the rather late public appearance, just woke up......stretches..gnnnnn.May I please have a cup of your strongest Java please? Give the lads a round of top ups with cigars as well if you don't mind.......thank you kindly. Here's something for yourself too..CMSTPP, that is some nice looking models you have there (turning into a lighter shade of green). Am thinking about getting that Milwaukee station at some point, whenever my "bank" allowes me to. Michael, on my best friends back in Sweden has I think 60+ Erie, Lackawanna and Erie-Lackawanna locomotives in H0. Nice looking layout mate! Tom, that is some serious looking T-shirts mate... I think that I'll just sit and watch this years tournament and maybe give a few....."what the do you call that?! You throw like a sissy! My dog throws better than that!! I take it that you'll consume a fair bit of slightly stronger stuff to improve on aming and maket it more interesting, yeah?DD1, nae worries mate. We'll see you when we see you. I'll keep a pint ready for you.....Fergmiester, niiiice pics mate! Hope to see more from you.....Tom, G&D was a very beautiful layout, I remember seeing it on the telly as a child.... Let me get your next round chief.CMSTPP, so THAT is what you're interested in....I thought that was something but I could for my life not put my finger on it... Good luck with you job mate . Nowadays I wish that I'd followed up on my talks with the D&H. Then I might have been in the US working for one of favorite railroads.... Oh well....pwolfe, THAT is some nice looking layout mate!! MORE pics please.... As for my friends back in my old country who hope that I'll move back at some point want to build a layout, we've decided to (or I) builda few of the Milwaukee Road's trestles on it. We'll see what happens, they're looking for a place to build right now....marthastrainyard, it sure was mate.... They used to have two engines, 905 and 1182. There used also to be a few other societies out and running with all kind of steamers... We were kind of surprised too, not being more late than we were....EricX2000, aaaah those V1 and V3.... My dad never really liked them for some odd reason. Thought that the station looked familiar, my grandparents used to live there.Looking forward to more pics from you mate....Hmmm....no sign of Da...Da....Da Larsman yet, I think that I'll get a nice dram ready for him when he shows up.....pardon me barkeep....Have a nice day everybody and take care...See you around the corner.... All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, October 4, 2007 6:32 AM <personal foto>Guten Morgen allerseits!Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!Thursday in mid-continent USA ‘n time to draw a mugga Joe, grab a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n then order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! Comments from the Proprietor: OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place begins Saturday, October 6th at Noon! Rendezvous Email sent to all participants on Wednesday . . . DART's Challenge ' Grudge Match Shirt Selections are DUE!! Send me an E-mail with your THREE choices! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative on Wednesday afternoon) Wednesday - Oct 3rd: James (CMSTPP) at 3:10 PM: A second visit in the same day! I make no claim to being "all knowledgeable regarding what should or shouldn't be the objective for one's model railroad. For me, it's simply to enjoy that which I've constructed, purchased ‘n LAYED OUT! <ergo: layout!> Pretty simple stuff, eh Having fun is the bottom line for me.I find it awfully difficult to get wrapped around the axle over any of the stuff we call "fun" or "diversions" when the problems of this old world are so REAL, that at times it seems such a waste of energy to be "playing" when . . . . In ancient Rome it was said Emperor Nero fiddled while the city burned. Not much more to say other than enjoy what you have while you have it.Appreciate the visit! Pete (pwolfe) at 3:30 PM & 3:32 PM: Appears you're making an effort to get back to a mid to late afternoon "slot," which really will help out ‘round here. Although today we've had a most unusual, but welcome, turn out. Only YOU would be concerned about what brand ‘n type of beer will be served at The Second Class Saloon during our Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match! <geesh>I changed the dates - my bad - apparently was looking at the wrong month, but good ole Eagle Eye caught it. Thanx!! BUT . . . . oh never mind! Looking at those model RR fotos from SDiego makes me want to revisit Balboa Park! <sweet> BUT don't tell me you screwed up <again> with the camera!!!! <yikes> I mean <yikes> Lost, lost - helplessly lost <pictures that is!> Reminds me very much of "whatever happened" to my fotos during the first night aboard the eastbound "Ocean" - very puzzling. Did YOU happen to touch my camera????? Hmmmmmmmm.Just a point: I didn't "do" a thing to take credit for anything that made the world any better or worse during my 32 year career. However, I surely knew <and still do> what obligations to my country entail. That's what the gist of my "rant" was all about . . . Some definitive WORD: Bar Chandler IS responsible for all beer, wine ‘n spirits - PERIOD. What goes up to the Penthouse Suite is Management responsibility. If the Proprietor or Manager depletes the stock - the Bar Chandler arranges for replenishment. Pretty straight forward, eh Hope you "got it," otherwise off you go to Molly Throttlebottom's Adult Learning Center ‘n Mud Wrestling Emporium! <uh oh>Also, is there any OTHER way to open a bottle of spirits Rendezvous Email sent your way on Wednesday . . . Thanx for the chat, Pix ‘n round! Per (marthastrainyard) at 7:52 PM: It's a loooooooong story regarding CM3 I'm NOT Shane which goes back BEFORE you ever heard of this joint. You didn't miss a thing - but here's the Cliff Notes: (1) coalminer3 didn't have "much" of a profile on the Forums (2) In absence of responses to repeated attempts to "find out" his real name - or nickname - or even initials - the Proprietor <that's Moi> anointed him CM3 <figure it out!!) It stuck. Then we started a "thing" about maybe his real name is "Shane" <as in the Allan Ladd movie from way back when> A few of us picked up on it ‘n we dubbed him Shane. Of course, he denied THAT - ‘n now it's CM3 I'm NOT Shane! <get it??> <phew.The mere fact that I remember all of this nonsense is cause for ALARM! <uh oh>You are correct, Sir - foothills is far more descriptive. However, they ARE the foothills of mountains! <grin> There are people who look at the mountains in SoCal ‘n say, "Them thar are hills!" It's all in the eye of the onlooker, eh Mt. McKinley IS a mountain - Poway sits atop a knoll by comparison! <grin>All sorts of "definitions" regarding ship vs boat. Was told to me back when Moby Dick was a minnow that a boat is that which can be carried aboard a ship! That "worked" for me for many years . . . Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Thursday, October 4, 2007 2:21 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, I think I'll have some Blackberry Pancakes! With lots of whipped cream! Sounds good!Not much to report today. I will start my dart training at the rehab next week. That will be a perfect way to get in shape! Tom – Oregon is a place where I would like to live. I love the forest. Back in the old country I used to live in a house in the middle of the forest. Had moose, deer, foxes, badgers, bobcats around the house all the time. The picture shows arrival to a city about 65 miles southwest of Stockholm (southbound train). The picture is taken from a Class Rc1 (#1018) electric. We will be ready when it is time for the 2007 2nd Annual Darts Challenge ‘n Grudge Match.I agree with you 100% when I read your thoughts about serving your country! I din’t spend that long time in the military but I learned a lot. I was a different (better) man when I got out of the service than before.CM3 – I noticed that the gas price went down in St. Louis and now in your neighborhood. I would say it is our turn for reduced prices now! JanOlov – T21, V3 and Ub/Ud could push and pull a lot of heavy cars. Passenger car switching i the Hagalund depot is very heavy and with 18-20 cars in the hook you’ll notice it. But it worked. The picture shows Nyköping C. Interesting site about John Allen’s Gorre and Daphetid Railroad!Lars – You were right! The Snakes won tonight! I did not watch the entire game but saw parts of it. Very nice models! I have never seen DB Class 10 before.I saw we are on the same team!! Let’s beat them up!!James – Diesel-hydraulic means it does not have any generator or any electric traction motors. The engine is connected to a hydraulic transmission with two speeds, 50 km/h and 80 km/h (31 and 50 mph). You can shift only at standstill. When used for switching it is geared for 50 km/h. Nice photos of your new loco and your layout! The birthday cake doesn’t look bad either!! Covered with chocolate!! Ron – I’ll post that drawing I mentioned tomorrow. I’ll see what else I can get hold of. I guess you will need photos of everything!Fergie – Very nice layout! I would love to see much more!Pete – A V3 switcher is in the picture below. They were small but could pull a lot. They were built in Germany shortly after WW II. I am sure that museum locomotive was burning oil. The water tower was not for steam locomotives. It must have used for a plant of some kind. Thanks for the pictures of the model railroad in San Diego. I have to find my pictures from the same place. Per – I checked my notes, the few times I operated #109 all happened in 1976 so it was the mid 70’s. I don’t have any date for when it was retired and sent to the museum. The anniversary in Stockholm was the 125th Anniversary 1981. Rc electrics have DC traction motors. Class V3 switcher. Built 1952. Photo: Hans Polanik. Eric marthastrainyard Member sinceMarch 2006 From: Orange County, CA 98 posts Posted by marthastrainyard on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 7:52 PM Good Evening everybody present! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I want to try one of those Tuis, please. Tom, Ja, den Oktoberfest is bald wieder hier, nicht war? And that’s about as much as I remember of the German language. The Oktoberfest has already started at our local German restaurant here in Plano, Yum! But they don’t have the fancy bands that you have managed to get for Our Place! Now, why is it that every German restaurant I’ve been to has an LGB train running around the place? In other news, the recently appointed A.R.I. is back again. I hope to be able to drop in 1-2 times a week this fall until things slow down at work. I don’t want to miss any of the conversation around the bar, it is really enlightening and interesting. Every week I learn something new! Both my wife and I have Alaska pretty high up on the list of places to visit; right up there with a cross-Canada trip. We’ll see how the retirement funds develop and how soon we can get going. I can fully see your reasons for wanting to live up there. There is something special with the vastness of the country and the views you get. It’s hard to find anywhere else. It is dark in the winter, but on the other hand, the summers are lighter. But your suggested combination: Winter in San Diego and summer in Alaska, that’ll be something! I wouldn’t put Poway in the mountains of San Diego County; foothills – yes. It’s not too far from the coast with a few hills if I remember correctly. Julian, on the other hand, IS in the mountains. But there are no train tracks there. Nice ads. There is that “Advance” again. This time in combination with the Zephyr. I guess I should have tried to study MoPac, KCS (and the Katy) a little bit more while I was here in Dallas, but I’m going to continue reading up on the SP and SF trains instead. Eric, Congratulations to your rehab test! Great news! You have some very nice pictures from your friend Hans! See if you can’t trick him into sending some of his models as well. What a coincidence that you show Du 109, that’s the same engine I referred to a while back as being in the museum “down south”. I wonder when it got there since you operated it in the late 70’s. Was the original Ra that was operating last year, a museum piece, or did SJ keep it all these years like that? And you are right, the double decker is UGLY! It’s even uglier than the first double decker they had in the 70’s on BKB. You showed the F class at the 150th anniversary and that leads to the question, what anniversary was it that SJ celebrated in the late 70’s with a big parade of trains outside of Stockholm? Interesting article about AC/DC traction, thanks! Do the RC class engines qualify as DC? They have some fancy electronics in them to rectify the overhead current to DC. Dave (West Coast S), so I wasn’t dreaming about the San Diego depot. It’s too bad they shortened it; it looked so nice in the old pictures. But the interior is still great! Yes, there was a lot of empty land around the Sacramento shops when I was there. Hopefully they haven’t torn down any more buildings, but as I mentioned, I think I saw a display in the museum where they showed their expansion on to that piece of land. Al, Boy, was I wrong about Tui. Oh well, now I know. Thanks for the link to Tui (is that a real tour guide they show on the site) and to the Wikipedia about the Geordies. As I said to Tom, this is a place where you learn something new every week! Great history notes on the Pacific! Now I know where the name came from. James (CMSTPP), You know, even though I have every little piece of my MR stuff down in an inventory, I always forget to bring it to the train shows. In my case that means I’m not buying anything since I don’t want to risk to get duplicates (I have too many already!) Speaking of Diesel-hydraulics, weren’t the Krauss-Maffei (sp?) diesels, that DRGW and SP bought a couple of, also Diesel-hydraulic, I think they were, but I am almost only guessing here. Nice cake! I bet it tasted really good! Fergie, I’m glad you made it back on one shaft (and propeller). It’s a pretty big “boat” you have there. Is it a ship or a boat? What I learned in the Navy was that if there is a crew stationed on the vessel, it’s a ship, otherwise a boat. That’s my recollection of the Swedish definition. Impressive layout you have! I would like to see more pictures eventually. Jan Olov, it must have been a really interesting trip on Inlandsbanan. Glad you made it with as little delay as you did. I checked the web site you referenced, but it does not mention any steam engines although there is a picture of one. What’s up with that? Really nice ads for the Hiawatha. Is that an Eire-built engine in those ads? (And I don’t think the Captain will allow you to carry over a pic to tomorrow) Thanks for the link to the GD site! I bought the CD they brought out but the site is just as good. I was SOO close to see the GD in real life back in 66 when I was in San Francisco but I wasn’t sure if my finances would allow a side trip to Monterrey so I had to skip it. But I got to talk to John Allen on the phone, at least. Lars (Lovedomes), Sorry to hear about the troubles on the home front. I sincerely hope that it all turns out well for you and your f Home of the Ambroid history page and the up-and-coming City Of Los Angeles from 1950 http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/ My pictures are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/8514678@N08/ siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:15 PM Hi Gents!Correction made to the DATES for the Dart's Challenge 'n Grudge Match! Thanx - Pete! And while you're at it: Shirts: As with last year, we'll have 5 shirts for the teams ‘n alternate.SEND ME AN E-MAIL with your selection(s) 1st choice - 2nd choice - 3rd choice! See ya! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 3:36 PM Hi Tom and all.Another Bathams, then RUTH.JAMES Just caught your post.Glad to hear you are going to work for a railroad.I will look forward to the Midland Continental article. Many thanks..Pete pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 3:30 PM Hi Tom and all.A Pint of Bathams please RUTH and a round for all the fine models on display to day.RON Real glad you are enjoying Our Place it is real good to have you at the bar.I am still trying to think of the name of that distillery which had geese protecting it in Scotland.Yes the LMS ‘Turbomotive' was quite successful. It was usually used on the London to Liverpool run and an old engine driver told me it was the favorite loco of the LMS Top-Link driver Laurie Earl. It had a very short career as a conventional locomotive as it was wrecked in the Harrow and Wealdstone bad accident in 1952.It was fitted with a ‘Duchess' class boiler but with the Princess based frame. Its BR number was 46202 and she was named Princess Anne. I cannot recall reading any thing about her service as 46202.Great words for JamesERIC Have you any photos of the V3 switchers.I am pretty sure #10 was an oil burner, although I must admit I took it for granted it was and did not check. I talked to the guide at Jamestown and he explained that oil was so much cheaper than coal in California so steam engines were oil fired from an early date.Also seeing how dry it was out there I don't think a coal-fired engine would be allowed,It would be good to hear from PER or DAVE about this Thanks for the photo from the footplate, is that a water tower for steam locos on the rightCM3 Glad you liked the photos.It is good to hear they restored the station at Covington, it seems that historic buildings are being looked after and saved better now, compared to the 1960sJAN I believe was a saying in Britain when a steam locos firebox had the coal fused to the firebars that is was ‘Clinkered up'I too would like to have traveled the Milwaukee Road from Chicago to Seattle. I wonder what locomotives would have hauled the train, while the electrics were still working in the later days of the train Glad you liked the photos.Many thanks for the link to those models on the Gorre and Daphetid RailroadJAMES As you say it is a pity the Midland and Colorado did not survive until today, as it would have been busy now. There must be a lot a lines, on both sides of the Atlantic, that were ripped up in the 1950s and 60s that would be very useful today I was lucky, later on in the week the gray diesel was brought out of the shed to do some air tests on the museums coaches and I was there. It was good to see the loco working, I have a couple of photos I will put at the bar in a few days.Many thanks for the great photos of your models. Glad the new loco is working real well, and that looks a great cake, don't suppose there is any left for us at the bar. LARS You caught me, the line "It is safest in bed in a thunderstorm" works sometimesMany thanks for those very well detailed Austrian and German models. I once had a Trix set, of a breakdown train; I have tried looking but can't find a reference to it on the web.FERGIE Sardines with beans, not something I have tried,but beans on toast were a staple diet of mine.Many thanks for the photos of those great locomotives and your layout, great photo of the double header.TOM Of course you were missed yesterday afternoon, but you deserve an afternoon off now and then.The only trouble with maintaining the Wine and Spirit inventory is that the good stuff seems to disappear, rather rapidly, in the direction of the Manager's private bar. We don't sell much spirits since one of the Track Gang grabbed a bottle of whisky pulled the cork out with his teeth, spat it out and it hit LEON.Yes H&H were trained by NICK to pilot the Zeppelin many moons a go n CMSTPP Member sinceAugust 2005 From: Along the old Milwaukee Road. 1,152 posts Posted by CMSTPP on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 3:10 PM G-day Tom and all present!!Ruth- Looking good this afternoon. I know, I'm in for a second round, so lets see. I think I will go with a coffee and a turkey sandwich to top that off.. ThanksTom- I think I will watch this game. It looks interesting. I wonder who will win this one.... BTW- Nice shirts. If I were to choose one, it would be #2. I really like that one.. A layout your able to have fun is the kind of layout I like. That's the part about modeling I have always liked. You can choose the kind you like, the one that makes you happy. That's what's going to make this hobby so successful. DD1- When it comes to the Milwaukee Road I know a lot about it... I also model it... wait, is that not evident??? But unfortunately my layout is going to be ripped out here in the next couple of weeks. I am actually going to be moving. I hope to be getting a job in Southern Minnesota on a small shortline called, The Twin Cities and Western. I need to take a couple of classes before going ahead and getting a job with this railroad. But that doesn't mean I am going to forget this place. No way!!!! Thanks for the compliments.Fergie- I am impressed with your layout!!!! I do recognize a steam locomotive. The DM&IR 2-10-2. I have a friend who owns one of those and it's been at my house for about 4 months now. It is a nice loco. Thanks for all of your great photos. I enjoyed them.Pete- I have found an article on the Midland Continental in my model railroader magazine. I will copy it and send it to you. Happy railroadingJames The Milwaukee Road From Miles City, Montana, to Avery, Idaho. The Mighty Milwaukee's Rocky Mountain Division. Visit: http://www.sd45.com/milwaukeeroad/index.htm siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 1:34 PM G'day Gents!Thought I'd catch up on the remarks before things get totally out of hand for me. Nice to see so much activity!! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Wednesday - Oct 3rd:CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:05 AM: An early arrival - haven't seen that for awhile! But when you're trying to please us here at the bar - AND - those who pay you, well, "we takes what we gets"!! Amazing disparity in petrol prices betwixt here ‘n there! Have been taping the episodes of "The War" - we prefer viewing ‘em at our leisure rather than be forced to give up the time at perhaps inopportune times. Anyway, thus far we've viewed the first two - not bad. To say the film maker is a genius at his trade is indeed an understatement . . . Let me digress to the times we're in: For an assortment reasons, I've been thinking about just how "different" things are today from when I was a young man. Sure - that was "then" - but the memories are still with me and I lived through those times.At age 18 (1956) I had two choices - get drafted or enlist. Pretty simple. No staying at home playing with trains for me, or having mom ‘n pop to pay the freight, etc. Go in the service or go to jail. Yes - that's pretty descriptive of what could've happened to me.We had all kinds of "personalities" in the service from all corners of the nation - but for my outfit - ALL with at least a high school diploma. USCG didn't accept anything less - no such thing as "equivalencies" in those times. Anyway, once we were sent to the 13 weeks of boot camp - heads cleanly shaven - uniforms thrust at us - ‘n orders barked from morning ‘til night - well, it was a rather abrupt CHANGE for all of us. We entered adulthood pretty quickly ‘n smartly I should add. I think this nation has lost FOREVER the absolute best socialization for American men. Women I can't speak for them - for I didn't grow up as one! <grin> I KNOW what worked for me and the military surely did.Today, most of our universities ‘n high schools won't let military recruiters on their premises. And we have people in our society who think that the options young people have for their futures DOES NOT INCLUDE service to their country within the military. I find that most unsettling AND appalling.End of my ramblings - just some thoughts that don't amount to much in these days <daze> ‘n times when it seems to me that far too many of us have no understanding or experience at what service to the country really should be.Yeah - I just broke my "house rule" - so I'll pay the price! Boris, break out the "good stuff" ‘n pour ‘em all a DOUBLE. I'm going outback to scream at the moon (visible today in daylight)!!Email en route with Rendezvous ‘stuff' . . . Thanx for the visit, round ‘n quarters! Jan (JanOlov) at 8:32 AM & 10:37 AM: As our Manager so aptly put it - NO! Can't have the bottle of whisky back. <grin> It's ours ‘n we're gonna consume it - every fine drop! Can only imagine having such a layout as that depicted within the URL you provided! Also fine looking streamlined "shrouded" steamer . . . Visits, "top ups," et al always appreciated! Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:04 AM: Your Email has been received ‘n responded to - thanx! I will say this: Many, many thanx for that fine compilation you put together for our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! While it appears that your efforts either weren't viewed by all - by chance or choice - I appreciate the effort! Round, visit ‘n chat always welcome! James (CMSTPP) at 11:42 AM: Figured we'd get some OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains "stuff" from our Resident Duluth Connection and you didn't disappoint. My Can-Am HO layout represents the final model railroad major effort for this lifetime. It was conceived over a long time, put together in less than 18-months, which included the construction of the finished basement AROUND the finished layout! Yeah, just a bit backwards . . . Enjoyed every hour of the labor ‘n in spite of wanting to change this or that - or rip out a section here ‘n there - it IS the layout I've always wanted. Just took me quite a long time getting there . . . so you at the tender age of 19, well - you've got all kinds of time.Inclusive Posts are ALWAYS appreciated at this bar ‘n yours continue to meet our highest expectations! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Fergmiester Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Out on the Briny Ocean Tossed 4,240 posts Posted by Fergmiester on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 12:30 PM GoooooooD Aaafffffternoooon TOM!Can i get a feed of Sardines on toast with beans and homefries on the side? nudge nudgeI can see Captain Tom issuing orders to the Master of Arms restricting my access to this fine dining establishment. Wouldn't be the first time I've been excomunicated!Anyway some pics of the Railway as promised. Anyway we're still here undergoing repairs so I'll keep you posted.As always Fergie http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959 If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. 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Greetings from our studios high atop Majestic Mount Mentor. I am tonight hunched over the old Underwood upright and am at a loss (Boris, give me back my wallet, thank you) to try and describe the first game of the darts tournament.
The pregame festivities resumed once the parade (not the contestants) reformed. The Greater Mentor Vintage Flight, Balloon and Social Club provided a flyover of several Gotha bombers. This was followed by a parade of flags, and the national anthems of all contestants involved in the tournament. The Transylvanian national anthem is, indeed, a toe tapping ditty. Not too many folks paid attention to the opening ceremonies as the refreshments flowed and the bets were heavy.
As a refresher, darts is a game played between two players or two teams. Each player throws three darts in a turn. Then the darts are retrieved. Darts must stay on the board for at least five seconds after a player's final throw. Throws don't count if they stick in another dart or fall off the board. If a player's foot (paw or tentacle) crosses the line or if a player falls over the line, the throw doesn't count. There are no "do-overs" in darts.
Scoring is pretty straightforward. In the wedge; the amount posted on the outer ring. Double ring (outer narrow ring) twice the number hit. Triple ring, three times the Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Cindy my sweet, you look absolutely stunning in those lederhosen that almost fit you! [wow Cute little hat with a feather too . . . . I see Ruth is on the schedule for working out in the tent this afternoon! <double wow>
Just a mugga Joe with a jolt if you will. Boris, the gang needs to be fed ‘n when you're finished, get into your outfit - time's a wastin'!! Oh of course, the small jar of PPF is for YOU! <grin>
While we didn't have a whole lotta material yesterday, we did have enough customers to keep the receipts piled up. Looks like I'll just HAVE to go through ‘em up in the Penthouse Suite B4 day's end . . . . <woe is me!>
I loved those "all hands' announcements from our Cap'n! Oh how I wish my memory wasn't so "fuzzy," for there were so many great ones I heard when in the Navy - kinda like jokes, I can't recall a one, nary a one from all I've heard in my lifetime. Ain't that the pits Some guys can rattle ‘em off one after another - not me.
Glad to see my steamers got Jan ‘n Shane's attention!
Good to see the photos from Pete 'n Jan . . . 'n visits from Allan 'n Eric!
Yeah, I was pretty much "on top" of your post yesterday morning. I had the CNW stuff in my photobucket - that was no sweat. I did have to look up the BAR, and presto-zingo, there it was! Almost like it was waiting to be plucked . . . <grin>
I'm gonna get right to the Encore for this day, then I'm heading out back to help with setting up the Ocktoberfest tent ‘n stuff . . .
Here are some of my favorite subjects - DOMES! Many have been seen on the "old thread" . . . .
D&H #500/507 (from: www.trainweb.org - photo credit: Robert Staples)
D&H #500/507 (photo credit: George Hamlin)
Rock Island #1875 Quad Cities Rocket - Big Ben - (1972) (from: www.trainweb.org - photo: John Kuehl)
Auto Train #510 (from: www.trainweb.com)
ATSF #501 Super Chief dome-lounge (from: www.trainweb.com)
NP #379 in service (from: www.trainweb.org)
SP #3606 full length dome (from: LA River RRs)
DRGW #1108 Silver Pony (1980) (from: www.trainweb.org)
DRGW #1107 Silver Mustang (1982) (from: www.trainweb.org)
DRGW #1106 Silver Colt (1982) (from: www.trainweb.org)
Until the next time!
Lars
I forgot to give credit to Yesteryeardepot this time....darn...double darn *hat in hands and with bent head in shame* ! It has been corrected now. Too much of a rush to get back to my Milwaukee Road books recently purchased...
Now, should I pay off this wee felony with polishing of all our brass etc or buy you a large dram?
Don't be silly Tom, no need whatsoever to apologise for being on me mate. I just simply forgot to put in the credits this time. if there's ANY apologies neded they're to come from me. You're doing your best to keep yours and our backs clean and all that....
Shake?
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Guten Morgen allerseits!
Wie ist jeder? Es is OKTOBERFEST! Partei wollen wir!
It's the first Saturday in October! Let the party begin! But first, some coffee, pastries ‘n breakfast selections just to "fortify" the innards! <grin>
Comments from the Proprietor:
OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place begins TODAY at Noon!
We are featuring GERMAN brew all month!
GERMAN sausages have been added to the menu for the month, with all the trimmings!
On Saturday's in October The Mentor Village Teutonic Society will sponsor Oompah Music live at the "Our" Place picnic grounds Pavillion and Dance Emporium! Performers include the Sauerkraut Band, Electric Lederhosen and Burst the Wurst Trio
Lederhosen and Alpine hats are being worn by "Our Place"! staff throughout the month!
Full scale LGB trains will be running on the main lines for free round trips to Can-Am Gorge on weekends - 10 AM to 4 PM. First northbound departs the "Our" Place platform at 10 AM sharp, undt ve mean, sharp!
PLAN TO SHARE THIS FALL CELEBRATION WITH US!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Friday - Oct 5th:
Pete (pwolfe) at 4:21 PM: Wonderful spate of Sacramento RR museum fotos!
Thanx for the explanation of the "skittles" game - sounds complex to me. I'd have to watch a match to fully comprehend it <I think> - but at any rate, I'm confident I'd "get it" - order a pint ‘n be right with the world!
All this talk of your local tavern makes me wonder whether there's a conflict of interest going on!?!?!? You see, "Our" Place is where your allegiance ‘n money belongs! It's here where you're most appreciated for being YOU! So, be verrrrrrrrrrrry careful, Mate - Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his erstwhile assistant Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator MAY be checking out the situation . . . <uh oh>
A thought regarding the rebuilding undertaken by some railroads "back in the day" . . . I can't imagine any of that taking place today. Probably would cost MORE for a rebuild than to order new - just the way of the times, eh Also, where would the skilled labor come from
My Amtrak Tix arrived!
Thanx for the visit ‘n chat!
Allan (Gunneral) at 9:21 PM: I'm not surprised to learn that you share my feelings regarding the things that are important to the ways of our respective ways of life. Letting one's guard down is never the way to remain strong . . . ‘nuf said. <arrrrrggggghhhhh>
Read a "blurb" about a NZ earthquake. Any problems where you are Hope not!
All those years firing large guns . . . hope the hearing is still intact, Mate!! Aboard ship we called our Gunnersmates "cannon cockers" . . .
You destroyed my image of the "guides" in the Tui Brewery! I'm not traveling half way ‘round the globe to be in company with some large man with a full beard! <yikes>
Glad you're "up" for the upcoming Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match, Part Deux!
The talk of relief for arthritis got my attention! Mussels, eh Never acquired a taste for ‘em, BUT I COULD - when's that plane leave for NZ
Appreciate the visit, round ‘n dialogue!
Saturday - Oct 6th:
Eric (EricX2000) at 1 AM: Nice shot of The Second Class Saloon - that's Pete ‘n Moi coming out - caught us!! <grin>
What's in a name Well to some it's a BIG thing. My paternal grandfather used to go completely bonkers whenever someone would spell the family name with two "Bs" - he said that he came to the new country with only his name and he'd be if he'd have it spelled incorrectly by anyone. He was quite serious.
Funny how I've seen your last name appear several times since we met here at the bar. Only because I now know you of course is why it's familiar. But to see it with two "Fs" - well that brought back memories of grandpa!
Haven't checked the AM Email yet - but between you ‘n Pete with responding to the Rendezvous planning AND the shirt selections for the Dart'
Greetings Tom and gentlemen,
2.400th post!? Me...!? Well, THAT calls for celebrations!! Barkeep! Please bring out the best that the house has top offer....! Todays drinks are on me fellas!!
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....
Tom, Alaska Rail Adventure coming to a conclusion?!It can't be possible...."shock....horror". I hope that you've planned a good follow up mate...right?
pwolfe, anytime mate. Thanks for the info on Skittles. I've noticed that every now and then I come across a sport that's only played in a few villages and so on. Some more odd than the other. Great pics as well! Wouldn't you just LOVE to see that Cabforward steam again, hmm?
Gunneral, as it now turns out mate, the Milwaukee Road and Hiawatha's etc has become an obsession here....but, can you blame me? Try to sleep whenever I get a chance. Usually a couple of hours when I come home and later during the another wee kip...
EricX2000, I'll ask me dad in an email to see what he hs to say about the V1, V3 and others...I'll let you know.
Some 4-8-4's to enjoy....
Have a nice day and take care.
See you around the corner....
Santa Fe #3774 on "Chief" out of LA. Action and power is the name of the game as the bigSanta Fe Northern #3774 highball's the main with the"Chief" out of Los Angeles, California, 1939.
Photographer: Fred C. Stoes
Milwaukee Railroad 4-8-4 #208/freight. Milwaukee Northern #208 is seen at Deerfield, Illinois witha long freight. Circa 1949.Photographer: Fred C. Stoes
Rio Grande #1803 blasts out of Salida.A 4-8-4, #1803, Denver & Rio Grande Western beauty chargesthe main out of Salida, Colorado, November, 1939.
SP 4459/#98 Daylight Limited at 79mph.Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #4459 is on the head end of the"Daylight Limited", #98, as it charges the main throughthe Pajaro Valley at 79 miles-per-hour. The 4459 wasSKF roller bearinged on engine and tender and classed asa GS-5 because of it. Sister locomotive #4458 was theother GS-5, but with Timken roller bearings.Photograph by: Fred C. Stoes
Lehigh Valley 4-8-4 loco #5126, 1934 Lehigh Valley Northern locomotive #5126 poses inthis 1934 photograph.
Photograph by: Unknown
NYC 4-8-4 6025/pass Bellefontaine 1946 In this exquisite shot New York Central 4-8-4 Niagaralocomotive #6025, with passenger train, is seen at theplatform of Bellefontaine, Ohio, 1946.
Richmond-Washington/RF&P 4-8-4 #613 The Richmond, Fredricksburg & Patomac Northern #613,"The John Marshall", was yet another locomotive operatingover the main. Baldwin built this big flyer during Aprilof 1945 under construction number 71992 to the same specs.as the #608.Photographer: Unknown
A Powerful Wabash 4-8-4 #2904In this strong view a Wabash Northern poses atan unknown location. A mighty steam engine.
Photographer: Paul L. Elienberger
Credit: yesteryeardepot.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, you are still keeping this place open at this early hour!!? I really appreciate it! I think a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich would be perfect! On rye, of course! I'll have an ice cold Keith's!
Quite a few visitors here today, even though several were kind of in a hurry.
Tom – Guten Morgen Herr Kapitän! Yes, I know about Affeldt. He is a pitcher. I saw him on TV not long ago. If he is related? Doubt it, but it is not impossible. I had ancestors who came to California in the early 1920’s. How many kids and grandkids, etc. they left behind, I don’t know. Recieved email, you should have my response when you read this. Chicago & NorthWestern! C&NW has a special place in my heart for different reasons. It was the first US railroad I knew as a kid, and I bought a two unit model (A+B) of a C&NW F7 in 1961 that is still around. Paid a fortune for it (my opinion then). Interesting info and nice looking drumheads.Lars – Vito the Hit? Is that the guy who is looking through the keyhole when you and Ruth is taking care of the admin work? Hmm. Nice book covers! I’ll go for the last book, C&NW Passenger Train Equipment! JanOlov – You better ask your dad next time what switcher he liked the best. Maybe an electric, Classes Ub and/or Ud?Ron – Yes, there was a door at each end of all Class D. Those doors (in most cases) were removed in the 60’s. I think there is still a door on #109 though. I’ll have some more info for you within a couple of days.Looking forward to your response!DL – Have a nice weekend you too! Hope to see you back soon!CM3 – I can imagine BAR was a Class 1 railroad when it comes to service and people, but revenue? I believe you, it was just a surprise to me. Thanks for the info!So you are the one who killed the last dinosaur? That was not very nice! Pete – Info on BNSF "Citizens for Rail Security" can be found on this link:http://www.citizensforrailsecurity.com/video.htmlAs far as I know BNSF is the only railroad with this kind of program.You can always return to the museum next year!Somewhere I read that SP #4294 is operational. Do you know if that is true?Thanks for the pictures!Allan – I don’t know why I didn’t figure out about your “name” sooner? Could it be my age?
Our opponents planning the strategy for the Big Battle, coming up in a near future. They already got the first snow!
Eric
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, a round of Tui for all the crew please.
Tom. Great posts on the B&A and the C&NWR, enjoyed all your interesting posts and comments. I totally agree with you about the lack support by a large part of our population at times of having to stand "on the line" in defence of our freedoms, these freedoms have cost a hell of a lot of human life and valour to achieve. Am sharpening up those Dart points ready for the Comp! Thanx for the e-mail.
Pete. Nice pics of the Sacramento Museum, really enjoying the updates on your trip. Have been able to get Newcastle "Broon" Ale over here at one of the local supermarkets, to me it does`nt taste as strong as it used to be way back when, but of course I prefer the taste of Tui now, could be the reason it does`nt taste as strong! Did`nt 10 pin bowling derive from the old game of skittles? They are so similar! How`s the eye going for the darts comp? See we are teamed up! Great joke about Jesus playing for "The Toon" , the hero of my youth was Jackie Milburn, Captain in the early 50`s, he was the Uncle of Bobby and Jackie Charlton, as they say in the "Toon", "Ha`way the Lads"!
Ron. Good to see your trip to Florida was a success. Their are thousands of acres of Radiata pine here, they started planting them in the depression years after they found they grew twice as fast as anywhere else, great foresight, a lot of it is exported as woodchips to Japan, a big export money earner, our house framing is made from it. Glad you like our mussels, the Green lipped one`s are supposed to be good for the relief of arthritis pain and swelling, we eat a lot of them and I hav`nt suffered from arthritis yet, only the occasional touch of gout!
Per. Glad you enjoyed those sites, the "Girls" at Tui are a bit of an advertising eye candy, when we went through there a few years ago the guide was a bloke with a big beard! I might take another trip down there just to check it out.
Lars. A great selection of steam loco pics and book covers mate, and I enjoyed all your comments to the crew, the conversation here is really great all the time.
Eric. Good to see you got a good report from your Doc mate. Forgot to mention in my previous post that you were correct about my name, 14yrs in the artillery, mostly AAA, spent a lot of time on Bofors guns, the L60`s at first then the L70`s, we used to do live firing out into the Baltic sea in northern Germany, not far from Kiel. Great drawing of yours of the Class DU, have printed it out for my collection of prints , many thanks.
James. Great pics of your new loco, what a gigantic cake your Mom baked for your birthday mate. Good to see you got the job on the TC&W, now you`ve got the hobby in FULL scale!
CM3. Great blond joke, it is now doing the rounds of all my mates here.
Fergie. Nice pics of your ship and the layout as well. Are the CG going to try to navigate the NW passage at all now it is virtually clear of all the ice?
Dan. See you were in for short visit, hope to see the rest of your trip story soon.
Jan. Keep the steam pics coming mate, loved them all, those Hiawatha pics were great too. When do you sleep?
See ya, Allan
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH and is there any Fish ‘N' Chips left I forgot to order them yesterday and I don't want to upset H&H especially during Oktoberfest.
ERIC It would be really good to hear so more about the BNSF Citizens for Rail Security scheme. It is UP through here and I have not heard of them running a similar scheme.
I'm afraid I did not get many details on the locomotives in the museum. I was hoping to return to the museum and take some notes as I could not find a guidebook, but as usual on vacation the time disappears, I am hoping Dave of Per has more info on the trains in the museum.
Thanks for the photo of 109
LARS Is it just me or did the regular baseball season seem to pass by real quickly this year.
You could be right about the drink, the bride rang me and said "Don't forget we meeting friends at Pat's Place tonight. It was a good night, the honeymoon ale as finished so it was Pumpkin ale instead it was quite good.
The museum in Sacramento is a great place. I have photos later.
Thanks for the Bangor & Aroostook and C&NW book covers.
JAN Glad you liked the pics.
I'm surprised but pleased you have heard of skittles, I will put a brief description of the game in my reply to TOM.
Thanks for the drink.
RON Looking forward to your post when you have caught up, thanks for the drink.
It must have great to have seen a Big Boy in steam; I keep hoping that one day one of them can be steamed again. How long as the museum been there at Sacramento, it is hard to believe that the Railway Museum at York, England as been open for over 30 years now, times flies.
DL It will be good to read your post on your trip on the Polar Bear Express.
My BTF DVD arrived yesterday I have had just time to see a part of disc 1. I am very pleased, how times have changed though. The quality of the films considering their age is wonderful, thanks for the tip on the DVD.
Another beer, thanks
CM3 Glad you liked the photos. I have some more layout photos for next week, one with a great trestle on it.
Real glad the reporter as been found and ready for the darts match. He must be a brave soul trusting the transport to the tender hands of BORIS.
TOM I see we have passed the 2,400th post at the bar.
It would be good to go back to San Diego again, hopefully when they are not having Missouri type heat.
The ALCO PA 1 looks superb in D&H colors. Those silver bogies really set off the blue color; I bet they were a job to keep clean though.
Glad you liked the Sacramento photos. I am sure you would enjoy a few hours in the museum; the display of model trains on the first floor is great as well.
Yes Skittles, the form we played was known as Table Skittles, a bit hard to explain. It is played in Northamptonshire, Leicestershire and the southeast corner of Warwickshire. The skittles are on a table about 3 ft high with the sides and a back with leather padding. With a net from the back over the pins. There are 9 pins laid out in a diamond pattern, 8 in the diamond and 1 dead center. The pins are shaped a little like a ten pin but about 6 inches tall and about an inch and a
Time to get a leg up on the Posts before checking out for the day . . . THANX to all who stopped by!!
CONGRATS to Jan for making the 2,400th Post at the reborn "Our" Place! Have a <double> on the house!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:14 AM: You must've been reading my mind to come up with those "covers" so quickly! Nice compliments to the C&NW "non-theme" ‘n of course the BAR from the day before! I didn't catch that DVD of the BAR when I browsed around to enhance my Fallen Flags piece . . . . nicely done, Sir!
I noticed when trying to find supporting stuff for the Bangor & Aroostook that some sites were using B&A as the "reporting mark." Just goes to show how one can come away with erroneous info IF one doesn't first THINK about it, then of course CHECK it out. B&A is Boston & Albany! BAR is correct for the "Aroostook" reference. And by the by, yes, I can understand where "AroostoCk" would be the way some would want to spell it. I've done it too! <grin>
I think your gesture will fall into oblivion when it comes to trying to get the guys to "invite" others to the bar. Been asking for this pretty much from the "get go" ‘n rarely get anyone to "bite." So be it . . . Last guy out the door, shut out the lights ‘n put the keys under the mat . . . <grin>
Sorry I've been a bit tardy in answering your Email - I'm really trying to discipline myself to only check it once per day. This stuff can drive one to drink! Hmnmmmm, what's WRONG with that, eh
Finally, NOT TO WORRY - if you have to check out for a week or more, do it! The bar shouldn't even be a consideration when it comes to things far more important . . . If no one steps up <which I doubt will happen> not a thing we can do about it!! The IDEAL make-up for the bar would be ALL retirees . . . but then again, even retirees have other things to do! Oh well . . .
Many thanx for the round ‘n continuing support for the bar!
Jan (JanOlov) at 10:27 AM: Alaska Rail Adventure fotos are for Saturday Photo Posting Day! Watch for ‘em as they will be coming to a conclusion pretty soon!
You've gotten the message, eh Good job, Mate - you're been added to the "Our" Place Dart's team as the Alternate. You'll be assigned a shirt AND Boris will contact you for a "fitting" appointment for your leather ensemble! <uh oh> Thanx for answering the call!!
Appreciate the continuing support, round, cigars ‘n cash!!
Ron (DD1) at 12:06 PM: Catching up is never an easy thing ‘round here - so be sure to SAVE your work!! Gremlins love it when Posts are LOST in the Ether! <uh oh>
Thanx for the round!
Dan (DL-UK) at 12:14PM: Whatever it is you do to earn your living must be rather demanding if it takes you away from "play time" during the daytime! <grin> There just are times when a guy has to do what a guy has to do!
Good seeing ya, even if only for a brief respite. Many thanx for the round!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 12:27 PM: All kinds of Email being exchanged! <phew> Appreciate your taking the time to respond . . . beginning to wonder where some of my outgoing stuff winds up.
In a half hour period yesterday I saw our Petrol prices go from $2.47 (rounded) to $2.59 . . . today it's at $2.57. Can't understand any of it!
I like Joe Torre, but could care less about the Zillioinaire Ball Club in the Bronx (ZBCB). Still think it will be the BoSox who will prevail through it all. My "blooooooze" lost their opening game against those Desert Dogs in Phoenix! <geesh> And to think that IF the Cards had wound up in 1st place in the NL Central, they may have played against the Snakes on the SAME night as the Blues ‘n Coyotes faced off. Cudda happened . . .
St. Louis Lambs (aka: Rams) telecast is blacked out here Sunday - didn't sell out. Crazy rule - they have over 60 thousand who have purchased Tix, but that ain't enuf for the greed-mongers-who run things . . . <triple barf> Whenever the Arizona Buzzards (aka: Cardinals) come to town, it's a BIG deal.
Good Morning (Afdternoon - I started this message at 830 a.m., but got sidetracked) Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England 4 Seasons Blend will be fine); we'll break training this a.m. - let's see what's on the sandwich board; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
We are back in summertime weather here for the next few days will feature temps in the upper 80s. It is still bone dry - we really need rain or we are going to have a real problem with fires later in the season. Gas is at $285 and Cleveland put a whuppin' on the Yankees - gotta love it!
Lots to cover today so here goes!
Jan - A few years back the late, lamented publication Locomotive Quarterly ran a feature on SP&S steam power. They had some pictures of that road's 4-6-0s. I'll bet you can find the magazine (which was really more of a perf bound book) at a local train show.
John Allen inspired many of us years ago. Go back and look at old issues of MR and you will see the G&D featured in various articles but also in some truly whimsical ads - how many of you remember the dinosaur loading gons? I was more of a Frank Ellison devotee - I wanted my layout to be like the Delta Lines.
Lars sent all kinds of interesting items. I especially liked the KM steam locomotive
The shot of UP 812 was one of the best I've seen in a long time - the photographer truly nailed that one. Also liked the shot of 822 - elephant ears and all.
The BAR item you showed is a good one - it's in the video parlor at the house somewhere.
Also - GAME ON!
James was by with pictures of new power, etc. Cake looked pretty good, too.
DD1 - Old? Old? Now what was I talking about? Jeez, I think I dropped my truss.
Fergie - Challenger helper? Yikes, must be quite a pull ahead of that train. Thanks for sharing with us.
Pete is here. The museum pictures were good. I always liked that WP color scheme. The third of your layout pictures had fine-looking bridge in the lower right corner.
Per - "Advance" was, in general, part of the train name. The New Haven for example had an "Advance Merchants Limited" which ran ahead of the "Merchants." The "Advance" was a regularly scheduled separate train, not a section of another train. I am sure that really muddies things for you now. If so, my work here is done. BTW, KM did build diesels for SP.
Eric - Class V3 picture was interesting. BAR was definitely a Class I railroad in terms of revenue, service, and people. A visit to them in the not so long ago was like going to a museum as they had lots of first generation power including a number of BL2s. Yes, Boris, I got slides of a lot of that stuff. Their cabeese were r/b from WW2 troop sleepers. One thing I remember was going into a yard office which had originally been a coal dock - they never let anything go to waste. For a look at what the line is doing now, check out the Montreal, Maine and Atlantic website.
OSP sent along a lot of material. I just got a carrier pigeon message form high atop majestic Mount Mentor and our intrepid reporter informs me that he has been out in the garage and is trying to determine whether to use the Locomobile or the Pierce Arrow as transportation to and from the, as he put it, "darting venue." He always has had a way with words. He also informed me that whatever he uses for travel, Boris in his dual role as "automotive engineer and riding mechanic" will be provided with appropriate duster, goggles, and motoring cap. I'll bet that coat will be bigger than the one Chad Johnson wore in the ball game a couple of weeks ago.
Thanks for the BAR post. "Squa Pan" is Algonkian for "Big slushy place." They truly do winter up there.
BTW, bartenders/tavern owners have long been known for their abilities to editorialize. Lederhosen and Alpine hats? I hope it will be more than that as I thought of how Edgar Alan Poe got bounced out of West Point. The uniform of the day called for crossbelts and sword and that's all he had on when he showed up for a.m. formation. Now in the case of the comely bartenders..........
Also enjoyed the CNW material and the D&H PA. BAR blue was a bit darker and it faded into a lighter blue whereas the D&H blue seemed to maintain its original hue.
"Shane?" My daughter knows bout the nickname and when TMC ran the movie awhile back, she said, "When did they make a picture about you? And it's got sound" This is the same one who asked me if I felt guilty when, on the way home from school, I killed the last dinosaur. It hurts (LOL)
work safe
Hello Tom and all in
I'll have a pint of bitter from Ron then, but also I'll leave enough on the bar for a round for the house!
Once agian not enough time for a proper catch up - very frustarting as I'm keen to enter the dialogue on this and that - and also complete my ONR trip report with the Polar Bear Express from Cochrane to Moosonee (with the proper domes and diners on that leg...).
Anyhow - hope everyone has a good weekend. I'm hoping to start my next Tom Rolt Book - Railway Adventure - about the narrow gauge preservation activity!
All the best
DL
Good day Tom and all present. Drinks on me and a special thankyou for Eric for the drawing of the 1-C-1. I now have all the dimensions to complete the working drawings. Only one other thing puzzles me and that is: is there a door at the ends of the engine, or just a window. Of all the pictures I've looked at, I can't tell if there is a door or not.
I haven't been to the forum until now. I read the E-mail and wanted to respond right away. I haven't forgotten the rest of you guys. I have a long response being worded on my word processor as I read the posts one by one. It may take me some time to catch up, but expect it to be lo......ng and hopefully not too boring.
Pete: I was at the inaugural opening of the museum in Sacramento. They had a "big boy" and other steamers in operation. It was quite an experience standing a few feet from that engine, feeling the heat, sounds and other senses.
Until later, DD1
Greetings Tom and fellow track walkers....
Could I please have some of your blackest Java please? Give the lads a top up with cigars too if you don't mind....thanks. Here's something for yourself $$$....
Puts some $$$$ in the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.
A short post before I return to myMilwaukee Road weekend with my two latest books to read. My apologies.
Da Larsman, nice selection of pics mate! I try my best to sleep mate, but for some odd reason wake up after 3 or so hours everyday....
That eye opener (cheers btw) didn't just open my eyes, it had a good spring cleaning of my throat as well....clean as whistle now. Have a dram on me pal....
Tom, nice posts with Bangor & Aroostook and C&NW . Well, you've convinced me, sign me up for the Darts as well, hoping for beginners luck here. Hoping to see more of your excellent Alaska pics mate.....where are they?
pwolfe, I've heard about skittle actually... Not much of a following, as with football, you can almost say. Great pics!
EricX2000, according to my dad, they were a royal pain in the ... Can't which he liked best of the old switchers.
Kitchen in full swing folks....
Ruth my deAH, set ‘em up for the boyz - treats for the crittAHs - PPF for Boris ‘n a hot mugga Joe with a double jolt for me! Change of course is for YOU my sweet! <blush>
Really a slow day at the Watering Hole by the Wayside on Thursday. As Da Bossman tells us, this joint is indeed a Hit ‘n Miss proposition or better yet, Feast or Famine! BUT, the guys who do keep things on an even keel really deserve special mention: SO here's to ya! <grin>
Baseball Gods are smiling this day as the Phillies are in the "hole" - right where they belong! <triple grin> Figured the Reptiles would do well against the Cubs - nevAH really thought the Indians wudda beaten the Yanks so badly. Didjano that the Yanks took all of the regular season games against ‘em So much for that, huh BoSox are in good shape out in southern Cal . . . surprise team has to be the Rockies.
Hockey is ON! I'm more than ready . . . now if my Jints can really keep the forward momentum, I'll be "set" between the NFL ‘n NHL for the wintAH!
Gotcha e-mail Cap'n Tom ‘n replied!
From Da Manager: I noticed two of our guys "on another thread" and wondered whether either of ‘em thought to invite whoever created that subject to come aboard???? I don't stray from either of Da Bossman's sites - but couldn't help but notice the cyber handles of our guys. NO PROBLEM with that of course.
So c'mon fellas - you know the "drill" - IF in your opinion you are "talking" to an ADULT (not an AH or JO or someone totally "anon") with what it takes to join us at the bar - INVITE him!! Refer the guy to page one, etc., etc., etc. Then Da Bossman will take it from there with the "official" welcome, etc.
For Da Boss! Liked the Bangor & Aroostook (that's a difficult name for me - I always want to say ArooSTOCK!) Anyway, the little known roads are the most intriguing and hold all kinds of "stuff" for the guy willing to do a bit of "digging."
Also today's feature is a winnAH too! Chicago & North Western - nicely done with the drum heads ‘n added "stuff" to the wikipedia material. You ALWAYS come up with something to keep us interested. Here's to Da Bossman! CHEERS, mate! [tup ]
Oh yeah, you want that I should get Vito the Hit to shake up Pete ‘n Eric for ya WHAT in the world is going on with these two Hmmmmmmmmm, smoking the funny stuff perhaps Nahhhhhhhhhh - drinking more than perhaps they should Probably! <grin>
For Pete ‘n Eric: Good to see the both of you at the bar yesterday - looks like the three of us are once again holding things together. Pretty much defines "regulars," huh Well, it ain't a competition, but I'll tell ya this - we NEED new customers!
Liked those Sacramento photos, Pete! Brought to mind some memories of my last visit to the place. Fantastic isn't it
Time again for the Larsman Mobile!
Bangor & Aroostook Railroad - The First 100 Years (1891-1991)
Chicago & North Western in Color - Vol 1 (1941-1953)
The Chicago & North Western Business Train
The Chicago & North Western Passenger Train Equipment
Ruth, I'll be up in the Penthouse Suite when you take your break - <ahem> admin work awaits!
Here's something from the archives to add to the reading material at this cyber tavern . . .
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Chicago and North Western Railway
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.
Reporting marks
CNW, CNWS, CNWZ
Locale
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming
Dates of operation
1865 - 1995
Successor line
Union Pacific
Track gauge
4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)
Headquarters
Chicago, Illinois
The Chicago and North Western Railway (AAR reporting marks: CNW, CNWS, CNWZ; unofficial abbreviation: C&NW) was a Class I railroad in the United States. It was also known as the North Western.
History
The Chicago and North Western Railway was chartered on June 7, 1859. It had purchased the assets of the bankrupt Chicago, St. Paul and Fond du Lac Railroad five days earlier. On February 15, 1865, it officially merged with the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad, which had been chartered on January 16, 1836. Since the Galena & Chicago Union started operating in December, 1848, and the Fond du Lac railroad started in March, 1855, the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad is considered to be the origin of the North Western railroad system.
The North Western had owned a majority of the stock of the Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha Railway (Omaha Road) since 1882. On January 1, 1957, it officially leased the company, and merged it into the North Western in 1972. The Omaha Road's main line ran from an interchange with the North Western at Elroy, Wisconsin, to the Twin Cities, down to Sioux City, Iowa, and then finally to Omaha, Nebraska.
The North Western picked up several important short railroads during its later years. It finalized acquisition of the Litchfield and Madison railroad on January 1, 1958. The Litchfield and Madison railroad was a 44-mile bridge road from East St. Louis to Litchfield, Illinois. On July 30, 1968, the North Western acquired two former interurbans - the 36-mile Des Moines and Central Iowa Railway (DM&CI), and the 110-mile Fort Dodge, Des Moines and Southern Railway (FDDM&S). The DM&CI gave access to the Firestone plant in Des Moines, Iowa, and the FDDM&S provided access to gypsum mills in Fort Dodge, Iowa.
On November 1, 1960, the North Western acquired the rail properties of the 1,500-mile Minneapolis and St. Louis Railway. In spite of its name, it ran only from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Peoria, Illinois. This acquisition provided traffic and modern rolling stock, and eliminated competition.
On July 1, 1968
The end of the work week <for many> has finally arrived! What better way to celebrate this day than with us at the breakfast nook Yeah - we've got freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - freshly baked pastries stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case - and - the Menu Board is loaded with <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts!!
OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place begins tomorrow, October 6th at Noon!
Thursday - Oct 4th:
Jan (JanOlov) at 9:31 AM: Was wondering WHO would be our first daytime customer since CM3 Shane "announced" he wouldn't be here on Thursday! Appreciate having your aboard ‘n it worked well, for the morning "slot" is important for this bar - as with a good breakfast, it's a healthy way to begin the day!
Yes, you might say we'll be "fortified" before, during ‘n after our Dart's tournament rounds . . . <urp> Sure you can't find it within yourself to step up I mean we're talking ALTERNATE for cripes sake!! <geesh> Think of it this way - you'll get a shirt ‘n leather ensemble to retain as keepsakes . . . if you think people will laugh at you during the Dart's tournament - just imagine what they'll do when they see you in THAT get up!! Ooooooooops, methinks I'm dissuading you . . . <grin>
Good continuing interaction between you ‘n the customers!
Appreciate the visit, round, cash, etc. . . . .
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10 AM: Appreciate seeing you in your familiar "slot" to keep things moving forward ‘round here.
Many thanx for being the FIRST to respond by Email to my request for the shirt info . . . Allan was SECOND! Anyway, not to worry about the leather pants - waistlines are elastic ‘n the "important" places are expandable too . . . <grin>
We'll be sure to capture the ‘spirit' of it all on our in-house security system cameras! No, no - Pete won't have a thing to do with those!!! <yikes>
I think you "pegged" it perfectly regarding the seemingly disjointed behavior from the Wolfman lately. He's been under tremendous stress - I mean consider the "performance" demands! Then the manipulation of the timing involved with one leaving town ‘n the other arriving and so forth. <double yikes>
The more I read that math explanation of yours, the more sense it makes! I think it's time for a triple jolt of JD on the rocks! <grin>
Enjoyed viewing your spate of steamers - nice choices, Mate!
Thanx for the round ‘n chat too!
Pete (pwolfe) at 4:01 PM: The return of the Hit ‘n Miss syndrome at the Watering Hole by the Wayside. Sure can't predict when we'll have a crowd ‘round here - BUT - we CAN depend upon YOU to keep things rolling along in the PM slot!
Enjoyed eavesdropping on your conversation - and - comments directed to me ‘n offer these comments:
(1) Don't be concerned about Mountain man Mike from the Second Class Saloon - he didn't understand a thing you said! <grin>
(2) How is "skittles" played
(3) Yes, you did take a couple of fotos with MY camera in Halifax ‘n they turned out well. However, I had the "settings" FIXED <aka: Pete-proof!>
(4) BAR livery is close - but no "seeeeegar." D&H blue was far more brilliant.
D&H ALCO PA1 #18 (copyright: Corel Corp.)
(5) Difficulties with the Pix taking in SDiego can only mean you'll have to
Leon, it is time for my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris. Fries, please! An ice cold Keith's will be perfect!
A busy day at work with a happy ending! A kind of quiet day here at the bar though. Which is okay.
Tom – Me? Using picture for target practice? No, no, I would never do that. Friday morning is my next practice hour (if I can find the pic... hrrmmm, the target, I mean). I’ll post a picture of my home in the old country on Saturday. Bangor & Aroostook, a railroad I actually have heard about before. Clearly not a class 1 railroad, but interesting never the less!JanOlov – I didn’t mind working on V3. I guess if I had had to do it every day it would have been a different story. Lars – It looks like D’backs will win again tonight. Now ahead 8-2 (top of 6th). A nice collection of 4-8-4’s! I like the picture from the SLO-Horseshoe Curve where the front locomotive seemingly is idling around the curve and the helper is pushing hard at the rear!Pete – You mentioned BNSF’s Citizens for Rail Security. I signed up for it when it was created. We have BNSF tracks to Phoenix and a lot of BNSF trains running across northern Arizona. I can’t recall I ever thought about any differences operating a diesel-hydraulic or a diesel-electric when switching. Maybe the diesel-hydraulic has a little advantage though. What railroad did #2467 come from? Nice pictures from a nice museum!
For Ron.
All dimensions in millimeters.
The drawing shows a Class Du with a steel body. The wooden one has the same dimensions but the windows are different as you can see in this picture.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
PER The trip we had from Sacramento was from a station not far from the Museum. I think the train headed south, anyway we followed the river that was on the right hand side of the train on the way out. The trip took about 20 minutes and the engine ran round at a place called ‘BATHS'
No we did not have any trouble taking photos at San Diego depot and we did not see any notice about not taking photos. It has become disturbing in Britain that railfans are getting bother at some stations with photo and their hobby taking lately, photography of railways as been going on since the invention of the camera. The Railway Magazine even has a regular column about it named Iron Curtain Britain, although Network rail, that owns a lot of the stations,say photography and railfans are ok, with a few sensible safety rules in which no one can argue with.
I see in the latest issue of Trains magazine (NOV) that a scheme where BNSF have registered railfans, who while enjoying their hobby, inform the railroad if they see trespassing, or any fault they see on passing trains. It said BNSF are very pleased with the scheme.
It will be good to see photos of the SP 4-8-2.
ERIC Many thanks for the photo of the V3, it looks a powerful loco. Do you think the Diesel Hydraulics or Diesel Electrics were best for switching
It will be good to see your photos of the model railway in San diego
JAN Your comments on the darts reminded me about our skittle team (A little known game played in just three counties in the Midlands of England), that one of our players was only VERY good when he was angry, so it was the job of his mate to fire him up with comments like the ones in your post, if he wasn't playing too good, brought back great memories
I have some pictures from the model layout, one with one of their trestles, they must take a lot of work to construct but they look superb on a layout.
LARS I will probably need protection when we play at the Second Class Saloon, Mountain Man Mike has not forgotten I put him down as the leader of the Mentor Village Knitting Circle in the quiz Tom ran a while back.
I wish I knew what is going on with cameras and me lately. I though there would be more than three of my pics I could use but no. Luckily the bride has some and I thought I had transferred them to the JPEG format I can post already but I will.
Many thanks for the great photos of the 4-8-2s and the 4-8-4s I wonder if there was a reason the UP # 812 as the boiler painted in a light color. Great picture of the Daylight on the Horseshoe Curve, it seems the train loco is taking a breather while the helper is doing all the work.
TOM Only excuse I have it was hard to get photos at the model railway in San Diego it was quite dark and the model lines were behind plastic widows s I could not use a flash, if I had got one with me that is, anyway the bride took some so I will show them next week.
There is something weird though. I know I took photos at the zoo and in the boiler room on the Berkley but where they went I don't know. I don't think I touched your camera, but wait a minute though, I think you got me to take a photo of Fergie and you at Halifax. It was lucky it worked at all after I had my hands on it.
Yes I will look after all the liquor stocks but the amount of paperwork I have to generate so Manager Lars can do his ‘Admin Duties' is unbelievable.
Many thanks for the Bangor and Aroostook Fallen Flag Encore. The F unit looks great in that Blue and White livery, am I right in thinking that livery is very similar to the D&H colors.
I have some photos of inside the Sacramento Railroad Museum; I hope you can see what a great place it is. Unfortunately I could not see a guidebook in the great museum shop so if anyone has any details of the locomotives it would be great.
In the entrance of the museum.
It's been awhile, so time again for a Fallen Flag from the archives of "Our" Place!
Here's another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads.
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #25
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Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Bangor & Aroostook (BAR) Headquarters: Bangor, ME Mileage: 1950: 616 2000: 433 Locomotives in 1963: Diesels: 46 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 4,646 - Passenger cars: 2
Principal lines in 1950 (all in Maine): Searsport-Derby-Fort Kent Brownville-Brownville Jct. Northern Maine Jct.-Bangor Derby-Greenville Old Town-South Lagrange South Lagrange-West Seboois Oakfield-Phair-Presque Isle-Van Buren Van Buren-St. Francis Squa Pan-Stockholm Mapleton-Presque Isle Caribou-Limestone Phair-Fort Fairfield
Passenger Trains of note: Aroostook Flyer (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.) Potatoland Special (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)
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Enjoy! Tom
Ruth my deAH, set up the bar with a drink on me, wudja And I'll take just a mugga Joe with a BK-splash if you please! Boris, the crittAHs are lined up so it must be feeding time! Go to it ‘n that small jar of PPF is YOURS! Oh yes, keep the change my sweet thing! <blush>
Should mention that my e-mail was sent for the shirt selection ‘n Da Bossman confirmed that I have #3! Awwwwwright!!
For Da Boss: Great write-up for the Dart's tournament. Shirts are "way cool" ‘n do they really make leather pants in ALL sizes????? I'm kinda XXXL when it comes to THAT! <groan>
I compared the names on the 2nd Class Saloon's teams with last year ‘n noted that they all are "new." Apparently the others are still incarcerated, huh I see that their owner is going to be the substitute (alternate). Why not That's about all he's good for anyway! <uh oh> First stone has been flung . . .
By the way, I know where you're "at" when it comes to the "way things are" today. I have to keep telling myself over ‘n over that as my generation ages ‘n dies off, what's coming up by ‘n large has NO CLUE about the sacrifices made by those B4 ME, much less from me ‘n mine. It's a world that has turned upside down as far as I'm concerned and I wouldn't even be able to list the "values" we have as a nation any longer. That doesn't bode well, does it Yeah, there are guys getting blown to bits today while others are playing games ‘n living the grand life. Sure, the idea of it all is to place blame, then go about the day. What a mess. End of Boris, ring the ding - round on me for being
For Per: Yes, you are very observant - that IS what you think it IS on the tender of that German loco. First time I noticed it I wondered. THEN it struck me - I detest revisionist historians ‘n those who would disguise the past in something wrapped far differently. So, since those trains existed - and obviously there's a world-wide market for ‘em - we have choices: to buy OR not to buy. ‘nuf said from me on that front.
I'm still NOT over the collapse of my Mets - so tread LIGHTLY young man, very LIGHTLY!! <grimace>
New math Why I haven't the foggiest what you mean! Look, it's really SIMPLE: Eight is eight except when in pairs of two, then it's four, which is less than six. What's so confusing about THAT Anyway, this is all the fault of Jan - the ‘confused' Swede who thinks he's a Scot!! Don't even ask me to ‘splain THAT one! <grin>
I see Da Boss ‘splained the CM3 I'm NOT Shane! "thing" . . . got it now Good!
The federal bureaucracy is the culprit with or without the war on terror, these matters of "routine" shouldn't wind up causing more problems. Same for the passport nonsense that is still going on. This is plainly the left hand NOT even caring about what the right hand is doing. I'd fire the lot of ‘em - then of course finding competent people to replace ‘em would create yet another problem. Woe is us - the paper pushers will rule the earth - something akin to the "meek" perhaps
For Pete: Look mate, I don't want to constantly pick on YOU - but for cripes sakes, what in the world is WRONG with your ability <inability> to get it right when using a camera?????? <quadruple geesh>
Nice three shots from the San Diego museum for model trains, surely would've liked to see MORE!
Also looks like you bumbled the request from Da Boss about the shirt selections! <geesh again> Must be the fact that your Mrs. has returned 'n probably ALMOST caught you "in the act"!! By the way, did Sonia get away ok??
Now to something SERIOUS: You are the Bar Chandler ‘n I'm the Manager. Say no more - stock the stuff ‘n keep it stocked or you'll be back to the THIMBLE sized dipper! <another quadruple geesh>
Glad you enjoyed the Euro model trains . . .
For Fergie: Great looking model steam locos - simply great! Now, how ‘bout some descriptions Also, thanks for participating <finally> in our Wednesday "event"!!
As long as the sardines are from Norway, I see no problem with your choice of things to eat! <grin> Beans ‘n sardines go together like ice cream ‘n sauerkraut! BUT it's YOUR gut . . . <grin>
For Eric: I'm happy that your Reptiles beat the little bears from Chicago, I'm no fan of their pitcher from last night. Anyway, the Phillies got beat, which does my stone-cold-heart GOOD! <grin>
Greetings......yaaawwnnnn.....Tom and ....yaawwnnnn......gentlemen.
I'm sorry for the rather late public appearance, just woke up......stretches..gnnnnn.
May I please have a cup of your strongest Java please? Give the lads a round of top ups with cigars as well if you don't mind.......thank you kindly. Here's something for yourself too..
CMSTPP, that is some nice looking models you have there (turning into a lighter shade of green). Am thinking about getting that Milwaukee station at some point, whenever my "bank" allowes me to. Michael, on my best friends back in Sweden has I think 60+ Erie, Lackawanna and Erie-Lackawanna locomotives in H0.
Nice looking layout mate!
Tom, that is some serious looking T-shirts mate... I think that I'll just sit and watch this years tournament and maybe give a few....."what the do you call that?! You throw like a sissy! My dog throws better than that!! I take it that you'll consume a fair bit of slightly stronger stuff to improve on aming and maket it more interesting, yeah?
DD1, nae worries mate. We'll see you when we see you. I'll keep a pint ready for you.....
Fergmiester, niiiice pics mate! Hope to see more from you.....
Tom, G&D was a very beautiful layout, I remember seeing it on the telly as a child.... Let me get your next round chief.
CMSTPP, so THAT is what you're interested in....I thought that was something but I could for my life not put my finger on it... Good luck with you job mate . Nowadays I wish that I'd followed up on my talks with the D&H. Then I might have been in the US working for one of favorite railroads.... Oh well....
pwolfe, THAT is some nice looking layout mate!! MORE pics please.... As for my friends back in my old country who hope that I'll move back at some point want to build a layout, we've decided to (or I) builda few of the Milwaukee Road's trestles on it. We'll see what happens, they're looking for a place to build right now....
marthastrainyard, it sure was mate.... They used to have two engines, 905 and 1182. There used also to be a few other societies out and running with all kind of steamers... We were kind of surprised too, not being more late than we were....
EricX2000, aaaah those V1 and V3.... My dad never really liked them for some odd reason. Thought that the station looked familiar, my grandparents used to live there.
Looking forward to more pics from you mate....
Hmmm....no sign of Da...Da....Da Larsman yet, I think that I'll get a nice dram ready for him when he shows up.....pardon me barkeep....
Have a nice day everybody and take care...
Thursday in mid-continent USA ‘n time to draw a mugga Joe, grab a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n then order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
OKTOBERFEST at "Our" Place begins Saturday, October 6th at Noon!
Rendezvous Email sent to all participants on Wednesday . . .
DART's Challenge ' Grudge Match Shirt Selections are DUE!! Send me an E-mail with your THREE choices!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative on Wednesday afternoon)
Wednesday - Oct 3rd:
James (CMSTPP) at 3:10 PM: A second visit in the same day!
I make no claim to being "all knowledgeable regarding what should or shouldn't be the objective for one's model railroad. For me, it's simply to enjoy that which I've constructed, purchased ‘n LAYED OUT! <ergo: layout!> Pretty simple stuff, eh Having fun is the bottom line for me.
I find it awfully difficult to get wrapped around the axle over any of the stuff we call "fun" or "diversions" when the problems of this old world are so REAL, that at times it seems such a waste of energy to be "playing" when . . . . In ancient Rome it was said Emperor Nero fiddled while the city burned.
Not much more to say other than enjoy what you have while you have it.
Appreciate the visit!
Pete (pwolfe) at 3:30 PM & 3:32 PM: Appears you're making an effort to get back to a mid to late afternoon "slot," which really will help out ‘round here. Although today we've had a most unusual, but welcome, turn out.
Only YOU would be concerned about what brand ‘n type of beer will be served at The Second Class Saloon during our Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match! <geesh>
I changed the dates - my bad - apparently was looking at the wrong month, but good ole Eagle Eye caught it. Thanx!! BUT . . . . oh never mind!
Looking at those model RR fotos from SDiego makes me want to revisit Balboa Park! <sweet> BUT don't tell me you screwed up <again> with the camera!!!! <yikes> I mean <yikes> Lost, lost - helplessly lost <pictures that is!> Reminds me very much of "whatever happened" to my fotos during the first night aboard the eastbound "Ocean" - very puzzling. Did YOU happen to touch my camera????? Hmmmmmmmm.
Just a point: I didn't "do" a thing to take credit for anything that made the world any better or worse during my 32 year career. However, I surely knew <and still do> what obligations to my country entail. That's what the gist of my "rant" was all about . . .
Some definitive WORD: Bar Chandler IS responsible for all beer, wine ‘n spirits - PERIOD. What goes up to the Penthouse Suite is Management responsibility. If the Proprietor or Manager depletes the stock - the Bar Chandler arranges for replenishment. Pretty straight forward, eh Hope you "got it," otherwise off you go to Molly Throttlebottom's Adult Learning Center ‘n Mud Wrestling Emporium! <uh oh>
Also, is there any OTHER way to open a bottle of spirits
Rendezvous Email sent your way on Wednesday . . .
Thanx for the chat, Pix ‘n round!
Per (marthastrainyard) at 7:52 PM: It's a loooooooong story regarding CM3 I'm NOT Shane which goes back BEFORE you ever heard of this joint. You didn't miss a thing - but here's the Cliff Notes: (1) coalminer3 didn't have "much" of a profile on the Forums (2) In absence of responses to repeated attempts to "find out" his real name - or nickname - or even initials - the Proprietor <that's Moi> anointed him CM3 <figure it out!!) It stuck. Then we started a "thing" about maybe his real name is "Shane" <as in the Allan Ladd movie from way back when> A few of us picked up on it ‘n we dubbed him Shane. Of course, he denied THAT - ‘n now it's CM3 I'm NOT Shane! <get it??> <phew.
The mere fact that I remember all of this nonsense is cause for ALARM! <uh oh>
You are correct, Sir - foothills is far more descriptive. However, they ARE the foothills of mountains! <grin> There are people who look at the mountains in SoCal ‘n say, "Them thar are hills!" It's all in the eye of the onlooker, eh Mt. McKinley IS a mountain - Poway sits atop a knoll by comparison! <grin>
All sorts of "definitions" regarding ship vs boat. Was told to me back when Moby Dick was a minnow that a boat is that which can be carried aboard a ship! That "worked" for me for many years . . .
Leon, I think I'll have some Blackberry Pancakes! With lots of whipped cream! Sounds good!
Not much to report today. I will start my dart training at the rehab next week. That will be a perfect way to get in shape!
Tom – Oregon is a place where I would like to live. I love the forest. Back in the old country I used to live in a house in the middle of the forest. Had moose, deer, foxes, badgers, bobcats around the house all the time. The picture shows arrival to a city about 65 miles southwest of Stockholm (southbound train). The picture is taken from a Class Rc1 (#1018) electric. We will be ready when it is time for the 2007 2nd Annual Darts Challenge ‘n Grudge Match.I agree with you 100% when I read your thoughts about serving your country! I din’t spend that long time in the military but I learned a lot. I was a different (better) man when I got out of the service than before.CM3 – I noticed that the gas price went down in St. Louis and now in your neighborhood. I would say it is our turn for reduced prices now! JanOlov – T21, V3 and Ub/Ud could push and pull a lot of heavy cars. Passenger car switching i the Hagalund depot is very heavy and with 18-20 cars in the hook you’ll notice it. But it worked. The picture shows Nyköping C. Interesting site about John Allen’s Gorre and Daphetid Railroad!Lars – You were right! The Snakes won tonight! I did not watch the entire game but saw parts of it. Very nice models! I have never seen DB Class 10 before.I saw we are on the same team!! Let’s beat them up!!James – Diesel-hydraulic means it does not have any generator or any electric traction motors. The engine is connected to a hydraulic transmission with two speeds, 50 km/h and 80 km/h (31 and 50 mph). You can shift only at standstill. When used for switching it is geared for 50 km/h. Nice photos of your new loco and your layout! The birthday cake doesn’t look bad either!! Covered with chocolate!! Ron – I’ll post that drawing I mentioned tomorrow. I’ll see what else I can get hold of. I guess you will need photos of everything!Fergie – Very nice layout! I would love to see much more!Pete – A V3 switcher is in the picture below. They were small but could pull a lot. They were built in Germany shortly after WW II. I am sure that museum locomotive was burning oil. The water tower was not for steam locomotives. It must have used for a plant of some kind. Thanks for the pictures of the model railroad in San Diego. I have to find my pictures from the same place. Per – I checked my notes, the few times I operated #109 all happened in 1976 so it was the mid 70’s. I don’t have any date for when it was retired and sent to the museum. The anniversary in Stockholm was the 125th Anniversary 1981. Rc electrics have DC traction motors.
Class V3 switcher. Built 1952. Photo: Hans Polanik.
Good Evening everybody present! Leon, please a round for everybody, some coins for the juke box, and I want to try one of those Tuis, please.
Tom, Ja, den Oktoberfest is bald wieder hier, nicht war? And that’s about as much as I remember of the German language. The Oktoberfest has already started at our local German restaurant here in Plano, Yum! But they don’t have the fancy bands that you have managed to get for Our Place! Now, why is it that every German restaurant I’ve been to has an LGB train running around the place?
In other news, the recently appointed A.R.I. is back again. I hope to be able to drop in 1-2 times a week this fall until things slow down at work. I don’t want to miss any of the conversation around the bar, it is really enlightening and interesting. Every week I learn something new!
Both my wife and I have Alaska pretty high up on the list of places to visit; right up there with a cross-Canada trip. We’ll see how the retirement funds develop and how soon we can get going. I can fully see your reasons for wanting to live up there. There is something special with the vastness of the country and the views you get. It’s hard to find anywhere else. It is dark in the winter, but on the other hand, the summers are lighter. But your suggested combination: Winter in San Diego and summer in Alaska, that’ll be something!
I wouldn’t put Poway in the mountains of San Diego County; foothills – yes. It’s not too far from the coast with a few hills if I remember correctly. Julian, on the other hand, IS in the mountains. But there are no train tracks there.
Nice ads. There is that “Advance” again. This time in combination with the Zephyr. I guess I should have tried to study MoPac, KCS (and the Katy) a little bit more while I was here in Dallas, but I’m going to continue reading up on the SP and SF trains instead.
Eric, Congratulations to your rehab test! Great news!
You have some very nice pictures from your friend Hans! See if you can’t trick him into sending some of his models as well.
What a coincidence that you show Du 109, that’s the same engine I referred to a while back as being in the museum “down south”. I wonder when it got there since you operated it in the late 70’s. Was the original Ra that was operating last year, a museum piece, or did SJ keep it all these years like that? And you are right, the double decker is UGLY! It’s even uglier than the first double decker they had in the 70’s on BKB. You showed the F class at the 150th anniversary and that leads to the question, what anniversary was it that SJ celebrated in the late 70’s with a big parade of trains outside of Stockholm?
Interesting article about AC/DC traction, thanks! Do the RC class engines qualify as DC? They have some fancy electronics in them to rectify the overhead current to DC.
Dave (West Coast S), so I wasn’t dreaming about the San Diego depot. It’s too bad they shortened it; it looked so nice in the old pictures. But the interior is still great!
Yes, there was a lot of empty land around the Sacramento shops when I was there. Hopefully they haven’t torn down any more buildings, but as I mentioned, I think I saw a display in the museum where they showed their expansion on to that piece of land.
Al, Boy, was I wrong about Tui. Oh well, now I know. Thanks for the link to Tui (is that a real tour guide they show on the site) and to the Wikipedia about the Geordies. As I said to Tom, this is a place where you learn something new every week!
Great history notes on the Pacific! Now I know where the name came from.
James (CMSTPP), You know, even though I have every little piece of my MR stuff down in an inventory, I always forget to bring it to the train shows. In my case that means I’m not buying anything since I don’t want to risk to get duplicates (I have too many already!)
Speaking of Diesel-hydraulics, weren’t the Krauss-Maffei (sp?) diesels, that DRGW and SP bought a couple of, also Diesel-hydraulic, I think they were, but I am almost only guessing here.
Nice cake! I bet it tasted really good!
Fergie, I’m glad you made it back on one shaft (and propeller). It’s a pretty big “boat” you have there. Is it a ship or a boat? What I learned in the Navy was that if there is a crew stationed on the vessel, it’s a ship, otherwise a boat. That’s my recollection of the Swedish definition.
Impressive layout you have! I would like to see more pictures eventually.
Jan Olov, it must have been a really interesting trip on Inlandsbanan. Glad you made it with as little delay as you did. I checked the web site you referenced, but it does not mention any steam engines although there is a picture of one. What’s up with that?
Really nice ads for the Hiawatha. Is that an Eire-built engine in those ads? (And I don’t think the Captain will allow you to carry over a pic to tomorrow)
Thanks for the link to the GD site! I bought the CD they brought out but the site is just as good. I was SOO close to see the GD in real life back in 66 when I was in San Francisco but I wasn’t sure if my finances would allow a side trip to Monterrey so I had to skip it. But I got to talk to John Allen on the phone, at least.
Lars (Lovedomes), Sorry to hear about the troubles on the home front. I sincerely hope that it all turns out well for you and your f
Hi Gents!
Correction made to the DATES for the Dart's Challenge 'n Grudge Match! Thanx - Pete!
And while you're at it:
Shirts: As with last year, we'll have 5 shirts for the teams ‘n alternate.SEND ME AN E-MAIL with your selection(s) 1st choice - 2nd choice - 3rd choice!
Shirts: As with last year, we'll have 5 shirts for the teams ‘n alternate.
SEND ME AN E-MAIL with your selection(s) 1st choice - 2nd choice - 3rd choice!
See ya!
Tom
Another Bathams, then RUTH.
JAMES Just caught your post.Glad to hear you are going to work for a railroad.
I will look forward to the Midland Continental article. Many thanks..
Pete
A Pint of Bathams please RUTH and a round for all the fine models on display to day.
RON Real glad you are enjoying Our Place it is real good to have you at the bar.
I am still trying to think of the name of that distillery which had geese protecting it in Scotland.
Yes the LMS ‘Turbomotive' was quite successful. It was usually used on the London to Liverpool run and an old engine driver told me it was the favorite loco of the LMS Top-Link driver Laurie Earl. It had a very short career as a conventional locomotive as it was wrecked in the Harrow and Wealdstone bad accident in 1952.It was fitted with a ‘Duchess' class boiler but with the Princess based frame. Its BR number was 46202 and she was named Princess Anne. I cannot recall reading any thing about her service as 46202.
Great words for James
ERIC Have you any photos of the V3 switchers.
I am pretty sure #10 was an oil burner, although I must admit I took it for granted it was and did not check. I talked to the guide at Jamestown and he explained that oil was so much cheaper than coal in California so steam engines were oil fired from an early date.
Also seeing how dry it was out there I don't think a coal-fired engine would be allowed,
It would be good to hear from PER or DAVE about this
Thanks for the photo from the footplate, is that a water tower for steam locos on the right
CM3 Glad you liked the photos.
It is good to hear they restored the station at Covington, it seems that historic buildings are being looked after and saved better now, compared to the 1960s
JAN I believe was a saying in Britain when a steam locos firebox had the coal fused to the firebars that is was ‘Clinkered up'
I too would like to have traveled the Milwaukee Road from Chicago to Seattle. I wonder what locomotives would have hauled the train, while the electrics were still working in the later days of the train
Glad you liked the photos.
Many thanks for the link to those models on the Gorre and Daphetid Railroad
JAMES As you say it is a pity the Midland and Colorado did not survive until today, as it would have been busy now. There must be a lot a lines, on both sides of the Atlantic, that were ripped up in the 1950s and 60s that would be very useful today
I was lucky, later on in the week the gray diesel was brought out of the shed to do some air tests on the museums coaches and I was there. It was good to see the loco working, I have a couple of photos I will put at the bar in a few days.
Many thanks for the great photos of your models. Glad the new loco is working real well, and that looks a great cake, don't suppose there is any left for us at the bar.
LARS You caught me, the line "It is safest in bed in a thunderstorm" works sometimes
Many thanks for those very well detailed Austrian and German models. I once had a Trix set, of a breakdown train; I have tried looking but can't find a reference to it on the web.
FERGIE Sardines with beans, not something I have tried,but beans on toast were a staple diet of mine.
Many thanks for the photos of those great locomotives and your layout, great photo of the double header.
TOM Of course you were missed yesterday afternoon, but you deserve an afternoon off now and then.
The only trouble with maintaining the Wine and Spirit inventory is that the good stuff seems to disappear, rather rapidly, in the direction of the Manager's private bar. We don't sell much spirits since one of the Track Gang grabbed a bottle of whisky pulled the cork out with his teeth, spat it out and it hit LEON.
Yes H&H were trained by NICK to pilot the Zeppelin many moons a go n
G-day Tom and all present!!
Ruth- Looking good this afternoon. I know, I'm in for a second round, so lets see. I think I will go with a coffee and a turkey sandwich to top that off.. Thanks
Tom- I think I will watch this game. It looks interesting. I wonder who will win this one.... BTW- Nice shirts. If I were to choose one, it would be #2. I really like that one.. A layout your able to have fun is the kind of layout I like. That's the part about modeling I have always liked. You can choose the kind you like, the one that makes you happy. That's what's going to make this hobby so successful.
DD1- When it comes to the Milwaukee Road I know a lot about it... I also model it... wait, is that not evident??? But unfortunately my layout is going to be ripped out here in the next couple of weeks. I am actually going to be moving. I hope to be getting a job in Southern Minnesota on a small shortline called, The Twin Cities and Western. I need to take a couple of classes before going ahead and getting a job with this railroad. But that doesn't mean I am going to forget this place. No way!!!!
Thanks for the compliments.
Fergie- I am impressed with your layout!!!! I do recognize a steam locomotive. The DM&IR 2-10-2. I have a friend who owns one of those and it's been at my house for about 4 months now. It is a nice loco. Thanks for all of your great photos. I enjoyed them.
Pete- I have found an article on the Midland Continental in my model railroader magazine. I will copy it and send it to you.
Happy railroading
James
Thought I'd catch up on the remarks before things get totally out of hand for me. Nice to see so much activity!!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:05 AM: An early arrival - haven't seen that for awhile! But when you're trying to please us here at the bar - AND - those who pay you, well, "we takes what we gets"!!
Amazing disparity in petrol prices betwixt here ‘n there!
Have been taping the episodes of "The War" - we prefer viewing ‘em at our leisure rather than be forced to give up the time at perhaps inopportune times. Anyway, thus far we've viewed the first two - not bad. To say the film maker is a genius at his trade is indeed an understatement . . .
Let me digress to the times we're in: For an assortment reasons, I've been thinking about just how "different" things are today from when I was a young man. Sure - that was "then" - but the memories are still with me and I lived through those times.
At age 18 (1956) I had two choices - get drafted or enlist. Pretty simple. No staying at home playing with trains for me, or having mom ‘n pop to pay the freight, etc. Go in the service or go to jail. Yes - that's pretty descriptive of what could've happened to me.
We had all kinds of "personalities" in the service from all corners of the nation - but for my outfit - ALL with at least a high school diploma. USCG didn't accept anything less - no such thing as "equivalencies" in those times. Anyway, once we were sent to the 13 weeks of boot camp - heads cleanly shaven - uniforms thrust at us - ‘n orders barked from morning ‘til night - well, it was a rather abrupt CHANGE for all of us. We entered adulthood pretty quickly ‘n smartly I should add. I think this nation has lost FOREVER the absolute best socialization for American men. Women I can't speak for them - for I didn't grow up as one! <grin> I KNOW what worked for me and the military surely did.
Today, most of our universities ‘n high schools won't let military recruiters on their premises. And we have people in our society who think that the options young people have for their futures DOES NOT INCLUDE service to their country within the military. I find that most unsettling AND appalling.
End of my ramblings - just some thoughts that don't amount to much in these days <daze> ‘n times when it seems to me that far too many of us have no understanding or experience at what service to the country really should be.
Yeah - I just broke my "house rule" - so I'll pay the price! Boris, break out the "good stuff" ‘n pour ‘em all a DOUBLE. I'm going outback to scream at the moon (visible today in daylight)!!
Email en route with Rendezvous ‘stuff' . . .
Thanx for the visit, round ‘n quarters!
Jan (JanOlov) at 8:32 AM & 10:37 AM: As our Manager so aptly put it - NO! Can't have the bottle of whisky back. <grin> It's ours ‘n we're gonna consume it - every fine drop!
Can only imagine having such a layout as that depicted within the URL you provided! Also fine looking streamlined "shrouded" steamer . . .
Visits, "top ups," et al always appreciated!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:04 AM: Your Email has been received ‘n responded to - thanx! I will say this:
Many, many thanx for that fine compilation you put together for our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! While it appears that your efforts either weren't viewed by all - by chance or choice - I appreciate the effort!
Round, visit ‘n chat always welcome!
James (CMSTPP) at 11:42 AM: Figured we'd get some OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains "stuff" from our Resident Duluth Connection and you didn't disappoint.
My Can-Am HO layout represents the final model railroad major effort for this lifetime. It was conceived over a long time, put together in less than 18-months, which included the construction of the finished basement AROUND the finished layout! Yeah, just a bit backwards . . . Enjoyed every hour of the labor ‘n in spite of wanting to change this or that - or rip out a section here ‘n there - it IS the layout I've always wanted. Just took me quite a long time getting there . . . so you at the tender age of 19, well - you've got all kinds of time.
Inclusive Posts are ALWAYS appreciated at this bar ‘n yours continue to meet our highest expectations!
GoooooooD Aaafffffternoooon TOM!
Can i get a feed of Sardines on toast with beans and homefries on the side? nudge nudge
I can see Captain Tom issuing orders to the Master of Arms restricting my access to this fine dining establishment. Wouldn't be the first time I've been excomunicated!
Anyway we're still here undergoing repairs so I'll keep you posted.
As always
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
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