Good evening Leon. Think I'll just grab a Keith's and here's a bit of cash to spend on the dog and the rest of the critters .I see that you've cleaned your hunting piece. Another larder refilling planned with Boris and Kopperkettle remember the ground rules. The Food n drug guys say everything is fine so long as you follow the rules. That and I think Boris holding his hunting blunderbuss scarred them into aggreement. I thought I had answered that query about Delson oh well my grey matters never been the best,I'm glad to have belatedly cleared it up.
Lars-good to see you again, another fine collection of book covers.Like I said before stay to the numbered selections and you will be fine, that and the saurkraut and saurbraten, absolutly no mystery meat contnet in either of those.
Tom-Yup was nice chatting with you this afternoon as well. I'm glad that Juneau had a good . I can't figure why no one will buy that hobby shop, goes to show that the hobby on a bit of a low times kick again. Your right though, the location is a no miss,If only I had the money , maybe I'll win a lottery.
Pete-Nice additional B&O passenger info, looks like we have another winnah as far as theme railroads go again. Sorry but those prune danishes seem to be a staple with H&H, think of it this way, those who eat them will have alot of personal space. I didn't get those links to work unfortunatly, I'll try again might have been the day.
Well gotta mosey it's been a tad of a long day.
Rob
Hi Tom and all.
To JUNEAU, so a Bathams and a round to celebrate please RUTH.
DOUG Looking forward to your post when your workload lessens.
MIKE Thanks for the links. B&O was another railroad with a good livery, although in my mind not quite as good as the D&H.
The LMS loco shown in the link is an ex L&NWR Claughton class 4-6-0. I believe this loco No 5971 ‘Croxteth', was one of the 2 Claughtons that were re-built as the first Patriot class locos in 1930.
That looks a very interesting photo of the Virginia Anthracite Coal and Railway Co locomotive; perhaps CM3 has some details of her.
ERIC It does seem a bit strange why British Railways stayed so long with the vacuum brake, I think it was the mid 1960s that air brakes were brought in to use on BR, although a few earlier railways used air brakes like the Great Eastern for it's intense commuter service into London, where there were a lot of stopping and starting with closely spaced stations.
I wonder if there were any cine-film taken in a Strata-Dome at night with the floodlights in use, it would be good to see.
Thanks for the photo of Baltimore station; I noticed the' Gauntlet' track through the platform line.
ROB I think Ruth's bad mood first thing was that she had got wind of LARS meeting with Molly Throttlebottom , but after she was told it was ‘business' her mood has improved. OH NO the Prune Danishes have re-appeared, BORIS used to take them to the typing class until he was stopped.
Thanks for the Classic Steam Encore on the Canada Southern St Clair branch. If they had managed to build the bridge linking the line to Michigan its fate might have been so different.
Were you able to look at the links to the KC Streetcars, they worked and then it seem the didn't
LARS Vito the Hit involved on your side into the investigation, I think I will keep a low profile. At least the fish H&H seem to get seems to be first rate; at least I hope it is.
It seems the puters and the forum is taking it in turns to give us problems, I hope your puter probs are over real soon.
Thanks for the latest B&O book covers, the ‘Impossible Challenge looks a good read.
TOM Many thanks for the Toy train encore and the different model gauge sizes, I see the V gauge still wants to be 12 inch to the foot gauge in the imperial width column. It was interesting how the trains went from being toys to becoming models.
It would indeed be great if you did own a model shop and one in a working station would be brilliant.
I am sure Juneau is pleased to have the raccoon to add to his collection on his.
To continue the B&O theme I have another ad posted by TOM on page 127 of the old Our Place.
More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956
B&O DIESEL-ELECTRIC FEATURE TRAINS CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN - SHENANDOAH Between Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington and the East NATIONAL LIMITED - DIPLOMAT - METROPOLITAN Between St. Louis, Cincinnati, Washington and the East THE AMBASSADOR Between Detroit, Washington and Baltimore THE ROYAL BLUE Between Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York STRATA-DOME CARS* On 3 Fine Trains CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN - SHENANDOAH Chicago - Akron - Pittsburgh - Washington Baltimore - Wilmington - Philadelphia - New York (* In service between Chicago and Washington) Enjoy!
Well RUTH I will have another and let me get another round in
Pete.
G'day Gents!
A few customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS since my last narrative:
Rob at 8:51 AM 'n 9:27 AM today: Great to see ya back in full form and even BETTER speaking with you by phone! It was good catching up on "stuff."
Appreciate the explanation of why the Canadian Railway Museum at Saint-Constant, Quebec is commonly referred to as "Delson." It's a question I've posed several times at the bar, but never got a response. Now I know - but the rest of ya, don't! <grin>
Rob if it wasn't for "the money" is an expression that "dogs" many people throughout life. I'm at a point where if I lived up your way, I'd buy that hobby store. Absolutely - a no doubt about it (no doot aboot it!) situation. What a marvelous setting for a train store, smack dab in the confines (outer) of Brantford's great looking VIA Rail station. Yeah, it wouldn't take me but a New York minute to jump at that one . . . So for me it's, "if it wasn't for the distance"! <grin>
What's to add to the comments Manager Lars made about your <ahem> kitchen specials. <ugh> I think the Food 'n Drug people are coming in this afternoon to check out those meat lockers. <yikes>
Hope the guys appreciate the efforts you've put forth today - I do!
Lars at 10:59 AM today: Wouldn't be a complete day without Manager Lars 'n RR bookcovers, eh <grin>
Many thanx for the visit, Email, and fine Post!
So, Vito the Hit is "involved" in your "defense team, eh Caution, Gents, you are now in real deep, deep doo doo with this "investigative thing." Proceed with caution, or better put - back off! <uh oh>
But, WHAT is the "round thing" you think you lost????
Not to worry 'bout the bar, we'll muddle through. Pete 'n I will also be gone for a day on an Amtrak round trip to KCity. Those left here will simply have to pull a bit more share o' the load.
Odd that you should mention Forum's problems. I had a Dickens of a time logging on, then couldn't get the "reply box" to come up with the "tool bar." Here we go again. <arrrggghhh>
Juneau's had a fine B'day thus far. He got a new "toy" this morning - a stuffed Racoon with a "squeeker." He has quite a collection of toys and for a "rough dog" I must say that he doesn't totally destroy the things he's been given. He does rip 'em, tear 'em and "bust" the "squeekers," but with some needle 'n thread work, his collection is pretty much in tact. A crazy Husky fer sure, fer sure. <grin>
Had a visit from his "uncle" today, a veteran police Sgt who has been doing what he's been doing for nearly 40 years. Juneau goes absolutely "bonkers" when he's around. Good friend to have, for lots of reasons.
CM3 Shane at 12:22 PM today: What's to say other than THANX for the round, quarters 'n visit!
By the by, was this latest mine tragedy in Maryland in any way connected with what you and your contemporaries do? Dangerous work - an understatement.
Ruth, set 'em up and Boris ring the ding!
Tom
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. Just a quick stop between sessions today. Will post more tomorrow. C&O next week - have some good first hand material for that.
"Were you in Mrs. Throttlebottom's chicken coop?" - Great line from Three stooges.
work safe
Ahoy Cap'n Tom!
Ruth my deAH you are lookin' mighty fine in that outfit today! I'll take a steaming mug of Joe with a "jolt," and if you would, make me a brunch special. Of course a bone for Juneau, treats for the critters of the house, and a small jar of pickled pig's feet for Boris! A round for the boys ‘n keep the change!
What's THIS??? I'm being INVESTIGATED??? Ruth is being INVESTIGATED??? Are we turning into some sort of a "Witch Hunting Society" or are we a man's bar??? Youse guys best WATCH IT, for Vito the Hit ‘n I will handle things the way WE handle things if this gets too far along. Woid to the wise! <grimmace>
What's THIS??? I'm going to meet with a gal named "Throttlebottom"??? For real??? Well, I'll do what the Cap'n orders, but ain't no way this is gonna be a candlelight dinner with me involved. I'll make sure we find out what the deal is with Wolfman ‘n Boris not passing the typing course. But anything above ‘n beyond that, no way Jose!
Hey Cap'n Tom, I sent you an email with the particulars of our trip to the Keys. We'll be out of town for a portion of next week and all that's needed is to line up an Assistant Manager. Looks like AVOIDANCE has kicked in. Could be w-r-o-n-g, however . . . <grin>
Nice bunch o' stuff for the B&O theme day and still more on the way! The "family" RR lives on!
Good to see some of the "missing" return to the bar. We used to have a distinction between REGULARS and OTHERS. But not so these times, which is probably best. Anyway, all are welcome at this saloon, just as long as the PAGE ONE "rules" are read ‘n followed. Otherwise, you don't know me and I don't wanna know you! <uh oh>
Rob has made quite a morning out of this with three visits so far. What a way to spend a day off, huh?? <grin> Really, good to see ya and with all of that work you've got to take care of in the galley, it's good to see that you're "in."
Your menu's are a bit "suspect" as I checked the reefers and those "meats" hanging on the hooks look a hulluvalot like road kill. <yuck> And the hamburger looks more chewed than ground. I'm placing these things "off limits" until the Can-Am County Food ‘n Drug Administration and Tool ‘n Die Works puts the stamp of approval on it all. <grin>
Sorry if I've neglected to make direct responses to any who've asked questions of me, but here's the deal. I JUST NOW can't seem to call up the previous page! Just won't "do it"!! <arrrggghhh> However, I do recall seeing that looooooooooooooooong winded Shane epistle. Reminded me of something from our past when 20 Fingers used to prowl these parts.
Here's my continuing B&O stuff - more book covers that I hope you haven't seen from me B4:
Many thanks for the brunch, Ruth. <grin> I'll take it over at the Manager's table as I try to square away the week's worth of paperwork that's piled up. <groan>
Until the next time!
Lars
All right , I think I'll nab another soeacial coffee from Ruth and I'll jot down another encore from the old thread. This will also be one of the former Classic steam series, and also ties in so of our more recent rail topics. this one deals with the Ontario oil belt and it's service by the Canada Southern RY.
CLASSIC STEAM #14 THE CSR's ST CLAIR BRANCH
This was first printed out onto the old thread around page #226 or so.
Up until 1960 people in the "oil belt" of Ontario would have been familiar with trains along the Canada Southern's St Clair Branch right up until it's abandonenment in 1960.Trains of box cars tanks and passenger cars were regulars on this line right up until it's ending.
This line of the Canada Southern ( CASO ) was one of several railway lines whose builders saw this area as a convenient short cut between American cities in this case Chicago and Buffalo via Ontario.Yet the difference with this one is that it was launched by Canadians William thompson and Adam Cooke,althouhg most of their time and effort was spent in the US looking for US intrest and financing.
While the Caso's mainline would run arrow straight from Niagara Falls to Windsor ( some of the heaviest rail built in Ontario in fact ), the St Clair branch veered northwestward from a junction just west of St Thomas and cintinued on through to the St Clair River. Here , at a point on te railroad called Courtright,( named for Milton Courtright the railways principal investor )the railway had hoped to establish a major railway terminus, with a bridge accross the busy St Clair River to the Michigan side.From there trains would make their way to Chicago,and to the rest of the American West.
The American link failed however,and the Windsor route with it's tunnel under the Detroit River earned the bulk of the rail traffic from Southwestern Ontario.The grand scheme of a bridge over the St Clair River was then reduced to a barge operation.This operated accross the river from Courtright and St Clair for a few yeasr until it burned and sank. With the sinking sank tio last vestige of this American link to Chicago and beyond.
The Caso pinned it's early hopes on a reprieve and revenue on this line with teh oil boom in the 1860's. this put places like Petrolia Ontario and Oil Springs Ontario on the map and provided easier acess to these boom towns. To help boost the revunes on this line a new line called the Chatham Sarnia and Eastern ( CSE ) was created. It began in a town called Shrewsbury on Lake Erie and it was intended that it would pass through Oil Springs and Petrolia and terminate at Sarnia,interchanging with the Pere Marquette & C&O.However this project never went beyond short temporary spurs built from the Caso St Clair Branch north to Petrolia and South to Oil Springs. Later the hub of this oil Industry moved to Sarnia where te Pere Marquette was already established.The CSE was then absorbed into the Canada Southern which bypassed the spurs and built the line to follow the St Clair River to Sarnia
Once these short lived oil pockets tapped out the line was given up for abandonement as the ligth agricultural and wood product and the small mixed trains were not enough to keep this piece of the Canda southern viable so in January of 1960 it was abandoned after about 80 years of sporadic frieght rvenues.
Good morning again Ruth, I see that you are your normal self again sooo I'll have a number three and a BK splashed coffee, thank-you my dear oh so theres no hard feelings keep the change ( must replace the confiscated unmentionables that eric found )
Tom-Yup that visit was a correct time up at 5am my time so to get in for a 7am meeting at the store that lasted to 8:35 seemed hardly worth driving in for and on my day off no less, where's Eric and his crack team when you need them Sleeping like most normal people I would guessI'll line the dipper with tin foil so it doesn't take as big a scoop out of the tub hows that. Oh and to set yours and everyone elses minds at ease, I laid the ground rules down with the kitchen staff as to what can be used and how it's abtained as far as the main ingrediantss of the "Bag and Gag " speacials. All food stuffs must be edible by human norms not Boris's and must be obtained fresh via the usual methods. A-store bought , or if obtained by other means the hunt must be fresh and killed by normal hunting methods,not Boris's teeth as is his usual method on his nature hikes with Leon. also only approved hunting tools may be used,no collecting VIA steel wheels on steel rails or rubber wheels on any suitable hard or soft surface.
Tom todays edition of the model stuff was a good read once again. Nice to see the tradition of the old wednesday's still occuring on occation.I'm glad that some of those more obscure size and scale variations have been left in the past, there's enough confusion with the various large scale designators and sclaes in the modern era.
C&O should be a good choice,goes part n parsel with the B&O at any rate.Lets us expand upon the merger and it's various components anyway, B&O , C&O, WM et al. Also lets our coal minner do his thing as well which is always a good read no matter how you slice it.
OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day!
Initially Posted on Page 321 of the original Thread on May 3rd, 2006
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Toy train A toy train is a toy that represents a train, distinguished from a model train by an emphasis on low cost and durability, rather than scale modeling. A toy train can be as simple as a pull toy that does not even run on track, or it might be operated by clockwork or a battery. Many toy trains blur the line between the two categories, running on electric power and approaching accurate scale. Standards The first widely adopted standards for toy trains running on track were introduced inLeipzig, Germany in 1891 by Märklin. Name . . . . . Width . . . . . Width . . . . . size . . . . . . . . . . Comments gauge . . . . . (metric) . . . . (imperial) Number 5 . . . . 120 mm . . . 4 in 5/8" . . . 1:8 . . . . . . . . . . Also known as V Gauge. Number 4 . . . . . 75 mm . . . 3 in. . . . . . 1:11 or 1:20 . . . . Also known as IV or 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . gauge.
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Number 3 . . . . . 67 mm . . . 2 5/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also known as III, II, IIa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . gauges Number 2 . . . . . 54 mm . . . 2 1/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also known as II gauge. Number 1 . . . . . 45 mm . . . 1 ¾ in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Also known as I gauge. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Used by modern G scale. Number 0 . . . . . 35 mm . . . 1 3/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Introduced later, around 1900. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This is modern O gauge. Märklin measured the gauge as the distance between the centers of the two outer rails, rather than the distance between the outer rails themselves. Lionel's Standard gauge is allegedly the result of Lionel's misreading these standards, as are the variances in O gauge between the United States and Europe. Most of these standards never really caught on, due to their large size, which made them impractical to use indoors, as well as the high price of manufacturing. Wide gauge trains, which are close in size to 2 gauge, are produced in limited quantities today, as are 1 gauge and O gauge trains. Of these, O gauge is the most popular. An O gauge Marx toy train set made in the late 1940s or early 1950s. GNU Free Documentation The modern standards for toy trains also include S gauge, HO scale, N scale, and Z scale, in descending order of size. HO and N scale are the most popular model railway standards of today; inexpensive sets sold in toy stores and catalogs are less realistic than those sold to hobbyists. O gauge arguably remains the most popular toy train standard. Another size that is attracting interest among hobbyists is building and operating trains from LEGO, or L gauge, which is roughly 1/38 scale. Although the words "scale" and "gauge" are often used interchangeably, toy train manufacturers have only recently concerned themselves with accurate scale. The terms "O scale" and "S scale" tend to imply serious scale modeling, while the terms "O gauge" and "S gauge" tend to imply toy trains manufactured by the likes of Lionel and American Flyer. While S gauge is fairly consistent at 1:64 scale, O gauge trains represent a variety of sizes. O gauge track happens to be 1/45 the size of real-world standard gauge track, so manufacturers in Continental Europe have traditionally used 1:45 for O gauge trains. British manufacturers rounded this up to 1:43, which is seven millimeters to the foot. U.S. manufacturers rounded it down to 1:48, which is a quarter-inch to the foot. However, most engaged in a practice of selective compression in order to make the trains fit in a smaller space, causing the actual scale to vary, and numerous manufacturers produced 1:64 scale trains-the proper size for S gauge-in O gauge, especially for cost-conscious lines. Some of the earliest O gauge trains made of tinplate weren't scale at all, made to unrealistic, whimsical proportions similar in length to modern HO scale, but anywhere from one and a half to two times as wide and tall. Some adult fans of toy trains operate their trains, while others only collect. Some toy train layouts are accessorized with scale models in an attempt to be as realistic as possible, while others are accessorized with toy buildings, cars, and figures. Some hobbyists will only buy accessories that were manufactured by the same company who made their trains. This practice is most common among fans of Marx and Lionel. History Toy trains can be enjoyed by both children and adults. (Fair Use) The earliest toy trains date from the 19th century and were often made of cast iron. Motorized units running on track soon followed, powered by a steam or clockwork engine. Some of these trains used clever methods to whistle and smoke. Toy trains were revolutionized when Märklin, a German firm that specialized in doll house accessories, sought to create an equivalent toy for boys where a constant revenue stream could be ensured by selling add-on accessories for years after the initial purchase. In addition to boxed sets containing a train and track, Märklin offered extra track, rolling stock, and buildings sold separately, creating the predecessor to the modern model train layout featuring buildings and scenery in addition to an operating train. Electric trains followed, with the first appearing in 1897, produced by the U.S. firm Carlisle & Finch. As electricity became more common in the early 20th century, electric trains gained popularity and as time went on, these electric trains grew in sophistication, gaining lighting, the ability to change direction, to emit a whistling sound, to smoke, to remotely couple and uncouple cars and even load and unload cargo. Toy trains from the first half of the 20th century were often made of lithographed tin; later trains were often made mostly of plastic. Prior to the 1950s, there was little distinction between toy trains and model railroads-model railroads were toys by definition. Pull toys and wind-up trains were marketed towards children, while electric trains
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Wednesday's Witticism
Love your enemies, but keep your gun oiled.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA where petrol is at $2.75 (rounded) and the temps have been in the 70s (F). Ahhhhh, springtime!
Grap a cuppa Joe, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
Today is Juneau's 4th B'day! <woof>
Next week's Theme for the Day! is the Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O).
We've done it before, and it's time to see what else can be developed. Come early ‘n often!
Quite a nice turnout for the B&O as some familiar faces provided that shot in the arm requested . . . Thanx!
Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):
Mike at 8:03 PM yesterday: The return of Silent Mike with URLs!
Eric at 12:57 AM today: "The Investigator," sounds just about right to me . . . Lars "worried" about a lost "something," <a round thing????> Light on in the Penthouse Suite on a night when it shuddabeen locked tight ‘n vacant. Whispers and such between Ruth ‘n our Manager. A retrieved piece of "unmentionable" apparel with a VS "tag." A bottle of wine and . . .
Yes, there's suspicious activity going on . . .
I've been to Baltimore many, many times and failed to visit the B&O museum as well! In those times, trains were far back on the list of "things to do." But perhaps one day . . .
Interesting nighttime Pix . . .
Rob at 4:51 AM today: FOUR FIFTY ONE in the MORNING????? Say what????? Are you okay???? <geesh>
Pleased to see ya at any time, but that's gotta be a FIRST for getting online before the chickens have time to cluck.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, use the gold plated, custom made, and just a wee bit larger than the other dippers! <grin>
Oh fine, "Bag ‘n Gag" - now THAT will surely get the appetite juiced up! <ugh> Lord oh Lord, what have I done??!!
Yes, Eric should head up the "crack team" of Clueless ‘n Doyle. Perhaps we can get ‘em running in a direction other than circular!
Appreciate the visit!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good morning , Ruth. I know that you haven't "punched" in yet, whats that don't talk to you this early in the morning or get punched. Sheesh guess I'll get me own coffee I think. Actually I have one of those early morning meatings today ( and on my day off at that )Figured I would make sure that H&H were behaving. Apparently they they have ( to my dismay , started making prune danishes again vith a kick no less, I'm not sure I want to know what the kick is , something to do with high protien high carbs and Boris likes them ! <uh oh >)
Pete-Excellant recycling of da bosse's flood ligt ad. I wonder if it will cause the same old controversy this time around
Mike-Nice to see you round out the day with some fine urls always good to have input from several fronts. I've never been a big fan of the early EMC/EMD passenger cabs, but they look right in a B&O livery for some reason.
Eric-Those CP guys I'm thinking that since you were called/are called the investigator at work that maybe you should become part of inspector cluelesses team. What say you Herr captain Tom
Tom-Oh boy I get me dipper back, is it the gold plated one after all I do have to deal with and occationally touch H&H, health and saftey and all that. I figured that you would remember Kopperkettle once I reminded you of the extortionist pay scale Nick set up for him, money for Graph Zepplin service no money but food and lodging with Boris while part of the kitchen staff.
Doug-I figured that you would sneak in on a theme day, we weren't dissapointed
Well I'll return later , remember the daily speacials are always posted under the "Bag and gag" or guess the mess categories. As always I strongly suggest that you stick to the numbered fare, unless you have the constituion of an ox or a well funded health plan
Good evening/Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, just a cup of coffee! I know, but that is enough for me tonight! You'll keep the change! Anything new to tell me? Quiet, huh?
Quite a bit to read tonight! As expected about Baltimore & Ohio! Even James made it in today!
Tom – I don’t know where the trail is leading, it all depends on what I will find out about, hmm, our Manager and miss Ruth. She is a miss, isn’t she?8 days sounds like just right for a long train ride. No rush, have a lot of fun, which you obviously did!B&O! Again I learned something new! The Columbian was the first air-conditioned passenger train in North America! May 24, 1931. Maybe it was the first in the world! The entire article is very interesting. I really didn’t know that much about B&O. Now I know more!CM3 – Quite a few railroads that became parts of B&O over the years! 26 different railroads!!Checking the list of coal mines in West Virginia, the entire state must be a huge crater with just a few patches with some green stuff on them! How many of those mines are still in operation today? Lars – The Investigator, that is actually what they call me at work. One of my duties is to investigate bad parts returned by customers to see why those parts turned bad. Many times it is actually caused by the customer and then I have to prove it. It is kind of like figuring out what “round thing” you lost a few days ago and why the light was on in the Penthouse suite! Very nice book covers and interesting books behind them!! The last one, “Sand Patch”, seems to be most interesting! C&O vs. PRR! James – Welcome back! I hope all that snow has melted away by now. Nice pictures of B&O locomotives! I spent a lot of time in Washington D.C. 1992-93 but never made it to Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Museum! Shame on me! DL – Buffalo is about 400 miles from New York City. Rob – Thanks for the info on LEDR! The comments about France actually came from some of the CP people (from Toronto) on the train. Pete – Form D could be filled in over the radio. If I recall right those Swedish freight cars that were running between Sweden and UK had at that kind of hose that was used for the vacuum brakes beside the normla trainline. I’ll see if I can find out more info on that. I remember I read about Strata-Dome cars with floodlights! Must have been nice to ride in the dark in one of those!Mike – Thanks for the round! Nice pictures including a number of Blacksburg/VT pictures from happier days than right now!
Not B&O but at least Baltimore!
Eric
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Pittsburgh
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EMC EA
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National Limited postcard
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Mike
CM3 Shane at 8:43 AM ‘n 12:28 PM today: Data dump, data dump! Only kidding - for awhile there I thought 20 Fingers "his self" had returned. <phew> <grin> Figgered you'd have a "bunch" of B&O material - coal related, what else, eh
Many THANX for pickin' up on my "noon or thereabouts' request!
Appreciate the two visits - two rounds - two "sets" of quarters and supportive material!
Lars at 9:10 AM today: Great, great book covers and you're correct - I don't recall seeing them before.
Hope you've met with success in getting your bookings for the Florida trip. There are times when the "old ways" somehow actually serve us far better than what we've become accustomed to. You're not the only "OLD guy" in the crowd! <grin>
I know this trip isn't for "fun ‘ games" and spending big bucks isn't always a joy to behold! Wish the both of you best of luck in your hunt for that "dream" getaway home away from home! Be sure to let us know when you're planning to be gone, as we need to get barn weevil Doug cranked in to his NEW JOB as Assistant Manager!! <uh oh>
James at 9:32 AM today: Good to see ya again, young fella! Seems you missed the biggest event of the year and I surely hope you get ‘round to wishing "Our" Place a well deserved greeting.
Don't have a clue regarding the rework of those B&O heavyweights, but perhaps one or two of the guys may. We used to have a B&O aficionado with us, but he's long departed. A good topic for some research on the web - surely the answer is "out there" in the ETHER!
Nice B&O material - thanx!
DL at 10:33 AM ‘n 10:37 AM today: Buffalo is one of those places one can't get to from here - if in New York City that is. There is no direct route - must take the northerly highway to Albany, hook a left on the New York Thruway and drive, drive, drive ‘til you find the exit. Distance? Over 400 miles from "the city" to Buffalo. An interesting bit of trivia is that the New York Thruway pretty much follows the route of the Erie Canal. But that's another subject . . .
We used to have a resident California rails expert with us, but alas, he's departed the bar. Perhaps West Coast S Dave will pick up on your San Francisco question regarding a rail connection. Yes, rail service did indeed get to San Francisco, but according to what I've read and experienced, the major rail links wound up in Oakland where passenger ferry service across the bay to SFran was the preferred mode of travel. Again, I'm hardly the left coast guy - perhaps we can get one or two others to look into this.
Thanx to YOU, my bride 'n I enjoyed a fine movie the other night - The World's Fastest Indian. Bought the DVD and thoroughly enjoyed it. The Emporium Theatre has some "goodies," eh
Good to see ya again!
Rob at 4:25 PM today: Ah yes, now I remember Kopperkettle! Nick pretty much ‘dumped' him on us in one of his rare moments and I didn't pick up on it right away. Then there he was! I know he's an UNPAID kitchen staffer - works for food ‘n drink. However, he picks up quite a "fee" from the Graf Spee Zeppelin Service, Ltd when he ferries those exotic brews to us from "the continent."
And yes, I figger the B&O will continue for at least a day or two more . . .
Appreciate the daylight visit from Count Robulla and now that you're back on the payroll, I suppose we should let you have "your" dipper back for the upstairs tub! <grin>
Pete at 5:08 PM today: A super Post, chock full o' info for the guys - well done, Mate! By the by, I received your Email response . . .
I've been avoiding Molly Throttlebottom ever since she "suggested" that "arrangement." Don't need such things comin' my way, so I've "delegated" it to Lars!! <uh oh> Once they meet, well - who knows, eh
Thanx for the URLs and the Encore! of my B&O "flood light" ad . . .
Doug at 6:59 PM today: A surprise visit, but most welcome! Strongly urge you to REVIEW the past Pages as YOU have been DRAFTED! Also still waiting for the RECOGNITION!!! <grrrrrrrrr>
Thanx for stopping by . . . .
See y'all in the AM . . . . Leon set 'em up and Boris, ring the bell!
Evening Tom and gents. Please forgive the absence of this unworthy one. I'll have a shot of paint thinner, as I'm starting to think that paint is running in my veins anymore. Please chip everyone who contributed a B&O article today. I will need to get something together myself, which I will do very soon. Busy days for this wicked boy. I'll tell you more about them in my next post.
Terrific stuff guys. I need to run and return to give them the attention they deserve.
A pint of Bathams and a round for the house please RUTH
Another good theme day, this time the B&O.
ROB Thanks for the Classic Steam #19 encore. I wonder if Hiram Walker was any relation to the Walker's famous whiskey distillers from Scotland .It said that grand railway building was going to be turned in to condos etc but keeping the same outward appearance, I wonder if this happened. Good news the distillery still uses rail..
Thanks for the kind words; I am still working on the named locos of the LNER. Real glad you are to take the head job. It is good to hear of KOPPERKETTLE again he does a great job bring the beer from across the pond in the Zeppelin, although I know he still misses NICK.
In the Kansas City Star it told about 10 old KC. Streetcars owned by a gentleman in Pennsylvania. Here is a link to the story
http://www.kansascity.com/501/story/72845.html
Also in the story, it gave this link to a great photo album of KC cars and work cars. There are a lot of photos and I will have to go back later for a better look.
http://www.davesrailpix.com/kcmo/kcmo.htm
ERIC Thanks for the info on the train pipes. In the UK the trains were vacuum braked in steam days in my time. With just the brake pipe and a steam heat hose if the loco was fitted to supply steam heat.
It was interesting to see the movement order, were they filled before the train left or could they be filled in over the radio.
JAMES Good to see you back in.
I see Milwaukee Road steam loco # 261 is coming to Duluth. Here is a link to the locomotive.
http://www.261.com/
DL Glad you liked the post on the LMS names, still working on the LNER ones, and then I will have a look at the early diesels names
Thanks for the info on the Victoria, glad the still have a ‘Drinker's Bar' and Beeston station.
Helston did have a station at one time. We when were there we had a look for the place where the station was but could not find any signs. It was on the end of a GWR branchline. I have found this link to the Blue Anchor.
http://telematics.ex.ac.uk/realcornwall/foodanddrink/spingo_simon.htm
There are TWO Royal Scot class loco preserved. Royal Scot is being overhauled to running condition; the loco is based at Bressingham Museum in Norfolk. I believe the boiler is away being got into steamable condition. The other ‘Scot' preserved is No 6115 Scot's Guardsman, this loco is not in running condition and I have not heard lately what is happening with the loco. 6115 was the last Scot in BR service and was bought straight from BR. It was based at the, sadly now closed, Dinting Railway Centre The Loco did run only a couple of main line specials in the mid 1970s, I was fortunate to be on one of these when we had her from York to Manchester via Sheffield and the Hope Valley line.. I have never known a loco throw as many sparks as she did
A great loco it will be great to see one back on the main line again.
I believe it was the GWR King class loco No 6000 that went to the B&O Centenary Exhibition. I will try to find a link to the photo of the bell the loco was presented with and still carries.
TOM I received your two E-Mails and set a reply yesterday afternoon. I will copy it and send it again after I post this.
I hope CINDY doesn't find out about the ‘candlelit' dinner with Miss Molly Throttlebottom. You should have a good evening but don't go into the storeroom with her if she as got her cane, although BORIS seemed to look forward to it
It is good that some of your old photos have survived, where mine went was a mystery, although they were not of a very good quality it would have been good to have them still.
It will be good to talk about your 1953 trip at the rendezvous
Really enjoying the B&O day. Many thanks TOM, for the Cincinnatian and the Columbian and their consists. It is good the La Paz car was saved. CM3 for the lines that went into the B&O
Afternoon Ruth, I'll just grab a Keith's and leave a twenty to pick up a round for later.
Well good to see another theme day off and runing again, some pretty good reading and looking from what I ahve seen so far.
Tom-Yup the dentist said that that tooth didn't want to leave, he asked me If I wanted it but I told him to donate it to medical science. left a crater the size of I don't know what in my mouth though I do so love the mush diet. Nice piece of wiork to get us rolling this morning. I figure that the B&O should keep us going for a couple of days. Their passenger trains and steamers alone could take up pages of info. I guess I will need to reintroduce Mr Kopperkettle,another waif from time that Sir Nick left us with. I'll just say that if the girls, lista speacial on the menu board make sure your health insurance is paid up.
Lars-Happy landings, now don't get too sunburnt while you are away. Nice book covers as always as well sir As menioned at some point in the far distant past Mr Kopperkettle is an Aztec refugee that Nick dragged in right before the old page shut down. He does odd jobs around the kitchen and was trained in the gentler arts of Zepplin Flying by H&H. Normally you'll see him hanging about with Boris unloading the food service cars behind the bar.
James-Good to see you abck in again, nice photo's to compliment the B&O theme today as well. The Booze line trackage that's left actually is still owned and run by the CSX, they use the CN and CP as interchange roads as they are landlocked now where they are. Cheaper than trackage rights. The distillery is still very busy as is the oil and chemical spurs they run at Sarnia. At least four unit trains dedicated to the plants a week still.
DL-I'm glad you liked the Booze line story. It's one of the more colourfull lines in Southwestern Ontario to be sure. You are right about the climate we restore and operate our equipment in. We purposly don't run any service in november and December. Most of the cars don't have heating in them anyway so the trips would be unpleasant for the visiters. And the part of Rurual Milton we are in does get quite a bit of snow coverage. Just about a foot over the railhead this past winter !
Eric-The LEDR ran roughl;y Northwest from Windsor but connected through to Chatham and Sarnia as well with ti's branch lines. They didn't enetr Windsor yard as you remember it insteadt they interchanged in Walkerville outside of town near the preasant day VIA station.As Topm mentione dvery few in Quebec feel any family ties to France, just for themselves for the most part.
CM3-Two great B&O posts from you today. they really gave the feel of the RR.
Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
A couple of more B&O items. IIRC, I ran both of these on the old page, but...
First is a piece of slumbercoach advertising, second related to one of the mainstays of the B&O - coal.
Thrifty Travelers
Sleep ‘n Save
At low coach fares in B&O's Private Room
Slumbercoaches
Between
Baltimore
Washington
Cincinnati
St. Louis
And certain Texas points
Comfort and privacy at bargain coach fares
(Plus moderate space charge)
Single and double rooms
Soft armchairs
Comfortable full length beds
Solid sliding door with mirror
Private toilet facilities
Crib for infants
B&O Form A-90m 10/29/61
West Virginia Coal Mines - 1950
Baltimore and Ohio
Albright Coal
Albright Mine - Albright, WV
Alsted Coal Co.
Gypsy Mine - Gypsy, WV
Alvarez Coal Co.
Lamberts Run Mine - Meadowbrook, WV
Atlas Engineering Co.
Roberta No. 2 Mine - Century, WV
Barnes Coal Co.
Dawson Mine - Dawmont, WV
Beckley Coal & Coke Co.
Beckley No. 1 Mine - Richwood, WV
Bethlehem Collieries Corp. (WV)
Barrackville No. 41 Mine - Barrackville, WV (Captive tonnage)
Richard No. 21 Mine - Sabraton, WV
Bethlehem Fairmont Coal Co.
Scott No. 2 Mine - Shinnston, WV
Bitner Fuel Co.
Goodhue Mine and McCanns Run Mine - Jane Lew, WV
Blaser Fuel Co.
Blaser Mine - Tunnelton, WV
L.H. and J.W. Borgman, Inc.
Monitor Mine - Tunnelton, WV
Bower Mine, Inc.
Daft Mine - Daft, WV (Taylor County)
Bretz Fuel Co.
Margaret No. 2 Mine - Bretz, WV (Preston County)
Brown Fuel Co.
Henshaw Mine - Henshaw, WV (Barbour County)
Buckhannon River Coal
Adrian Mine - Adrian, WV (Upshur County)
Burke Coal Co.
Carol Mine - Grasselli, WV
James P. Burns, Jr.
Dola Mine - Dola, WV (Harrison County)
C&C Coal Co.
Penn Dola No. 2 Mine - Lumberport, WV
Cain Coal Co.
Bower Mine - Bower, WV (Braxton County)
Casella Coal Co.
Shamrock Mine - Buckhannon, WV
Central States Construction Co
Geraldine Mine - Richwood, WV
Chemical Coal Company
LeMoyne Mine - LeMoyne, WV (Clay County)
Rainbow Mine - LeMoyne, WV
Clark Coal Company
Junior No. 7 Mine - Everson, WV (B&O)/Chiefton, WV - WM
L.E. Cleghorn
Cleghorn Mine - Lost Creek, WV
Coal Service Corporation
Chieftan & Mars Mine - Wilsonburg, WV (Harrison County)
Pontiac Mine - Hoard, WV - B&O/Monongahela River
Columbia Coal Co.
Columbia Mine - Clarksburg, WV
Compass Coal Co. (Affiliated with Clinchfield Coal Corp.)
Compass Mine - Overfield, WV (Barbour County)
Consolidation Coal (WV) Division of Pittsburgh Consolidation Coal Co.
Consolidation No. 25 Mine - Consolidation No. 25 Mine, WV (Harrison County)
Consolidation No. 32 Mine - Consolidation No. 32 Mine, WV (Harrison County)
Consolidation Mine No. 38 - Consol No. 38 Mine, WV (Marion County)
Consolidation No. 63 Mine - Consol No. 63 Mine, WV (Marion County)
Consolidation No. 97 Mine - Consol No. 97 Mine, WV (Marion County) - B&O/Monongahela
Corona Coal Co., Inc.
Corona Mine - Hepzibah, WV (Harrison County)
Cosner Coal Co.
Cosner Mine - Tunnelton, WV
Crichton Co.
Berryburg Mine - Berryburg, WV (Barbour County)
Cromling & Harold Co.
Barry Mine - Monongah, WV
Daugherty Coal Co.
Daughertys Mine - Terra Alta, WV
Delmont Peerless Coal
Delmont No. 11 Mine - Summersville, WV
Eastern Gas & Fuel Associates
Federal No. 1 Mine - Grant Town, WV (Mongahela/B&O)
Donegan Coal & Coke Co.
Donegan Nos. 2,3, and 3A Mines - Fenwick, WV (Nicholas County)
Eleanor Coal Co.
Barbour Mine - Berryburg, WV
Elk Coal Co.
Ella Mine - Adrian, WV (Upshur County)
Elk Lick Coal Co,
Gauley No. 2 Mine - Gauley River No. 2, WV (Webster County)
Elwood Company
Penn No. 1 Mine - Haywood, WV (Harrison County)
Ex-Cell Coal Co.
Laura Lee Mine - Lumberport, WV
Fairfax Mining Company
Arthurdale Mine - Reedsville, WV (Preston County)
Fairpoint Construction Co.
Bridgeport Strip - Bridgeport, WV
Fairland Fuel Corp
Katherine Mine - Lumberport, WV
Frances Mining Co.
Frances Mine - Frances, WV (Monongalia County)
Freeport Gas Coal Co.
Hilltop Mine - Nutter Fort, WV
Hilltop Mine No. 1 - Robey, WV (Harrison County, WV)
Hilltop Mine No. 2 - Wolf Summit, WV (Harrison County)
Gauley Eagle Coal & Coke Co.
Gauley Eagle No. 2 Mine - Muddlety, WV
Gauley Mountain Coal Comapny
Williams Mine - Johnson Run, WV (Webster County)
Gilmer Fuel Co., Inc.
Jon Tee Mine - Gilmer, WV
Grafton Coal Co.
Pepper Mine - Brownton, WV (Barbour County)
Gregory & Poole
Gregory No. 3 Mine - Wolf Summit, WV
Haywood Coal Co.
Haywood Mine - Haywood, WV (Harrison County)
Highland Coal Co.
Highland No. 1 Mine - Stonewood, WV (Harrison County)
Hitchman Coal & Coke Co. (Controlled by Tasa Coal Company)
Hitchman Mine - Benwood WV
Hodgeville Industrial Coals, Inc.
Lona No. 1 Mine - Buckhannon, WV
Houck Reidler Bros Coal Mining Co.
Lopuis Mine - Tunnelton, WV
Indian Coal Co.
Volga No. 1 Mine - Volga, WV (Barbour County)
Isaac Creek Coal Co. Inc.
Linda No. 1 Mine - Dola, WV (Harrison County)
Jamison Coal & Coke Co.
Jamison No. 9 Mine - Farmington, WV
Jay-Arr Coal Co.
Jay-Arr No. 1 Mine - Berryburg, WV
N.T. Jenkins Coal Co.
Ridge No. 1 Mine - Hammond, WV (Taylor County)
Jenkins Mine - Phillipi, WV
Jenks Bros. Coal Co.
Eagle No. 1 Mine - Hepzibah, WV (Harrison County)
Elwood M. Jenks Coal Co.
Orchard Mine - Piggott Siding, WV (Harrison County)
Joanne Coal Co.
Joanne Mine - Rachel, WV (Marion County)
Johnstown Coal & Coke Co. (Wva)
Crichton No. 4 Mine - Panther Gulch, WV
Jones Bros. Coal Co.
Cobb No. 1 Mine - Queen Shoals, WV
Kingwood Coal Co.
Miller No. 3 Mine - Kingwood, WV
Klink Coal Co.
Eleanor Mine - Lowsville, WV (B&O/Monongahela)
Kray Coal Co., Inc.
Ream Mine - Howesville, WV (Preston County) (B&O/WVN)
Lee Coal Co.
Queen No. 1 Mine - Buckhannon, WV
Lockview Coal Co.
Lockview Mine - Board, WV (Monongalia County)
Mard Coal & Coke Corp.
Mard Nos. 1 & 2 Mine - Tioga, WV (Nicholas County)
Marra Coal Co.
Hartley No. 1 Mine - Brownton, WV (Barbour County)
Martin Coal Co.
Halfway Mine - Simpson, WV (Marion County?)
Maryland-Century Coal Co.
Century No. 1 Mine - Century, WV (Barbour County)
Mason Bros. Coal Co.
Crystal Ice Mine - Grafton, WV
Webster No. 1 Mine - Webster, WV
Maureen Coal Co.
Cliff Mine - Meadowbrook, WV
Maust Coal & Coke Co.
Donegan No. 8 Mine - Cowen, WV (CRB&L/B&O)
Mount Hope Coal Company
Sterling-Sewell mine - Holcomb, WV (Nicholas County)
Mountain Fuel Co.
Glen Cambria Mine - Flemington, WV (Taylor County)
Mountain State Coal Co.
Mountain State Mine - Bickmore, WV (Clay County)
Murphy Creek Coal Co.
Murphy Mine - Weston,WV
Nancy Jane Coal Co.
Nancy Jane Mine - Trowbridge, WV (Preston County)
National Mines Corp.
Weirton Mine - (Captive) Morgantown, WV (B&O/Monongahela and Ohio Rivers)
Osborne Bros.
Osborne Mine - Hartland, WV (Clay County)
Panther Coal Co. of W. Va.
Panther No. 5 & 6 Mine - Panther No. 5 Mine, WV (Near Marybill _ Nicholas County)
Pardee & Curtin Lumber Co.
Arthur Mine - Lost Creek, WV
Bergoo No. 6 - Jerryville, WV
Bolair Mine - Bolair, WV
Pecks Run Coal Co.
Kano Mine - Pecks Run, WV (Upshur County)
Philippi Coal Corp.
Redrock Mine - Buckhannon, WV
Pickens Peerless Coal
Pickens Mine - Pickens, WV
Polino & Welling, Inc.
Welling Mine - Masontown, WV
Premar Coal Co.
Monitor No. 2 & 4 Mines - West End, WV (Tunnelton - Preston County)
Preston County Cole Co.
Cascade Mine - Cascade, WV (Preston County)
Hawley No. 1 Mine - Hawley, WV
Reppert Coal Mining Co. (Controlled by Reppert Coals, , Inc.)
Eagle No. 2 Mine - Dola, WV
Rich Sewell Coal & Coke Co.
Donegan No. 7 Mine - Jerryville, WV
Richwood Sewell Coal Co.
Burton Mine - Summersville, WV
Righter Valley Coal Co.
Righter Mine - Lost Creek, WV
Robey Run Coal Co.
Ruby Mine - Harrison Couny
Rochester & Pittsburgh Coal Co.
O' Donnell Mine - Four States, WV (Marion County)
Ross Construction Co.
Delmar No. 1 Mine - Flemington, WV (Taylor County)
Ruthbell Coal Corp.
Deep Hollow Mine - Albright, WV
Sandy Creek Coal Co.
Carolyn Mine - Carolyn, WV (Preston County)
Sewell Coal and Coke Co.
Royal No. 4 Mine - Curtain, WV (Nicholas County)
Shinnston Coal Co.
Hood Mine - Shinnston, WV
Sigley Coal Co.
Sigley Mine - Tunnelton, WV
Silvester Bros. Coal Co.
Coalton No. 1 Mine - Coalton, WV (Randolph County)
Simpson Creek Collieries Company, Inc.
Galloway No. 3 Mine - Flemington, WV
Slussar Coal Co.
Division Rin Mine - Ramp, WV (Harrison County)
Stanley Coal Co.
Banner No. 1 Mine - Hutton, Md (Mine was in Preston County, WV)
Stoetzer Coal Co.
Robert Mine - Shinnston, WV
Sullivan Trail Coal Co.
Mary Ann Mine - Buckhannon, WV
Sunnyhill Mining Co.
Sunnyhill No. 6 Tipple - Sunnyhill, WV
B.H. Swaney, Inc.
Erie No. 1 Mine - Erie, WV (Harrison County)
Erie No. 2 Mine - Oral, WV (Harrison County)
Tasa Coal Co.
Canyon Mine - Lake Lynn, PA
Tasa No. 7 Mine - Lost Creek WV
Keeley No. 1 Mine - Clarksburg, WV
Empire Mine - Clements, WV
Taylor & McMillen Coal Co.
Taylor Mine - Masontown, WV
Three Fork Coal Co.
Cassity No. 2 Mine - Cassity, Middle Fork, WV
Tuckahoe Mining Co., Inc.
Tuckahoe Strips - Century, WV (Barbour County)
Tunnelton Cooperative Coal Co.
Tunnelton Mine - Tunnelton, WV
United Coals, Inc.
United Mine - Clifford Siding, WV (Nicholas County)
Valley Camp Coal Co,
Alexander Mine - Moundsville, WV
Valley Camp No. 1 Mine - Elm Grove, WV
Valley Camp No. 3 Mine - Elm Grove, WV
Valley Camp No. 5 Mine - Elm Grove, WV
Valley Camp No. 7 Mine - Elm Grove, WV (?)
Virginia Coal Co.
Joyce Mine - Mt. Clare, WV
Joyce No. 2 Mine - Byron, WV
Virginia & Pittsburgh Coal & Coke Co.
Kingmont Mine - Kingmont, Wv
Morgan Mine - Hite and Rivesville, WV (B&O/MON)
W&H Coal Co.
Gum Mountain Mine - Century, WV
Wendel Coal Co., Inc.
Wendel Mine - Wendel, WV (Taylor County)
West Fork Collieries, Inc.
Vincent No. 4 Mine - Monongah, WV
West Virginia Coal & Coke Corporation
Norton Mine - Norton, WV
West Virginia Coal and Transportation Co.
Jeanne Anne No. 1 Mine - West Columbia, WV (B&O), Pomery, OH (C&O)
Jeanne Anne No. 6 Mine (C&O/B&O)
Jeanne Anne No. 7 Mine (C&O/B&O)
Jeanne Anne No 8 Mine (C&O/B&O)
Phil Williams Coal Co.
Williams Mine - Mabie, WV (Randolph County)
Woodstock Coal Co., Inc.
Hart No. 1 Mine - Mabie, WV
Woolridge Coal Mining Co.
Sewell Chief Mine - Holcomb, Curtin, WV
Zinn Brothers Co. Inc.
Zinn No. 12 Mine - Masontown, WV (?)
Another coffee please.
Re my last post - those two bits on the end re Pete / Rob - shouldn't been there - must have been on my WP page from preparing it - as you'll guess I pasted stuff down there as an aide memoir to things I wanted to ask / say - which is why they repeat points in the main post! You guys know what I mean anyway... I'm sure you'll forgive a 'regular' for talking non sense.
Best wishes
DL
Hello Tom and all in
Pancake breakfast please, coffee and juice too please.
Well, I've spent a lot of time checking out that Buffalo Central Station site (can't recall who posted it - was it you Eric) - amazing really - remarkable that group of volunteers was prepared to take it on - what a massive site. Gives a real idea of the scale of train travel back in the day. I can't think of a British Station of that size, scale and grandeur from that period of construction (although some European ones come to mind). Some really interesting pictures up there. Also a real tragedy that it was more or less in decent condition in the late 1970s, which was not so long back, and then descended into a wreck pretty quickly.
Just so I can get an idea, how far is Buffalo from NY City?
Pete: Victoria in Beeston is pub worth getting off the train for - superb beer and great food with a beer garden next to the tracks. Only problem is that it has got so popular with diners that you get far too many of what I call the ‘wine drinking classes' - no problem with them per se - they just need to realise a pub is a pub, not a restaurant! It recognition of this, and to the pubs credit - they keep one bar where no food is served and it stays as a ‘drinkers bar' which is good.
Beeston station retains its old buildings, and they have done some work to fix the roof glazing and such recently - not a proper restoration but at least an improvement - sadly although it is staffed the staff don't seem to do much work clearing up the litter and keeping the place as tidy as it should be, but at least it has not been replaced by a bus shelter.
Helston - I've not been there before - did not realise the bus went nearby - so I'll make a note of that pub and try and check it out. No station there I don't think. We have 4 days to explore the area, some hiking is intended too.
Can I just ask about that Royal Scot picture - I did not realise any of the class was preserved so do you know where that one is?
Great work on the LMS naming - some interesting stuff that was news to me.
By the way - what happened to your old B&W pics - you must have regretted losing them - just a passage of time thing I guess?
Doug - enjoyed your Metra outings - sadly I can't view your pics (It is a browser problem as Tom suggested in the past) but the descriptions are good. I've enjoyed Metra trips when I've been in Chicago and should make a point of exploring the system more. I took the line out to Lake Forest (UP North Line) to visit a friend and also out to Schaumberg on the MD-W line where we stayed with relatives. I'd like to spend more time exploring the system some day.
Rob - certainly take your point about restoration / renovation. Nice to hear you have good inside storage for most of your stuff - vital in the sorts of climate you have to deal with I would have thought. Interesting post on the Booze Line too.
Tom - I forgot your St Louis rendezvous was the same month as the Canada trip - there will no doubt be a lot to report in due course. I'll look forward to it.
Nice film choice too - Vertigo is one of my favourites - when I was in San Fran I checked out most of the film locations with the help of a great website I found. Many were of course easy to spot, and the house that features - is this Scotty's house? (which I think I recall is on the zig zag street) Is there and easily recognizable.
Incidentally - did rails ever go into San Francisco (surely they must have done) - as of course when we got on / off the Amtrak zephyr it was necessary to take the road coach connection from the pier building area?
Also - in a spooky connection I was actually watching In Which We Serve on video last week. I think the info our visitor friend provided is as I understand the situation. Mountbatten was charged with the responsibility of overseeing the British Exit from India soon after the war, and was killed in an IRA assassination in the 1970s.
Well, I wait to learn some stuff on B&O theme day (or rather review the stuff now up since I preped this on the wp). I think the LMS railway of the UK sent a locomotive to their century of progress exhibition, but I'm hoping Pete will know more about that than I do and set out some info.
All the best
PS nice pics from James - I can see them fine.
Pete
Do you still have those photos of your scout jamboree trip from 1953, did you take any photos of the trains . Unfortunately my black and white pics from the steam days were lost many years ago.
Rob - relly interesting info on the Booze Line
G-day Tom and all present!
Ruth- Nice to see you on this sunny morning. I think I will have a coffee and one of those wonderful pastries. Thanks
Well, I'm back and ready for makeup. I will start on the current page and work my way back.
Tom- Good to see you again. I heard about the tech school shooting and my sympathy goes out to the families who have been affected by this terrible occurrence.
I was looking at the capitol limited as part of the theme of the day, and I was surprised that it was quite a nice looking train. And then I learned that Amtrak's own Capitol limited was inaugurated in 1981. Some interesting info. Thanks. Also learned about the Cincinnatian's heavy weight cars. I didn't know they completely rebuilt the heavy weights. I would think that you wouldn't bother doing that but I guess they turned out nice since people thought they were as good as any other car. Interesting stuff. Do you know why they did this and what the significance of it was Great looking logos and pictures. Good start for theme.
Rob- Good to see you back!! I saw some of your earlier posts and they're looking good. But I will get to those later. Very interesting article on the Booze line. It surprising to see that one of its bigger services was a distillery... Of course we need to keep the guys around here happy... Anyway.. It was also interesting to read how it served all of these grain elevators and coal fields. To bad most of the LEDR is gone. But I see they still serve the distillery under new ownership of the CN and CP. Good article, very much enjoyed it. Hope to here from you soon.
Well, now it's time for some pictures.
Here is an E-1. These were used on the Capitol limited as dipicted in Tom'smpost above this. They are a nice looking locomotive in the blue and white. They also had a unique design to there nose with head light mounted inside the nose. Very nice photo. B&O 51, Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Museum, Baltimore, MD, March 27, 1981, Photo by Ray L. Fanz. Built by Electro-Motive Corp. in 1937, (GM). Model EA, 1800 h.p. passenger.
B&O 50, McCook, IL, EMD, September, 1972, Electro-Motive Corp. (EMC preceded EMD) model AA (1,800-hp Class DP-1) passenger locomotive. A very historic diesel locomotive, the first passenger road locomotive not articulated to its train. Placed in Royal Blue service (Jersey City - Washington DC.) on 8/22/35, it was transferred to Abraham Lincoln service (Chicago - St. Louis) on B&O subsidiary Alton in 4/36. Following the B&O-Alton breakup, Alton bought it in 5/43. Following WWII, it became GM&O #1200 and served in local freight service and on the Joliet commuter train. It was retired in 1956
And something a bit out of the passenger services. This is an Alco RSD-15. Another one of the nicer looking Alco locomotives. Photo by John Ruhl, April 1, 1972
Enjoy!
HAppy railroading
James
Ahoy Cap'n Tom 'n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth, my deAH, set 'em up and I'll take a HUGE mug o' steaming Joe with a "jolt" and a #3 from the menu board. Treats for the crittAHs and include Boris in that too!
It is WET, WET, WET and soggy thrown in for good measure. <yuck> Been having a bad time of it trying to get on to the site, my typing is doing that "delayed" thing and I've had to reboot 3 times so far. Once more and I'm outta here!
I've gotta head over to Newark Airport this day and see about getting us off to Florida. Blasted phones aren't being cooperative, plus I've always had better luck with the ticket agents at the airport. Yeah, I know, sounds archaic, but that's me these days! <groan>
Eric the Investigator, huh???? Why not! Come catch us if you CAN!
Congrats to you trolleyMAN Rob on accepting the Chief Chef's job. I KNEW we could hornswaggle convince you to do it! I do HOPE you can keep those "gals" of yours squared away, they are rather intimidating, even to an ole sailor such as me! <grin> Kopperkettle??? Who in bloody blue blazes is THAT???
Let me acknowledge the B&O posts from Cap'n Tom - Rob - Shane B4 I get going . . .
Some book covers that I've not provided along the way . . .
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.
The B&O has long been a player in West Virginia. Here is some corporate hisotry re the B&O which shows how much of it was stitched together over the years from many smaller roads. Some of the names may not be familiar to you, but many are. I'll try an dpost some more later today. A B&O system map and a colored pencil will help you figure out what was where.
B&O Corporate Lineage
Parent Company: Baltimore and Ohio Railroad
Central Ohio Railroad - Leased by the B&O in 1866. Sandusky, Mansfield, and Newark Railroad leased by B&O through Central Ohio RR in 1869. These leases extended the B&O line to Sandusky, OH.
Pittsburgh and Connellsville RR - Incorporated in 1837 and absorbed by the B&O in the mid to late 1860s. Opened for traffic in 1871, this line gave the B&O access to Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh Junction RR - Connected P&C and the Pittsburgh and Western. The PJ gave Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh passenger trains access to the B&O station at Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh and Western RR - Formed the first leg of the B&O west of Pittsburgh. This was a rod formed from a series of narrow gauge lines which were converted to standard gauge - the B&O took over the P&W in 1902.
Salisbury RR - A short line in Pennsylvania officially taken over by the B&O in 1912. Connected with the P&C.
Somerset and Cambria RR - Absorbed by the B&O in 1879, later merged into the B&O. This line became the B&O between Rockwood and Johnstown, PA.
Buffalo Valley RR - Connected with P&C at Garrett, PA. Absorbed into the B&O in 1880.
Marietta and Cincinnati RR - Acquired by the B&O in 1882 and name changed to Cincinnati, Washington and Baltimore RR and changed again in 1889 when the CW&B became the Baltimore and Southwestern RR. The B&OSW was officially added to the B&O in 1900.
The B&OSW took over the Ohio and Mississippi RR in 1893 which gave the B&O a through line to St. Louis.
West Virginia and Pittsburgh RR - Operated between Clarksburg and Weston, WV; leased by the B&O in 1890 and formally acquired in 1912. This line provided access to coal and lumber in northern WV.
Monongahela River RR - Operated between Fairmont and Clarksburg, WV - leased to B&O in 1900 and purchased outright in 1912.
Ohio River RR - Operated between Benwood and Kenova, WV via Parkersburg and Huntington, WV. Purchased outright by B&O in 1912 after the B&O had operated the line since 1901.
Morgantown and Kingwood RR - Operated between Rowlesburg and Kingwood, WV. Bought by the B&O in 1920
Coal and Coke RR - Bought by B&O in 1919
Columbus and Cincinnati Midland RR - Leased to Central Ohio RR in 1890.
Staten Island Rapid Transit RR - Stock purchased by B&O in 1885. B&O assumed control in 1889. The SIRT gave the B&O access to New York Harbor. Trains north of Park Jct. were handled by the RDG and CRRofNJ through trackage rights.
Ohio and Little Kanawha RR - Operated between Zanesville and Marietta, OH - swallowed by the B&O in 1909.
Cleveland Terminal and Valley RR - Gave B&O entry to Cleveland, OH. Purchased outright by B&O in 1915.
Cleveland, Lorain and Wheeling RR - Incorporated 1883, taken over in 1909 by the B&O, sold to B&O in 1915.
Baltimore and Ohio Chicago Terminal RR (BOCT) - Formerly Chicago Terminal Transfer Co. Reorganized in 1910 as BOCT.
Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton RR - Under B&O control by 1912.
Cincinnati, Indianapolis and Western RR - Separated for CH&D and absorbed by B&O in 1927.
Dayton and Union RR - Operated from Dayton to Union City, OH - had trackage right over the PRR - B&O took it over in 1919.
Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh RR - Absorbed by the B&O in 1932.
Buffalo and Susquehanna RR - Absorbed by B&O in 1932.
Alton RR - Originally Chicago and Alton RR, purchased by B&O in 1931 and renamed Alton RR. B&O allowed Alton bonds to default and the road, after going bankrupt was sold to the GM&O in 1932.
Now arriving on Track Number One -
Theme for the Day - Number Twelve
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O)
Some named trains of the B&O
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.
Capitol Limited (B&O)
Train No. 5 The Capitol Limited, arrives in Chicago, Illinois on August 11, 1939.
The Capitol Limited was a passenger train run by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, using the B&O's tracks between Union Station in Washington, DC and Grand Central Station in Chicago, Illinois via Pittsburgh. It was discontinued on May 1, 1971, when Amtrak took over passenger operations from the B&O.
In 1981, Amtrak's own Capitol Limited was inaugurated, using the same tracks east of Pittsburgh.
"Drumhead" logos such as these often adorned the ends of observation cars on the Capitol Limited.
Cincinnatian
"Drumhead" logos such as these often adorned the ends of observation cars on the Cincinnatian.
The Cincinnatian was a named passenger train operated by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. The B&O inaugurated service on January 19, 1947, with service between Baltimore, Maryland and Cincinnati, Ohio.
These cars, unlike previously re-built cars from the Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare shops, were fully streamlined, the heavyweight cars stripped to the frame and re-built completely. Many felt these cars were as good as any cars built by the big three car builders AC&F, Budd, or P/S. The quality of the workmanship was unquestioned, but some of the interior décor was a little dated for that period. The new Cincinnatians entered service January 19, 1947 behind streamlined Presidential Pacific Locomotives painted to match the trailing train in the magnificent Blue and Gray scheme.
The Cincinnatian would have its route changed on June 25, 1950 from a Baltimore to Cincinnati daylight schedule to a Detroit to Cincinnati daylight schedule where it would remain until the creation of Amtrak. On this new routing the train sets became successful almost from the beginning. [1] The Cincinnatian on this route used many mail cars, which contributed to the route's success.
In 1970 and 1971, the Cincinnatian was the only Baltimore and Ohio train on the Cincinnati to Detroit route. The trains no longer offered checked baggage--passengers had to carry their own luggage on and off the coaches.
Food was not available either. The 1970 timetable said "Food and beverages may be purchased at Toledo station during station stop." That meant a long wait for hungry northbound riders who left Hamilton at 10:47 a.m. and arrived in Toledo at 2:30 p.m. Southbound, the train departed Toledo at 11:45 a.m. and stopped in Hamilton at 3:25 p.m. The B&O still was using the name and same numbers when the railroad ended passenger service on April 30, 1971. [2]
Equipment used
The following are the two consists of the Cincinnatian (1947)
5301 PRESIDENT ADAMS 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender
1307 EDEN PARK Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car
3565 INDIAN HILL 60 revenue seat Coach
3572 OAKLEY 56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room
3567 COLLEGE HILL 60 Revenue seat Coach
3304 PEEBLES CORNER 24-seat Dining 18-seat Lounge Observation
SECOND CONSIST
5302 PRESIDENT JEFFERSON 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender
1308 HYDE PARK Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car
3566 WINTON PLACE 60 Revenue seat Coach
3573 NORWOOD 56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room
3568 WALNUT HILLS 60 Revenue seat Coach
3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE 24 seat Dining 18-seat Lounge Observation
BAGGAGE CREW DAY-ROOM BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE COMBINATION CARS Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, December, 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
1307 EDEN PARK
1308 HYDE PARK
60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3565 INDIAN HILL
3566 WINTON PLACE
3567 COLLEGE HILL
2568 WALNUT HILLS
56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH STEWARDESS ROOM Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3572 OAKLEY
3573 NORWOOD
24 SEAT DINING 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, December 19
Tuesday has rolled ‘round and it's the Baltimore & Ohio Theme for the Day! Let's see what we can conjur up from the guys!
Lars at 11:14 AM yesterday: Back to Marathon, eh Can't say as if I blame you and wondered just what took you so long!?!? Of course the answer is obvious, must wait for that "right" moment, then "carpe diem," eh
Surely hope all is well with and for you with the weather mess in your part of the world (woild) <grin>. No laughing matter, but we both know what the wrath of the sea can and does bring. Keep the hatches battened down, maintain a steady course ‘n speed, and ride ‘er out, Mate!
Now just a minute here! I do the hiring ‘n firing ‘round here. Interim Manager, my Patoot! Nope. Don't need an Interim - need an ASSISTANT! That's "more better"! <grin> Doug is THE logical candidate and we'll DRAFT his sorry butt if he doesn't VOLUNTEER! How's THAT for democracy????
On that note, has anyone noticed that Rob has disappeared again?? Just the mention of him "maybe" assuming a position of responsibility, and "zap" - gone-zo! Hmmmmmmm.
CM3 Shane at 3:49 PM today: You "saved the day" or at least that portion of daylight . . . thought we'd have one of those long droughts, but happy to see ya!
The unfolding tragedy at Virginia Tech has captivated our household as well. While we don't know of anyone there, with a bride as a university teacher, things like this really "grab" one's attention. Hope any friends and acquaintances of yours haven't been adversely involved.
No pressure - BUT - surely am looking forward to your B&O "stuff." I have my doubts regarding participation . . . Suggest you do so as close to NOON as possible. I'll have the morning "covered" before I leave for the day. Thanx!!
Appreciate the round, quarters ‘n visit!
Pete at 4:25 PM yesterday: Wolfman to the rescue with the late afternoon Post- had Shane not come in, yours would've "saved the day." Many thanx, though!
Emails sent to you very early this AM . . . ???? Reservations made ‘n confirmed for our KCity Amtrak trip.
I have a meeting set up with Molly Throttlebottom, but it is rather odd that she suggested something along the lines of an "intimate" setting. Candlelight dinner, wine ‘n . . . . This could prove to be rather interesting - if not dangerously foolish! <uh oh> Just what kinda "school Marm" is she, anyway??? And no, I've not received the "report cards." That and other "things' will be discussed with Molly! <uh oh>
I "get" the term "birder" - but when "keen" is prefixed, it confused me! <grin>
Yes and no regarding Pix from my 1953 Boy Scout Jamboree. Several of the photos have faded beyond recognition over the years. Mainly due to the many, many moves encountered during my military career (13 permanent changes of station - moving vans, storage, etc.) The changes in temperatures, humitity and so forth really took a toll on photos. I do have at least a dozen albums (12 Pix each) but alas, only a couple of train shots. <sad>
Many thanx for keeping to the "slot" for Posting - really helps!
Rob at 9:34 PM ‘n 10:13 PM yesterday: That mustabeen a tough tooth extraction! Glad to know you're up ‘n runnin' once again. You KNOW the tooth had deep roots when your toe nails turn inward! <grin> (Yeah, go ahead and steal that one while you're at it!)
So, it's Oh-fish-UL! trolleyMAN Rob is the Chief Chef for "Our" Place! Back on the payroll, eh
Strap on your stool-belts, Gents, this should be an interesting ride with the H&H gals (??) in the kitchen. Ahhhh, you may have to reintroduce "Kopperkettle" to the guys . . . What have I done <grin> THANX! [tupp]
A fine start for our "Theme for the Day!" as that "Booze Line" Encore! provides a different ‘n interesting twist . . .
Great seeing you TWICE ‘n looking forward to your offerings on our "Slumgullion Evening Menu Board"!
Eric at 11:48 PM yesterday: Another inclusive ‘n enjoyable Post from our Resident Desert Swede!
You seem to be on a trail leading to who knows where with Lars ‘n Ruth ‘n the Penthouse Suite! Perhaps YOU should join our "crack investigati
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, tonight it is time for Rumpsteak Café de Paris again! Yes, all of it! Nice to come in a little biot earlier tonight! Wait, I can hear somebody singing upstairs. Who is it? Really, she is still here? The Penthouse suite? No, no, I will not tell! Promise.
Kind of typical Monday here. I saw that the light bulb outside has been replaced. Maybe it was just turned off last night?
Doug – A mule in the bagage car? I don’t know, seems a little bit off to me. Maybe I am wrong, but... okay, it is not my train. The observation car is okay! Since the train is inside a museum it is nicer to see the scenery go by using projectors than to see other museum artifacts outside the car. Nice pictures! Thanks! Tom – Oh, you saw me Saturday? Impossible to check this place without being spotted! Boy scout? I was a boy scout for a shorter period of time as a kid, less than two years. I bet Union Station was a more “train like” place in 1953 than it is today. A long trip by train from New York City to Santa Ana, CA! How long time did it take?I’ll keep my eyes open regarding the flicks at the Emporium! Lars – Thanks for the round! Are you sure that you and Ruth are being set up? I don’t think so. Who would do that? By the way, did you leave the lights on Sunday night? Hope you will find a nice place in the Keys! Sounds nice to have a place to go to in the winter, away from snow and ice. CM3 – You are right, the top is the shiny side! The problem was that three of the sides were shiny! It was easier when they told us that those round discs were located at the bottom side. Pete – The light may have been off when you left, but who knows what happened after you left? So you are not allowed to stock the private bar any more, huh? I am stunned!No, those two hoses you see at each end of the locomotives are for the trainline. Most (all?) locomotives in Europe have one hose for the trainline on each side of the front/rear end since freight cars usually only have one hose for the trainline and you never know what side it will be at. I am sure all passenger cars have electric lights fed by a battery that is charged by a generator (on on each car). The generator on the steam locomotive doesn’t have the capacity to feed electric power to all cars. Rob – It was interesting, when we did the Canadian tour with the X2000, to read/have translated what the papers in Montreal wrote about it. They wrote that the X2000 would be a better choice for the future than any version of TGV because of its tilting system! That surprised me an many others since TGV is a French train and Qubéc is a kind of “French” province. Interesting story about the Lake Erie & Detroit River Railway! Some parts of it lasted for quite some time, 1885-1996. I spent some hours at the CP yard in Windsor but have no clue where LEDR’s track might have been connecting?
Okay leon, I'll grab another Keith's and I'll leave abit of change behind for another round for any stragglers. So with Tomorrow being B&O day i figured that tonight I would drop a piece from the old thread, this line ended up being a C&O holding so once all the mega-mergers happened it and B&O folded into the CSX, so this piece sort of fits into the puzzle.
CLASSIC STEAM #19 THE BOOZE LINE
This piece came originally from page 289 of the old bar.
In 1856 American distiller Hiram Walker arrived on the Canadian side of the Detroit River and began making wisky, an operation that would eventually become one of Canada's largest and prolific distilleries.Around his distillery Walker laid out a planned community called Walkerville ( still survibes today as a herritage part of the city of Windsor Ontario ). By the 1880's the townsite had become one of Ontario's best planned and laid out communities.With attractive hotels,banks and brick homes for the plant workers and their families. Walkers own company office was so ornate and well built that it survives still today as a designated herritage building.
Along with the community there was a railway station. In 1885 Walker brought into operation the Lake Erie and Detroit River Railway ( LEDR ). Not only was it intended to bring in the raw material for the plant from the surrounding farmlands south of Windsor, but to export both the finished products but to export local cattle and lumber products as well to the US .At first the line crossed only Essex County, reaching the city of Leamington in 1889. But so great was the demand by the municipalites further east for railway connections, that by 1895 theb road was extended all the way to St Thomas. Here it met the Canada Southern one of the NYC's Canadain Subsidiaries giving the LEDR and the communities it served connections to Toronto and Buffalo as well as the the city of London.Then station the railways met at was the huge MCRR/CASO station that was built 20 yeasr before. It still exists today and has renovations schedualed to turn it's interior into condos and boutiques, but maintaining it's classic facade as it to is a herritage building.
From St Thomas, the LEDR had hoped to aquire the existing London and Port Stanley RR which would give them cross Lake Erire access to Ohio, and the coal trade the L&PS brought into London. However the City of London dithered so long over walker's offer that the LEDR took over the smaller Erie and Huron Railway with it's Lake erie port at Erieau. This route though longer gave the LEDR access to the US through Cahtham and Sarnia.
At Erieau the LEDR built a large coaling facility and then entered the tourist business by adding to steam excursion boats, the Shenango and the Urania.These two vessels operated between Cnneaut Ohio and Erieau Ontario bringing tourists to stay at the popular Bungalo and Lakeview Hotels ( also owned by the LEDR ).With room for 200 guests the Bungalo Hotel was the areas best aand grandest,it unfortunatly burned to the ground in 1912, and was never rebuilt. In 1972 the Erieau section of te LEDR was the first portion of the line to be abandonned and pulled up.
Most of the stations along the line were small unassuming wooden buildings of similar style. The stations at Wheatly and Leamington were given octagonal towers above the bay windows whlie the station at walkerville was a large two story stone box.
South western Ontario's main railway rivalries did not invlove Canadian owned railways but American ones. In 1904 to compete more aggressivly against the American Owned ( NYC ) Canada Southern ( Caso ), the Pere Marquette Railway took over the LEDR and operated it until 1951 when tthe Pere Marquette itself became part of the C&O, and now the CSX.
For most of the roads route it gained it's business from the feed mills and grain elevators which were located next to most of the little train stations along the line. Some fish from Lake Erie was handled from the towns of Wheatly and Kingsville.While most of the lines business served the in and outs at the distillery itself ( still a major shipper for CSX today ).
Gradually, trucking has taken up the smaller industries along the LEDR's mainline.Between 1992 and 1996 nearly the entire line between St Thomas and Walkerville was abandonned and lifted. The only track today is in Windsor running between the CN and CP to move the distilleries production,and in Blenheim were grain is still moved north along the old Erie and Huron trackage and connecting to the petro chemical plants of the CSX's Sarnia division.
Good evening Leon,I think I'll just have a keith's this evening.I have survibved my trip under the dentist's pliers and apparently I've been given a clean bill of health so long as I finish the penicilin
I took an extra day off to recover and now I'm good ( well as good as I get )
Tom-B&O for tuesday, sounds like a good plan, I imagine that we could just about fill a week with B&O info as well. Nice to see the shots from last may again, oh by the by I still see that young lady on occation, she works inToronto and commutes to work four days a week on VIA, now that's the way to do it. I'll remember you to her the next time I see her I see that I've been linched / railroaded into a new job. Oh well H&H say I accept or more accuratly You Vil accept or ve vil accept for you. Apparently they've ordered the new kitchen staff uniforms ffor us all, a cross between chefs whites and lederhosen should be wunnerfull donchathink I wonder if our visiter will return,hopefuuly it's more than a fleeting infactuation with our movie selections.
Lars-yep work has normalised so you should see me fairly regularly I noticed that today's storm dampened you folks quite a bit, it's leftovers apparently dumped 16cm of snow on the Kingston to Ottawa corridor and into Quebec with lots of power outages and we got rain and about 45 degrees where I am less than four hours west Wierd isn't the word for it
Doug-Interesting Metra and Zepher shots. I too have enjoyed my couple or three trips to Chicago ( all for rail photography and riding )
Pete- Great additional train name info sir, your truly adding alot to our disscussions here.Not to worry i'll keep the "Girls" out of your hair and in the Kitchen as much as possible. Mind you they and kopperkettle will still mike thrice weekly Zepplin flights home for "traditional ingrediants" and any import beers you may wish to bring in.
Eric-Great additional shots of the X trainers and equipment. I often wonder if the time isn't right to seriously concider those types of trainsets for regular train service over here. It would seem to me to be the right choice, so therefore it likely won't happen any time soon. Someone will find a way to make the improvements too expensive to get the trains up and running over here.
A pint of Holden's Mild please this sunny mid-Mo afternoon and a round please RUTH.
DOUG Many thanks for the kind words on my pics and your photos from Chicago of the Burlington's Pioneer Zephyr.
I remember reading about ‘Zeph' on earlier posts on the Zephyr.
The 1930s must have been a great time for exhibitions in Chicago, looking again at the link I posted in a reply to Eric on Saturday showing the details on the Royal Scot nameplate. I see the loco was at the ‘Century of Progress' Exposition in 1933, and the screen in the Observation Car shows scenes from the 1934 World Fair.
ERIC. I am sure the light was off in the Penthouse Suite when I left after chandelling on Saturday night, although I am not allowed in there to stock the private bar any more.
Although there is no doubt quite a few Great Western fans who are still upset about Olton Hall being named Hogwart's Castle and even worse the Hall being painted red (a dreaded Midland Railway Colour) there is no denying the locos appearance in the films has helped the loco preservation movement in the UK. Where a lot of scenes are filmed on the West Highland Line in Scotland, there has been a regular steam hauled train run in the summer months. The train runs between Fort William and Mallaig, and has run for quite a few years now, last year the train ran an extra day a week and the passenger loadings were very good.
Another thing on signals with a ‘Theatre box' on top of them, they are used on the approach to large stations and indicate the platform the train is routed to.
Glad you liked Alan's photos. I don't really know what the hose is for but it would be for the steam heat. I was thinking that, as it appears the locos have electric light I wonder if the generator on the locos was used to light the cars, which could account for one of the cables on the loco front.
Torch Lake looks an interesting engine, thanks for sharing.
LARS Thanks for the round. The treats for the Mascots are working; they will not have a bad word said about our Manager.
I saw the bad weather you are having in your area on this morning's news, we had the system brush us here in Mid-Mo as it passed through Try to keep dry and I hope the utilities hold up. Real glad the basement is holding up.
I hope you find a great place in Florida although I shall miss my manager while you are away from the bar. If DOUG takes on the job don't forget to tell him what a hard worker he has in the bar chandler.
I too am interested to see what TOM has in store for the Emporium.
TOM I see BORIS and my Report cards have not reached you from Miss Throttlebottom yet.
A birder is I believe an ornithologist who studies birds of the feathered variety as opposed to, I guess, a hornythologist. (Some of Sir Nigel Gresley's A4 Pacifics were named after British wild birds)
Many thanks for the pics from Toronto from last years rendezvous, as you say it will be just a month from tomorrow before we meet up for the 2nd .
Do you still have those photos of your scout jamboree trip from 1953, did you take any photos of the trains. Unfortunately my black and white pics from the steam days were lost many years ago.
I will have some fun going through your Quiz again. I am sure ROB will ace it, I shall not get CINDY mixed up with Mountain Man Mike again.
Looking forward to B&O day tomorrow.
CM3 I have just caught your post. It is indeed a tragedy at the Virginia Tech. I have just heard the news on the BBC local radio that I get through the Internet. I sincerely hope all your friend's family members are all safe.
It stopped snowing here earlier today, but it is very cold and windy. Needless to say, everyone is upset about the situation at Virginia Tech which is not that far from this part of WV. I have many friends who have family members in school there; right now, nobody really knows much of anything that is going on.
Moving onto brighter topics.
Rob stopped by with comments.
Lars also visited with comments and more NYC material.
Pete provided a write-up on the LMS - about my favorite of all of the UK operations.
Eric - Coffee is the staff of life. I thought the top side was (in general) the one that was shiny.
Barndad took us on an outing on the South Shore and also a visit to what is truly the Zephyr Pit. Thanks for the pictures.
BK sent some ORO steam pictures. The 2-10-2T is truly all business. I enjoyed looking at some of the detail pictures; the air pumps are certainly easy to reach. The ride to Borken looks like our neighborhood did all day yesterday.
OSP sent some more NYC material and some fine movies for our viewing pleasure at the "Theatuh." "Vertigo" is a good one, and "In Which We Serve" is on my short list of all time favorites. Then we have Three Stooges in addition.
B&O tomorrow - I'm ready.
Work safe
Ruth, I think you'd better find that "Mae West' life jacket, for if the water rises much more, we'll all be in the drink! <yikes> Been a nasty storm and more to come. The rains have been pelting down, power has been on the verge of tripping off the line, phone service has been interrupted (which screws up my internet service) and the best I can say is that the basement is DRY! <fingers crossed!>
Ruth, a steaming mugga Joe with a "jolt" should do it for now. A round for whoever trickles in and of course set the critters up with their treats - Boris too!
Getting the "feeling" that you and I are being 'set up' for something, huh Well, if they're going to invent a reason to "get us," maybe we should actually "do something" just to put an end to the speculation! Ooooooooooooops, did I say THAT????/ <blush>
Enjoyed the "random" photos from Cap'n Tom. Rendezvous pix tell the story of what must've been a wonderful time. Sure is a shame that neither of those guys will be coming to St. Louis. Even more the shame that we hear absolutely nothing from our former Florida Connection. RIP, sez I.
Also enjoyed the spate of stuff from Eric. Lots of insights there too and the training T-shirts were a touch of "class" too!
Sounds like Doug is "in for" more work 'n less play. Such is the life of the working stiff, huh But, you've managed to really keep us all "up" on the Chicago rail scene quite well. I think that question of yours was answered correctly by Cap'n Tom. I've visited that museum too, and it's a great place to spend a week! <grin>
Tomorrow is Baltimore & Ohio Theme Day and it's a fine selection, Cap'n Tom! I have a bunch of new book covers ready, just hope that I'll be able to keep the power up 'n running around here. We have an emergency generator, but it won't do any good if our phone service goes down, which will wipe me out for connecting to the bar. Anyway, there are lines down in my area, so who knows?? Guess we should consider oursleves lucky thus far.
We had plans to get down to the Keys this week, but can't get any flights out. Got a call from Phil and he says that they've found a couple of places we should check out. So, if not this week, next for sure. The Mrs. is "itching" to get away from here. Of course I haven't told her that oceans rise EVERYWHERE during storms, not just along the northeast coast! <grin>
If we find something to our liking, we're going to jump at it. I'm ready to spend some quality time down in the Keys and I know the Mrs. does too. Could be an interesting couple of months coming up for us. We'd probably not move very much of our things down there, and just buy new furniture and other trappings for the place. We're going to keep our home here and kinda bounce back 'n forth, with my boys and their families using the Florida place for their vacations in the SUMMER! We are NOT about to give up the winters. <grin>
Of course all of this spells ABSENCE from the bar for me. It's going to be touch 'n go until early June for me. So, perhaps it's time to begin looking for an interim Manager. Doug?????? You surely fit the bill!! C'mon, it's only a cyber thing and you surely know what's what 'round here.
When I checked in this morning I saw that post with the Emporium Theatre movies and thought something was wrong with my pages. Then I realized that whoever that guy is, he copied the entire post just to make his point. Glad our guys don't do things like that, otherwise our pages would be completely full of redundant stuff. One of the benefits of our 'structured' environment is that we all know one another and pretty much stick to the protocol well established for this not-so-humble bar 'n grill of ours!
Anyway, good selections for the Emporium, once again! I see you're planning "something" on that. Curious minds need to know!! <grin>
The Mrs. is bellowing calling my name, something tells me this isn't gonna be good! <frown>
I'll try to get back later and for sure tomorrow, the good Lord willing and the ocean doesn't rise any more!
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