"Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment!

[siberianmo]

Now Arriving on Track #1

Back in the Day - Number Eight

The Broadway Limited of the Pennsylvania Railroad

 

 

The Broadway Limited was the Pennsylvania Railroad's (PRR) premier named passenger train, operating one train daily in either direction between New York (or Washington, D.C.) and Chicago. The Broadway ran from 1912 (although its train Nos. 28 and 29 operated from 1902 as the Pennsylvania Special) and outlasted the Pennsylvania Railroad, operating under Amtrak until 1995. The name referred not to Broadway in Manhattan, but rather to the "broad way" of the Pennsylvania Railroad's four-track right of way along a large portion of the route. <from: wikipedia.com>

 

The all-Pullman Broadway Limited cruises through Metuchen, New Jersey in the Summer of 1961. <Use authorized by trainweb.com>

 

On June 15,1938, the Broadway Limited was completely re-equipped with lightweight steel cars to replace its heavyweight steel cars. This was the same date that new, streamlined equipment made its debut on rival New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited."

The new, streamlined equipment traversed the 900.7 miles between New York and Chicago in 16 hours: the same timing as the New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited." Though the Pennsylvania's route was 60 miles shorter, slower speeds across the Allegheny Mountains between Altoona and Pittsburgh, PA equalized the two trains' times. <from: wikipedia.com>

 

 

 

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Enjoy!

Tom

Missed any

#1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102

#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103

#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116

#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126

#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126

#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133

#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140

 

[LoveDomes]

Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!

Ruth my deAH, you are looking radiant <as usual> on this rather gloomy, cold ‘n wet day where I'm at . . . but inside this place, why it's all sunshine! <blush>

JINTS WON! JINTS WON! JINTS WON! Looks like they got their act together, although I'm still not sure about Eli ‘n some of the others, but we're leading the pack for a wild card berth!

Set ‘em up on me - Boris ring the bell! And let's get those crittAHs fed . . . Ruth, I'll take a mugga Joe with a "BK splash" ‘n the change is for you!

Got a couple of really interesting movies at the Emporium . . . the "Indy" is one that I've gotta see again. I think that was originally made for TV. Anyway, the book is really riveting ‘n of course the entire story something all Americans should read ‘n take to heart. How quickly time seems to place those memories into a fog bank.

Top shelf work by Da Bossman on Saturday - as always!

Really a busy Sunday for a joint that's supposed to be CLOSED on SUNDAY! Yeah, I know - I started all of this some months back, but what the heck. Doesn't mean that the guys who want to take off a day - can't. For the rest, slipping messages through the mail slots "works" - so bring ‘em on!

Nice to see the support coming in from Jan - Rob ‘n Ron . . .

On the home front - we're going down to the Keys for the wintAH . . . planning on leaving before New Years ‘n staying at the new place until April. That's the plan the Mrs. has put forth for a vote. I get one vote, she gets twelve. Funny how that works, huh <grin> Our good friends, Phil ‘n his Mrs. are already down there, so we're looking forward to resuming the good times we had earlier this year. <minus the Super Bowl of course!>

 

So, what's to do right now other than put up some covAHs from the Larsman Mobile!

Missouri - Kansas - Texas Lines in Color

Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis in Color

  

Frisco/Katy Color Guide to Freight Equipment

Katy Southwest - Steam and Diesel Power Pictorial

Miss Katy in the Lone Star State - Vol One

 

Ruth, I'll be waiting for you on your break to take care of those <ahem> admin matters! <blush>

 

Until the next time!

Lars

[JanOlov]

Greetings Tom and gentlemen....

Barkeep....may I please have a strong black Java....and the usual top up with cigars for the lads....here's a few $$$$$, should keep them going throughout today. Whatever that's left at closing you can keep. Oh btw...remember to hand the boys those bottles down there please...a wee treat.

$$$$ for the cigarbox and Mr Wurlitzer....

Trolleyboy and DD1, that is some odd looking machinery, odd but interesting....

[siberianmo]

<"Our" Place Christmas Holiday Train>

A smile to begin the week!

The only reason I need these gloves is ‘cause of my hands.

<A Yogi-ism!>

G'day Gents!

Monday has rolled ‘round once again - so before trudging off to the job site, grab a stool ‘n enjoy a bit o' breakfast here at the Saloon by the Siding. Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh. And our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are ready to go . . .

Comments from the Proprietor:

Wonder who will make the 3,000^th Post at the bar A CONTEST! Cite the date AND the person who will make that memorable Post . . . So let's see who can come up with the answer!

CONTEST CLOSES TODAY at NOON!

Prize will be something special . . . but you gotta play to know! <grin>

Lars sez: Dec 7^th (Tom)

Rob sez:  Dec 24^th (Lars)

Pete sez: Dec 9^th (Lars)

Eric sez: Dec 13^th (CM3)

Fergie sez: Dec 16^th (???) <half an entry!>

CM3 Shane sez: Dec 12^th (Lars)

Allan sez: Dec 11^th (Tom)

Jan sez Dec 13^th (Eric)

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)

Saturday - Dec 1^st:

Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:03 AM: Nice touch with those "toppers" of mine from Pages Past!

 

Pete (pwolfe) at 1:57 PM: An early Saturday PM visit from our Bar Chandler!

One aspect of the hiking ‘n biking lobby that never gets much "press" is the liability issue IF there's to be an active railroad adjacent to the paths . . . No, once those paths get put in bid fair well to the railroad right-of-way for it's gone-ZO!

The way things are progressing with all of my "wishes" to travel here ‘n there, getting to the UK ‘n experiencing the "chunnel" may just not happen. But I'd like to take that trip to Paris ‘n return - just to "do it."

Sometimes the speed of a train can put a damper on the fun of traveling on the rails. As we've both experienced - sitting on sidings is hardly fun - but moving along at a decent "clip" is what it's all about. Zooming is another thing, entirely - methinks. What I'm saying is there are those who want to get there, and then there are those who just enjoy the experience of getting there. I'm in the latter category!

Pete if I were you I'd keep my "day job" - as a prank-puller, welllllllllllllllll . . . .

Those fotos from Germany that your Mate <Alan> too supplemented the German "non-theme" quite well!

Thanx for the inclusive Post ‘n round!

 

Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:34 PM ‘n 11:40 PM: Always better late than never . . . two submissions from our Resident Ontario Connection!

Snow in your part of the world, eh Down here we were in the 60s (F) <again> with another day expected to be pretty much the same. "They" say there's a cold front moving in, but . . . Juneau ‘n I are ready for the white stuff!

I remember those ONR fotos ‘n it's good to view ‘em again - that's why we have Encore! Saturdays . . .

Yeah, at this time of year we've got all the critters runnin'

[trolleyboy]

Here's a couple pictures to wind out the broadcast day at the ole saloon by the siding.

In continuing the vein of Ron's odd stuff here's a couple shots of the weird and wacky from Ontario's electric golden age.

A couple shots of the Sudbury and Coppercliffs RR's work car.

The Niagara St Catharines and Toronto's rotary snowplow #18

enjoy  Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening folks , Figured that Id slip in the back way ( Boris showed me the way in , someone had to help him carry in his latest purchases ) Anywho I'll leave a 20 for some morning eye openners for the crew.

Per-Wow sir quite the spread of photo's for a sunday ( kinda like old times at the original thread ) Some nice choices of classic power 'n' varnish sir I don't have the exact numbers handy, but Vancouvers trolley system was a mixture some city lines but they also operated a couple interurban districts as well. A smaller version of the Pacific Electric in California. early 50's they called it quits and replaced the PCC's used then with at first electric trolley buses , then regular buses , now I understand the trolley buses are back on a couple routes as well as some private right of way electric MU cars full circle. In it's heyday teh CVancouver system was almost as extensive as Toronto's or Montreal's surface routes. If you go to the old bar thread I did a small piece on it. It was on page 225 of the old thread .

 As to question 2 honestly I don't know,I'd guess somewhere in teh range of 50-100 Alco / MLW's still run up here, though all are on regionals , shortlines or industrial lines. None of teh big railroads roster them anymore.

Lars-A couple nice steam pics to tide us over as it were,hopefully Boris and I moving in his "new friends" didn't disturb your relaxation up in the managers suit.

Ron-Nice shots of some German oddities, one just has to love oddball work equipment.I'm not an expert,but I think with the FL9's the third rail pick-up fed right into the main traction motors and gen sets on the engines,so yes the diesel would idle. Someone can correct me if I'm massivly off base.

Rob

[Anonymous]

   I never realized that diesel-electrics were equipped with third rail pickups, naturally to operate in underground tunnels like in NYC and Philadelphia. Question: Did they shut down the diesel when going through a tunnel, or just idle it? Was the transfer from diesel-generator to third rail automatic as in ABT(automatic bus transfer), or MBT(manual)?

   I watched a DVD the other night of "Mr. Bean's Holiday". It was a terribly stupid movie, but there were some very nice shots of the French ICE trains. Mr. Bean of course is played by Rowan Atkinson, who is a sillier Jacque Tati wan-a-be. Like Jacque Tati, Mr. Bean is involved in all kinds of misadventures most of his own doing. He is funny, but a bit too juvenal for adult tastes.

   Many thanks to all who have posted those great  pictures. I enjoyed them all. For those who have a taste for the unusual, here are a few pictures I've found:

   All these are in the museum in Munich. The first and fourth fotos are of a switcher (shunter). The second is of a fireless boiler. The third is of a 3 phase boxcab and the last is of a bus/train hybrid. Hope you like them. Ron

[JanOlov]

Greetings Tom and gentlemen....

Just some more pics to enjoy with your Monday morning coffee....

View of Chesapeake and Ohio steam locomotive 4-6-4 with a railroad post office car and passenger coaches in the yards in Columbus, Ohio. A double-header freight train and a steel bridge are in the distance. Robert W. Richardson

View of Norfolk and Western Railway Company 2-8-8-2 mallet locomotive, #2088 and freight cars near a passenger platform and signal tower in Circleville (Pickaway County), Ohio. A man in a suit walks in the railroad yard. Shows automobiles and commercial buildings. Robert W. Richardson

Soldier Summit, Utah, is a Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad terminal/switch yard covered in snow. Locomotives, freight and passenger cars, and cabooses are on the tracks, and men work picking ice from the switches. Passengers emerge at the depot; employee houses dot the hill to the side. George L. Beam

Workers tend to a derailed "Burlington Route" passenger train at Union Station in Denver, Colorado. Shows train tracks and canopy shelters; building sign reads: "Meadow Gold Butter." Harry M. Rhoads.

View of the Union Pacific Railroad roundhouse in Rawlins (Carbon County), Wyoming; shows locomotives, trains, a turntable, and shops. The town and snow dotted hills are in the distance. Lucius Beebe.

View of Denver Tramway Company North Division car barn at West 30th (Thirtieth) Avenue and Gallup Street (later Zuni Street), Denver, Colorado; shows electric street railway cars, stalls, and men in uniforms or coveralls. Charles L. McClure.

Credit: photoswest

[JanOlov]

Greetings Tom and gentlemen....

Trestles....

View of a Florence and Cripple Creek Railroad trestle in Phantom Canyon (Fremont or Teller County), Colorado; shows granite cliffs, water barrels, and mile marker: "19D." Photo by: unknown.

Florence and Cripple Creek Railroad narrow gauge track in Phantom Canyon, Teller County, Colorado, spans a trestle by Eightmile Creek; a locomotive is in the distance. Photo by: L. C. McClure.

View from Point Sublime on Cripple Creek Short Line towards the Plains with Broadmoor Hotel and Casino, Cheyenne Lake and Trianon (later called Claremont, C.A. Baldwin's residence) in Colorado Springs, Colorado; wooden trestle, foreground; Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek District Railway. Photo by: L.C. McClure.

Ophir Loop, a railroad trestle of the Rio Grande Southern Railroad in southwestern Colorado, winds around a rocky hillside. Portions of the track are supported by wood posts. Photo by:  Jesse L. Nusbaum.

Freight, northbound, on the Rio Grande Southern; 24 cars, 20 helping. Photographed: on trestle near Franklin, Colo., September 6, 1941. Photo by: Otto Perry.

Rocky Mountain Railroad Club excursion crossing high trestle; 6 cars. Photographed: above Ophir, Colo., September 2, 1951. Photo by: Otto Perry.

Credit: All above, Photoswest.

[LoveDomes]

Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers waitin' for the bAH to open!

Yeah, I know it's SUNDAY ‘n we're CLOSED up tighter than a tick <as our Cap'n would say!> but I've got the key <Manager's privilege> so let's see what I can come up with to help things along ‘round here!

Boris ‘n Leon are playing with the crittAHs, after having fed them their Sunday breakfast - Artie got his field mouse <ugh>, Awk the tray ‘o seeds, Frostbite the bucket o' ice cubes, Tex the saucer o' brine ‘n Juneau a chew bone. Boris found his LARGE jar of PPF ‘n Leon made himself a snout omlet! <yikes>

Looks like the CONTEST caught on - with short notice we've gotten a bunch to participate! NevAH will understand those who just can't find it within themselves to have a little fun - as if something is really at stake. <geesh> Was like this before with the other crew 'n for whatever the reason, still lingers on . . . such is life in the fast lane, huh <as our Cap'n would say!>

A rather slow day at the bAH on Saturday with a continuing noticeable absences from our friend Jan ovAH in Scotland - and Eric in Phoenix too! But Pete ‘n Rob helped to keep things movin' as did our Cap'n with contributions of the varied kind.

I just saw Jan's post - so he's still a member of the "club"! Yeah, I put those books "out there" for guys like you to purchase each ‘n every one! <laff> What a library a guy could have with those, huh Glad you are enjoying ‘em . . .

Cap'n Tom's Encore was a winnAH - really liked the Via Rail LRC material and the book report on Passing Trains <a good read>!

I recall when Cap'n Tom was putting together the May Rendezvous for St. Louis he kept asking about who wanted to attend. Seems to me both Rob ‘n I had expressed interest in going up to the Exporail museum back then. Neither did. So chalk it up to missed opportunities - life is full of ‘em!

Sorry to say that photo of Tom isn't the best to put up - not very much like the way he looks in the others I've seen. Kinda looks caught off guard. I think Wolfman is gettign even for that <snoozing> photo Tom put up!

One day I'm just gonna have to drag my sorry butt up to Quebec to see all of those locos, cars ‘n "stuff"! Speaking French isn't an issue - I'll just respond in Norwegian! <grin>

My Jints are in ChiTown later this afternoon ‘n I expect it to be a brawl in the first degree. Two ruff ‘n tumble teams ready to rumble. Just hope my guys use a bit of caution when it comes to penalties. Jints drop this one ‘n we can start looking at 2008 . . .

I see MY Rangers finally got their act together after a dismal start I the NHL . . . they are atop their Atlantic Division in the East with 32 points. Islanders are having problems though . . . as are the Knicks in the NBA. I'm beginning to "feel" like it's time for HOCKEY!

Some good college football games last night ‘n upsets too. I'm not a huge follower of the college teams, but get interested at this time of yeAH. Looks like the TigABs of Mizzou got dropped as did the MinAHs of West Virginia. For those keeping track of all this, wondAH what the bowl makeup is to be

Bring back the good ole days of 4 bowls on New Year's Day - Orange - Sugar - Cotton ‘n Rose (with NO prefixes to ‘em either!> I liked it bettAH back then. Was far less complicated for the likes of me.

Ok, time for a little something then I'm gonna have to square away things ‘round here. Kitchen needs a good cleaning ‘n from the looks of the pool room, some repair too! <geesh> What do those guys DO back there on Friday ‘n Saturday nights <arrrrrrrgggggghhhhh>

 

 

From the Larsman Mobile . . . .

B&O EM1 2-8-8-4 (courtesy: Cincinnati Railroad Club collection)

CN #6071 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)

MP #5341 4-8-2 (from: yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Harold Van Horne)

IC 2-8-4 #8049 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) Photo: Paul Eilenburger

CP - 4-4-0 #136 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com - photo: Paul Eilenberger collection)

[JanOlov]

Greetings Tom and gentlemen.... 

Tailend Charlies....

 

Room-observation-sleeping car "American Milemaster". Photographed at the New York World's Fair, August 4, 1939.

"City of Los Angeles"; rear view shows observation-lounge car "Sun Valley". Photographed leaving Cheyenne, Wyo., February 13, 1938.

"Coconino," observation lounge car on "The Chief". Photographed: at La Junta, Colo., February 27, 1938.

Observation car, Nokomis; Beaver-Tail. Photographed in Chicago, Ill., August 6, 1937.

Observation car "California republic" on the 49er. Photographed: at Cheyenne, Wyo., July 18, 1937.

Observation car, Pikes Peak, on Denver-Kansas City Rocket. Photographed: Denver, Colo., November 25, 1937.

Credit: All above, Otto Perry and Photoswest

See you around the corner....

[JanOlov]

Greetings Tom and gentlemen....

First of all, my apologies for my AWOL yesterday, was a bit beside me...slept 14 hours straight I think it was....Friday to Saturday.... So I felt a tiny bit all day.

So I've taken it upon myself to keep things running smoothly today....

I've also hidden a few good quailty single malts, vodkas, gins, rums and tequilas to make this disappear into hour huge archive system....

pwolfe, 11-28-2007, 10:09 PM: 2.900 post already? That was fast...Well, time travel fast when you have a good time they say....

This cold that I'm tampering with won't go away or break out so that it's over and done with....moooaan!

Your pics looks mighty good to me mate.

DD1, 11-29-2007, 2:53 AM: Nice stamps! I wonder if unused railroad stamps of early 20th Century Limited and other famous trains are worth anything today?

EricX2000, 11-29-2007, 5:10 AM: Now here's a sight for sore eyes... Glad to see you again Eric. Sorry to hear that you had to spend time in hospital... I hope that all goes well for you having a few things removed...Speedy recovery and all that matey!

Nice pic!

Tom, 11-29-2007, 11:45 AM: Anything to make things easy....been doing a bit of catching up these last few days. Probably will continue up until X-mas and Hogmanay..... I'll try to stop by as often as possible though...

Thanks for the info on #50... Appreciated!

Da Larsman, 11-29-2007, 3:59 PM: Always enjoy your covers mate, gives ideas to future purchases, like Chesapeake & Ohio, Coal and Color....keep 'em coming!

DD1,  11-29-2007, 4:02 PM: Always enjoy your posts, informative and when they're supposed to be....amusing.

Tom, 11-29-2007, 7:27 PM: Great pics Tom....! Dome cars would be useful in some areas up here in north of Scotland...

trolleyboy, 11-29-2007, 8:56 PM: Thanks for the info on 2786, appreciated! I can't remember if I asked you this before, but what was the trolley system like in Vancouver B.C? As mentioned before I've got a relative that moved there in 1924... 

pwolfe, 11-29-2007, 10:38 PM: Great pics matey! But, what on earth is that wee thingy? Is it something used in mines??

Gunneral, 11-30-2007, 12:49 AM: I'll do my very best not to do that, thanks mate! But, the way that I've been sleeping this weekend I haven't burned anyhting....

Tom, 11-30-2007, 1:03 AM: I'll get back to you regarding the competition when I've come to the last post.....if it isn't too late by then...

trolleyboy, 11-30-2007, 1:48 AM: Great post AND pics to go with it...WOW! Any idea how many ALCO's or MLW's there's still running in Canada?

trolleyboy,  11-30-2007, 2:17 AM: Part II just as impressive!

EricX2000, 11-30-2007, 7:44 AM: WOW! A pic from Nynäshamn in 1980! Many times I've been there... My dads parents used to live there and I love that place...what do I have to do to make you post more? Pay your bar tap for a full year? A private stash for the same time?

Tom, 11-30-2007, 4:35 PM: Superb post on DB's ICE!

coalminer3, 11-30-2007, 5:32 PM: Thanks! Believe you me mate, as da da boys say at work, if I go any slower, I'll be going backwards....cheek! 

Da Larsman, 11-30-2007, 5:39 PM: And here we go yet again....another possible "have to add to the to buy list" C&O Super Power Steam Locomotives.... I need to focus.... MILWAUKEE ROAD....MILWAUKEE ROAD....MILWAUKEE ROAD...!

EricX2000, Yesterday, 4:03 AM: Silver Charger(?).....CLASS!

Da Larsman, Yesterday, 4:03 PM: Stunning pics mate!

pwolfe, Yesterday, 7:57 PM, Really enjoyed you pics mate! STEAM all over the place....YEESSS!

Tom, as for the competition...hmmmm...I think that Eric will hit the 3000 marc on Decem

[trolleyboy]

Howdy again Leon seems the ole beer mugs empty so another guiness I think is required.here's a few new old shots for today from myself.Then back out into the first snow storm of the year here in my parts

Just a few shots from last summers trek to Ontario Northland country in North Bay Ontario.

enjoy

Rob

[trolleyboy]

good evening gents , a later than I had originally wanted to arrive this evening but I is here finally. So Leon just a guiness and perhaps a round for any of the track gangs that are still mobile enough to tip a glass

Tom-A yes tis the season to be sure,still the ole Our Place tree looks mighty fine. Arewe still buying our power from Vito's kid brother at the power plantIf so perhaps the  Boris sized hamster ball and the dynamo in his shed might be a good thought during the festive lighting season.

Loved the re-read on your LRC post and the passing trains book,It's a favourite in my humble library as well.This weeks movies look interesting as well , at least ones I ahve not seen which is always a good thing.

Pete-Nice steam shots from your mate again, always good to see mainline steam in action fer sure fer sure. It indeed would be wonderfull to get everyone to exporail , what a hoot that would be.I'm not sure that you would want to wear overalls there.The locals might think you are members there, mind you as long as you have a functioning knowledge of French it wouldn't be a half bad gig , espeacially if you had full access to all those wonderfull exhibits.

Lars-Ah yes loved the re-rolls of all Tom's top 'o' the post pics If it helps Pete's joke did a fly by on me as well , even after he tried to splain it

Rob

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!

at "Our" Place!

We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!

Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

. . . December 2^nd thru 8^th: Mission of the Shark: The Saga of the U.S.S. Indianapolis (1991) Starring: Stacy Keach, Richard Thomas, Don Harvey, Robert Cicchini & David Caruso - and The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006) Starring: Cillian Murphy, Padraic Delaney, Liam Cunningham, Orla Fitzgerald & Mary O'Riordan  SHORT: The Three Stooges - Phony Express (1943).

Mission of the Shark (1991)

PLOT SUMMARY:

A true story: When a top secret naval mission leads to the torpedoing of the U.S.S. Indianapolis at the end of WWII, it began one of the most scandalous court-martials in the history of the military. For five days the surviving crew members were left in the shark-infested waters, with only half of them surviving to be rescued. Their well-respected Captain accepted the responsibility to keep the scandal to a minimum but his court-martial only served to show that justice is not always found in military proceedings but rather mere expediency. Tana Hobart, All Movie Guide

<from: movies.aol.com>

 URL of interest:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-i/ca35.htm

 

 

The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006)

PLOT SUMMARY:

Winner of the Palme d'Or at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival, this gripping drama by Ken Loach (Raining Stones) is set during the early days of the Irish Republican Army, when British occupation of the Irish radicalized many a citizen and caused some to take up arms. Cillian Murphy plays Damien, a medical student on his way to London when he witnesses a couple of atrocities committed by British troops. Instead of becoming a doctor, he turns into a leading and respected figure in an IRA division led by his brother, Teddy (Padraic Delaney). The film provides some fascinating historical insight into the nascent resistance movement as it was in 1920, and Loach brilliantly conveys the profound emotional transition young men had to make to become saboteurs and killers. Loach's realistic style is absolutely mesmerizing, with many scenes built around the dynamics of large groups: contentious meetings, torture sessions, battles, celebrations, and the like. One has the sense of history as a pool of energy, and one also develops a kind of Renoiresque appreciation for the fact that different people on opposing sides of a life-or-death issue have their reasons for believing what they believe. As the story moves along, subtle shifts in the perspectives of men and women who had once agreed to be absolute in their fight for freedom results in a tragic yet understandable schism among Irish patriots. The final half-hour of The Wind That Shakes the Barley says a lot about how the Irish, including people who had known one another all their lives, turned their wrath on one another for so many decades. This is an outstanding film, featuring the best performance yet by Murphy (Red Eye). --Tom Keogh  

<from: amazon.com> 

 

SHORT: Phony Express (1943)

PLOT SUMMARY:

When Red Morgan and his gang invade Peaceful Gulch, the local editor prints a picture of the Stooges (who are wanted for vagrancy) as three famous marshals coming to clean up the town. When the Stooges show up in town, Red and his gang are worried until they find out the Stooges are just tramps, but when the gang tries to get them the Stooges manage to kncok them out instead. The boys get hired to guard the bank, but when Morgan and his gang rob it anyway, it's up to the Stooges to get the gold back!

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Holden's please CINDY, in the bar a lot earlier than yesterday.

ERIC I hope you are feeling a lot better today.

Don't worry about my question, what I was asking about was the three, what look like light lamps on top of the crosspiece of the electric contact wire support, they have a bar hanging down ending in a white plate which looks like it is half way from the support to the platform.

Great photo of the Silver Charger

ROB Yes a rendezvous at ExpoRail would certainly be interesting; perhaps we could get Allan over from NZ to see one of favorite A4s.

A photo TOM took at ExpoRail.

One I took.

A couple of pairs of overalls and Tom and I are ready to take 60010 on the Flying Scotsman(I wish) 

Yes it hard to believe it was 10 years ago that the EMD locomotives, known as class 66 in the UK, built at London Ontario arrived in Britain. The 66s are owned by Freightliner, DRS and GBRf as well as the once WC owned EWS, with over 400 locos delivered. I see that another 60 class 66s are being built for EWS to work in France, also that is said that EWS is going to be taken over by the German railway DB in the very near future.

LARS I was hoping you would ask what the ‘Arrangement' was I had with BORIS, but it seem as though it didn't copy from my word to the bar, no wonder you are confused Sorry. Anyway it involved an empty gondola, a friendly loco crew and VITO THE HIT's relation on the scrap metal business.

Great idea to show some of those great Canadian Photos that used to be on the top of Tom's posts It is ideas like that the explain why you are the manager and I am the chandler.

TOM Great to see the Christmas tree as well as the train. It is hard to believe it is December already.

It will be interesting to see how the new High Speed line in England to the Channel Tunnel does as regards passenger numbers; the line will also be used for commuters in Kent to get into the Capital in a short journey time. It still amazes me the opposition to light rail as well, although there is a great initial cost in most cases once a line is built it has to be extended owing to high passenger numbers.

They did say the rails were going to be left in place, but what they will do when the trail needs to cross a river etc. what will happen then I don't know. I agree with you if the tracks are torn up and the track bed turned over to the trail it would be near impossible to get the track bed for rail use. This as happened in the UK when a former line was wanted for as a extension to a preserved line also as a way of taking heavy trucks of narrow country roads with freight, it was turned down as the track bed is in use as a trail.

Really enjoyed those Encores from way back at the start of Our Place from Page 20.The LRC cars were a successful design and it would be good to have a ride in one. Really great review of the Passing Trains book. Many thanks for sharing.

With Tom's post on the DB yesterday here are some photos from Alan from Germany, taken in October this year.

This is WERNEGERODE in the evening before a trip up the BROKEN .

A pic of the engine hauling the train No. 99.7243  Alan thinks the location is DREI ANNEN HOHNE.

At the top of the BROKEN, in slightly better weather than Alan's last trip when it snowing

 These are some remains of when the area was East Germany, on the left is a hotel.

An old DB standard gauge station at GERNRODE. Th

[siberianmo]

 

This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!

Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.

 

 

G'day Gents!

Since it is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day, thought I'd throw in a couple from the archives of the Original Bar . . .

These are from Page 20 on the Original Thread back in 2005. . .

siberianmo Posted: 02 Jun 2005, 08:35:00

Before I forget, here's a bit of stuff about those LRC cars I rode between Montreal and Ottawa:

The LRC (Light, Rapid, Comfortable) was a joint project begun in the late 1960s by a consortium of Montreal Locomotive Works, Alcan and Dofasco. A demonstration train (one locomotive and coach) could be seen in Canada and the United States in 1973 and 1974. The LRC was the first train to incorporate successfully a banking system to increase speed and comfort around curves on conventional track. Bombardier acquired MLW in 1975 and pushed ahead the LRC production model. Amtrak ordered ten coaches and two locomotives, and the LRC could be seen up and down the Northeast Corridor in the early 1980s. Up until the late 1990s, the Amtrak LRC coaches (in VIA paint) worked the Chicago-Toronto "International" service. In Canada the LRC had a tremendous impact. The LRC became the hallmark of VIA Rail Canada's improved Corridor services. More than 20 years later, the LRC is still state-of-the-art technology, and one of only a handful of successful tilting trains in operation around the world. Today almost all of VIA's original 100 LRC coaches are still in service. from Rapido Trains Inc. web site

And . . . .

siberianmo Posted: 01 Jun 2005, 13:49:25 ANOTHER WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT SUBMISSION In my quest to ensure that "Our" Place stays on point, well at least some of the time, I thought a few comments about another of my railroad library books may be appropriate. From Passing Trains - The Changing Face of Canadian Railroading by Greg McDonnell. This hardcover book, given to me by my youngest son for my Birthday back in 2001, features a great wintry nighttime photo of VIA Rail's Canadian stopped at Parry Sound, Ontario (home of NHL legend, Bobby Orr) for the last time on January 14th, 1990. (The train had operated on Canadian Pacific tracks, but changed over to Canadian National, which it travels on to this day.) With such a fantastic cover, the book would simply have to be great .... which to me it is. Replete with outstanding photographs and narratives, I just cannot imagine any rail fan not becoming totally engrossed within its pages. The scenery is captured in all of its majesty and page after page seems to outdo the previous ones. The ruggedness of British Columbia is captured on page 155, where a photo of BC Rail's RDCs appears along the shoreline of Seton Lake, a very large and deep glacial lake with sheer cliffs dropping almost straight down to the water's edge. Carved out along one side is the right-of-way. The consist of four RDCs were preceded by a motor-car patrol for the purpose of ensuring a clear and unobstructed right-of-way. I traveled that route and it is every bit as beautiful and foreboding as the picture. Of course, seeing the "shot" from outside makes all the difference. The picture itself is a story ...... but I'll let you figure out what it is by discovering it for yourself! Another great photo is of VIA Rail's blue and yellow FP7's (ABA) pulling the Budd stainless steel consist through the snow and over a short trestle at Kicking Horse Pass, BC on February 11th, 1982 on the right-of-way of CP. A lone CP RDC1 heads for Halifax on April 25th, 1975 in Dominion Atlantic livery along the route known as the "Evangeline Route," or "Land of the Evangeline." The picture tells it all, as you can make out the near empty RDC skirting the shore of the Annapolis Basin near Deep Brook, Nova Scotia. Freight service ended on the "Evangeline" on December 20, 1989 and the final run for the RDCs was on January 14th, 1990, under VIA Rail livery.

[LoveDomes]

Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!

Cindy my sweet, although my <heart> is with Ruth, I must say my eyes are <feasting> on YOU! Oh yeah, order something . . . coffee with a splash ‘n a number three from the menu board should do it. <phew>

Boris, the crittAHs are lined up, trays in paws - so let's get going ‘n feed ‘em their treats. <geesh> Yes, yes - then you may have that small jar of PPF I left for you behind the bar.

Sir Wolfman, I hope not to offend you - but I haven't a clue what your "funny" was about!?!! I read ‘n reread - but still "don't get it." So, it looks to me like the bar made a "deal" ‘n came out on top. Good job, mate - you get a <double dip> next time you draw your pay.

For a Saturday it surely has the "feel" of a Monday to it as I'm really ‘tween a rock ‘n a hard spot. The Mrs. has been dropped off for one of her "tests" that will take a couple of hours. So rather that cool my heels in the waiting room, looking through mags that have dates of 2006 on ‘em, I figured my time could be much bettAH spent back home.

So, I'm really not going to be able to give it much this morning - but I do have an Encore to help things roll along.

Good to see Allan - Pete - Eric ‘n Rob since my last visit!

Also nice work from Da Bossman <as usual> with that fine Budd advertisement. Looked pretty "cool" the way Cap'n Tom adds those ‘finishing touches,' huh Youbetchaboots!

The "Our" Place Christmas Tree looks mighty fine along side that great looking train . . . must be "the season"! <ho ho ho>

My submission for this Saturday . . .

These are a few of the pix that were atop Cap'n Tom's daily summaries over at the old bar . . .

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

<"Our" Place Christmas Holiday Train>

This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!

Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.

 

G'day Gents!

Can you believe it - where now into DECEMBER! The final month of 2007 is upon us ‘n for many, the OH-FISH-UL beginning of the <fa la la la la> season! <yikes> Yeah, I know - it's being rushed upon us, but it's here folks . . . that's why the Christmas tree has been added to the masthead of this daily . . .

So on this day of relaxation for those of you who work your stern sections to the bone all week, join us for some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board ‘n of course a mug of steaming hot, freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee from the urns right over there . . .

Comments from the Proprietor:

Wonder who will make the 3,000^th Post at the bar A CONTEST! Cite the date AND the person who will make that memorable Post . . . So let's see who can come up with the answer!

CONTEST CLOSES Monday at NOON! (US/Canada central time)

Prize will be something special . . . but you gotta play to know! <grin>

Thus far we have:

Lars sez: Dec 7^th (Tom)

Rob sez:  Dec 24^th (Lars)

Pete sez: Dec 9^th (Lars)

Eric sez: Dec 13^th (CM3)

Fergie sez: Dec 16^th (???) <half an entry!>

CM3 Shane sez: Dec 12^th (Lars)

Allan sez: Dec 11^th (Tom)

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)

Friday - Nov 30^th:

Fergie (Fergmiester) at 7:55 AM: Sat link must've been uninterrupted as our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner has arrived sooner rather than later!

Never quite know what we gonna get from our at sea customer - but having him aboard is a plus, fer sure, fer sure!

I see you've entered HALF the CONTEST! <grin> Wathchagonnado when one doesn't take time to READ! <groan> <grimace> <grin> Must be sharing a trolley with the guy from Ontario!

Always appreciate the visit ‘n business <KaChing - KaChing>

CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:37 AM ‘n 11:32 AM: An early morning appearance by our over-worked ‘n under paid <yeah, right!> Resident WVA Connection! followed by a near-noon return!

Caught the comment you made about contributing to some of those Chessie books featured by our Manager, Lars. Care to elaborate

Juke box <Herr Wurlitzer> tunes appreciated along with the double-drop of quarters ‘n two rounds!

Lars (LoveDomes) at 11:39 AM: Yeah, I saw that we were both logged in - a rarity - a throwback to other times. Also caught that CM3 Shane was "in" with us . . .

Another installment of Chessie covers from our Manager ‘n Bookmobile operator! <sweet> That's sure a monster C&O steamer on the first cover!

Man oh man do I share your sentiments regarding the missed opportunities the U.S. had with regard to the purchase of modern passenger rail equipment . . . just think, had it all been bought when offered, perhaps - just perhaps we would be seeing more interest in the use of rail travel. Then again that's wishful thinking because our

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. I see that you are still cleaning up the debris in the kitchen from all thos running egg sandwiches da boyz ordered this morning. How on earth did so much stuff get up onto the ceilings Anywho just a Keith's for me this evening.

Tom-Wow two big posts from you today as well. Fighting fire with fire perhaps Oh well nice to see a couple days (daze) worth of healthy meaty subjects around here . No Boris I wasn't refering to your pet rats. Nice to re-read the Ice train info again

Eric-Many of the GMD1's are indeed still with us. CN still rosters 25 or so all in transfer service,probably another 10 are stored servicable.A fair number have been sold to teh Cuban State railway's as well where they continue doing what they do best.I did mean 3 axle , good catch, I do tend to miss the more glaring of type oh's sometimesThe 5 axle C-liners did indeed resemble the FL9's , the main difference is that they did not have teh third rail pick up shoes. They went with the trailing back axle to spread the weight of the rather heavy steam gen equipment they carried for steam heating the cars on the passenger trains.

Shane-Ah yes , I must agree with you teh RS18's did look better high hooded. Mind you teh last 30 or 40 built all for BC Rail the Cartier and Roberville and Saguney were built with low short hoods.Eastern Ontario was always an Alco Mecca of sorts. CPR kept their's in the Montreal region with the St Luc shops providing the rolling overhauls. CN also kept most of theirs in Toronto running them out of Spadina Roundhouse with servicing at Mac yard and at Pointe Ste Charles in PQ.The CN c-linners that bounced through on teh CV wree the four axle freighters in the normal 1600hp range . From what I understand CN used to test the new fandangled deisels on teh GT and CV before turning them loose system wide. I've seen pictures of FA's C-liners and even F3's and Geeps all running with steam in the US while they were being tested out.

Lars-Yup was real nice to see yesterday so well attended,kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling

Pete-Glad to have helped a bit. I think we all need to rendezvous at Delson maybe at some point in the future,imagins the trouble the lot of us could get into.It is neat to see the Euro-locomotives dribble out of the EMD plant in London. I remember lines of those new SD70 type ones that first went over to England 10-15 years ago when the WC had bought into the British rail scene.

fergie-Yes I would be interested in seeing your newf shots.I'll have to mosey over and take a look.I love the C linners too, mind you I may have gone a tad over board with them. I've and A-B-A set in both CP and CN and one of the passenger 5 axles as well. Oh well seemed to be a good idea at the time.

ob

[EricX2000]

Good evening Captain Tom and all present!!

Leon, I'll just have a cup of coffee. Don't have time or possibilities to stay tonight. You'll keep the change! 

A very short stop tonight. I stayed home from work today. It was this kind of day when one need a bath room within 3 ft at all times. In other words, not a pleasant day and I don’t feel pleasant tonight. Hopefylly things will have changed for the better when tomorrow comes! So I am afraid I will not have any inclusive comments this evening.

But I noticed a queston from Pete: “Are those lights incorporated in the electrification support in your photo?”

I don’t know what lights you are talking about. Could you clarify, please?

Round for all!

 

 

Eric 

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please LEON on this busy day.

ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the photos and thanks for the kind words.

Yes the A4s were special locomotives and with that fantastic chime whistle as well. To celebrate the 100^th anniversary of the present Rugby station (which recently as been extensively rebuilt) there was a great open day, held in some sidings near the station, with a collection of diesels and electric locomotives. Also there was the preserved A4 Sir Nigel Gresley, although not moving, she was in steam and you could visit the footplate and the youngsters could sound the chime whistle, which could be heard a good mile away with the wind in the right direction.

The Duchess of Montrose you saw at Euston was one of the Glasgow Polmadie ones when I was spotting. I always thought the Glasgow Duchesses were kept in great condition.

I thought you would like that painting which was titled ‘Fog on the Tyne'. I remember a few years back they had an exhibition of the Guild of Railway Artists artwork on the Severn Valley Railway to see about 30 of the original paintings they were really wonderful.  

ROB Many thanks for the info on the trolley equipment at ExpoRail.

Great to see the return of your Canadian Classic Diesels #s 40 & 41, illustrated with the great photos as well. I wonder when GMD built the plant in London Ontario, that many years later new locomotives built there would be running on several lines in Europe.

ERIC. Glad you are able to control the pain.

I asked Rob about the trolley equipment, Rob was able to help with the other works vehicle but was not sure what that particular car was for. I did post the photo before, perhaps Tom has a better one, and I will have a look.

Will you be heading down to the Branson Scenic Railway to renew your acquaintance with MARC #83 again.

Are those lights incorporated in the electrification support in your photo.

DL I shall look forward to your review of Whistle in the Night film and your next post.

As CM3 and Tom says a contact to Amtrak should help. They had a route guide to the Southwest Chief when we took it last September; I picked up my copy on the train.

FERGIE Thanks for explaining the meaning of 240T.

Runny egg sandwiches it a long time since I had one of those. Egg sarnies were a staple diet of my trainspotting expeditions as a kid, impossible to peal apart once made.

CM3 I hope your years in magazine production will be a topic at the rendezvous. I wonder how the sales figures of the all diesel issue of Trains compared to the others. I guess the circulation of Trains today is about the largest it as been, I can remember the figure but when I saw the subscribers alone I was amazed.. I must admit I do like the'feel' of Classic Trains magazine. 

I must admit I find the letters page of the railway magazines one of the most interesting parts

I picket up a Ted Rose 2008 calendar at a museum in California Is 'In the Traces' still in print do you know

Enjoyed reading your ‘out of the usual area'. It seems the SP liveried locos, now with a UP number, seem to be getting more rare through here. I still like to see the locos that work the local freight to the factories along Industrial Drive, they are the smaller and I guess older locomotives although they usually work after dark.

LARS As you say 3,000 posts is quite an achievement for the bar and in less than a year as well, what makes it truly great is the quality of the posts..

This was what I posted when Tom first left for Branson

"Well RUTH lets hope we can keep the bar up to the standards while TOM is away. OK LEON you are ‘Jimmy the One' for the next few days. What's that BORIS they have delivered two cars of Keith's instead of two kegs, I did notice the two CN boxcars, not too worry we will have a Keith's promotion.

[Gunneral]

Hi Tom and all,

Just popped in for a quickie Leon, Tui`s for all the crew please!

Tom. Just a quick visit today with my posting contest entry. Put me down for 11th Dec please, and you will be the 3000 poster.

To all. Just had a quick look at the latest great posts, and will catch up to acknowledge them all ASAP!

See ya,  Allan

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Time again for another Blast from the Past in the form of a nostalgia piece from the archives!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #63

<A form of this was initially Posted on Jan 24th, 2006 - Page 229 of the Original Thread>

 

Here's something to enjoy regarding the Budd Company from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

Cars For Proud Trains

Without exception, the stainless steel railway passenger cars built by The Budd Company go into their owners' finest trains. On the Pennsylvania, for example, you may ride in them on the Broadway Limited, The General, The Red Arrow, the "Spirit of St. Louis" and others of its blue ribbon fleet.

Where quality is a consideration, either in appeal to the public or in dependable, economical operation, the things Budd makes have achieved a unique and strengthening position.

 

* In 1934 Budd built its first train, the Pioneer Zephyr, first lightweight streamliner of all. It revolutionized railway car construction. Budd is now the world's second largest builder of railway passenger cars.

* In 1912 Budd invented the steel automobile body. Today Budd is the world's largest independent builder of automobile body components.

* In 1919 Budd introduced the steel disc automobile wheel. During the past twenty-seven years, in addition to producing millions of automobile wheels, Budd has placed more wheels on trucks, buses and highway trailers than all other makes in the world combined.

 

 

The great complex of Budd industrial facilities, producing a quarter of a billion dollars worth of goods annually, has sprung from one basic philosophy- build better products through the use of superior materials and challenging design.

The Budd Company, Phila., Detroit.

Budd

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Enjoy!
Tom

[LoveDomes]

Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth my deAH, looks like I made it in at a time when Da Bossman is here too! That doesn't happen very often. Have one on me, Cap'n Tom!

And for me, I'll take a double hit of JD on the rocks - then a Larsman special hero sandwich (sometimes hoagie) of ham, ‘n Swiss, mustaHD ‘n buttAH with two extra large ‘n crunchy pickles from the barrel. <yum> Of course, treats for the crittAHs ‘n that small jar of PPF for Boris - once he feeds that gang that is!

Looks like a winnAH yesterday with all of the posts ‘n just about everyone who claims this place as their own showing up. Nice to see for a change! Drinks on the Manager <aka: 1^st Mate> Boris, ring the bell!

For Cap'n Tom: Took a bit of prodding, but it appears we're getting some responses to this latest CONTEST from Da Bossman. Three thousand posts for a thread like ours is indeed something special. I'm somewhat AMAZED that our two Canadians can't figure it out though . . . neither of ‘em got it "right" <the first time> by picking not only the date but the person too! <geesh> <duh>

Liked those WWFTS offerings in your morning wake-us-up! Also fine job with the ICE Train . . . always kinda bothers me to think that this country had the chance to go with technology like that <and the X2000> but didn't. <arrrrggghhh> <double arrrrgggghhhh>

For Fergie: I spent 4 years in the US Navy and 40 as a "merchie," so I'm pretty "up" on nautical terms. Used to sail with a guy who was a walking, talking reference book of ‘em. Drove us absolutely crazy! He was a "decky" so what do you expect Anyway, some really interesting backgrounds on just where all of those terms we use aboard ship originated. Some you'd nevAH know the origins, as they've been pretty much destroyed over the years.

All of my time at sea was below decks where the ride was much bettAH! <grin> Got hotter than the shades of Hades down there, but as is said, "You get used to it." <grin>

Can't say much about the origination of the word "boss" other than to say I've had a few who would've made great anchors. <uh oh> All words have an origin, and my opinion is they came from back when we dragged our knuckles and uttered things like <uh> ‘n <duh>.

For Rob: You deposited quite a bit of material on us, which ain't bad, but surely takes up lotsa space. Haven't seen the likes of that kind of posting since the days of the guy who left without so much as a fair-thee-well. But for your efforts . . . all quality stuff ‘n the pix are great. No, I haven't gotten through your write-ups, but hope to . . . .

Fergie specifically said that Cap'n Tom was to mete out the punishment. How did those <ahem> "gals" H&H factor in to any of this I do think you've got a "thing" for the <larger sized> women of northern Europe! <grin>

For Pete: Can always count on our Bar Chandler to pick up on the little things in the posts. Glad you enjoyed those C&O covAHs! Good advice given to you by Rob for use of the dippAH. But you'll be WATCHED! <uh oh>

I'm feeling dumber than a post, but WHAT have I missed that is going on between you ‘n Cap'n Tom???????

For Allan: Also glad you enjoy the covAHs . . . Patriots aren't a favorite of mine - they are in Boston (Foxboro) 'n I'm in New YAWK! <grin> They could lose ‘em all <which they won't> ‘n it would put a smile on my ugly mug! Have a Tui on me, mate!

For Eric: Yeah, it's good to go into the "yards" ‘n get the parts back in working order before embarking on a new mission. Just gotta make sure the docs don't wind up with "extra" parts . . . <uh oh> Glad you're feeling bettAH ‘n the prospects are good for you.

I recall hearing about Santa Lucia from both grandfathers . . . in Norway I believe it's not celebrated as in Sweden, but is recognized in other ways. I'm 2^nd generation, so don't hold me to that!

Yeah, that Chessie Kitten is my Mrs. favorite too . . . <grin>

For Shane: Good to see you've been allowed to come up for air, mate! Have one on me . . . chocolate milk?!!?!?!?!? Really?!?!?!?

  

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep (again) and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  We'll let Boris rest for the present as he still looks a bit winded after his earlier exertions.

Let's go through the stack of posts and see what we can find.

Rob has been busy with all kinds of diesel information.  An RS23?  Hot dog!  There's something you don't see every day.  The CN C liners were a good take as well.  I remember the New Haven's C liners quite well.  CN operated FM power on the CV every now and then but those engines were a different FM model.  I recall the RS18s in various versions as well.  IMHO, the chop nose on the rebuild really didn't improve their appearance.  The r/bs reminded me of a C420 with the proportions just a little "off."  FPA4s - Remember chasing them in different parts of Ontario and also riding behind them.  Brockville was a good place to catch them because of the arrival and departure (and switching) of passenger trains that occurred there. 

Pete provided some interesting reflection re DPM and his tenure at Trains magazine.  He did a lot of steam-related articles and different rr profiles and features back during the transition era and there was lots of commentary and expressions of mourning for steam expressed in the letters to the editor section of the magazine.  However, remember that DPM also did an annual "all-diesel" issue of Trains as well.  IIRC it usually appeared in December.  He himself said that producing the magazine was sometimes like doing a high wire act or words to that effect.  I can relate to that having been involved with magazine production for approx 18 years (I gratefully relinquished that task about a year ago).  There's always going to be some readers who have problems, no matter what you do.  It goes with the territory. 

I also appreciated your comments re railroad artists.  The best one working recently, IMHO, was Ted Rose.  Get a copy of his book In the Traces if you can - it's one of the best I have ever seen.

Your observation on "out of their usual area" engines was a good one.  The U.S. situation has been somewhat similar.  Much of the "out of place" phenomenon occurred as a result of mergers, dating back at least 40 years.  Examples that come to mind right off are E-L, the N&W-NKP-WAB-ACY merger, the whole Family Lines System, Chessie, etc.  This made for interesting times to be out with a camera.  A couple of others mergers that come to mind that really shook things up in the Northeast were Penn Central as we got to see all kinds of stuff that wandered into New England and Conrail.  The early days of CR were incredible for the variety of strange beasties that came to visit.   Then, of course, there was Amtrak which not only brought "foreign" equipment to different parts of the country, it also brought strange and different locomotives as well.

DD1 Has been to see us as well.  I liked your remarks about "human engineering" and design.  Amazing what has to be done as we get bigger because we are more sedentary.  Also, many thanks for the model photographs - they enlarged well and I enjoyed looking at them.  Trains on stamps has always been a popular "topical" for collectors.  Neat!

Fergie is asea - One hand for you and one for the ship.  Your remark about the Thermos brought to mind what Cap'n Jack says, "Why do they always move the rum?"

And Lars is still driving the bookmobile.  Nice to look at all the C&O material.  I know many of the authors and have contributed to some of their stuff as well.

Jan has been by - take it slow!

Eric - Glad to see that the "shiny side is up" again.  I liked the picture of MARC 83 at D.C.  Upper level, west side - where the B&O "usta be."  I have a picture of an ancient B&O E8 with a Sunday only passenger train taken in about the same spot a looooong time ago.  Train name was the "Potomac 35."  Yes Boris, they tied the name and the train number together, not something you see every day.

Allan stopped by as well - Good to hear from you.

DL - The Amtrak site as OSP suggested is probably about the best source.  They do have route guides for different long haul routes as well as a more general "vacation planner" type guide.  You need to look unde specific train names as well when you search the site.

OSP is keeping us going as always.  I did several training courses for miners from Cape Breton (back before the bottom fell out of the industry for the most part up there).  Great folks to work with.

Thanks for the NFLD info.  The Branson pictures were good as well, especially for those of us interested in things geological.  Then we get to ride on the ICE train - excellent!

Contest?  Let's see Lars on December 10.

work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Time for another look at the Classic Trains of Europe - a bit modern, but still surely will become a Classic in all regards - the ICE Train of Germany!

RAILWAYS of EUROPE #4 - ICE (Germany)

<A form of this first appeard on Feb 9th, 2006 - Page 270 of the Original Thread>

Deutsche Bahn (DB)


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. Information not corroborated.


InterCity Express



ICE train (Wikipedia)

The InterCity Express or ICE is a type of high-speed train operated by DB Fernverkehr in Germany and neighboring countries, for example to Zürich, Switzerland or Vienna, Austria. ICE-trains also run at lower speeds to Amsterdam, Netherlands and to Liège and Brussels, Belgium on the Belgian highspeed way. The Spanish railway operator RENFE also employs these trains, and the Russian state ordered 60 for new high-speed routes between Saint Petersburg and Moscow. The new management of the Russian railways is reviewing the order and apparently plans to reduce it to six trains. Another 60 trains were ordered for the Chinese Beijing-Tianjin high-speed rail line.

Equipment and specifications


3rd Generation ICE "Frankfurt am Main" (GNU Free Documentation)

ICE equipment is manufactured by an industrial consortium led by Siemens AG.

ICE trains require special high-speed tracks to run at high speeds, but can run on normal tracks at normal speeds.

The first generations were derived from the then-new class 120 electric locomotives. The powerheads of those units are in fact upgraded 120s with a more aerodynamic lining. Passenger cars can be coupled and uncoupled for maintenance, enabling the operator to run trains of different lengths. First-generation trains are currently undergoing a major redesign, including a standardization of train lengths.

The third generation ICE has a completely different concept: The entire traction equipment is fitted underfloor, with a larger number of less powerful motors. An ICE 3 unit consists of eight cars, four of which are powered, while the others carry other electrical equipment, including the pantographs. This design allow seats in all parts of the train, including "lounge" seats at both ends separated from the driver by a glass wall only.

The ICE 3M (class 406) is a multisystem variant of the ICE 3 that currently serves routes into the Netherland and Belgium. Licensing for French LGVs started in 2001 and has been described by engineers as a "clash of cultures". Problems included flying gravel and trackside equipment ripped loose by the ICE's magnetic brakes. Admission of the ICE 3M for regular service into France is expected late 2005 or early 2006.

ICE-T


ICE-TD train (Wikimedia Commons)

Simultaneously to the development of the ICE 3, DB demanded new tilting trainsets to be able to serve conventional tracks that couldn't be upgraded to higher speeds. Originally these trains were to be called IC-T (InterCity-Triebzug), but just prior to their introduction, DB decided to charge ICE fares for these trains and renamed them ICE-T. These trains are constructed to a concept of distributed traction similar to the ICE 3. Three different types were ordered:

• electric train with 7 cars (class 411)
• electric train with 5 cars (class 415)
• diesel train with 4 cars (class 605)

Units of either of these types can be coupled with one or more unit of the same or any other type within a few minutes.

The electric units, equipped with tilting technology of the ETR 460 bought from FIAT, entered service in 1998. A second order for additional series 411 ICE-Ts. These units, known as ICE-T2, were delivered in 2004. The main difference to the original ICE-Ts are several cost-cutting measures, giving those trains a "cheaper" look and feel.

For the diesel units, called ICE-TD, Siemens developed their own tilting technology, based on the aiming system of the Leopard 2 main gun. These trainsets became something of an embarrassment. They were to be delivered in 2000, but braking problems caused delays, so they entered service in spring 2001. Their first year in operation was overshadowed by software failures and problems with the tilting technology. One of the 20 trains fell off a maintenance platform and had to be written off. When those problems were fixed and the train finally ran without apparent problems in December 2002, a train derailed because of a broken axle. The trains were temporarily pulled out of service by the federal rail authority. When Siemens had fixed the problem, DB refused to take the trains back, claiming they weren't meeting specifications. It is speculated that besides technical difficulties, these trains were an economical burden as well. Source claim that even when filled to capacity, income from fares would be below the operating cost.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.  It's a bit coolish outside today (low 20's) and Boris looks like he needs some exercise so let's watch him clog to "Paddy on the Railway," "The Gold Rush," and "Gloucester Girls."  Something for everybody on that list and he like all of those tunes.  I am going to duck out of here for a little while, but will be back a bit later as they want me to do a building safety inspection this a.m. Should not take too long, however.

TTFN

work safe

[Fergmiester]

Good Morning Captain Tom!

Please put me down for Dec 16th!

 

Barkeep don't know what you put in the thermos last night but when I opened her up this morning it seemed to have... evaporated? Yeppers, all gone, nada

(hic oops scuse me)

Better fill it up again and put more anti freeze in it so it won't get away. Might as well as get a steak and egg (runny) sandwich witha side order of beens and home fries and save some for Lars, Pete and Eric!

Anyway we change course and heading a tad more to the South so we aren't sitting on a heading of 240 degrees True (240T).

Watched a Grain carrier go by earlier and have to say I "glad I'm here and not there!" Roll baby Roll!

Trolley Rob: Thanks for the info on CN Diesels a couple of notes regarding why they were built under contract I found interesting. The MESS has 4 C-Liners, two 5 axle passenger and two freight. Good runners and I like their looks. I do have some pics of Nfld Railway stuff on my Railimages site if you are interested.

Lars: I have several Nautical dictionaries and you'ld be surprised what terms we use are from us Mariners. It's all above board.

Pete and Eric thanks for sentiments but as long as I pack the thermos I'll be fine!

Anyway guys I have to run so I will check in later.

Fergie

[siberianmo]

<"Our" Place Christmas Holiday Train>

Friday's Grin

Law of the Telephone:  When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal.

G'day Gents!

It's here, FRIDAY ‘n the end of the work week <for many>! So, before heading off to the daily grind, sit a spell with us ‘n enjoy a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and of course a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!

Comments from the Proprietor:

Wonder who will make the 3,000^th Post at the bar A CONTEST! Cite the date AND the person who will make that memorable Post . . . So let's see who can come up with the answer!

CONTEST CLOSES Monday!! So let's get a move on Gents . . .

Prize will be something special . . . but you gotta play to know! <grin>

Thus far we have:

Lars sez: Dec 7th (Tom)

Rob sez:  Dec 24th (Lars)

Pete sez: Dec 9th (Lars)

Eric sez: Dec 13th (CM3)

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Because it's FRIDAY, time again for the "Our" Place Warehouse of Wondrous Forgotten Technologies and Skills (WWFTS)!!

. . . When dialing a telephone meant just that!

. . . When Jim Croce sang, "You can keep the dime!" referred to the cost of a pay phone call!

. . . When there were indeed such things as penny candy!

. . . When black 'n white referred to an ice cream sundae!

. . . When the longest nickel ride in the world belonged to the Staten Island Ferry!

. . . When automobiles didn't have seat belts OR outside mirrors!

. . . When you could tune in a radio station on a car radio!

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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)

Thursday - Nov 29^th:

Rob (trolleyboy) at 7:38 PM - 7:48 PM - ‘n 8:17 PM: A threesome from our Resident Ontario Connection! I see you haven't forgotten the lessons learned from the days <daze> of UTB 20 Fingers!

I won't even pretend to say I've read your Epistles . . . those get saved for later on. Far too early in the morning for "heavy reading" . . .

Your amended guesstimate has been added to the CONTEST!

I don't know what you've been drinking and/or smoking . . . but if I'm beginning to look like Ruth to you, well . . . guess we'll travel in separate bedroom cars in the future! <uh oh>

Rounds, fotos ‘n chat all appreciated ‘n helped to make last evening most successful at the Tavern by the Tracks!

Friday - Nov 30^th:

Eric (EricX2000) at 1:44 AM: An understatement indeed regarding the interesting stuff to catch up on . . . I'm a wee bit behind as well, thanx to our friend in Ontario!

I can appreciate how the "feeling" you had while not frequenting the bar . . . pretty much shared that sensation while we were away. Almost as if part of my "routine" had been disrupted - which it had! <grin> "Our" Place definitely does that, eh

That friend of mine is an active police officer . . . he's in his 60s, big ‘n as strong as an Ox ‘n if you didn't know it, you'd be surprised that he no longer has his gall bladder insofar as his eating habits are concerned. He says "certain things" are off-limits, but nothing he cannot handle . . . sounds positive to me.

Glad the Bra