A Classic REAL Trains 'n Traction FOTO site!

[LoveDomes]

Hi tTom

Just popped in from the bar to see what's going on. I see it's just YOU! Back to that stage again, huh[?]

Between the Brit stuff over here and the Santa Fe over at the bar, I can't tell heads from tails![swg] You've got me hopping all over the place.

So, here's what I'm going to do - I think I'll just enjoy your pix and take a bye until the next time. Fair enough[?]

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day,

Final installment of Brit Trains for awhile . . .

BR Class 460 Gatwick Express (from: public domain)


BR Class 323 Central Trains (from: public domain)


BR Class 390 Virgin Valiant (from: public domain)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

All this talk of British Rail - time for a map!



Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

A few more Brit Rail Pix . . .

BR Class 156 Northern Rail (from: public domain)


BR Class 375 Electrostar (from: public domain)


BR Class 171 Southern (from: public domain)


That's it - Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Lars

Good to hear from you and I'm glad to know that you've survived the storm!![swg]

Thanx for the Dome listing and Part deux is looked forward to . . .

I really enjoyed those MoPac and IC Pix you Posted over at the bar, very nice and very much appreciated![tup]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hi Tom

You were absolutely correct - my back IS aching today![swg] And I'm spending this day indoors - not quite what the grandkids wanted, but . . . .

As you know, we've had a whopper here in the NYC area. But now we are headed for a warm up, so the mess will just change in appearance. Hope that basement work we had done a few years ago holds up!!

Here's something just for you, Tom in two parts:

Domes - BY NAME
====================================

QUOTE: "Astra Domes" - General Motors
"Astra Domes" - UP

"Big Domes" - ATSF full domes
"Big Domes" - Auto Train ex ATSF cars

"Colorados" - Holland America Colorado Railcar "ultradomes"

"Dome Cars" - Amtrak
"Dome Cars" - N&W
"Dome Cars" - Southern
"Domeliners" - UP trains with dome cars(generic)
"Domes" - Holland America (generic to differentiate from 'colorados')

"Goldleaf Domes" - Rocky Mountaineer (honorary)
"Great Domes" - GN

"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - ATSF "El Cap" lounges(honorary)
"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - Amtrak ex-ATSF lounges(honorary)

"Lounge in the Sky" - NP rebuilt sleepers
"Luxury Domes" - Transcisco

"Maxi Domes" - Ferrovias Mexicanas ex US baggage cars cars
"Maxi Domes" - Auto Train ex UP cars
"Mini Domes" - Auto Train ex WP cars

"Park" cars - CP Rail observation domes
"Park" cars - VIA Rail observation domes
"Planetarium" dome - IGN
"Planetarium" domes - MP
"Planetarium" dome - T&P
"Pleasure Domes" - ATSF short domes
"Princess Domes" - Amtrak ex Princess Tours cars
"Princess Domes" - Princess Tours ex-MILW cars

"Scenadomes" - Holland America Westours
"Sceneramic Domes" - CN
"Scenic Domes" - CP Rail (all)
"Sightseer Lounges" - Amtrak Superliner lounges(honorary)
"Skyline" cars - CP Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skyline" cars - VIA Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skytops" - Milwaukee Road observations(honorary)
"Stairway to the Stars" - SP
"Strata Domes" - B&O
"Sun Lounges" - SAL(honorary)
"Super Domes" - Milwaukee Road

"Turbo Domes" - Amtrak for their UA Turbos
"Turbo Domes" - PC/USDOT (honorary)
"Turquoise Domes" - ATSF short domes(not official)

"Ultra Domes" - Princess Tours ex SP bi-levels

"Vista Domes" - Alaska RR
"Vista Domes" - C&O
"Vista Domes" - CB&Q (orginator of the term)
"Vista Domes" - D&RGW
"Vista Domes" - GN short domes
"Vista Domes" - IC
"Vista Domes" - NP short domes
"Vista Domes" - SCL
"Vista Domes" - SP&S
"Vista Domes" - Wabash
"Vista Domes" - WP

(from: www.trainweb.com)

As always, these are not intended to be all inclusive, but should suffice for the purposes of what we do at this thread and over at the bar![swg]

Next will the the listing by railroad![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[artpeterson]

Hi Al -

As always, thanks much for the info!

[passengerfan]

Hello artperson, Saw your inquiry about the so called American Flyer Coaches of the SSW hope this helps.


The Southern Pacific and its subsidiaries would purchase large numbers of streamlined cars for service in certain trains and at the same time other streamlined car purchases would be to make up entire streamlined trains. The year 1937 would mark the year that the Southern Pacific and both of its major subsidiaries Texas & Pacific and Cotton Belt would receive their first streamlined cars. The Southern Pacific and Texas & New Orleans would introduce complete streamlined trains that year while the Cotton Belt would receive 10 lightweight semi streamlined 76 revenue seat Coaches 400 - 409 from Pullman Standards old Osgood Bradley plant that were referred to as American Flyer cars.
These were the only so called American Flyer Coaches to ever be purchased by the Southern Pacific or any of its subsidiaries. The only named train these cars ever operated in was the overnight LONE STAR LIMITED between Dallas and St. Louis. These were the only lightweight cars ever assigned to the LONE STAR LIMITED. The Cotton Belt renumbered the cars 200 – 209 in June 1940. These cars were eventually transferred to the parent Southern Pacific who renumbered them for operation in Peninsula commuter trains between San Francisco and San Jose as well as several other assignments. The transfer to Southern Pacific took place as passenger services on the Cotton Belt ended in 1952. The cars were transferred to SP Pacific lines in June 1952 and assigned four digit SP numbers at that time.

76-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman/Bradley November 1937 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

400 – 409

Renumbered June 1940

200 – 209

Southern Pacific renumbering of these cars after transfer to Pacific Lines
June 1952

2350 ex SL-SW 200 originally 400

2351 ex SL-SW 203 originally 403

July 1956

2203 ex SL-SW 201 originally 401

2204 ex SL-SW 209 originally 409

July 1958

2210 ex SL-SW 205 originally 405

November 1958

2205 ex SL-SW 202 originally 402

2206 ex SL-SW 207 originally 407

April 1959

2207 ex SL-SW 204 originally 404

2208 ex SL-SW 206 originally 406

2209 ex SL-SW 208 originally 408

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Hello artpeterson

Glad you like the BR Pix![tup]

My limited knowledge of the SSW and their American Flyer coaches reveals that "200" was the number series for their "chair cars." Perhaps passengerfan Al will be along in a bit with some amplifying info ....

Check us out over a "Our" Place - you'll find it much more interactive and fun![tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[artpeterson]

Hi Tom -

Thanks for posting the British DMU images. They have made considerable strides since the days of the Leyland railbuses in comfort, safety and performance levels for DMUs. As usual, we are light-years behind them in this technology.

Metra has had an interest in in the past in acquiring FRA-compliant DMUs for their proposed "STAR" project (O'Hare-Hoffman Estates-Joliet; about 55 miles one-way, including 35 or so on or along the EJ&E). Will be interesting to see if it remains DMU or reverts to loco-hauled, and from that if both European and Asian vendors propose in response to the solicitation.

Have another question, completely unrelated to DMUs, and that is can anyone tell me the number series SSW used on their "American Flyer" style coaches? Have a slide of one on the back of a train in Dallas in 1953, but even when projected on the wall can't absolutely convince myself if the car is the 2701 or whatever. Appreciate whatever help any of you can offer!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Been checking out the British Rail Pix and they surely have some interesting 'stuff' - check these out:

BR Class 170 First ScotRail (from: public domain)


BR Class 170 (from: public domain)


BR Class 170 Turbostar (from: public domain)


More later on . . .[tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

An interesting and educational piece from passengerfan Al. [tup][tup]

This piece would have been a "natural" back on November 11th when we celebrated Vets/Remembrance Day at the bar[?] Surely would have been more than appropriate.

I suggest you file this one away for the NEXT 'special event' commemorating our Vets over at the bar. Agreed[?][tup]

Hope Lars is safe 'n sound in snowbound Staten Island, NYC![swg][tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom, Just Thought I would throw the following into the fire for thought today.

WORLD WAR II
FOR THE Pasenger Trains
(June 21,1942 – January 14, 1945)
By Al

Between the above two dates no new trains were permitted to enter service streamlined or otherwise and certainly no new passenger cars were delivered after June 21, 1942 that were not Troop Sleepers Troop Kitchens or Hospital cars. These three types of cars could certainly not be mistaken for lightweight streamlined cars by any stretch of the imagination. In the case of the troop sleeper and Kitchen car they resembled lengthened Box Cars riding on high speed express car trucks. Only the Hospital cars more closely resembled streamlined cars except they were shorter than standard streamlined cars and rode on six wheel trucks.
The last Sleeping cars delivered in WW II for the railroads were a large group of 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars from Pullman Standard for the AT&SF (26), C&NW (7), CRI&P (7), ERIE (4), IC (12), MP (4), SP (17), and UP (42). This group of cars and the numbers in parenthesis represent the postwar ownership of these Sleeping Cars.
Many types of passenger cars were ordered stored for the duration of the war by Government edict such as straight Lounge Cars, many Parlor cars and other so called non-essential car types. In the place of the Lounge and Parlor cars additional coaches and Sleeping Cars were substituted to increase passenger capacity on the trains. Any shop time required by Passenger cars in WW II was kept to a minimum and unless it interfered with safety many roads deferred any major work until the national emergency was over.
As the war was drawing to a close and the outcome was all but assured the government permitted the Railroads to enter discussions with the car manufacturers for their postwar passenger car needs to be delivered when hostilities ended. Many Railroads were anxious to equip there remaining named trains with lightweight streamliners and the postwar building boom in lightweight streamlined trains would witness the final push by the railroads to streamline those trains they felt showed the potential for traffic growth and a profit. Or those trains whose terminals were duplicated by competing roads where each tried to outdo their competitors in passenger comfort and amenities.
It would be the latter half of 1946 before the first postwar streamliners equipped with new cars began making an appearance. The war may have been over but shortages of some materials still existed as well as many of the prewar subcontractors had to change from the products they had manufactured during the war back to those things they had manufactured before the war for the railroad car manufacturers. The car manufacturers soon discovered that their were new manufacturers that had been involved in wartime products that were anxious to keep there doors open, and if the car manufacturers were looking for sub contractors to produce different items for the postwar car business they were certainly easy to find. In 1946 their would be a total of eight new all coach streamliners WHIPPOORWILL, MEADOWLARK, PERE MARQUETTES, HUMMING BIRDS, and GEORGIANS. The one common factor all eight of these postwar train sets had in common was the power up front for the postwar EMD E7A unit powered all. The postwar E7A was nearly identical to the prewar EMD E6A unit with both developing 2,000 hp. But externally the long sloping nose was missing from the postwar E7A when compared to the E6A, instead the E7A and all future E units were equipped with the standard EMD Bulldog nose that would also become the standard of the EMD F units. The eight trains mentioned above did not represent the entire streamlined passenger car production during this period but they were the only complete streamliners to enter service in 1946. It would be 1947 before the trains began rolling from the manufacturers in greater numbers as the shortages of certain materials at last began to ease.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

Hello Lars & Al

Good contributions on the CP . . . Sounds like you experienced quite a blizzard in NYC, Lars hope all's okay with you and yours.[tup]

Really had quite a Sunday Photo Posting Day! over at the bar and for anyone browsing through this thread, you really should take a look. Good stuff![tup]

I'm "Posted out" for the day . . .. so until the 'morrow!

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom

Just swung by on the way back home from the bar . . . . really a winter wonderland that I'm heading back to . . . bad, bad situation, over 2 ft right now and accumulating.

Good grief, Al are you trying to set a record?? Good stuff, of course, but man oh man, you gotta break it up some - too much!

Here's something to add to the CP "theme"

Name trains of the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR)

Alouette
Chicago Express
Chinook
Dominion
Frontenac
Great West
Gull
Kettle Valley Express
Kootenay Express
Laurentian
Michigan
Montreal Limited
Overseas
Red Wing
Royal York
Viger
Winnipeger

As always, these are just a few of the name trains - hardly inclusive, but the ones perhaps people know the best.

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Hi Al

That's quite a listing - I finally had to "fast forward" to the end - way too long to absorb it all. Why not put these out in Parts/Sections[?][?][?]

One of these days I'm going to amass a listing of all of the VIA Rail cars I've traveled in - should be interesting to see, given over 16 years of traveling aboard those beautfiful Budd stainless steel cars.[tup]

A current route map of the CP


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the others contributing to this thread. With that in mind will add a little CPR info one of my favorite railroads.
Sorry to hear about the weather in the Northeast It was 71 here yesterday and we are going to have the same today. Sure is tough bringing out the shorts this early in the season.

CANADIAN
PACIFIC Railway Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The CPR has the distinction of being the only railroad in North America to construct lightweight streamlined first class sleeping cars in heir own shops.
This was really just a natural evolution as the CPR built many heavyweight sleeping cars in the same Angus shops located in Montreal. The sleeping cars built by the CPR were modern heavyweights during the period 1928-1931.
The cars were assigned to such trains as the IMPERIAL between Montreal and Vancouver, the DOMINION between Toronto and Vancouver and the Montreal - Chicago CANADIAN (not to be confused with the later transcontinental streamliner by this name). The SOO-PACIFIC EXPRESS between Chicago and Vancouver connected with the DOMINION westbound at Moose Jaw for the remainder of the trip to Vancouver. Eastbound the SOO-PACIFIC EXPRESS operated combined with the IMPERIAL between Vancouver and Moose Jaw.
First of the new heavyweight cars to come from Angus shops were the ten LAKE series 4 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet lounge cars in 1928.

LAKE ANNIS

LAKE CHAMCOCK

LAKE ERIE

LAKE HURON

LAKE MEGANTIC

LAKE NIPPISSING

LAKE O'HARA

LAKE ONTARIO

LAKE WINDERMERE

LAKE WINNIPEG

These were followed by the "R" series 8 Section 2 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Sleeping cars in 1929. These cars were assigned to transcontinental train services.

RAPID CITY

RATHWELL

RAVENSCRAG

RAYMOND

REDCLIFF

RED DEER

REDVERS

REGENT

REGINA

RENFREW

RENNIE

RENOWN

RESTON

RICHFORD

RIPPLES

RIVERTON

ROBINDALE

ROCANVILLE

ROMFORD

ROSEMARY

ROSEMERE

ROSENFELD

ROSETOWN

ROSSER

ROSSLAND

ROSSPORT

RUBY CREEK

RUSKIN

RUTHERGLEN


In 1931 the CPR Angus shops built three BAY series 3 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Buffet 22 seat Solarium Lounge Observations for assignment to the CANADIAN between Montreal and Chicago. These cars spent most of their operational lives in this service. They operated in the CNR-CPR pool train for the Montreal - Toronto part of their trips.

GEORGIAN BAY

JAMES BAY

THUNDER BAY

The "S" series 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleepers were delivered in 1931. These cars were assigned to trains system wide.

SALMON ARM

SALVADOR

SASKATOON

SAUGEEN

SAULT STE. MARIE

SCEPTRE

SCHRIEBER

SCOTSGUARD

SCOTSTOWN

SENTINEL

SHAMROCK

SHANNONVILLE

SHARBOT LAKE

SHAWANAGA

SHAWBRIDGE

SHAWINIGAN FALLS

SHERBROOKE

SHOAL LAKE

SHUSWAP

SILVERDALE

SILVERTON

SLOCAN CITY

SMITHS FALLS

SNOWFLAKE

SOUTHAMPTON

SOVEREIGN

SPENCERVILLE

SPUZZUM

STANBRIDGE

STAPLEHURST

STEELTON

STONEHENGE

STRATHMORE

STREETSVILLE

STURGEON FALLS

SUDBURY

SUMMERLAND

SUMMERLEA

SUTHERLAND

SWIFT CURRENT

Two other classes of 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping cars were kept in excellent shape by the CP Angus shops and even though they were heavyweights hey would serve the railroad until the 1950's. These were the N series and T series cars listed below.

NAISCOOT

NAKUSP

NAMAKA

NANTON

NAPINKA

NAPLES

NASEBOY

NAUGHTON

NAVAN

NEMEGOS

NESBITT

NESTLETON

NETLEY

NEUDORF

NEVILLE

NEVIS

NEWBURG

NEW DALE

NEW DENVER

NEWMARKET

NEWPORT

NEWSTEAD

NEWTONVILLE

NEW WESTMINSTER

NIAGARA

NICOLET

NIGHTINGALE

NINGA

NIXON

NOBEL

NORTH BAY

NORTHCOTE

NORTH PORTAL

NORTH TROY

NOSBONSING

NOTCH HILL


TABER

TADANAC

TAFT

TALON

TAPPEN

TAYLOR

TEESWATER

TELFORD

TENAGA

THESSALON

THORNE

THRUMS

THURSO

TICHBORNE

TILBURY

TILLEY

TINKER

TISDALE

TOMPKINS

TORONTO

TORQUAY

TORRENT

TRACY

TRAIL

TRAVERS

TRAYNOR

TRENTON

TRIBUNE

TRING

TROUP

TRUMP

TUDOR

TUPPER

TURBINE

TURNER

TUXFORD

TWEED

TYNDALL

Following WW II the Angus shops were busy repairing worn out cars and producing new streamlined cars. Between September 1949 and February 1950 the Angus shops built the nineteen GROVE series 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. These were the only first class streamlined sleeping cars ever produced by a North American Railroad. The GROVE series were easily distinguishable as CPR Angus shop products by their curved sides. The cars were assigned to General Service and after giving yeoman service to the CPR were sold to the NdeM for further use.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS CPR Angus Shops September 1949 - February 1950 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

14101 APPLE GROVE

14102 ASH GROVE

14103 BALSAM GROVE

14104 BEECH GROVE

14105 BIRCH GROVE

14106 CEDAR GROVE

14107 ELM GROVE

14108 FIR GROVE

14109 MAPLE GROVE

14110 OAK GROVE

14111 OLIVE GROVE

14112 ORANGE GROVE

14113 PALM GROVE

14114 PEACH GROVE

14115 PINE GROVE

14116 POPLAR GROVE

14117 SPRUCE GROVE

14118 WALNUT GROVE

14119 WILLOW GROVE

Canadian Pacific began shopping for new streamlined lightweight cars in 1952. Representatives of the railroad visited each of the car manufacturers in both Canada and the United States. The group with the most enthusiasm was the group that visited Budd Companies Red Lion facility outside Philadelphia in November 1952. While their the team toured the plant and while touring the plant they happened to see the nearly complete CB&Q 378 SILVER LOOKOUT. This car was a Vista - Dome 3 double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet Cocktail Lounge Observation Lounge Car destined for service in the famed CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. One look at this car and the group was sold.
They returned to Canada and began putting plans together for a train to be named the ROYAL CANADIAN for transcontinental service. Not only did the CPR order enough cars for the new ROYAL CANADIAN later called just the CANADIAN the ROYAL being dropped before the cars were even delivered, but they ordered enough of the new cars to equip the secondary DOMINION train with many of the new Budd cars. Three types of Sleeping cars were ordered from Budd the CHATEAU series with 8 Duplex Roomettes 3 Double Bedrooms 1 Drawing Room and 4 Sections. The CPR ordered 29 of these cars all named for CHATEAUS.
Another type streamlined sleeping car ordered from Budd was the MANOR series cars with 4 Roomettes 5 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment and 4 Sections, the CPR ordered 42.
The third sleeping car type ordered from Budd was the 3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room 12 seat Mural Lounge Buffet 24 seat Dome 13 seat Lounge Observation PARK series cars. These cars were nearly identical to the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR car seen in Philadelphia in November 1952. The CPR ordered 18 of the PARK series cars, they were named for Canadian National and Provincial parks.

8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 1 DRAWING ROOM 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 4 SECTION SLEEPING CARS Budd Company July - November 1954 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN and DOMINION initially)

CHATEAU ARGENSON

CHATEAU BIENVILLE

CHATEAU BRULE

CHATEAU CADILLAC

CHATEAU CLOSSE

CHATEAU DENONVILLE

CHATEAU DOLLARD

CHATEAU DOLLIER

CHATEAU IBERVILLE

CHATEAU JOLLIET

CHATEAU LA SALLE

CHATEAU LATOUR

CHATEAU LAUZON

CHATEAU LAVAL

CHATEAU LEMOYNE

CHATEAU LEVIS

CHATEAU MAISONNEUVE

CHATEAU MARQUETTE

CHATEAU MONTCALM

CHATEAU PAPINEAU

CHATEAU RADDISON

CHATEAU RICHELIEU

CHATEAU RIGAUD

CHATEAU ROBERVA

CHATEAU ROUVILLE

CHATEAU SALABERRY

CHATEAU VARENNES

CHATEAU VERCHERES

CHATEAU VIGER

4 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 4 SECTION SLEEPING CARS Budd Company September 1954 - February 1955 (Built for CANADIAN and DOMINION initially)

ABBOT MANOR

ALLAN MANOR

AMHERST MANOR

AYLMER MANOR

BAYFIELD MANOR

BELL MANOR

BLAIR MANOR

BLISS MANOR

BRANT MANOR

BROCK MANOR

BURTON MANOR

BUTLER MANOR

CABOT MANOR

CAMERON MANOR

CARLETON MANOR

CHRISTIE MANOR

CORNWALL MANOR

CRAIG MANOR

DAWSON MANOR

DOUGLAS MANOR

DRAPER MANOR

DRUMMOND MANOR

DUFFERIN MANOR

DUNSMUIR MANOR

ELGIN MANOR

FRANKLIN MANOR

FRASER MANOR

GRANT MANOR

HEARNE MANOR

HUNTER MANOR

JARVIS MANOR

LAIRD MANOR

LORNE MANOR

MacDONALD MANOR

MacKENZIE MANOR

MONCK MANOR

OSLER MANOR

ROGERS MANOR

SHERWOOD MANOR

STUART MANOR

THOMPSON MANOR

WOLFE MANOR

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM 12 SEAT MURAL LOUNGE BUFFET 24 SEAT SCENIC DOME 13 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company August - December 1954 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN and DOMINION initially)

ALGONQUIN PARK

ASSINIBOINE PARK

BANFF PARK

EVANGELINE PARK

FUNDY PARK

GLACIER PARK

KOKANEE PARK

KOOTENAY PARK

LAURENTIDE PARK

PRINCE ALBERT PARK

REVELSTOKE PARK

RIDING MOUNTAIN PARK

SIBLEY PARK

STRATHCONA PARK

TREMBLANT PARK

TWEEDSMUIR PARK

WATERTON PARK

YOHO PARK

Besides the above cars the CNR Angus shops were busy remodeling twenty-two 14 Section Tourist Sleeping cars for assignment to the CANADIAN. The heavyweight tourist cars were refurbished and repainted inside. The exteriors of the cars were fitted with fluted stainless steel panels to match the exteriors of the lightweight stream-lined Budd built cars. The CPR "U" series tourist sleeping cars lasted until 1965 in the consists of the CANADIAN before being withdrawn. They were easily spotted in the trains as the clerestory roofs of theses cars were higher than the Budd cars. The CANADIANS carried three per consist and they were found forward in the train just behind the Budd built Baggage Crew Dormitory car and ahead of the coach section of the CANADIAN.

14 SECTION TOURIST SLEEPING CARS Rebuilt by CPR Angus shops between October 1954 and April 1955 (Rebuilt for and assigned to CANADIAN)

UDALL

UGANDA

ULLSWATER

ULSTER

ULYSSES

UMBER

UNDERWOOD

UNICORN

UNITY

UNIVERSE

UNWIN

UPLANDS

UPSALA

UPTON

URANUS

URBAN

UREN

URQUHART

USHER

UTICA

UTOPIA

UXBRIDGE

The Canadian Pacific purchased eight used sleeping cars from the NYC for service in the joint pool trains between Montreal and Toronto. Four of these cars were Pullman Standard built prewar 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom CASCADE series cars from the NYC. These cars were originally built by Pullman Standard in June - July 1940 to Plan: 4072C in Lot: 6610. They were given DALE suffix names for Canadian Pacific service and repainted in the Maroon color scheme.

ARMDALE originally NYC 10052 CASCADE STREAM

BROOKDALE originally NYC 10053 CASCADE WAVES

CLOVERDALE originally NYC 10058 CASCADE SPRINGS

RIVERDALE originally NYC 10059 CASCADE TORRENT

The four 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations were all Budd built cars. Three of the cars were built with regular size windows around the lounge area and the fourth had high windows and a raised floor in that area of the lounge for better viewing.
The first three were delivered to the NYC by Budd in May - June 1949 part of a four car order, one was assigned to the NEW ENGLAND STATES the other two to the OHIO STATE LIMITED originally. The fourth car purchased by the CPR was delivered to the NYC in June - July 1949 part of a three car order for assignment to the SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company May - June 1949 Plan: 9506 Lot: 9664 (Purchased used from NYC for assignment to Pool trains between Montreal and Toronto)

EASTVIEW originally NYC 10562 FALL BROOK

RIVERVIEW originally NYC 10563 PLUM BROOK

SEAVIEW originally NYC 10560 BABBLING BROOK

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT RAISED HIGH WINDOWED LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company June - July 1949 Plan: 9508 Lot: 9636-023 (Built for NYC sold to CPR for assignment to Pool trains between Montreal and Toronto)

MOUNTAIN VIEW originally NYC 10564 SINGING BROOK

All Budd built cars still owned by the CPR were transferred to VIA Rail Canada with the exception of YOLO PARK wrecked while in CANADIAN service in Northwestern Ontario. The four VIEW series cars purchased from the NYC were sold off the property before the VIA Rail Service began.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Something a bit different:




Sweden: TEE, built in 1962 by DBAG (Deutsche Bahn AG), Germany
(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

A bit of activity again - my faith is restored (well, almost!).[swg]

Nice input, Al and we can 'run' with the CP "theme" for a bit . . . .

Thought for sure you'd pick up on those Amtrak shots, but I think you've been rather busy elsewhere, eh[?] Hope you are trying to win us some new friends!

Good to see ya Lars - I've been checking the weather up your way and things are getting rather nasty as the night progresses. Tomorrow ought to be the story-teller, eh[?] Throw another blanket on and stay warm and dry![tup]

Good input on the CP domes - figured you'd find something for us to enjoy on THAT subject![swg]

Catch y'all in the 'morrow!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hey Tom

Neither wind, nor ice, nor snow and more snow can keep some of us from stopping by the bar and this thread to see whazzup![swg]

Those are fine Pix of the former Wabash obs dome - especially liked that shot of the Drumhead on Amtrak! Sweet . . .

Here's a little something to add to the CP "theme" - from:www.trainweb.com:

QUOTE: In July 1954, CP received the first of 36 "Scenic Domes" from Budd, 18 sleeper - observation - Lounges, and 18 coach - buffet - lounges to equip the "Dominion" and the new "Canadian". 33 cars were on the property in 1954, with the final 3 coaches (515-517) delivered the following year.

The Canadian required 7 trainsets to serve Montreal - Vancouver, and the Dominion, due to a slower schedule, required 8 sets. Also, each train operated a Toronto-Sudbury section that was also dome equipped, thus the 18 car orders.

The "Park" series observation cars (each named after a Canadian park) were built with 3 double bedrooms, a drawing room, an under-dome cocktail bar and a lounge.

The 18 mid-train dome coaches are known as "Skyline" cars and normally provide dome space for coach passengers (in busy season they are also used to augment sleeper dome space). These dome-coffee shop cars were named as such in paying a tribute to the famous (at least in Canada) "Skyline Trail Hikers of the Canadian Rockies". This group was founded during 1933 and was comprised of a number of avid ("foamers"?) mountain climbers/hikers. Currently operating on VIA Rail, these very popular cars have the word "Skyline" on the side along with their 85XX series number.
As orginally configured they featured 26 coach seats (removable), a lounge for 17 and 24 dome seats. Under the dome section was a 6-seat buffet and a kitchen. When acquired by VIA Rail, they were reconfigured in the 1980's by removing the coach seats and replacing them with fixed cafe dining tables, seating 24. The 6-seat buffet was replaced with a snack take-out counter. Therefore, they were no longer "dome coach - buffet - lounges" but now "dome café - lounges".

Reports during the 2001 season said that the dining tables had become lounge areas, and that they Skylines were being "paired" with diners and not being utilized as diners per se.

All cars except the scrapped 15405 became VIA property in August 1978 (5 months after VIA began).

Until the next time!

Lars

[passengerfan]

Tom you certainly know how to get my attention when you put CPR out their. Hope you enjoy my CPR Streamlined Coach posting.


CANADIAN
PACIFIC
RAILWAY Streamlined Coaches
by AL

The Canadian Pacific Railway was Canada’s privately owned transcontinental railroad and as such presented provided one of the finest images in the transportation industry. The Canadian Pacific not only provided the fastest train service from St. John on the Bay of Fundy to Montreal by their shortcut across the state of Maine on the ATLANTIC LIMITED. But they also provided connecting steamship service across the Bay of Fundy from St. John to Digby, Nova Scotia where they connected with the Dominion Atlantic Railway that ran between Yarmouth and Halifax, Nova Scotia. From Montreal or Toronto one could board the Canadian Pacific DOMINION to Vancouver on the west coast after a spectacular trip through the Canadian Rockies. After arrival at the CP station on Vancouver’s waterfront it was a short walk to the CP docks where one could board a CP steamship for the trip to Vancouver Island at Nanaimo or Victoria the provincial capital. At either Vancouver Island port one could connect with the Esquimalt & Nanaimo Railway a wholly owned CP subsidiary that operated trains between Courteney and Victoria. For arriving passengers in Vancouver one could board other CP steam ships for Seattle or Alaska. The Canadian Pacific also provided Trans-Atlantic steamship service via their beautiful trio of postwar EMPRESS liners EMPRESS OF BRITAIN, EMPRESS OF ENGLAND, and EMPRESS OF CANADA from Europe and the British Isles to Montreal in the summer and St. John in the winter. And prior to WW II the Canadian Pacific had provided Trans-Pacific Empress services to Japan, and Hong Kong from Vancouver. After WW II the Canadian Pacific expanded their Airline into a transcontinental Airline and international Airline serving the Orient, Australia, South America and Europe.
In 1936 the Canadian Pacific Railway inaugurated their first streamlined passenger trains the VIGER, WINDSOR, ROYAL YORK and CHINOOK. A streamlined 4-4-4 Jubilee Locomotive with Tender powered each of these four trains. Each consisted of four cars with National Steel Car Company building the Baggage 30’ Railway Post office Car in each train set and Canadian Pacific constructing the Baggage Buffet 28 seat Coach, and two 36 seat Coaches in each consist. The new trains entered service on the same date September 27, 1936 and became an instant success with the traveling public. All trains were soon assigned extra cars to meet the demand of the passengers. The 4-4-4 Jubilee Locomotives were the perfect power for the four car trains and when extra cars were added they could still maintain any of the schedules with up to nine cars. The coaches and Baggage Buffet Coaches had large square windows something that would be found on all CP cars constructed through 1942. The sides were slightly rounded and they were fully streamlined in appearance. The four services the trains were assigned to was the CHINOOK between Calgary and Edmonton, Alberta round trip daily. The WINDSOR round trip daily between Montreal and Quebec City. The VIGER round trip daily between Montreal and Quebec City. The ROYAL YORK round trip daily between Toronto, Ontario and Detroit, Michigan. This latter train the ROYAL YORK was only the second streamlined train to serve Detroit the first being the NYC MERCURY. The Canadian Pacific has credited these four trains with bringing large numbers of passengers back to the rails in post depression Canada.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 28 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH FOUR TABLES Canadian Pacific Shops August – September 1936 (Built for and assigned to CHINOOK, ROYAL YORK, VIGER, and WINDSOR)
3050 – 3053

36 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Canadian Pacific Shops August – September, 1936 (Built for and assigned to CHINOOK, ROYAL YORK, VIGER, and WINDSOR)
2100 – 2107

In 1938 the Canadian Pacific shops constructed an additional 21 lightweight streamlined coaches on frames supplied by National Steel Car the same manufacturer who supplied 1936 cars frames. These coaches were 52 revenue seat cars with an 8 seat Men’s Smoking Lounge next to the Men’s room and a 7 seat Ladies Smoking Lounge next to the Ladies room. These cars like the earlier coaches built by Canadian Pacific featured curved sides, large square windows and double vestibules. These 21 cars were assigned to operate in the previous trains with six assigned to Calgary for use in the CHINOOK although they were available for other Calgary – Edmonton trains as well. The same was true for the six assigned to Toronto for service in the ROYAL YORK they were utilized in other trains from Toronto attracting even more passengers back to the rails. The remaining nine cars were assigned to Montreal and were operated in trains to Quebec City and Ottawa.

52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Canadian Pacific Shops March – May 1938 (Built for and assigned to General Service based in Calgary, Toronto, and Montreal)
2108 – 2128

After seeing the way Canadian National handled their Smoking and Non Smoking seating by having it in separate compartments separated by a partition and door with all seats revenue seats the Canadian Pacific was convinced this was better than there method of separate smoking lounges featuring non revenue seating. The next two lots of streamlined cars for the Canadian Pacific were the wartime cars one being completed in 1941 the other being completed in 1942. Canada being a member of the British Commonwealth had been at war since September 1939 fully two years before the United States would become embroiled in the conflict. The Canadian Pacific was badly in need of additional coaches when the first twenty five of the 72 revenue seat coaches arrived in April 1941 from their own Montreal shops. These new cars featured the same curved windows and large square windows of the earlier lightweight streamlined cars. The new cars only had a single vestibule so were easy to tell from the earlier cars. The cars were divided into a 24 seat smoking compartment and 48 seat non smoking compartment. The new cars were assigned to general service and helped eliminate some of the wartime pressure for space being felt by the CPR. More were needed and the War Ministry permitted the Canadian Pacific to build an additional 25 Coaches for April – May, 1942 delivery. These fifty coaches would be the only passenger carrying cars received by the CPR in WW II, and like most roads the CPR used every car available even those they resurrected from the scrap lines to carry them through this their greatest time of need.

72 REVENUE SEAT COACHES (48 SEAT NON SMOKING 24 SEAT SMOKING) Canadian Pacific Shops April 1941 (Built for and assigned to General Service)
2129 – 2153

72 REVENUE SEAT COACHES (48 SEAT NON SMOKING 24 SEAT SMOKING) Canadian Pacific Shops April – May 1942 (Built for and assigned to General Service)
2154 – 2178

The Canadian Pacific began ordering trucks, air conditioning, bathroom fixtures and air brake parts as early as December 1944 enough for 35 Coaches. The parts would not begin arriving until late 1947 due to wartime shortages of certain materials. Before the first accessories arrived the CP ordered enough for an additional 64 Coaches. The first of the new postwar 68 revenue seat coaches began arriving from CP shops in January 1948 with the final delivery completed in May 1949. These were the first Canadian Pacific cars to feature the elongated windows more generally associated with lightweight streamlined cars. These cars featured 44 seats in the non-smoking compartment and 24 seats in smoking. The Canadian Pacific would standardize on the 24 seat smoking compartment. These cars also featured 4 wheel trucks, a single vestibule and the curved sides that became a trademark of Canadian Pacific built cars.

68 REVENUE SEAT COACHES (44 SEAT NON SMOKING COMPARTMENT 24 SEAT SMOKING COMPARTMENT) Canadian Pacific Shops January, 1948 – May 1949 (Built for and assigned to General Service on long distance trains)
2200 – 2298

Canadian Pacific would place one final order for lightweight streamlined passenger cars this time the cars would come from U.S. manufacturer Budd with Canadian Car & Foundry doing some of the final interior work and Dofasco a Canadian Company building the trucks and shipping them to Budd for installation.
Canadian manufacturers supplied all the seat materials, mattresses, and carpeting. The 172 cars ordered from Budd consisted of 18 Baggage Crew Dormitory Cars, 30 Deluxe 60 revenue seat Leg rest Coaches, 18 Skyline Domes (Revenue Coach seating for 26, Coffee shop seating 26, 24 seat Dome). Their were 18 48 seat Dining Cars, 28 CHATEAU series sleeping cars, 41 MANOR sleeping cars, and 18 PARK series Dome Sleeper Lounge Observations. Besides these cars the Canadian Pacific rebuilt 26 heavyweight 14 Section Tourist Sleeping cars installing corrugated stainless steel panels over the old cars sides to match the new Budd built cars. These cars retained their clerestory roofs, double vestibules and 6 wheel trucks. The cars were painted to match the Budd built cars. These 14 section tourist sleepers were built for operation in the CANADIAN directly behind the Baggage Crew Dormitory car ahead of the 60 seat Deluxe Coach. The new cars were built to equip the new CANADIAN the transcontinental train between Montreal – Toronto and Vancouver. The two sections of the CANADIAN from Montreal and Toronto came together at Sudbury westbound and split at that point eastbound for Montreal and Toronto. The Coach section of the CANADIAN initially departed Montreal with a Baggage Crew Dormitory car, one or two “U” series 14 section Tourist Sleeping cars and the Coach seating was confined to the 26 seats in the Skyline Dome. The Toronto coach section of the CANADIAN consisted of one Baggage Crew Dormitory cars, one or two “U” series 14 section Tourist Sleeping cars, one deluxe 60 seat Coach and Skyline Dome Car. The Baggage Crew Dormitory, Skyline Dome, Dining Car and PARK dome sleeper Observation from Toronto only operated as far as Sudbury where they turned and returned to Toronto on the next eastbound CANADIAN. The Coach section west of Sudbury was made up of the Baggage Crew Dormitory car that originated in Montreal. One or two “U” series 14 section Tourist Sleeping cars that originated in Montreal, the one or two “U” series 14 section Tourist Sleeping cars from Toronto, the 60 revenue seat Deluxe Leg Rest Coach from Toronto, and the Skyline Dome car from Montreal.
The Canadian Pacific operated the ATLANTIC LIMITED with a Baggage Crew Dormitory Car, a 60 revenue seat deluxe leg rest coach, trailed by a Skyline Dome, and one or two Sleeping cars generally a MANOR series and CHATEAU series. The secondary transcontinental train across Canada operated by the Canadian Pacific was the DOMINION. This train operated with a mixture of the newer Budd cars and older cars; in fact several cars in the DOMINION were heavyweights. Eventually the CPR repainted most older cars in Silver with the Maroon letter board above the windows to more closely match the Budd built cars.
The CANADIAN earned the reputation of one of the world’s truly great trains and was definitely Canada’s finest. The Canadian Pacific would purchase Budd RDC’s for all other runs in Canada with only the CANADIAN and ATLANTIC LIMITED operating with streamlined lightweight Budd cars.

14 SECTION TOURIST SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard 1936 Rebuilt and stainless steel added by Canadian Pacific Shops 1954 (Formerly “P” series sleepers rebuilt and assigned to the CANADIAN)
UDALL

UGANDA

ULLSWATER

ULSTER

ULYSSES

UMBER

UNDERWOOD

UNICORN

UNITY

UNIVERSE

UNWIN

UPLANDS

UPSALA

UPTON

URANUS

URBAN

UREN

URQUHART

USHER

UTICA

UTOPIA

UXBRIDGE

60 REVENUE SEAT DELUXE LEG REST COACHES (36 SEAT NON SMOKING COMPARTMENT 24 SEAT SMOKING COMPARTMENT) Budd Company 1954 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – ATLANTIC LIMITED – DOMINION)

100 – 129

SKYLINE 24 SEAT DOME CONDUCTORS SEAT 26 REVENUE SEAT LEG REST COACH KITCHEN 23 SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company 1954 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – ATLANTIC LIMITED – DOMINION)

500 – 517

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #56

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1965 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


We’ll give your holiday a foreign flavor
. . . . . (just north of the border!) . . . . .


Rail away with us through the Canadian Rockies aboard “The Canadian.”

You’ll enjoy spectacular scenery, continental service in the comfort of a Scenic Dome streamliner as you travel the Banff-Lake Louise route between Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver.

It’s a holiday all the way – gourmet dining, tasty budget meals, snacks, all accommodations reserved.


. . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . .


. . . . . Trains/Trucks/Ships/Planes/Hotels/Telecommunications . . . . .
. . . . . WORLD’S MOST COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

The final Pix on the former Wabash obs dome we've been viewing . . .

Amtrak #9310 (former Wabash #1601)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

And another on the former Wabash obs dome:

Amtrak #9310 (former Wabash #1601)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Continuing on with the former Wabash obs dome . . .

Amtrak #9310 (former Wabash #1601)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Here's an Amtrak Pix of the former Wabash obs dome:

Amtrak #9310 (former Wabash #1601) (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Nice work, Al as usual![tup] Timing is everything in Posting and hand grenades - kind of wakes ya up, eh[?][swg]

artpeterson 2nd visit, and perhaps some more coming down the pike, we hope![tup] Over at the bar there's a guy from Chicagoland who perahps you should "meet" - you are more than welcome to stop by. It is an adult cyber bar 'n grill where the discussion most times focuses on Classic Trains with a bit of nonsense thrown in!

Al Had no idea that three different car manufacturers provided those streamlined parlor cars for the Blue Bird Pays to read what's Posted, eh[?] Never know what one will learn .....

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Goodafternoon Tom, Lars and artperson. Just a little follow up to the picture and Wabash information.

WABASH Streamlined Parlor Cars
By Al

The Wabash owned three lightweight streamlined Parlor cars two of these were dome cars. A different passenger car manufacturer constructed each of the three Wabash lightweight streamlined Parlor cars. Pullman Company car attendants operated all three Wabash lightweight streamlined Parlor Cars.
The first of the three delivered to the Wabash was the last car in a new seven car streamliner named the CITY OF KANSAS CITY operating a daily round trip between St. Louis and Kansas City inaugurated November 26, 1947. The last car in the CITY OF KANSAS CITY was a Parlor Lounge Observation numbered 1600. American Car & Foundry built the Blue and White streamliner.

5 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 23 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION American Car & Foundry October 1947 Plan: 9001 Lot: 2769 (Built for and assigned to CITY OF KANSAS CITY)

1600

The next Waba***rain to receive streamlined equipment was the St. Louis - Chicago BLUE BIRD inaugurated February 26, 1950 on a daily round trip schedule. The BLUE BIRD was powered by a new EMD E8A and the trailing consist was six Budd Company built streamlined cars. There were three Dome coaches in the consist and the last car was a Dome Parlor Observation. The BLUE BIRD was the only train to operate between Chicago and St. Louis with Dome cars.

24 SEAT DOME 5 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 23 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company January 1950 Plan: 9525 Lot: 9652-037 (Built for and assigned to BLUE BIRD)

1601

The Wabash soon discovered the BLUE BIRD Parlor space was always sold out and with the need for additional parlor space ordered a new Dome Parlor car for service. Unfortunately the new car was built by Pullman Standard and was a smooth sided car so did not match the other six Budd built stainless steel cars of the BLUE BIRD.
Pullman Standard delivered the new car 1602 in July 1952 and it was trainlined ahead of the Budd built Dome Parlor Observation and behind the dining car.
One feature of the new car was its BLUE BIRD lounge that seated up to eleven in privacy beneath the dome and being close to the diner meals were often served their.

16 SEAT DOME 21 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 11 SEAT PARLOR LOUNGE (BLUE BIRD ROOM) CAR Pullman Standard July 1952 Plan: 7551B Lot: 6904 (Built for and assigned to BLUE BIRD)

1602

In later years the three parlor cars could be found operating in trains other than those they were built for such as the BANNER BLUE between St. Louis and Chicago.


TTFN AL

[artpeterson]

Hi Tom, et.al. -

Thanks for the warm reception. Nice Wabash shots, again thanks for posting them! Yes, have lived in Chicago most all my life. Work downtown, commuting by CTA every day (its more entertaining than Metra, to me at least). I'm sure part of the loyalty stems from having worked for CTA about 30 years ago, just after getting out of high school and while going to college. Have a great weekend, one and all!

[LoveDomes]

Hey Tom!

Man! Some outstanding pix of those Wabash domes![tup] Really, really makes me want to climb aboard and move out for a long, long rail voyage.[yeah]

I saw these photos on trainweb.org (or .com) and thought they were really something else. Glad you were able to provide them for whoever is looking in!

Catch ya at the bar - I'm heading over right now for Pizza & beer nite!

Until the next time!

Lars