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[passengerfan]

DENVER
&
RIO GRANDE
WESTERN Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The first streamlined head end cars owned by the D&RGW were the pair of lead units in the two car trains that entered PROSPECTOR service November 17, 1941 overnight between Denver and Salt Lake City in each direction. The lead unit of each two-car train contained a pair of under floor Hercules diesels turning a generator supplying power to the truck mounted traction motors, the same was true for the trailing car having a pair of under floor truck mounted diesels. These lead cars featured the Control Cab Baggage Compartment and 44 revenue coach seats. The two trains were the M-1 and M-2 the power car in the lead unit in the M-1 train set was named JOHN EVANS and the name of the lead unit in the M-2 train was BRIGHAM YOUNG. These badly underpowered train sets were withdrawn from service July 5, 1942 and quietly returned to Budd where they were scrapped.

POWERED CONTROL CAB BAGGAGE 44 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd October 1941 (Built for and assigned to PROSPECTORS)

M-1
JOHN EVANS

M-2
BRIGHAM YOUNG

The next streamlined head end car purchased by the Rio Grande was for service in the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. There were six identical Baggage Cars built for the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR train sets. Three of the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR Baggage Cars were owned by the CB&Q, two by the Western Pacific and one by the D&RGW 1100 SILVER ANTELOPE. The CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR Baggage car 1100 SILVER ANTELOPE was delivered to the D&RGW in February 1948 by the Budd Company, as part of an order for eight. Two were WP owned, three were CB&Q owned and one the 1100 SILVER ANTELOPE was owned by the Rio Grande for CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The additional two were CB&Q owned for assignment to the NEBRASKA ZEPHYRS.

BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company 1948 (Built for and assigned to CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

1100 SILVER ANTELOPE

The rest of the D&RGW streamlined head end cars were delivered by Pullman Standard between March – November 1950. These cars were intended for the C&O but when they were unable to use all they had ordered many were made available to other Railroads. The D&RGW purchased a total of twenty-five of these C&O cars with all delivered direct from Pullman Standard to the D&RGW painted in Grande Gold with black stripes. Eight of these cars were head end cars of three different types. There were three Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars numbered 1200 – 1202 assigned to the ROYAL GORGE between Denver and Salt Lake City by way of Pueblo. Three of the cars were full Baggage Cars assigned to the PROSPECTORS between Denver and Salt Lake City overnight by way of the Moffat Tunnel. The other two were Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory 24 revenue seat Coach Combinations 1230 and 1231 both assigned to the PROSPECTORS.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Pullman Standard March – November 1950 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL GORGE)

1200 – 1202

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard March – November 1950 (Built for and assigned to PROSPECTOR)

1210 – 1212

BAGGAGE 7 CREW DORMITORY 24 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Pullman Standard March – November 1950 (Built for and assigned to PROSPECTOR)

1230, 1231

TTFN AL

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom,

Just stopped by to see if there is a "Theme," and I see Al hasn't let us down.

Good to see BK stop by as well - so now it will be four of us "running" this thread - that suits me![tup]

Ok, so it's the Rio Grande - here's my meager contribution . . .

Name trains of the Denver and Rio Grande Western (Rio Grande) (D&RGW)

QUOTE: 1. California Zephyr
2. Colorado Eagle
3. Exposition Flyer
4. Mountaineer
5. Prospector
6. Royal Gorge
7. Yampa Valley Mail

My caveat as always: not meant to be all inclusive, but should suffice for bringing back some memories![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Greetings Captain Tom,

Just wanted to stop by for a minute. Looks as "active" as ever. Thanks to you and Mr. passengerfan, things are maintaining a positive flow - also Lars too.

One day I will figure out how to find those wonderful pictures you and Lars have come up with and perhaps provide some of my own. Just a learning experience I have not encountered yet because the "urge" has not hit me.<grin>

While the D&RGW does not "do" very much for me, in spite of the fine trains they ran, railroading in Colorodo does. I would love to experience that train in Durango. Have you guys done that? I understand it is a narrow gauge run and travels through some mighty fine terrirtory. One day, perhaps.

BK

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Here's something previously Posted on this Thread that is in line with the "Theme for the Day!" . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RGW) [img]

Headquarters: Denver, CO

Mileage:

1950: 2,413
1995: 2,238 including trackage rights routes

Rolling stock as of 1963: Freight cars – 12,610 Passenger cars – 96

Principal lines in 1950:

Denver-Bond, CO-Salt Lake City, UT
Denver-Pueblo-Dotsero, CO
Pueblo-Trinidad, CO
Walsenburg-Alamosa, CO
Alamosa-Durango, CO
Salida-Gunnison, CO
Mears Junction-Alamosa
Alamosa-Creede, CO
Bond-Craig, CO
Grand Junction-Ouray, CO
Thistle-Marysvale, UT
Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & Western Pacific)
Colorado Eagle (St. Louis-Pueblo-Denver, joint w/MoPac)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & WP, replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Mountaineer (Denver-Montrose, CO, via Moffat Tunnel)
Panoramic (Denver-Ogden)
Prospector (Denver-Salt Lake City)
Rio Grande Zephyr (Denver-Ogden [later cut back to Salt Lake City], replaced California Zephyr 1970-83)
Royal Gorge (Denver-Pueblo-Ogden)
San Juan (Alamosa-Durango, CO)
The Silverton (Durango-Silverton, CO)
The Yampa Valley (Denver-Craig)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Whoa! Looks like Al set the "theme" just about the same time as my last Post - so it's to be the Rio Grande eh[?][tup]

How are these for starters[?]


DRGW #1145 Silver Sky (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


DRGW #1145 Silver Sky California Zephyr (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Hmmmmmmm, nothing from Al yet - okay - we'll wait on the "Theme for the Day!"
Check these photo's out while we're waiting ..........

California Railroading! (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


California Coaster (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


California Metrolink (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom.

DENVER
&
RIO GRANDE
WESTERN
(D&RGW) Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
By Al

The D&RGW introduced their first streamlined trains November 17, 1941 the PROSPECTOR between Denver and Salt Lake City nightly in each direction. These two car streamliners were diesel powered with under floor-mounted units near each truck. These Hercules diesels of 190 hp each soon proved inadequate to power these less than successful streamliners from the Budd Company. Both were withdrawn from service July 5, 1942 and quietly returned to Budd in Philadelphia where they were just as quietly scrapped.
The first unit in each PROSPECTOR featured the Engineers cab a small baggage compartment and 44-revenue coach seats. The unit assigned to the M-1 train was named JOHN EVANS, and that assigned to the M-2 train was named BRIGHAM YOUNG. The motorized trailing car in each train featured 8-sections two-chambrettes (Budd name for roomettes) a buffet eight-seat dinette and four-seat lounge Observation. The second unit assigned to the M-I train set was named DAVID MOFFAT and that assigned to the M-2 train set was named HEBER C. KIMBALL.

POWERED 8-SECTION 2 CHAMBRETTE BUFFET 8-SEAT DINETTE 4-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1941 (Built for and assigned to PROSPECTOR)

M-1 train DAVID MOFFAT

M-2 train HEBER C. KIMBALL

The Rio Grande owned cars for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR are covered in the CB&Q chapter, suffice to say here that the Rio Grande owned three feature cars a Vista Dome crew dormitory buffet lounge coffee shop car 1140 SILVER SHOP, a 48-seat dining car 1115 SILVER BANQUET and a Vista-Dome 3-double bedroom 1-drawing room bar lounge observation 1145 SILVER SKY.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP BUFFET 7-SEAT LOUNGE 17-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company October-November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

D&RGW

1140 SILVER SHOP

WP

831 SILVER CHALET

832 SILVER HOSTEL

CB&Q

250 SILVER CLUB

251 SILVER LOUNGE

252 SILVER ROUNDUP

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

D&RGW

1115 SILVER BANQUET

WP

841 SILVER PLATE

842 SILVER PLATTER

CB&Q

193 SILVER CAFÉ

194 SILVER DINER

195 SILVER RESTAURANT

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT BUFFET LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company December 1948-January 1949 Plan: 9511 Lot: 9659 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

D&RGW

1145 SILVER SKY

WP

881 SILVER CRESCENT

882 SILVER PLANET

CB&Q

375 SILVER HORIZON

376 SILVER PENTHOUSE

377 SILVER SOLARIUM

To complete their postwar streamlining the Rio Grande purchased three Vista-Dome 20-seat coach news counter and 16-seat lounge observations from the C&O. These three cars were built originally for the C&O CHESSIE the train that never entered service. The C&O operated these three cars from Budd delivered in August 1948 operated on the C&O northern lines in the PERE MARQUETTES between Chicago and Grand Rapids. After purchase by the Rio Grande in September 1949 the cars were fitted with an adaptor and diaphragm so the cars could be operated mid-train. The cars looked striking in the Rio Grande gold, silver and black livery. The three cars traded their C&O numbers 1875-1877 for Rio Grande numbers 1248-1250. The Rio Grande assigned the 1248-1250 to the ROYAL GORGE operating between Denver and Salt Lake City via Pueblo and its namesake Royal Gorge.
Over a period of nine months (March-November) 1950 the Rio Grande received 25- lightweight streamlined cars that were originally part of the huge C&O order that that road could no longer use. Instead these 25-cars were delivered direct from Pullman Standard to the Rio Grande as they were completed complete with Grande paint and lettering. The five cars we are concerned with in this book are dining-lounge cars 1280 MT. TIMPANOGOS and 1281 JAMES PEAK assigned to the overnight PROSPECTORS. These cars featured a 22-seat dining area at one end with kitchen-pantry-bar located mid car and lounge seating for 16.
The other cars we are concerned with in this book are the three buffet-lounge cars 1290 CASTLE GATE, 1291 ROYAL GORGE and 1292 EAGLE CANON. Each of these cars featured an 8-seat lunch counter bar-buffet 38-seat lounge. These cars were assigned to the ROYAL GORGE trains between Denver and Salt Lake City.
After Rio Grande passenger service had ended except for the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR the cars were put up for sale.
In March 1967 the PRR purchased 1291 ROYAL GORGE and 1292 EAGLE CANON, after repainting and lettering the cars were numbered 1148 and 1149 respectively and assigned to the BROADWAY LIMITED trains.
In October 1967 the D&H purchased 1280 MT. TIMPANOGOS, 1281 JAMES PEAK, and 1290 CASTLE GATE for further service. Cars were assigned D&H numbers 41-43 respectively and operated in the LAURENTIAN between Albany and Montreal with one car acting as a reserve for the other two.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 20-REVENUE SEAT COACH NEWSSTAND 16-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS FITTED WITH MID-TRAIN ADAPTOR Budd Company August 1948 (Built for C&O CHESSIE sold to RIO GRANDE for ROYAL GORGE September 1949)

1248 originally C&O 1875

1249 originally C&O 1876

1250 originally C&O 1877

22-SEAT DINING KITCHEN – BAR 16-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard March-November 1950 (Built for C&O diverted to D&RGW before completion for assignment to the PROSPECTORS)

1280 MT. TIMPANOGOS

1281 JAMES PEAK

8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET-BAR 38-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard March-November 1950 (Built for C&O diverted to D&RGW before completion for assignment to the ROYAL GORGE)

1290 CASTLE GATE

1291 ROYAL GORGE

1292 EAGLE CANON

TTFN Al

[passengerfan]

Good Afdternoon Tom and Lars and anybody else reading. Continuing todays NP theme.

NORTHERN
PACIFIC Streamlined Baggage Cars
by Al

The name train of the Northern Pacific Railway was the NORTH COAST LIMITED and it would be September of 1948 before this train would become fully streamlined with six sets of equipment between Chicago and Seattle – Portland. Each consist of the NORTH COAST LIMITED operated with a pair of Head End cars a Water Baggage and a 30’ Railway Post Office 22 Crew Dormitory Car.
The Water – Baggage Cars were unique to the Northern Pacific as they carried 3,000 gallons of water in tanks at the forward end to supply additional water for the steam generators located in the diesel units. This was especially useful in the bad water district of the western Dakotas and eastern Montana where steam locomotives operated with very large capacity water tanks and even then good water was brought by tank car to the water towers located in this area of the railroad. These six cars NP 400 – 405 were delivered in 1946 – 1947 by Pullman Standard. Since additional water other than that carried by the CB&Q E units in charge of the NORTH COAST LIMITED between there and Chicago the tanks were generally empty for this part of the trip. The 30’ Railway Post Office 22 Crew Dormitory Cars 425 – 430 were delivered over the same time period and operated directly behind the Water Baggage Cars in the NORTH COAST LIMITED consists.

3,000 GALLON WATER BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard October 1946 – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

400 – 405

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE 22 CREW DORMITORY CARS Pullman Standard October 1946 – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

425 – 430

In April – May 1956 Pullman Standard delivered ten lightweight streamlined Baggage Cars to the NP numbers 200 – 209. An additional ten arrived from Pullman Standard numbered 210 – 219 in August – September 1957. In June – July 1958 Pullman Standard delivered ten more numbers 220 – 229.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard April – May 1956 (Built for and assigned to General Service

200 – 209

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard August – September 1956 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

210 – 219

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard June – July 1958 (Built for and assigned to General service)

220 – 229

During the Seattle Worlds Fair in 1962 the NP suffered two accidents with NORTH COAST LIMITED trains in each incident damage was severe to Water Baggage cars and the NP was forced to stop for additional water along the way with these two consists. The NP placed tank cars of water at certain station stops to refill the small water tanks the diesels were equipped with until the two NORTH COAST LIMITED Water Baggage cars were returned to service. Beginning in October, 1962 the NP rebuilt two standard streamlined Baggage Cars 208 and 209 into Water Baggage Cars by adding three thousand gallon water tanks at one end and equipping the cars with the transfer lines to the diesel units ahead. After conversion to Water Baggage Cars the cars were numbered 406 and 407 respectively.
In December 1963 Pullman Standard delivered ten additional Baggage Cars to the Northern Pacific numbers 230 – 239.
One final lot of ten streamlined Baggage Cars came from St. Louis Car in November – December 1965 numbers 250 – 259. All of these cars like the previous Baggage Cars were assigned to General service.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard December 1963 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

230 – 239

BAGGAGE CARS St. Louis Car Company November – December 1965 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

250 – 259

In October and November 1965 the NP shops converted two additional Baggage Cars 210 and 218 into Water Baggage Cars 408 and 409.
A year later in September 1966 Baggage Car 211 was rebuilt to Water Baggage car 410 and in March 1967 one final baggage car 222 was rebuilt to a water Baggage Car and numbered 222. By this time the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED and MAINSTREETER were both equipped with Water Baggage Cars between St. Paul and Seattle and in the case of the NORTH COAST LIMITED the cars actually operated Seattle - Chicago.

TTFN AL

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom

Just on my way over to the bar and thought I'd make a quick stop to see what's happenin' over here. Well, BK's back![tup] Good show!

Al has dropped another "theme" on us, huh? So, here's my contribution:

Name trains of the Northern Pacific (NP)

QUOTE: Alaskan
Mainstreeter
North Coast Limited
St. Paul-Winnipeg

Not very many - but they should "do" for the purposes of this thread .....

Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom,

What have we here? Running two "Themes" one at the bar and another over here. That tends to get a bit confusing for someone trying to keep up with it all! Good job by you and of course the oracle of the forums, passengerfan Al. He surely is never at a loss for words, eh?<grin>

Just thought I would stop by before returning to my day of leisure up here in Alberta's high country. Sure is good to be back and my hope is that I will begin contributing to your threads before too long ......

BK

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

Here's something for our "Theme for the Day! - Northern Pacific" - previously Posted on this thread . . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #12

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this ad (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)



Look what they’re saying about the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited!

”FOUR VISTA-DOMES . . . the view really is terrific on the Northern Pacific!”

“Pride of the Northwest . . . a train second to none!”

“One of the top trains in the country”

“A LOVELY STEWARDESS-NURSE . . . so kind to me and my children”

“Most friendly and courteous employees”

“Comfortable trip – delicious meals. Our compliments to the chef”

“THE TRAVELLER’S REST buffet-lounge . . . most unique car we’ve ever seen . . . captures the flavor and romance of the West”

”WON’T YOU BE MY GUEST?”
Now a friendly Stewardess-Nurse welcomes you aboard the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited. You’ll enjoy extra traveling pleasure at no extra cost – in fact, even low Family Fares apply! Heading East or West through the scenic Northwest, you’ll see for yourself why passengers call it . . .

. . . . . One of the world’s Extra Fine trains . . . . .

. . . . . For complete information, write
. . . . . G. W. RODINE, Passenger Traffic Manager . . . . .
. . . . . Northern Pacific Railway, St. Paul 1, Minn. . . . . .

CHICAGO – TWIN CITIES – SPOKANE – PORTLAND – TACOMA – SEATTLE


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Al - A fine selection - take note that the NP is NEXT UP over at the bar for Tuesday, Feb 28th!

Here's a little something to supplement Al's choice . . . previously Posted on this Thread . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Northern Pacific (NP)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage in 1950: 6,682

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 662

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 34,200
Passenger cars: 359

Principal routes in 1950:

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Fargo, ND-Butte, MT-Tacoma, WA
Logan-Helena-Garrison, MT
Portland, OR-Sumas, WA
Minneapolis/St. Paul-Duluth, MN
Staples, MN-Ashland, WI
Little Falls-International Falls, MN
Manitoba Junction-Crookston, MN-Winnipeg, MB
Wadena, MN-Leeds, ND

Passenger trains of note:

Alaskan (Minneapolis/St. Paul-Portland via Helena)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Helena-Seattle & Portland)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Butte-Seattle & Portland)

Of note: CB&Q handled passenger trains between Chicago and St. Paul. SP&S handled trains between Pasco and Portland.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom How about this for today.

NORTHERN
PACIFIC Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
(NP)
By Al

In 1947 – 1948 the Northern Pacific received its first lightweight streamlined cars. The cars were delivered to equip six NORTH COAST LIMITED train sets. The NP premier train and oldest name train operating between Chicago and Seattle – Portland – Tacoma. Each of the train sets operated with three feature cars. The first of these in each consist was a 26-seat coach Buffet 19-seat Lounge car. This car was for the coach passengers of the train and was trainlined as the seventh car in each train. These cars were numbered 494-499. They were delivered to the NP in June – July 1947 and were among the first new cars to operate in the otherwise heavyweight NORTH COAST LIMITED.

26-SEAT COACH BUFFET 10-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard June – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

494 – 499

Cars 494 – 499 were shopped one at a time between July and October 1954 receiving the Raymond Loewy treatment at that time being rebuilt to the famous Lewis & Clark Travelers Rest cars. These cars featured a 14-seat Lunch Counter Kitchen – Bar 12-seat cocktail lounge 17-seat lounge. Leather was applied to the wall of the car on one side in this area and a map showing the route of the Lewis and Clark expedition was featured on this cowhide. These cars were among the finest lounge cars to ever enter service on a U.S. railroad.
The next car in each NORTH COAST LIMITED consist was a 12-seat Lunch Counter 30-seat Dining car 450 – 454 and CB&Q owned 455. The dining cars operated from St. Paul east to Chicago and then west to Seattle and return east to St. Paul. They were changed out in St. Paul, as this was where the NP Commissary dept. was located.

12-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 30-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard July – August 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

450 – 454

CB&Q

455

All six Lunch Counter – dining cars were rebuilt to full 48-seat dining cars between October 1953 and March 1954 retaining their original numbers. They operated as 40-seat dining cars in non-peak travel periods having eight seats at booths that were used a waiting and cocktail lounge during those times. During the peak travel periods the cars operated as 48-seat dining cars with the four booths pressed into dining car service. This was also part of the Raymond Loewy rebuilding of the NORTH COAST LIMITED. All Northern Pacific cars were being repainted into the new scheme of two-tone green with white lettering and separation stripes designed by Raymond Loewy. This scheme replaced a very old-fashioned paint scheme of Pullman Green and Pine green with yellow striping and lettering. The new paint scheme would last the NP into the BN merger in fact well into the Amtrak era and was easily one of the most attractive schemes ever introduced by a railroad to its passenger equipment. The dining cars remained in NORTH COAST LIMITED service until 1959 when they were replaced by new Budd built dining cars in the NORTH COAST LIMITED. These cars were then assigned to the MAINSTREETER. In May – June 1962 numbers 450-453, 455 and 456 were rebuilt to 32-seat dining 16-seat lounge cars.
Once again cars 450, 451, 453 and 456 were rebuilt between June 1967 and January 1968 into economy buffet cars with a steam table for service replacing three tables on one side of the car. This was done in an effort to get a handle on the runaway dining car expenses of the MAINSTREETER. The cars retained their lounge seating. Two other older dining cars were converted to Buffet Lounge cars 454 in May 1966 and car 457 followed a year later in May 1967.
The last car in each streamlined NP NORTH COAST LIMITED was a 4-Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 26-seat Lounge Observation. These cars were al named for business clubs located in cities served by the NORTH COAST LIMITED. These cars were not delivered until June – July 1948 and all six NORTH COAST LIMITED train sets were completely equipped with new cars by September 1948.

4-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-COMPARTMENT BUFFET 26-SEAT LOUNGE OBSRVATIONS Pullman Standard June – July 1948 Plan: 4120 Lot: 6781 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

ARLINGTON CLUB

MONTANA CLUB

RAINIER CLUB

SPOKANE CLUB

TACOMA CLUB

CB&Q

MINNEAPOLIS CLUB

In 1954 – 55 the CLUB suffix cars lost their names in favor of numbers only which became standard practice for all NP sleeping cars. The CLUBS were numbered as follows

February 1954

392 originally TACOMA CLUB

June 1954

CB&Q 483 originally CB&Q
MINNEAPOLIS CLUB

August 1954

390 originally RAINIER CLUB

September 1954

391 originally ARLINGTON CLUB

October 1954

394 originally ARLINGTON CLUB

February 1955

393 originally SPOKANE CLUB

At the same time the CLUB series cars were numbered the lounge observation area was extensively remodeled giving a more modern appearance to the lounge. The seating in the remodeled lounge remained the same at 27.
Pullman Standard delivered two new 40-seat dining cars in December 1953 for assignment to the Seattle – Portland NP pool trains. These two cars were identical to the rebuilt cars operating in the NORTH COAST LIMITED. Like those cars operating in the NORTH COAST LIMITED dining car 456 and 457 were expandable to 48-seats during peak travel periods.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard December 1953 (Built for and assigned to Seattle – Portland pool train service)

456, 457

In October 1954 Pullman Standard delivered two Parlor – Buffet Lounge cars 492 and 493 to the NP for assignment to the NP Seattle – Portland pool trains 407-408. These cars had a 32-seat lounge at one end with a buffet next followed by 14-seat Parlor cars. One of these cars brought up the markers of 407 northbound while southbound in 408 for many years were four Southern Pacific sleeping cars trailing the Parlor Buffet Lounge car. These were through cars destined for that afternoons southbound CASCADE. The Parlor seating was to the rear so both coach and first class passengers could use the Buffet – Lounge in the two cars. Both cars operated up until Amtrak on these trains.

32-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET 14-SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard October 1954 (Built for and assigned to Seattle – Portland pool trains 407-408)

492, 493

Pullman Standard delivered five nearly identical Lounge Buffet Parlor cars to the NP in July 1956 numbered 487 – 491. These five cars were the only new cars ever constructed for the MAINSTREETER the secondary train between Seattle-Tacoma-Portland and Chicago. These cars were named Holiday Lounge cars for service in the MAINSTREETER. It was unusual for long distance trains to operate parlor cars. In the case of the MAINSTREETER the Parlor car space was sold for daytime travel in Montana, and North Dakota. During the evening hours the parlor seating was opened up as additional lounge space. The parlor seating rarely sold on these trains and eventually the parlor was treated as additional lounge space during the day and evening. These cars only operated between Seattle and St. Paul as the MAINSTREETER through cars were combined with the CB&Q BLACKHAWK between St. Paul and Chicago. The MAINSTREETER dining and Parlor Buffet Lounge cars only operated between St. Paul and Seattle. Between November 1962 and March 1963 all five cars were rebuilt to 48-seat leg-rest coaches and renumbered 581-585.

32-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET 14-SEAT PARLOR CARS “HOLIDAY LOUNGE” Pullman Standard July 1956 (Built for and assigned to MAINSTREETER)

487 – 491

The NP NORTH COAST LIMITED received new Budd built 40-seat dining cars in December 1957 – January 1958. These cars were expandable to 48 seats during the busy peak travel periods by utilizing the booth seating at each end of the dining seating. During off peak travel periods the booths were used for cocktails and waiting areas for the dining area. These were the last new dining cars built in the United States until Amtrak built dining cars in the 1970’s.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company December 1957 – January 1958 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

459 – 463

CB&Q

458

At the end of 1966 and into the beginning of 1967 the NP retired the Sleeper lounge observations from NORTH COAST LIMITED service, this left the trains with no separate lounge facilities for first class passengers. There have been many reasons offered as to why the NP retired these classic observation cars, one was that it made the addition and deletion of the Portland cars easier at Pasco and also cut down the switching at St Paul, but the truth was these cars sleeping accommodation was dated not having a separate bathroom annex. The NP found it more difficult to sell the space in these cars except during peak travel periods. Also sleeping passengers did not enjoy the switching of cars at Pasco westbound or westbound at St. Paul. In any event the cars were retired and sold privately, several survive in private ownership as this is written in 2002.
It didn’t take the Pullman passengers long to let the NP know they were unhappy about this turn of events. In order to appease these first class passengers the NP remodeled six of their Vista Dome sleeping cars that had been delivered in 1954 into “Lounge in the Sky” cars. The NP placed six tables in the dome each seating four facing one another. Since the original dome seating had been for 24 this never reduced the seating. A Buffet replaced two of the duplex single rooms beneath the dome. Apparently the Lounge car attendants in these cars suffered from no lack of exercise, having to climb the two stairs from beneath the dome to the cars main level and the five stairs from the main level of the dome just to look after their passenger orders. The five cars rebuilt were renumbered 375-379 and CB&Q 380, they were originally numbered 307, 308, 311, 312, and 314, and CB&Q 304 respectively. The cars built as 24-seat Vista Dome 4-roomettes, 4-double bedroom with 4 duplex single rooms beneath the dome. As reconstructed to Lounge in the sky Vista dome sleeping cars they featured the new dome seating at tables, 4- Double Bedrooms, and two Duplex single rooms beneath the dome with a buffet occupying the space formerly occupied by the other two duplex single rooms. These cars pleased the first class clientele as know more complaints were received at NP headquarters.
All cars passed to BN ownership after the merger in 1970 and all of the domes went on to many years of service in Amtrak trains.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just wanted to acknowledge the efforts of Al for the fine Posts and info on The Great Northern Railway.[tup][tup][tup]

Also, for Lars & Al I appreciate your support for this thread and the bar![tup][tup][tup] There will come a day when I pull the plug over here - but it won't because the three of us didn't try.

Catch ya in the AM!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

My final installment on the "Theme for the Day!" - previously seen on this Thread:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . Glacier National Park . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

My final installment on the "Theme for the Day!" - previously seen on this Thread:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . Glacier National Park . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

GREAT
NORTHERN Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The Great Northern Railway received its first streamlined sleeping cars beginning in December 1946 for America's first new full service streamliner following WW II the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Each of the five new EMPIRE BUILDER streamliners was twelve cars in length between Chicago and Spokane. The sleeping car section of the new EMPIRE BUILDERS comprised five cars, two PASS series 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. Two GLACIER series 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars and One RIVER series 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 seat Lounge Observation. The new EMPIRE BUILDER was inaugurated February 23,1947 between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest. The inaugural train departing from St. Paul consisted of the following cars and power. The train had departed from Chicago earlier that day behind Burlington power.

500 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

501 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1100 30' Railway Post Office Baggage Car

1110 60 Revenue Seat Coach

1120 48 revenue Seat Leg rest Coach

1121 48 revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1122 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1140 WATERTON LAKE 10 Seat lounge 10 Seat Lunch Counter 19 Crew Dormitory Car

1150 LAKE SUPERIOR 36 Seat Dining Car

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1171 AHERN GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 16 Seat Lounge 11 Seat Lounge Observation

The above cars marked as (Chicago - Portland cars were forwarded to and from Portland by the SP&S Railway from Spokane. All other cars were Chicago - Seattle cars.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1946 - January 1947 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS

1162 DAWSON PASS

1163 PIEGAN PASS

1164 LOGAN PASS

1165 TRIPLE DIVIDE PASS

1166 LINCOLN PASS

1169 SWIFT CURRENT PASS

CB&Q

1167 CUT BANK PASS

1168 RED GAP PASS

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4108 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER

1171 AHERN GLACIER

1172 GRINNELL GLACIER

1173 HANGING GLACIER

1174 MANY GLACIER

1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1176 SEXTON GLACIER

1177 HARRISON GLACIER

CB&Q

1178 SPERRY GLACIER

1179 SIYEH GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q

1194 MARIAS RIVER

In January 1950 two additional PASS series sleeping cars were delivered for EMPIRE BUILDER service. One of these cars was owned by the GN the other was owned by SP&S.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot 6883 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1180 STEVENS PASS

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6828 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

SP&S

700 INDIAN PASS

The above two cars were actually the first of eleven new lightweight stream-lined cars built in anticipation of all new 15 Car EMPIRE BUILDERS to be inaugurated June 3, 1951. These eleven new sleeping cars were for the older EMPIRE BUILDERS to create a sixth consist. This would permit the six sets of the first streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS to become the new WESTERN STAR another Chicago - Pacific Northwest Streamliner operating on a slower schedule to replace the heavyweight ORIENTAL LIMITED. Pullman Standard delivered eight GLACIER series sleeping cars in December 1950. The new WESTERN STAR trains would leave the mainline westbound at Havre, Montana and run southwest to Great Falls Montana. The train would then depart Great Falls in a northerly direction and rejoin the mainline at Shelby Montana. The GN would operate three of the new GLACIER series cars as dedicated St. Paul - Great Falls Sleeping cars 1181 KINTLA GLACIER, 1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER, and 1183 HUDSON GLACIER. The new WESTERN STAR would become the train of Glacier National Park, as it would serve the park both eastbound and westbound in daylight hours. The WESTERN STAR would carry many extra Pullman-sleeping cars in the summer months from tour operators and railroad charters to and from the magnificent Glacier National Park. Many of these foreign sleeping cars running to the park would be set out at Glacier and serve as sleeping quarters for the passengers visiting the park. Later these sleeping cars would be picked up by the WESTERN STAR at Glacier or in many cases the cars may have been moved to Belton where they were picked up. Belton was the west entrance to Glacier National Park and Glacier was the east entrance to Glacier National Park with both entrances on the GN mainline over Marias Pass just 57 miles apart. For a number of years the WESTERN STAR carried extra sleeping cars to and from Glacier National Park that originated in both the east and west so there was Pullman Sleeping cars traveling in the WESTERN STAR in both directions. Those Glacier National Park bound cars that originated in California generally departed in the WESTERN STAR from Spokane while if the tour included time in Seattle the cars departed from Seattle.
In addition to dedicated GLACIER series sleeping cars between St. Paul and Great Falls the WESTERN STAR also carried overnight GLACIER series sleeping cars between Spokane and Seattle in each direction. The two cars designated as Spokane - Seattle sleeping cars were 1184 CHANEY GLACIER and 1185 PARADISE GLACIER. All of the additional GLACIER series sleeping cars and the one additional RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observation were GN owned. The new WESTERN STAR was inaugurated on June 3, 1951.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4108A Lot: 6890 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1181 KINTLA GLACIER

1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER

1183 HUDSON GLACIER
(St. Paul - Great Falls)

1184 CHANEY GLACIER

1185 PARADISE GLACIER
(Seattle - Spokane)

1186 PUMPELLY GLACIER

1187 TAHOMA GLACIER

1188 TWO OCEAN GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1197 PRIEST RIVER

The new fifteen car Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDERS entered service June 3, 1951 between Chicago and Seattle - Portland. Each of the new Mid-Century Empire Builders was made up of cars from Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry. The latter Company built the Baggage 60' Railway post Office cars, Baggage Crew Dormitory Cars, 60 Revenue seat Short trip Coaches, all feature cars (Diners and Lounges). Pullman Standard built the new 48 revenue seat leg rest Coaches, The PASS and RIVER series sleeping cars. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS were powered by EMD 3 unit sets of F units with 4,500 hp total. A typical EMPIRE BUILDER is listed below.

37 Baggage 60' Railway Post Office Car

1200 Baggage 25 Crew Dormitory Car

1210 60 Revenue Seat Short Trip Coach

1215 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1216 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1217 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1240 G-N Ranch 14 Seat Lunch Counter 12 Seat Dining 18 Seat Lounge Car

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1370 ROGERS PASS 6 Roomettes 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1261 SUN RIVER 4 Sections 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1250 LAKE OF THE ISLES 36 Seat Dining Car

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1372 AKAMINA PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN 2 Roomette Buffet Lounge High Windowed Lounge Observation

There were actually three Roomettes in the MOUNTAIN series Observations. One of these was a Crew Roomette with fewer amenities than the other two; this was for the Lounge car attendant. The other two standard Roomettes were not sold to the public but one was for the Pullman Conductor, the other for the GN onboard Passenger Service Representative.

4 SECTION 1 COMPARTMENT 7 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard November - December 1950 Plan: 4181 Lot: 6889 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)
GN

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER

1261 SUN RIVER

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER

1263 MILK RIVER

1264 BAD AXE RIVER

1265 CHUMSTICK RIVER

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1267 SKAGIT RIVER

1268 MOUSE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER

1270 TOBACCO RIVER

1271 FRASER RIVER

1272 SPOKANE RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER

SP&S

702 SNAKE RIVER

6 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard October - November 1950 Plan: 4180 Lot: 6877 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1370 ROGERS PASS

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1372 AKAMINA PASS

1373 SANTIAM PASS

1374 PARK CREEK PASS

1375 JEFFERSON PASS

1376 HART PASS

1377 STATE PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1379 BIG HORN PASS
1380 SUIATTLE PASS

1381 HAINES PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS

1383 INUYA PASS

1384 LEWIS AND CLARK PASS

SP&S

701 WAPINITIA PASS

Six of the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER Sleeping Cars were transferred to CB&Q ownership in September 1953 with no change of number or names.

CB&Q

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER originally GN 1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER originally GN 1269 POPLAR RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER originally GN 1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS originally GN 1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS originally GN 1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS originally GN 1382 BLEWETT PASS

Between April and August 1955 the GN cycled each of the RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observations assigned to the WESTERN STAR through Pullman Calumet shops to rebuild the interiors. Originally built as 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Observations the cars returned to GN with 4 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 6 Roomettes and 9 seat Lounge Observation. The car names were changed from RIVER series cars to COULEE series cars at that time. When the COULEE series cars were returned to the GN they were assigned to the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER to give that train more sleeping car capacity. The MOUNTAIN series cars the GN built for the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER were then assigned to the WESTERN STAR. The COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations are the only streamlined Observations operated by any railroad with Roomettes. The MOUNTAIN series Observations Roomettes were not sold as revenue space until years later in the combined WESTERN STAR/ FAST MAIL. The new Pullman Plan for the COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations was 4109K.

1190 CHOUTEAU COULEE rebuilt April 1955 from 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 TWELVE MILE COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 CORRAL COULEE rebuilt August 1955 from 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 ROCKY COULEE rebuilt May 1955 from 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q 1194 TRAIL COULEE rebuilt July 1955 from CB&Q 1194 MARIAS RIVER

1197 GRAND COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1197 PRIEST RIVER

Burlington owned PASS series sleeping car 1168 RED GAP PASS was transferred to GN ownership in June 1955. At that time the WESTERN STAR began operating with one less PASS series sleeping cars in each consist between Chicago and Seattle.
The six surplus PASS series sleeping cars were than assigned to a pool for the WESTERN STAR in summer season and the WINNIPEG LIMITED at other times of the year.
In 1956 GN returned GLACIER series Sleeping cars 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER and 1177 HARRISON GLACIER to Pullman Calumet for remodeling for WINNIPEG LIMITED service. The two GLACIER series cars originally built with 16 Duplex Roomettes and 4 Double Bedrooms returned from Pullman as Plan 4108K 8 Duplex Roomette 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 12 Seat Dinette 12 Seat Lounge Cars with new names and numbers as follows.

1198 MANITOBA CLUB originally 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1199 WINNIPEG CLUB originally 1177 HARRISON GLACIER

The two new CLUB series cars were assigned to the WINNIPEG LIMITED. At that time the WINNIPEG LIMITED consists were carrying one GLACIER, one PASS, and one of the CLUB series cars in each consist.
The Great Northern was in a unique situation not enjoyed by many railroads in the early 1960's having first class revenues more than holding there own. The GN sleeping cars were traveling full in the summer seasons and not doing to badly in the winters. But 1962 stretched the railroad's passenger capacity to the limit. It was that summer of 1962 that Seattle had its first World's Fair and passenger volume soared to record levels for the duration of the fair. The one problem discovered during the fair was that the GN had a shortage of Double Bedroom capacity in the EMPIRE BUILDER consists. GN began to sense reluctance on many passengers' parts to book upper or lower section space. Maybe it was due to the lack of privacy offered by these accommodations that left these spaces as the very last to be booked after everything else was full. The GN decided to rebuild five of the EMPIRE BUILDER RIVER series Sleeping cars to increase Room space. The cars were returned to Pullman Calumet and emerged as Plan: 4181A cars. Built originally as Plan: 4181 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. After conversion the cars were 7 Duplex Roomette 1 Compartment 7 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. The five cars rebuilt to this configuration in 1963 were 1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER, 1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER, 1263 MILK RIVER, 1264 BAD AXE RIVER and 1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER. After the conversion the cars were assigned to through Chicago - Seattle service in the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Beginning in 1959 the Sleeping car space in the WESTERN STAR was sold at Coach fare plus a room charge in order to answer the NORTH COAST LIMITED Slumbercoach service. The GN only offered the service in the WESTERN STAR and it was a real bargain when one remembers that a typical Slumbercoach was set up for forty passengers. The GLACIER series sleeping cars were 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars with much more spacious accommodation for 24 passengers.
The Great Northern only operated lightweight streamlined sleeping cars in the EMPIRE BUILDER, WESTERN STAR and WINNIPEG LIMITED.

TTFN Al

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom - just stopped by on the way home from the bar.

Looks like Al has begun another "theme," so I better get to my "traditional post" before you "steal" it from me![swg

Name trains of the Great Northern (GN)

QUOTE: Badger
Cascadean
Empire Builder
Fast Mail
Gopher
Oriental Limited
Pacific Coast Express
Red River
Western Star
Winnipeg Limited

As always, these are the most popular of the "name trains" and are not meant to be all inclusive![tup]

I dropped off my "report" on things at home over at the bar . . . .hope to be back either later today, or certainly tomorrow.

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Continuing with the "Theme for the Day!" . . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #9

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check these combined-advertisements out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)

GREAT NORTHERN Empire Builder-Western Star-Newest and Best to the Pacific Northwest

DIESEL AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES BETWEEN CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEPOLIS AND SEATTLE-PORTLAND.

THE EMPIRE BUILDER
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORLAND with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA

NO EXTRA FARE. ALL ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED.

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Coach.
Great Dome Reclining Seat Coaches.
Ranch-Lounge.
Diner.
Sleepers.

Great Dome Luxurious Full Length Dome Lounge with colorful beverage lounge in lower section.

GREAT NORTHERN Direct Route to Glacier National Park in Montana Rockies.

THE WESTERN STAR
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, GREAT FALLS, GLACIER PARK, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORTLAND via St. Cloud with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA and Direct Connections at GREAT FALLS and from HELENA AND BUTTE

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Reclining Seat Coach.
Day-Nite Reclining Seat Coaches.
Dining Car.
Coffee Shop Car.
Pullman Sleeping Cars.

Observation-Lounge.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Continuing the GN theme for the day.

Great
Northern Dome Cars
(GN)
by Al

The Great Northern was the last of the northern transcontinental railways to add domes to their premier train between Chicago and Seattle-Portland. The first of the northwest roads to add domes to their premier train was the Milwaukee Road who added Super Domes to the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA beginning in December 1952. The next of the northwest trains to add domes was the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED with a pair of dome coaches added to each consist in August 1954 and a pair of dome sleeping cars added in November 1954 between Chicago and Pasco. The UP would have three Domes operating in each CITY OF PORTLAND train set by May 1955. One each of Astra-Dome Coach, Astra-Dome Dining Car and Astra-Dome Lounge Observation in each train set between Chicago and Portland. Even the CP CANADIAN was operating domes a month before the GN received the first of their domes in May 1955.
The GN EMPIRE BUILDER would be the first and only train in the US prior to Auto-Train to operate both short domes and a full-length dome in the same consist. When the GN went with domes they spared no expense beginning in May 1955 when three short dome leg rest coaches were added to each of the EMPIRE BUILDERS five consists. Two of the Great Dome coaches were through Chicago – Seattle cars while the third was a Chicago – Portland car operating between Spokane and Portland over the SP&S who would own one of the Great Dome coaches built for the EMPIRE BUILDER by Budd. The CB&Q who operated the EMPIRE BUILDER between Chicago and St. Paul owned three of these Budd built Great domes.
These Coach Domes built for the EMPIRE BUILDER were flat sided cars from Budd as were those built the year before for the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED. The cars were painted in the Omaha Orange, Pullman Green paint scheme with dulux gold separation stripes and lettering. They were an immediate hit with the traveling public. These were the standard 46 leg-rest seat cars with 24 non-revenue seats in the domes built by Budd for overnight train service.
In October 1955 the EMPIRE BUILDER received its full-length dome lounge cars for the exclusive use of the trains Pullman passengers. The VIEW series cars seated 75 on the dome level (25 seat pairs 7 single seats and 18 lounge seats). Beneath the dome was a 32-seat lounge with a bar open to Pullman passengers only. The VIEW series car was train-lined directly behind the 36-seat Dining car ahead of the trailing sleeping cars. The Great Dome Lounge cars operated between Chicago and Seattle. The GN purchased six VIEW series cars one was owned by the CB&Q for EMPIRE BUILDER service. Each eastbound EMPIRE BUILDER had a replenished 36-seat dining car; G-N Ranch car and VIEW series Great Dome replace the arriving cars from Seattle in St. Paul before continuing the trip to Chicago. The EMPIRE BUILDER Great Dome Lounge, G-N Ranch Car and Diner operated a round trip from St. Paul – Chicago – Seattle – St. Paul before being changed out. Additional bar supplies were available enroute but commissary stores for the diner and Ranch car were rarely added anywhere but Seattle.
In the late 1960’s when traffic slowed on the EMPIRE BUILDER the GN assigned one Great Dome coach to each WESTERN STAR consist between St. Paul and Seattle. Since the cars of the WESTERN STAR operated overnight between Chicago and St. Paul combined with the CB&Q BLACKHAWK and NP MAINSTREETER it was not necessary to operate the domes over this part of the trip. The GN WESTERN STAR, NP MAINSTREETER, and CB&Q BLACKHAWK operated combined eastbound and westbound overnight between St. Paul and Chicago.

24-SEAT GREAT DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company May 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1320-1331

SP&S

1332

CB&Q

1333-1335

VIEW SERIES 75 SEAT FULL DOME LOUNGE CARS WITH BAR AND 32 SEAT LOUNGE BENEATH DOME Budd October 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1390 GLACIER VIEW

1391 OCEAN VIEW

1392 MOUNTAIN VIEW

1393 LAKE VIEW

1394 PRAIRIE VIEW

CB&Q

1395 RIVER VIEW

All GN domes were transferred to BN ownership in the 1970 merger.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A little something previously Posted on this Thread, but relevant to the "Theme for the Day!" established by Al . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)

Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific Northwest

Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles

TOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.

LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.

GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.

Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern’s incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDER

To delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.

Great Northern’s EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.

Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.

Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.

For information:
P. G. Holmes
Passenger Traffic Manager
Great Northern Railway
St. Paul 1, Minnesota


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Al - YOU set the "themes" on this Thread!

So, here's my contribution - an ENCORE! . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Great Northern(GN)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage:

1950: 8,220

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 642

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 39,055
Passenger cars: 579

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND
Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND
Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN
Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN
Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle)
Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA
Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT
Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT
Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR

Passenger trains of note:

Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA)
Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND)
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC)
Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom. Didn't know hat todays theme was so thought I would throw this in.

GREAT
NORTHERN
Streamlined Observations
By Al

The Great Northern Railway owned a total of twenty-two streamlined Observations, six from Pullman Standard, nine from American Car & Foundry and seven were rebuilt from heavyweight cars in GN shops.
In anticipation of the new lightweight streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS about to make their debut in February 1947 the GN shops semi-streamlined an old heavyweight car 990 a 56 revenue seat Coach and remodeled the interior for a connecting service with the EMPIRE BUILDER between Great Falls and Havre, Montana. This car 1059 ROBERT S. FORD would be considered a blunt observation with diaphragm. Above the diaphragm was a red mars light. The car was painted in Empire Builder colors and even carried the EMPIRE BUILDER name in its letter board centered above the windows. The interior of the 1059 ROBERT S. FORD was fitted with a 12 seat Dinette and 14 seat Parlor section. The car operated for several years as the EMPIRE BUILDER connection and it is unknown what became of the 1059 ROBERT S. FORD.
The first lightweight streamlined Observations delivered to the GN were the five RIVER series for assignment to the streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS of 1947. These were Pullman Standard built, as were all cars in the 1947 EMPIRE BUILDERS. Each RIVER series car featured 2 Double Bedrooms 1 Drawing Room Buffet 14 seat Cocktail Lounge and 16-seat lounge Observation. These Swallow-tailed Observations were both numbered and named 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER, 1191 MISSOURI RIVER, 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER, 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER and the CB&Q owned 1194 MARIAS RIVER.
They entered EMPIRE BUILDER service beginning February 23, 1947 providing daily service between Chicago and Seattle by way of the Twin Cities. The EMPIRE BUILDER also served Portland with through cars to and from Chicago operated by the SP&S between Spokane and Portland. The RIVER series Observations were always assigned as through cars to Seattle.
On June 3, 1951 the RIVER series Observations along with the original 1947 EMPIRE BUILDER cars became the new WESTERN STAR a secondary train between Chicago and Seattle-Portland. On that same date new 15 cars EMPIRE BUILDER replaced the 12 car trains transferred to the WESTERN STAR. Due to the slower schedule of the WESTERN STAR a sixth consist was necessary to maintain daily service. With that in mind the GN received a sixth RIVER series Observation from Pullman Standard in December 1950 1197 PRIEST RIVER.
The six RIVER series Observations were rebuilt to COULEE series Observations between April and August 1955 with 4 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment and six Roomettes. These became the only lightweight streamlined Observations to ever operate with Roomettes in revenue service. The COULEE series cars were then transferred to the EMPIRE BUILDERS and the MOUNTAIN series Observations from the 1951 EMPIRE BUILDERS were transferred to the WESTERN STAR.
Between December 1967 and February 1968 all five of the Great Northern owned COULEE series Observations were rebuilt to straight 68 revenue seat coaches. The CB&Q COULEE series car was sold privately in 1968.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 14 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

(CB&Q)

1194 MARIAS RIVER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 14 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

1197 PRIEST RIVER

4 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 6 ROOMETTES 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-tailed) rebuilt by Pullman for the GN from RIVER series Observations as follows)

APRIL 1955

1190 CHOUTEAU COULEE originally GN 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

MAY 1955

1193 ROCKY COULEE originally GN 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

JUNE 1955

1191 TWELVE MILE COULEE originally GN 1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1197 GRAND COULEE originally GN 1197 PRIEST RIVER

JULY 1955

1194 TRAIL COULEE originally CB&Q 1194 MARIAS RIVER

AUGUST 1955

1192 CORRAL COULEE originally GN 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

The Great Northern Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER 15 car train sets entered service June 3, 1951. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS featured a new MOUNTAIN series Observation built by American Car & Foundry. The forward part of these cars was occupied by a car attendants Roomette and two other Roomettes, one of these for the Pullman Conductor the other for the traveling Passenger Service Representative. After the Roomettes was a Buffet and a spacious 36 seat Lounge Observation with large picture windows around the lounge area. These cars were assigned MOUNTAIN suffix names and the GN received six of these cars. Only five were necessary for daily EMPIRE BUILDER service but the sixth was rotated in and out at St. Paul as the EMPIRE BUILDER traveled eastbound after being supplied for a round trip from St. Paul to St. Paul. One consist of the 1951 EMPIRE BUILDER was transferred to CB&Q ownership in September 1953 and the 1291 ST. NICHOLAS MOUNTAIN became the Observation transferred to the CB&Q. In August 1955 the MOUNTAIN series Observations were transferred to the WESTERN STAR and the COULEE series were assigned to the EMPIRE BUILDERS. The reason for the change was the EMPIRE BUILDER carried new DOMES and the Lounge space in the MOUNTAIN series wasn't needed as the full-length Great dome for Pullman passengers had more than ample lounge space and a larger Buffet. When the FAST MAIL and WESTERN STAR were combined the MOUNTAIN series Observations became a mid-train car without a diaphragm fitted for the trailing cars that were all storage mail cars anyway. In the final year of operation under the GN before the BN merger the MOUNTAIN series Observations not only operated in the FAST MAIL/WESTERN STAR but also ran in place of PORT series Observations in the INTERNATIONALS.

3 CREW ROOMETTE BUFFET 36 SEAT PICTURE WINDOW LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) American Car & Foundry March 1951 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR in 1955)

GN

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN

CB&Q

1291 ST. NICHOLAS MOUNTAIN

GN

1292 GOING-TO-THE-SUN MOUNTAIN

1293 CATHEDRAL MOUNTAIN

1294 TREMPALEAU MOUNTAIN

1295 LITTLE CHIEF MOUNTAIN

The three remaining new Observations purchased by the Great Northern were all from American Car & Foundry.
Two of these Observations were delivered as part of five car trains for service between Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. three times daily. This service was known as the INTERNATIONALS and the streamliners entered service June 18, 1950. The new INTERNATIONAL each had a Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car, two 60 revenue seat Coaches, a 28 revenue seat Coach 24 seat Dining Car, and the last car was a PORT series Observation. The interior of the two PORT series Observations 1195 PORT OF SEATTLE and 1196 PORT OF VANCOUVER featured a Customs Office Buffet Parlor Bedroom 29 seat Parlor 4 seat Lounge Observation. The reason for the customs office was the trains crossed the border at Blaine - White Rock in each direction. Northbound the customs agents boarded the trains at Mt. Vernon, Washington and traveled with the train to Vancouver. Southbound they boarded the trains in Vancouver and disembarked at Mt. Vernon.

CUSTOMS OFFICE BUFFET PARLOR BEDROOM 29 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 4 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-tailed) American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to INTERNATIONALS)

1195 PORT OF SEATTLE

1196 PORT OF VANCOUVER

The third streamlined train to enter service in 1950 was the RED RIVER between Grand Forks and St. Paul round trip daily. This five car streamlined train comprised of a Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car, three 60 revenue seat Coaches, and the Observation 1147 RED RIVER. The interior of the 1147 RED RIVER featured 12 seat Dinette, 9 seat Coffee Shop Lunch Counter 14 seat Parlor and 2 seat Lounge Observation. In July 1968 1147 RED RIVER was rebuilt to a straight 68 revenue seat Coach retaining the number 1147 but the name Red RIVER was deleted at that time.

12 SEAT DINETTE 9 SEAT COFFEE SHOP LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN 14 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 2 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-tailed) American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to RED RIVER)

1147 RED RIVER

In April 1952 GN shops turned out two streamlined Observations for service bringing up the markers of the BADGER and GOPHER trains between the Twin Cities (St. Paul-Minneapolis) and Twin Ports (Duluth-Superior). These two Observations were rebuilt from heavyweight coaches and were among the first cars to have thermo-pane@ glass installed. The cars were originally built by Pullman as heavyweight Parlor cars and were named CORDELIA and NATALIE. Both were built in August 1926. The GN purchased the pair in 1942 for conversion to coaches. Not only did the GN shops equip the cars with new Thermo-pane@ windows during the rebuilding to streamline Observations but also installed new welded sides and observation end. New steel Dutch-doors were installed at the vestibule end complete with folding traps for the steps. A new smooth contour streamlined roof was installed as well. The Blunt Observation ends of the cars featured a window on either side of the center door with a window as well. Below the two windows on the rear were train name signs one displaying the name BADGER the other the name GOPHER. The interior of the two cars 1083 TWIN CITIES and 1084 TWIN PORTS featured a 10 seat Dinette Buffet 26 seat Parlor Lounge Observation. A few years after the trains entered service the two Observations had a diaphragm installed at the Observation end. Later the 1083 TWIN CITIES was rebuilt to Track Measuring car B-9. The 1084 TWIN PORTS was retired.

10 SEAT DINETTE BUFFET 26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) GN SHOPS rebuilt April 1952 (Rebuilt and streamlined for BADGER and GOPHER)

1083 TWIN CITIES

1084 TWIN PORTS

A third observation identical to the 1083 TWIN CITIES and TWIN PORTS was rebuilt and streamlined by GN shops in October 1954. This time a 1929 built Pullman Solarium Observation originally built for the EMPIRE BUILDER named DAVID C. SHEPARD was selected for rebuilding. This car was numbered 1085 and did not carry a name. The 1085 was assigned to the GN Seattle - Portland pool trains and when the GN dropped Parlor service on this route the car remained in Seattle being assigned to the INTERNATIONALS when one of their PORT series cars required more than just routine maintenance. The 1085 was rebuilt later to GN Business car B-2 DESCHUTES RIVER.

10 SEAT DINETTE BUFFET 26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Rebuilt and Streamlined by GN shops from heavyweight car)

1085

The final two observations rebuilt and streamlined by GN shops were 1060 and 1061. These were rebuilt and streamlined for the CASCADIANS between Seattle and Spokane. These were rebuilt from heavyweight dining cars 1030 OREGON and 1031 WISCONSIN in 1954. There only claim to being Observations was the one end of these cars above the diaphragm had a red mars light installed and there were train sign boards mounted on the rear on either side of the diaphragm for the signs CASCADIAN. The interiors were extensively rebuilt and modernized having a kitchen 16 seat Café and 18 reserved coach seats. These seats were generally held for passengers traveling the entire distance between Seattle and Spokane. And sometimes these seats accommodated all of the passengers traveling that day especially in the final years of the CASCADIANS. In later years the cars were assigned to the DAKOTANS with the Dinette area increased to 20 seats and the Coach section seating increased to 24.

KITCHEN 16 SEAT DINETTE CAFÉ 18 RESERVED SEAT COACH OBSERVATIONS Rebuilt by GN shops from heavyweight Dining Cars 1954)

1060, 1061


TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Stealing a page from Lars - who is quite busy these days! - here's some Erie passenger train info:

Erie passenger trains with "names" of note!

Atlantic Express
Erie Limited
Lake Cities
Mountain Express
Pacific Express
Southern Tier Express


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Great to see ya back, Lars! After reading your Post over at the bar, I'm surprised you found the time to get online. Appreciate it though . . . [tup][tup]

Thanx, Al for the add-on to the "Theme!"[tup][tup]

Here's a rather interesting old map of the Erie to peruse . . . .

Erie RR map (1855) (public domain)


Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom and Al -

Just dropped off a note over at the bar and before I sign off the net, thought I'd see what's happening over here.

The Erie now there's a name from the past! Haven't got time right now to make a contribution (see my post at the bar) but will try either later on this day or tomorrow. Been rather "busy" if you know what I mean.

Until the next time!

Lars

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom Just read your Erie Post thought this might fit in. The Erie was not a big owner of streamlined equipment.

ERIE Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The Erie owned a total of thirteen lightweight streamlined sleeping cars all built by Pullman Standard. There were three different types of sleeping cars purchased by the Erie. First to arrive on the Erie were four AMERICAN series 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard. These were part of a large order for these cars that went to Union Pacific, Chicago & North Western, Southern Pacific, Santa Fe, Rock Island, Missouri Pacific and Illinois Central. The four cars received in June 1942 were assigned to the ERIE LIMITED between New York and Chicago.

6 SECTION 6 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June 1942 Plan: 4099 Lot: 6669 (Built for and assigned to ERIE LIMITED & LAKE CITIES)

AMERICAN LIBERTY

AMERICAN LIFE

AMERICAN UNITY

AMERICAN WAY

It would be 1949 before additional lightweight streamlined sleeping cars would join the Erie. In May-June 1949 Pullman Standard delivered seven 10-6 sleeping cars named for persons who had influenced the Erie. These cars were assigned to the ERIE LIMITED, LAKE CITIES and ATLANTIC EXPRESS.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1949 Plan: 4129A Lot: 6797 (Built for and assigned to ERIE LIMITED, LAKE CITIES and ATLANTIC EXPRESS)

BENJAMIN LODER

CHARLES MINOT

DANIEL CRAIG McCALLUM

ELEAZAR LORD

JAMES GORE KING

MARVIN KENT

WILLIAM REYNOLDS

After the delivery of the 10-6 sleeping cars the sleeping car assignments on the Erie were as follows.

ERIE LIMITED #1

New York - Chicago
10-6

Salamanca - Chicago
6-6-4

Akron - Chicago
10-6

ERIE LIMITED #2

Chicago - New York
10-6

Chicago - Salamanca
6-6-4

LAKE CITIES #5

New York - Chicago
10-6

New York - Cleveland 6-6-4

LAKE CITIES # 6

Chicago - New York
10-6

Cleveland - New York
6-6-4

ATLANTIC EXPRESS #8

Chicago - Akron
10-6

The Erie purchased two 10-5 Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard that were delivered in June 1954 that were nearly identical to the 10-5 sleeping cars purchased by the Canadian National about the same time. The two Erie 10-5 Sleeping cars were assigned to service between Chicago and Youngstown overnight in each direction. The eastbound car traveled in the ATLANTIC EXPRESS and the westbound car traveled in the ERIE LIMITED.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June 1954 Plan: 4186B Lot: 6946 (Built for and assigned to Chicago - Youngstown service in ERIE LIMITED and ATLANTIC EXPRESS)

PRIDE OF YOUNGSTOWN

SPIRIT OF YOUNGSTOWN

The Erie merged with the Delaware Lackawanna and Western in October 1960 creating the Erie - Lackawanna.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #45

Here’s another Passener RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Erie Railroad

Headquarters: Cleveland, OH

Mileage in 1950: 2,341

Locomotives in 1960:

Diesel: 695

Rolling stock in 1960:

Freight cars: 20,372
Passenger cars: 519

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City-Paterson, NJ-Middletown-Hornell, NY-Youngstown, OH-Chicago (Hammond-Chicago via rights on the Chicago & Western Indiana)
Marion-Dayton-Cincinnati, OH (Dayton-Cincinnati via rights on the B&0)
Hamilton, OH-Indianapolis, IN (rights on the B&O)
Leavittsburg-Cleveland, OH
Pymatuning, PA-Leavittsburg, OH
Hornell-Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY
Salamanca-Dunkirk, NY
Corning (Painted Post)-Attica, NY
Avon-Rochester, NY
River Junction-Cuba Junction, NY
Carrolton, NY-Eleanora Jct., NY (Brockway-Eleanora Jct. via B&O rights)
Corning, NY-Newberry, Jct., PA
Lanesboro-Wilkes Barre & Scranton, PA
Lackawaxen-Avoca, PA
Newburgh Jct.-Campbell Hall-Graham, NY
Maybrook-Pine Island, NY
Croxton (Jersey City)-Nyack, NY
Piermont-Suffern, NY
NY&NJ Jct.,-Ridgewood Jct.
Paterson (Newark Jct.)-Newark, NJ
Croxton-Midvale, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Erie Limited (Jersey City-Chicago & Buffalo)
Lake Cities (Jersey City-Cleveland & Buffalo; later extended to Chicago)
Pacific Express (Jersey City-Chicago)
Atlantic Express (Chicago-Jersey City)
Midlander (Jersey City-Chicago)
Southern Tier Express (Buffalo-Hornell-Jersey City)
Mountain Express (Jersey City-Hornell)
Tuxedo (Jersey City-Port Jervis)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check this CN map out . . . .



Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hello Al . . .

Nice work, as always. Haven't got anything to add right now. Been preparing some Pix for tomorrow's Sunday Photo Posting Day! at the bar . . .

See ya!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]