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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:38 PM
G'day!

Four Posts from Al - nicely done having those broken down rather than all in one loooooooooong submssion![tup]

Hey Al you're AWOL over at the bar! You've had a "request" pending since around NOON today! Gotta remember where you "live!"[swg]

Later!

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 5:00 PM
CHICAGO
&
EASTERN
ILLINOIS Streamlined Observations
by Al

In 1937 two American Car & Foundry railcars were purchased by the C&EI that can be described as single car trains complete with streamlined Observation like end. These two cars featured a control cab engine room 15' Railway Post office compartment and 61 seat Coach compartment. The two cars were assigned to service between Chicago and Southern Illinois. Both cars 245 SALEM and 342 MT. VERNON were retired by the C&EI in 1943 and sold to other roads. The 245 SALEM was sold to the KCM&O and 342 MT. VERNON was sold to the Louisiana Northwestern.

CAB 15' RAILWAY POST OFFICE 61 SEAT MOTORCAR (Blunt) American Car & Foundry 1937 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGO - Southern Illinois service)

245 SALEM

342 MT. VERNON

In October 1946 Pullman Standard delivered a seven car coach streamliner to the C&EI to be named the WHIPPOORWILL for operation between Evansville and Chicago round trip daily. The Swallow-tailed Observation for this train 702 CHICAGOLAND featured a 4-seat Parlor Drawing Room 28 seat Parlor Buffet 8 seat Lounge Observation.
In 1956 this car was rebuilt to a straight 64-seat coach by Pullman Calumet.

4 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 28 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard October 1946 Plan: 7491 Lot: 6743 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

702 CHICAGOLAND

In 1950 the C&EI purchased four 56 seat Coach Observations with 10 seat smoking lounges in the Observation ends used from the C&O. These four Observations were built by Pullman Standard in July 1946 for PERE MARQUETTE service in Michigan and were blunt ended cars with diaphragms installed on the Observation end. The C&O operated two per consist and they were numbered 20-23 in C&O service. The C&EI renumbered the cars 471 - 474 respectively. All four were retired in 1969 with 472 and 473 being sold to the PC for further service and 471, and 474 scrapped.

56 REVENUE SEAT COACH 10 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Pullman Standard July 1946 (Purchased used for General service)

471 originally C&O 20

472 originally C&O 21

473 originally C&O 22

474 originally C&O 23

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 4:55 PM
CHICAGO
&
EASTERN
ILLINOIS Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al
The C&EI owned a total of six lightweight streamlined sleeping cars all purchased for use in other roads trains that operated part of their routes over the C&EI namely between Evansville, Indiana and Chicago. The C&EI was the Chicago connection for the Louisville and Nashville who operated two trains with sleeping cars over the C&EI between Evansville and Chicago the GEORGIAN to and from Atlanta that connected with another section in Evansville to and from St. Louis. The other L&N train that operated between Evansville and St. Louis was the HUMMING BIRD between Chicago - St. Louis and New Orleans. The C&EI purchased four sleeping cars with 6 Sections 6 Roomettes and 4 Double Bedrooms assigned 900 series numbers with PINE series names. The four cars came from Pullman Standard between March - May 1953.

6 SECTION 6 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March - May 1953 Plan: 4183 Lot: 6909 (Built for and assigned to GEORGIAN and HUMMING BIRD)

900 SLASH PINE

901 PITCH PINE

902 LOBLOLLY PINE

903 POND PINE

Two additional Sleeping cars were delivered to the C&EI in December 1954 with 4 Sections 4 Roomettes 1 Compartment and 5 double Bedrooms. These cars were for the DIXIELAND the new name assigned to the former DIXIE FLAGLER the month the new sleeping cars were delivered. This train was actually a FEC owned train that operated over several roads on its every third day schedule between Chicago and Miami. The portion of the DIXIELANDS trip between Chicago and EVANSVILLE was via the C&EI. The two C&EI owned Sleeping cars for the DIXIELAND were assigned 900 series numbers and carried FLORIDA prefix names.

4 SECTIONS 4 ROOMETTES 1 COMPARTMENT 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1954 Plan: 4196 Lot: 6949 (Built for and assigned to DIXIELAND)

904 FLORIDA FLOWERS

905 FLORIDA LAKES

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 2:46 PM
CHICAGO
&
EASTERN
ILLINOIS Streamlined Coaches
by Al

The Chicago & Eastern Illinois operated one main line between Chicago and Evansville, Indiana that served as a bridge line for other roads from the south the NC&STL and L&N principally. Their other mainline served southern Illinois to Cypress from Chicago with a line operating to St. Louis from this line located close to the eastern border of Illinois. The C&EI operated passenger trains between Chicago and St. Louis until the late 1940’s when they relinquished passenger service to St. Louis to the three competitors with the shorter routes (GM&O, IC, and Wabash). The C&EI would operate as a bridge route for two of the Louisville & Nashville Railways two postwar streamliners the HUMMINGBIRD and GEORGIAN. Originally the HUMMINGBIRD was a Cincinnati – New Orleans train and the GEORGIAN was a St. Louis – Atlanta train. Neither of these coach streamliners became successful until they added sleeping cars and added Chicago as a second destination. The C&EI served as the gateway to Chicago for both of these streamlined trains through Evansville. Both of these trains operated over the C&EI from 1951 until 1968 when they were finally discontinued. Another train from the south that operated over C&EI rails from Evansville to Chicago was the FEC owned DIXIE FLAGLER originally a seven car Coach streamlined between Miami and Chicago every third day inaugurated December 17, 1940. The DIXIE FLAGLER besides using C&EI rails between Chicago and Evansville traversed the L&N between Evansville and Nashville, the NC&StL between Nashville and Atlanta, the AB&C an ACL subsidiary between Atlanta and Waycross, ACL between Waycross and Jacksonville, and the FEC between Jacksonville and Miami. The DIXIE FLAGLER was renamed DIXIELAND in December 1954 and was discontinued in 1958. It is interesting to note that all three of the previously mentioned trains began as coach streamliners and all three would have sleeping cars added.
The C&EI received two postwar streamliners for service over their own lines the first named the MEADOWLARK, operated between Cypress and Chicago round trip daily. A new EMD E7A powered the four car train, all were painted in a striking Orange and blue paint scheme. The new MEADOWLARK began service October 6, 1946.

MEADOWLARK
1100 EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

602 SPARHAWK INN 15’ Railway Post Office Baggage 4 seat Lunch Counter 16 seat Dinette Lounge Car

464 HUBBARD TRAIL 60 revenue seat Coach

465 EGYPTIAN TRAIL 60 Revenue seat Coach

466 HORSESHOE TRAIL 60 Revenue seat Coach

15’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE 4 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 16 SEAT DINETTE LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard September 1946 (Built for and assigned to MEADOWLARK)

602 SPARHAWK INN

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard September 1946 (Built for and assigned to MEADOWLARK)

464 HUBBARD TRAIL

465 EGYPTIAN TRAIL

466 HORSESHOE TRAIL

The second C&EI streamliner of 1946 was named the WHIPPOORWILL and operated a daily round trip between Evansville and Chicago. This seven-car streamliner was assigned another EMD E7A for power, the train being delivered in October 1946 with entry into service inaugurated November 10, 1946.

WHIPPOORWILL

1002 EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

304 TURKEY RUN 15’ Railway Post Office Baggage Bar 10 seat Tavern 38 Revenue seat Coach Combination

460 VIGO TRAIL 60 Revenue seat Coach

461 VINCENNES TRAIL 60 Revenue seat Coach

462 VANDERBURGH TRAIL 60 Revenue seat Coach

463 VERMILLION TRAIL 60 Revenue seat Coach

505 SHAKAMAK INN 36 seat Dining Car

702 CHICAGOLAND 16 seat Parlor Buffet 16 seat Lounge Observation

15’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE BAR 10 SEAT TAVERN 38 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

304 TURKEY RUN

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

460 VIGO TRAIL

461 VINCENNES TRAIL

462 VANDERBURGH TRAIL

463 VERMILLION TRAIL

36 SEAT DINING CAR Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

505 SHAKAMAK INN

16 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Tapered) Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

702 CHICAGOLAND

The C&EI purchased eight used lightweight streamlined cars from the C&O in 1950 all originally operated in the PERE MARQUETTES. The eight cars were the four former PERE MARQUETTE 54 revenue seat Coaches with 8 seat Lounges C&O numbers 30 – 33 and the four 56 revenue seat coach observations with 10 seat Lounges C&O 20 – 23. The C&O sold these cars as they had a surplus of newer cars to fulfill the requirements of the PERE MARQUETTES. The C&EI assigned new numbers to the cars and assigned them initially to general service but they were most often assigned to the HUMMINGBIRD and GEORGIAN pool of cars operated by the L&N.

50 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 8 SEAT LOUNGE Pullman Standard August 1946 (Ex C&O sold to C&EI 1950 for the HUMMINGBIRD – GEORGIAN POOL)

467 originally C&O 30

468 originally C&O 31

469 originally C&O 32

470 originally C&O 33

56 REVENUE SEAT COACH 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard August, 1946 (Purchased from C&O 1950 assigned to HUMMINGBIRD – GEORGIAN POOL)

471 originally C&O 20

472 originally C&O 21

473 originally C&O 22

474 originally C&O 23

In 1951 the C&EI purchased three additional ex C&O cars, these three were the former Budd built Family Coaches built for the stillborn CHESSIE in August, 1948. The C&EI reconfigured the interiors of all three of these Family Coaches before they entered service. The former 1700 and 1701 were remodeled to Tavern Lounge Cars with Bar and lounge seating for 44. Both cars were renumbered and named after rebuilding by the C&EI. The third former Family Coach lost its Children’s Playroom, Theater, and Diaper Changing Room with coach seating increased to 41from the original 36. This car after rebuilding was renumbered by the C&EI. All three cars were assigned to General service after remodeling but were most often assigned to the GEORGIAN – HUMMINGBIRD.

BAR 44 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE CARS Budd Company August, 1948 (Originally C&O Family Coaches purchased by C&EI rebuilt before entering C&EI service)
605 MAGNOLIA BLOSSOM originally C&O 1700

606 MAGNOLIA GARDENS originally C&O 1701

41 REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company August, 1948 (Originally C&O Family Coach purchased by C&EI rebuilt before entering C&EI service)

475 originally C&O 1702

The above car 475 was rebuilt in March 1952 to a 16 seat Parlor Buffet 16 seat Lounge Car and renumbered and named 703 WOODLAND. Not satisfied with this arrangement as the Parlor car business dwindled the C&EI once again remodeled the car into a Tavern Lounge Car by removing the 16 Parlor seats replacing them with 20 Lounge seats. The car was then renumbered 34 in November 1967 when the conversion work was completed.
The WHIPPOORWILL was discontinued in 1951 and the cars were assigned to General service but most often operated in the GEORGIAN and HUMMINGBIRD. The MEADOWLARK was reduced to an RDC run in 1956 and when traffic warranted they assigned one of their lightweight coaches as a trailer behind the RDC. The cars built for the MEADOWLARK in 1946 were then assigned to the HUMMINGBIRD and GEORGIAN. C&EI Parlor Observation 702 CHICAGOLAND suffered the fate of so many other streamlined Observations being rebuilt to a straight coach. In the case of the former 702 CHICAGOLAND it was rebuilt to a 64 revenue seat Coach in 1964 and was renumbered 459 at that time. The 459 was assigned to general service.

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 2:31 PM
CHICAGO
&
EASTERN
ILLINOIS Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The only two lightweight streamlined head end cars ever owned by the C&EI were delivered for service by Pullman Standard in October 1946. Both cars were part of an order for eleven cars total; enough to equip two streamlined trains each powered by a single EMD E7A unit. The first of the new trains to enter service was the MEADOWLARK between Cypress and Chicago round trip daily. This was a four-car train consisting of the 602 SPARHAWK INN and three 60-revenue seat Coaches 464 HUBBARD TRAIL, 465 EGYPTIAN TRAIL, and 466 HORSESHOE TRAIL. The 602 SPARHAWK INN was delivered with a 35’ Baggage Compartment followed by a small Buffet 8 seat Lunch Counter and 12 seat Lounge. The car lasted until 1952 when it was wrecked and rebuilt into a 48 seat Dining car and assigned to Florida trains.
The second car we are concerned with here was part of a seven-car streamliner named the WHIPPOORWILL inaugurated November 10, 1946 between Evansville and Chicago round trip daily. This car was the 304 TURKEY RUN with 15’ Baggage Compartment Bar 12-seat Tavern Lounge and 38-revenue seat Coach section. The actual interior of the Railway Post Office compartment was never installed so the area was used as additional Baggage space. In 1948 the Baggage Compartment of this car was shortened and part of the space was converted to 3 seat Lunch Counter and 14 seat Lounge. The car was renumbered 602 and the name-dropped in December 1952.

35’ BAGGAGE 8 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 12 SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to MEADOWLARK)

602 SPARHAWK INN

15’ BAGGAGE BAR 12-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE 38-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

304 TURKEY RUN

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:11 PM
G'day!

Amazing what one can find when on the web - here's something else on the C&EI to enjoy!

Chicago & Eastern Illinois (C&EI)


C&EI after absorption by Missouri Pacific (MP)


More later!

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:29 AM
Good Morning!

Here's a little something I found while browsing - and didn't see any prohibitions about further use:

QUOTE: A Brief History of the Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad

The C&EI’s Chicago to Evansville line was created from the consolidation of three railroads, the earliest of these roads dating to January 2, 1849, when the Evansville and Illinois Railroad was chartered to operate between Evansville and Vincennes, IN. The three roads were:

Chicago, Danville & Vincennes (Chicago- Danville, November 1871)
Evansville, Terre Haute & Chicago (Danville-Terre Haute, October 1871)
Evansville & Terre Haute (Terre Haute- Evansville, November 1854).

Although through passenger service was provided over the three roads between Chicago and Evansville almost immediately, the process of consolidating the operations of the three roads was slow. The C&EI name dates to March 8, 1881, and from this point in time, the C&EI exercised some financial control over the Chicago-Evansville line. But, complete consolidation of the properties was not accomplished until July 20, 1911. Also, in the 1890s, the Chicago and Indiana Coal Railroad entered the C&EI fold, giving the C&EI a secondary mainline between LaCrosse, Indiana and Evansville. (A connection was made at Momence between the two mainlines.)

The basis for C&EI growth was coal. Coal was moved from mines in central Illinois and central western Indiana to Chicago. The C&EI’s growth was closely associated with the growth of Chicago. At the same time, the C&EI was developing itself as a bridge-route between the southern states and Chicago. In the longer run, as the demand for coal dwindled, bridge traffic would prove more economically important to the road.

In the early 1890s, the road began building south into southern Illinois. By 1900, the C&EI extended to Thebes, Illinois on the Mississippi River where a ferry connection with the Cotton Belt was begun. In 1904, the C&EI began operating Chicago-Saint Louis passenger service through trackage rights over the CCC&StL (NYC) from Findlay Jct., Illinois to Saint Louis.

Then, the C&EI and Cotton Belt spearheaded the construction of the Thebes Bridge. For the C&EI, the strategic fallout of this action was tremendous. The Frisco, threatened by the alliance of the C&EI and Cotton Belt, proceeded to take over the C&EI on October 1, 1902. This ended the expansion of the C&EI. The bridge itself was completed on April 1, 1905.

For the next eight years, the Frisco exploited the C&EI through exorbitant dividend demands, and the rental of C&EI equipment at below-market rates. When the Frisco entered bankruptcy in 1913, so did the C&EI. The C&EI physical plant was in poor condition following the Frisco. Frisco control also had another effect on the C&EI: it gave the C&EI steam power its handsome Frisco-like appearance.

During World War I, C&EI traffic boomed, but the C&EI remained in receivership until January 1, 1922. When, at last, the C&EI was returned to private hands, the secondary Indiana line was spun off as the Chicago, Attica & Southern. The ill-fated CA&S was entirely abandoned by 1946.

During the 1930s, the Chesapeake & Ohio began to buy up C&EI stock, never exercising any significant control over the road it seems. In any case, because of the depression, the C&EI again entered receivership in 1933, but was back in private hands again at the end of 1940. World War II brought prosperity to the property, and in the immediate war years the C&EI modernized rapidly. For example, the road was entirely dieselized in May 1950, making it the first dieselized road with more than 1000 miles of track. But, modernization was not enough to assure survival; with mergers taking place all around it, the C&EI found its traffic drying up. The C&EI needed to merge too.

Various merger offers were explored, and again, it was a southwest road that found itself threatened by these overtures. In 1961 the Missouri Pacific began secretly (and illegally) buying C&EI stock. When the Missouri Pacific requested ICC permission to takeover the C&EI, the federal agency turned a blind eye to the illegalities; approved the takeover of the C&EI with the stipulation that the Evansville line be sold to the L&N; and effectively deprived C&EI’s other stockholders of stock profits. In short, the Missouri Pacific got the C&EI for cheap.

On May 12, 1967, the Missouri Pacific assumed control of the C&EI. And, on June 6, 1969, the Louisville & Nashville purchased the 206-mile Woodland Junction- Evansville leg along with trackage rights from Woodland to Chicago. Then on October 15, 1976, what remained of the C&EI was merged into the Missouri Pacific.

Today, only a very small portion of the C&EI has been abandoned, that being primarily in Southern Illinois and Indiana. At the beginning of the 21st century the ex-C&EI trackage continues to be used by the Union Pacific (ex-Missouri Pacific) and CSX Transportation(ex-L&N). CP Rail also has trackage rights on the line with their acquisition of the Soo Line (former Milwaukee rights). Their Chicago to Louisville trains operate daily on the old C&EI line. The heavily used line from Chicago to Woodland Junction, nearly 50 trains per day travel on double track mainline, is well worth a visit by any railfan.

THE C&EI IN THE 1945-1955 ERA

PHYSICAL PLANT: Most rail was 115 lb. Secondary main lines were generally of 90 lb. weight. South of Salem, Illinois rail was 90 lb. Ballast was slag, crushed stone, or gravel for the 800 miles of mainline; cinders for the sidings and yards. Track was in top shape everywhere.

MAJOR YARDS: Yard Center (two humps), Dolton, IL; Brewer Yard, Danville, IL; Wansford Yard (new in 1950), Evansville, IN; Baker Yard, Terre Haute, IN; Alice Yard, Vincennes, IN; Villa Grove Yard, Villa Grove, IL; Mitchell Yard, East Saint Louis, IL; Salem Yard, Salem, IL.

SIGNALLING: Until 1952, all C&EI trains on the Chicago-Danville line were controlled by Miller Train Control. In fact, the C&EI pioneered this train control system. In 1947 CTC (centralized traffic control) was in operation between Clinton and Evansville, Indiana. The dispatcher’s office was in Danville. Improved manual block was in operation between Findlay Junction and Pana, Illinois with all turnouts interlocked and controlled from Findlay Junction.

MAIN SHOPS: The C&EI main shops were located in the eastern part of Danville, Illinois. They were medium sized but well-maintained and modern employing over 1200 workers from the Danville area. Most structures dated from the early 1900s, except the paint shop. Facilities were accessed via a transfer table. The C&EI built many of its own boxcars, hoppers and cabooses here. The diesel shop was one of the best in the country. Today the facility still serves railroad industry as a freight car building for Johnstown America.

ROUNDHOUSES: Small roundhouses were maintained at: Yard Center (Dolton, IL); Chicago Heights (CHTT); Villa Grove, IL; Salem, IL; Terre Haute, IN; and Evansville, IN. These roundhouses were used to make running repairs on switch engines, also for the inspection of road units.

TRAFFIC COAL: Bituminous coal was the largest volume item for the C&EI constituting about one-third of all traffic. Coal was the primary traffic in the Westville, Salem and Mt. Vernon, Illinois and the Clinton and Terre Haute, Indiana areas. A major portion of the coal generated by mines on the C&EI was destined for Chicago or the barge loading facility at Joppa, Illinois. At one time even the Elgin Joliet and Eastern had rights on the C&EI from Sidell and Westville to Chicago for hauling coal to the steel mills in the Chicago area.

INTERCHANGE: Because of the C&EI’s numerous connections, bridge traffic was a major source of revenue. More than half of all freight was for interchange, primarily the Louisville and Nashville in Evansville, the Missouri Pacific and western carriers in St. Louis, the Wabash in Danville and numerous carriers in the Chicago area through the Belt Yard and other connections. The IC, NYC, NKP, and PRR were major connections away from the larger cities.

from: http://www.ceihs.org/historians_main_1.html

Enjoy![tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:57 AM
Good Morning Tom and Lars and any others who happen by.

CHICAGO
&
EASTERN
ILLINOIS Streamlined Dining and Lounge Cars
(C&EI)
By Al

The C&EI as the name implies served eastern Illinois from Chicago. The one mainline ran down the eastern state line crossing into Indiana some twenty miles before Evansville. The other mainline left the Chicago – Evansville mainline at Dansville and proceeded west to Villa Grove before turning south to southern Illinois.
On October 6, 1946 the C&EI inaugurated a new four-car streamliner named the MEADOWLARK between Cypress and Chicago round trip daily. The MEADOWLARK consist follows.

27 EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

602 SPARHAWK INN Baggage 8-Seat Lunch Counter 12-Seat Lounge Car

464 HUBBARD TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

465 EGYPTIAN TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

466 HORSESHOE TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

The C&EI felt that the 602 SPARHAWK INN was capable of looking after the passenger food and beverage needs on the route of the MEADOWLARK. It was an interesting car as built with a15’ Railway Post Office compartment small baggage compartment 8-seat Lunch Counter 12-seat lounge area.

15’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE 8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 12-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard August 1946 (Built for and assigned to MEADOWLARK)

602 SPARHAWK INN

Just over a month later the C&EI inaugurated a seven-car streamliner between Chicago and Evansville round trip daily on November 10, 1946 named the WHIPPOORWILL. This train like the MEADOWLARK would be less than successful.

28 EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

394 TURKEY RUN Baggage 38-Seat Coach

460 VIGO TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

461 VINCENNES TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

462 VANDERBURGH TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

463 VERMILLION TRAIL 60-Seat Coach

505 SHAKAMAK INN 36-Seat Dining Car

702 CHICAGOLAND 4-Seat Parlor Drawing Room 28-Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

The 505 SHAKAMAK INN is the car we are concerned with in this book.
The 505 SHAKAMAK INN was a standard 36-seat dining car except the tables were triangular from Pullman Standard during that period. The car featured six tables for four on one side of the car and six tables for two on the other side.

36-SEAT DINING CAR Pullman Standard October 1946 (Built for and assigned to WHIPPOORWILL)

505 SHAKAMAK INN

In October 1951 the C&EI purchased the Budd built family coaches from C&O numbers 1700 – 1702, these were originally built for the stillborn CHESSIE and had operated in the PERE MARQUETTE trains until purchased by the C&EI. Before entering C&EI 1700 and 1701 were rebuilt to Buffet 38-seat Tavern Lounge Cars and received the numbers and names 605 MAGNOLIA BLOSSOM and 606 MAGNOLIA GARDENS. These two cars provided Lounge service between Evansville and Chicago in the Chicago sections of the HUMMING BIRD and GEORGIAN. The 1702 was rebuilt to a 41 seat Coach at the same time and numbered C&EI 475.
In November 1951 the two former Maine Central 24-seat Restaurant 18-seat Lounge cars 15 and 16 arrived on C&EI property and before entering service for their new owner the Lounge seating was replaced by 20 Parlor seats and the cars became 24-seat dining 20 seat parlor cars and were numbered and named 603 MERRY YOUNG and 604 MERRY MEETING. These cars were assigned to the Chicago – Evansville sections of the HUMMING BIRD and GEORGIAN at that time.
In March 1952 the 475 a 41-seat Coach was remodeled to a Buffet 24-seat Dining 20-seat Parlor Car and was renumbered and named 703 WOODLAND at that time.
In June 1952 602 SPARHAWK INN was heavily damaged in a wreck and was rebuilt to a 48-seat Dining Car with the new name and number 506 POTAWATOMI INN.
In December 1962 the 304 TURKEY RUN was rebuilt to a 12-seat Lunch Counter Bar 20-seat Lounge Car and assigned the number 602 losing its name at that time.
In August 1965 606 MAGNOLIA GARDENS was remodeled to a 6-seat Lunch Counter 38-seat Tavern Lounge Car and renamed 606 HARVEST INN.


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:09 PM
G'day!

My final installments of Santa Fe Pix for the day . . .

ATSF F7A #300C (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


ATSF F7B (public domain)


ATSF Chief Drumhead Logo (public domain)


Enjoy![tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:24 PM
Atchison
Topeka
&
Santa Fe Streamlined Dome Cars
(AT&SF)
by Al

The Santa Fe owned a total of 20-dome cars, 6-short domes from Pullman Standard and 14-big domes from the Budd Company.
The Santa Fe went daily with the SUPER CHIEF in February 1948 with new sleeping cars and new sleeper Observations for four of the five consists.
At the end of 1950 the Santa Fe once again added new cars to the SUPER CHIEF receiving 7-new 36 seat dining cars 600-606 in November-December 1950. In December the Santa Fe received 6-Pleasure Domes with the famous Turquoise dining room numbers 500 - 505. These cars were coupled directly behind the new diners and the Turquoise room located in the forward part of the Pleasure domes was served from the dining car. During peak travel periods it served as extra dining space for twelve. At other times the Turquoise room was available for private luncheon or dinner parties. Many an evening the Turquoise rooms served as private cocktail lounges for Hollywood stars and their guests or captains of fortune 500 companies. This Turquoise room was located in the short end on the main floor and this was always the front of the car coupled to the dining car ahead. Beneath the dome of these cars was a lounge seating ten with bar. In the larger room at the rear of the car on the main level was a lounge with seating for 18. A desk and chair was tucked behind the stairway leading to the dome level.
The dome seating was unique to these dome cars, on each side in the center of the dome was four swiveling parlor seats revolving a full 360 degrees. At the front of the dome and the rear of the dome on each side of the aisle was a pair of seats. The two pair of seats at the rear of the dome faced rearward an unusual arrangement not found on any other short domes, except for those seats in the UP Dome Dining cars where half of the eighteen seats faced rearward at the tables. This gave the Santa Fe pleasure domes a seating capacity of 16. No other short domes built for any railroad seated this few, not even the UP Dome diners who seated 18 at tables in the domes.
These six cars were operated only in the SUPER CHIEFS and never ventured to any other Santa Fe train, although it is believed they operated on occasional business train specials on rare occasions as there was a spare if the SUPER CHIEFS operated on time.
When ordered from Pullman Standard the cars were to have PLAZA series names but were delivered with numbers only 500-505.
The intended names of these cars were as follows.

500 – PLAZA ACOMA

501 – PLAZA LAGUNA

502 – PLAZA LAMY

503 – PLAZA SANTA FE

504 – PLAZA TAOS

505 – PLAZA ZUNI

All six of the pleasure domes were sold to Amtrak in 1971 and were renumbered 9350 – 9355.
In 1954 the Santa Fe received 14 Big Domes from Budd between January and May 1954. The first eight delivered 506-513 featured 57 coach seats and an 18 seat lounge on the upper glassed in level and beneath the dome in the center of the cars lower level was a Buffet and lounge seating 28 with a double bedroom serving as quarters for the Courier Nurse.
The Santa Fe assigned one each to the Chicago – Oklahoma City CHICAGOAN - KANSAS CITYAN.
The other six of these Big domes were assigned to the EL CAPITAN train sets one per consist operating between Chicago and Los Angeles daily in each direction. These domes would be transferred to the CHIEF beginning in July 1956 when the EL CAPITAN became America’s first Hi-Level trains. These cars remained in the CHIEF until that train was discontinued in 1968. At that time three were transferred to the TEXAS CHIEF and operated between Chicago and Houston replacing that trains lounge cars.
The other six-Big domes delivered in 1954 were for a new train the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF between Chicago and San Francisco. This train inaugurated in May 1954 operated by the southern mainline the only CHIEF train operating on this line. The Big domes built for the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF were identical to those built for the EL CAPITAN, CHICAGOAN - KANSAS CITYAN on the upper or dome level 57 coach type seats and 18 seats arranged in a lounge. The lower level of these cars featured a Buffet and lounge with only ten seats. A twelve-crew dormitory occupied the remainder of the lower level between the cars six-wheel trucks. These cars remained in SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF service until Amtrak discontinued the train.
Big dome cars 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, and 555 were sold to Auto-Train becoming their 540, 520, 521, 522, 523, 541, 524, 512, 513, 514, 515, 510, and 511 respectively. They wore the Red – White – Purple from 1972 until sold at bankruptcy auction in December 1981.
The Santa Fe retained 506 for its business fleet, being renumbered AT&SF 60 in 974. After the merger into the BN #60 was renumbered BNSF 31 in 1999 and the name BAY VIEW was applied to the sides of the car at that time.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:52 PM
Hello Tom

Great Santa Fe pix .. love 'em, love 'em![tup][tup]

Been awhile since I contributed ... so here's three for your enjoyment (you too, 20 Fingers Al):

ATSF #501 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Santa Fe #503 Plaza (from: www.trainweb.org)


Santa Fe #501 Super Chief (from: www.trainweb.org)


Until the next time!

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:35 AM
Hello Captain Tom and whoever else is around!

Nicely done pix of the Santa Fe - always enjoyed the color scheme, even as a "non rail fan." Skimmed through the last 5 pages and looks as if not much has changed insofar as participation is concerned. Still you, Al and Lars. Some rather interesting postings though and one cannot beat the price!

I will see you over at the bar.

BK in beautiful Alberta high country!
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:36 AM
Good Morning Santa fe seems like a good theme to me.

ATCHISON
TOPEKA
&
SANTA FE Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The first lightweight streamlined headend cars purchased by the Santa Fe were a pair from the Budd Company as part of the first SUPER CHIEF order. These two cars one a full Baggage 3430 the other a Baggage 30’Railway Post Office car 3400. These two stainless steel cars were delivered to the Santa Fe as part of a nine-car order for the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF in April 1937. Only one of the two head end cars the Baggage Car 3430 would operate in the SUPER CHIEF when it entered service beginning May 18, 1937. As the Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car was not assigned to the SUPER CHIEF it was operated in numerous other heavyweight trains until March 15, 1938 when it found permanent assignment to the first SAN DIEGAN consist for operation between Los Angeles and San Diego.

BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company April 1937 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF)

3430

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR Budd Company April 1937 (Built for SUPER CHIEF assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

3400

Santa Fe next placed large orders with both Pullman Standard and Budd for lightweight streamlined cars. There were enough new cars ordered to equip six CHIEF consists, two EL CAPITAN consists, two consists to equip the CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN two GOLDEN GATE consists and additional cars for the first SAN DIEGAN consist as well as a second SUPER CHIEF consist.
The head end cars that were purchased for the CHIEF were from Budd as were all the head end cars for these trains and were delivered in early November 1937 for the January 21, 1938 debut of the streamlined CHIEFS.
Each consist of the CHIEF was assigned one of six Baggage – Barber Shop – Buffet 30seat lounge cars all numbered and named with SAN prefix names.

BAGGAGE – BARBER SHOP – VALET – BUFFET 30-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company November 1937 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF)

1380 SAN MIGUEL

1381 SAN MARCIAL

1382 SAN FERNANDO

1383 SAN SIMON

1384 SAN IGNACIO

1385 SAN PASCAL

The Budd Company delivered two Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory Bar 30 seat Lounge Cars in January 1938 for assignment to both the first and second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consists. At that time the Santa Fe withdrew Baggage Car 3430 from the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist and replaced it with one of the new cars from Budd 1386-SAN CLEMENTE in February 1938. The second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist was assigned 1387-SAN ACACIA.

BAGGAGE 7-CREW DORMITORY BAR 30-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEFS)

1386 SAN CLEMENTE

1387 SAN ACACIA

On the same date February 22, 1938 that the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist entered service the Santa Fe inaugurated the all Coach streamlined EL CAPITAN between Chicago and Los Angeles with two consists operating on the same days at the SUPER CHIEF. These five car trains had a single combination head end car assigned to each train set. These cars were Baggage 13 Crew Dormitory Newsstand 32 revenue seat Coach combinations 3480 and 3481.

BAGGAGE 13 CREW DORMITORY NEWSSTAND 32-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd Company January 1938 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN)

3480, 3481

The previously mentioned 3400 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office car was the next head end car to enter service at the head of the new SAN DIEGAN consist beginning March 27, 1938. The SAN DIEGAN made two round trips daily from Los Angeles to San Diego.
Santa Fe inaugurated two seven-car streamliners between Chicago and Wichita, Kansas daily in each direction beginning April 17, 1938. The first car in each streamlined consist of the CHICAGOAN-KANSAS CITYAN was a new Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car numbers 3401 and 3402.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company March 1938 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

3401, 3402

The final new trains of the Santa Fe inaugurated in 1938 were the two consists of the GOLDEN GATES seven-car streamliners between Oakland and Bakersfield with Bus connections at terminals to and from Los Angeles from Bakersfield or to or from San Francisco from Oakland.
The head end cars built for these trains were Baggage 36-revenue seat Coach combinations 3490 and 3491.

BAGGAGE 36-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd Company April 1938 (Built for and assigned to GOLDEN GATES)

3490, 3491

Santa Fe received two 60’ Railway Post Office cars from Budd in January 1940 80 and 81. These cars were assigned to the CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN replacing the earlier Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars that had been operated in these trains since inaugurated. By this time the CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN route had been expanded westward from Wichita to Oklahoma City. It is believed the two Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3401 and 3402 continued to operate in the consists using their Baggage space only until March 1940 when they were at last replaced by Baggage 38-revenue seat Coach Combinations 3492 and 3493 newly delivered by Pullman Standard. The two older Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3401 and 3402 were then assigned to the CHIEF pool of cars that was now operating with Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars in their consists. These were mostly heavyweights in fact 3401 and 3402 were the first two lightweight streamlined cars assigned to the CHIEF pool.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company January 1940 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

80, 81

BAGGAGE 38-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Pullman Standard March 1940 (Built for and assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN)

3492, 3493

One other Baggage Crew Dormitory Coach Combination was delivered to the Santa Fe in March 1940 this was a Baggage 13 Crew 32-revenue seat Coach combination from Budd number 3482. This car was assigned to a third EL CAPITAN consist that was then entering service.

BAGGAGE 13-CREW DORMITORY 32-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Budd Company March 1940 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITAN)

3482

Baggage Car 3430 originally built for the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist was next assigned to the first SAN DIEGAN consist. This was done as a means to carry baggage on the one round trip daily by the SAN DIEGAN when the Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office car 3400 was not in the consist.
When a second SAN DIEGAN consist entered service on a twice-daily basis round trip two head end cars were built for assignment to that train set. First there was another Baggage 30' Railway Post Office car 3403 delivered to the Santa Fe by Budd in May 1941. Full Baggage car number 3431 delivered in June 1941 was the other car assigned to the second SAN DIEGAN. Only rarely did the occasion arise when both head end cars were in the consists at the same time.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR Budd Company May 1941 (Built for and assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

3403

BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company June 1941 (Built for and assigned to SAN DIEGAN)

3431

The Santa Fe operating two sets of EL CAPITAN train sets by 1941 was faced with lengthier trains and additional space for the crew became necessary as that also increased. The Santa Fe rebuilt two of the three Baggage Crew Dormitory Coaches 3480-3481 to Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars during February – March 1941 in Topeka shops with no changes of numbers.
The Santa Fe received an order from Budd between January and May 1942 for a group of 21-Baggage cars numbered 3432 – 3452. These cars were built for general service but each consist of the CHIEF was assigned one car from this pool. In photos of the period they are also shown operating in the otherwise all heavyweight RANGER the Santa Fe train between Chicago and the Galveston. They turned up in the SCOUT and GRAND CANYON trains as well. Assigned as they were to general service they could turn up in almost any Santa Fe train.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company January – May 1942 (Built for and assigned to the CHIEF and General Service)

3432 – 3452

The Santa Fe received five Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars 3404 – 3408 from Budd in October 1945 for assignment to the CHIEF. As five cars were not enough to equip the six sets of CHIEF equipment one set was assigned a heavyweight RPO. These cars only operated in the CHIEF until April 1947 when they were temporarily replaced by 60’ Railway Post Office Cars 82-88 intended for the SUPER CHIEF. After the CHIEF lost its RPO the 3404 – 3408 series cars were assigned to General Service in 1947 with 3406 finding permanent assignment in the EL PASOAN train set beginning in May 1953. The EL PASOAN was the daily round trip service offered by the Santa Fe between Albuquerque, New Mexico and El Paso, Texas.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company October 1945 (Built for and assigned to CHIEF initially)

3404 – 3408

In December 1945 the Santa Fe Topeka Shops rebuilt the two Baggage 38-revenue seat Coach Combinations 3492 and 3493 into Baggage 12-Crew Dormitory 28 revenue seat Coaches for continued service in the CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN. The majority of the space needed for the crew dormitory came from the baggage area. The two cars were assigned to CHICAGOAN – KANSAS CITYAN for the dining car and lounge crew.
Prewar CHIEF Baggage – Crew Dormitory – Buffet Lounge Car 1384 SAN IGNACIO was rebuilt in Topeka shops in March to a straight Baggage 22 crew Dormitory car and was then assigned to one of the SUPER CHIEF consists at that time.
In anticipation of the SUPER CHIEF going daily the Santa Fe ordered seven 60’ Railway Post Office Cars 82 – 88 delivered by American Car & Foundry in April 1947. Until 1948 when the SUPER CHIEF became daily the cars were assigned to the CHIEF. Once enough new equipment was delivered for daily operation of the SUPER CHIEFS the cars were transferred to that train. The CHIEF then lost its RPO and thereafter carried only storage mail and baggage with some REA express shipments.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry April – May, 1947 (Built for and assigned to the SUPER CHIEF)

82 – 88

Also delivered by American Car & Foundry at the same time in April – May 1947 were eighteen Baggage Cars 3409 – 3426. These cars were assigned to General Service but at least one of these cars operated in every CHIEF train set. When the TEXAS CHIEF was inaugurated the cars were also assigned to service in the three train sets for that train.

BAGGAGE CARS American Car & Foundry April – May 1947 (Built for and assigned to General Service besides CHIEF and TEXAS CHIEF)

3409 – 3426

In July – August 1947 the Santa Fe received three 60’ Railway Post Office cars numbers 50 – 52 for assignment to the TEXAS CHIEF between Chicago and Galveston. Actually these cars were pooled with the seven received earlier that year for the SUPER CHIEF 82-88. Between the 50-52 series and 82-88 series the Santa Fe had ten of these cars with six assigned to the SUPER CHIEF consists and four available for operation in the TEXAS CHIEF. These cars could be found operating in either train as they were exchanged frequently in Chicago.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry July – August 1947 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS CHIEF)

50 – 52

The last three head end cars received by the Santa Fe in 1947 were three Baggage 22- Crew Dormitory Cars 3477 - 3479 from Pullman Standard delivered in August – September 1947. These three Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars were for assignment to the daily EL CAPITAN train sets. Along with the three prewar cars 3480 - 3482 that had already been converted from Baggage Crew Dormitory Coach Combinations to Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory cars in 1941. This gave the EL CAPITAN the six cars of this type necessary for daily operation.

BAGGAGE 22-CREW DORMITORY CARS Pullman Standard August – September 1947 (Built for and assigned to EL CAPITANS)

3477 – 3479

In February, 1948 the Santa Fe shops in Topeka modernized six-heavyweight Baggage Buffet 30 seat Lounge Cars and repainted them Silver with shadow line striping to mimic the fluted stainless steel panels found on the streamlined cars these cars were numbered 1300 - 1305. These cars were then assigned to the CHIEF and the streamlined cars of this type formerly assigned to the CHIEF were assigned to the daily SUPER CHIEFS until replaced by new cars in October – November 1950. At that time the old modernized heavyweights 1300 - 1305 were retired from the CHIEF replaced by the original streamlined cars from 1938.
Another of the Santa Fe Baggage Dormitory Lounge cars 1387 SAN ACACIA originally built for the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF consist was rebuilt to a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory car in June 1948by Topeka shops. It was then assigned to the EL CAPITAN trains as a spare.
Santa Fe received four Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Cars numbered 3600 - 3603 from American Car & Foundry in June 1951. These cars were assigned to General Service and were not assigned to any specific trains but instead assigned to the pool of these cars that included 3404 – 3408.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry June 1951 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

3600 – 3603

Santa Fe rebuilt the Baggage –Dormitory- Coach 3482 into a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory car in August, 1952 for assignment to the EL CAPITAN. This car was built for the third EL CAPITAN train set and was not converted at the same time as the other two in 1941. When the war ended the Santa Fe assigned 1384 SAN IGNACIO after it had been rebuilt to a Baggage 22 Crew Dormitory car in March 1946. The 3482 had then been assigned to General Service at that time although it was still found operating in the EL CAPITAN quite often.
The next group of head end cars to arrive on the Santa Fe were forty straight baggage cars from Budd numbered 3500 – 3539 delivered between June and November, 1953. These cars were assigned to premium service trains such as the SUPER CHIEFS and EL CAPITANS both needing six for a total of twelve. In addition the CHIEF received six and the TEXAS CHIEFS received a total of eight as they operated with two sometimes more in each train set. Actually they operated in a pool that was based out of Chicago for service any of these trains as necessary. Other baggage cars of this series were assigned to the new SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF when that train was inaugurated in 1954. The Santa Fe made it a practice to assign the very latest cars to the premium service trains such as the SUPER CHIEF, CHIEF, EL CAPITAN, TEXAS CHIEF, and SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF with all cars being stainless steel fluted sidecars in these trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company June – November 1953 (Built for and assigned to premium service trains)

3500 – 3539

Budd delivered ten similar cars in outside appearance to the forty baggage cars numbered 3500 – 3539. These cars were actually Storage Mail cars and were assigned numbers 3650 – 3659 and traveled locked between destinations unlike the Baggage cars that were manned. In trains that carried Railway Post Office cars they were generally trainlined either ahead of or just behind these cars but ahead of the trains working baggage car. In other cases the cars were assigned to the mail and express trains that carried a single rider coach across the state of Kansas for any passengers that wished to ride these trains that generally stopped at nearly every station. These cars being nearly identical to the Baggage cars were often substituted when one of the Baggage cars was not available for any reason.

STORAGE MAIL CARS Budd Company November – December 1953 (Built for and assigned to General service)

3650 – 3659

In January – February 1954 the Santa Fe received ten 60’ Railway post office cars from Budd numbered 89 – 98. These ten cars were assigned to the SUPER CHIEF and TEXAS CHIEF replacing older streamlined cars of the same type in these trains.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company January – February 1954 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF – TEXAS CHIEF)

89 – 98

American Car & Foundry delivered 25 Storage Mail cars 3660 – 3684 between January – April 1955. These 25 cars were assigned to General Service but were often found operating in the daily FAST MAIL trains consists.

STORAGE MAIL CARS American Car & Foundry January – April 1955 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

3660 – 3684

In 1956 the EL CAPITAN Baggage Dormitory cars were fitted with an Airfoil at the aft end of these cars to carry the wind flowing across the top of the cars from standard car height to the height of the trailing Hi-Level EL CAPITAN consists. At the same time this airfoil was installed the Crew Dormitory space was increased to 27 from the previous 22. This also made it necessary for a full baggage car to be carried in each EL CAPITAN consist ahead of the Baggage Crew Dormitory Car in each train set. The cars with the added airfoil were 3477 – 3482 all of them original equipment for the EL CAPITAN consists.
Still in need of additional Baggage cars for service in the express and mail trains that did not require the expense of stainless steel equipment the Santa Fe constructed fifty Baggage cars in the Topeka shops 3700 – 3749. These cars were delivered painted silver and were assigned to mail and express trains as well as secondary passenger trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops April – November 1956 (Built for and assigned to mail and express trains)

3700 – 3749

A trio of Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars 3604 – 3606 arrived from American Car & Foundry in July 1957. They were assigned to the TEXAS CHIEF replacing the earlier 60” Railway Post Office cars in those consists.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS American Car & Foundry July 1957 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS CHIEFS)

3604 – 3606

That same year Budd delivered fifteen Baggage Cars 3540 - 3554 in September – October to the Santa Fe. These cars were assigned to the SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN, CHIEF, SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF, and TEXAS CHIEF pool. This group of Baggage cars was the last stainless steel cars of this type purchased by the Santa Fe.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company September – October 1957 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN, CHIEF, SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF, and TEXAS CHIEF pool)

3540 – 3554

Santa Fe still in need of Baggage cars to replace older heavyweight cars in express and mail train service ordered another fifty Baggage cars to be built in the roads Topeka shops. These fifty cars were delivered between February and September 1958 numbered 3750 – 3799.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops February – September 1958 (Built for and assigned to mail and express trains)

3750 – 3799

In August – September 1960 the Santa Fe received ten Baggage cars from Topeka shops fitted with end doors and numbered 3990 – 3999. These cars were for the transportation of antique cars and old carriages to California by collectors of the vintage vehicles. The Santa Fe operated them most often as regular Baggage Cars, when not in special assignment transporting antique cars.

BAGGAGE CARS WITH FULL WIDTH END DOORS Santa Fe Shops August – September 1960 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3990 – 3999

Another order for forty of these home built Baggage cars were delivered by Santa Fe Topeka Shops between August – December 1960 numbered 3800 – 3839.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops August – December 1960 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3800 – 3839

The Santa Fe ordered 25 additional Baggage Cars to be built by their own Topeka shops with delivery taking place October – November 1961. This group of Baggage Cars continued the numbering sequence of these cars 3840 – 3864. As with the previous cars of this type they were painted silver and assigned mainly to Mail and Express trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops October – November 1961 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3840 – 3864

Between September and December 1962 another 25 of the Topeka built Baggage cars arrived on line numbered 3865 – 3889.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops September – December 1962 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3865 – 3889

Still purchasing these Topeka built Baggage cars in lots of 25 numbers 3890 – 3914 arrived between September – November 1963. As with all previous cars of this type they were assigned to Mail and Express trains.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops September – November 1963 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3890 – 3914

Santa Fe needing additional Crew Dormitory cars rebuilt the Pullman Sleeping car FORWARD dating back to November 1936 built originally with 8-Sections 2-Compartments 2 Double Bedrooms. This car as rebuilt retained the 8-Sections and one Bedroom for the Crew Space and the rest of this car was rebuilt to a Baggage Compartment. The work was completed in October 1963 and the car was numbered 3473.
An additional Sleeping car ORAIBI was rebuilt in December 1963 and numbered 3472. This car originally one of the first streamlined SUPER CHIEF cars delivered in April 1937 was originally 6 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment 2 Drawing Rooms. The interior of this car was gutted and Crew Dormitory space for 26 was installed with one bedroom retained for the Dining Car Steward. The remainder of the car interior was converted to a Baggage Compartment. The car was assigned number 3472 when the conversion was completed in December 1963.
In May and June 1964 the Santa Fe received their last stainless steel head end cars from Budd twelve 60’ Railway Post Office Cars numbered 99 – 110. These were the last 60’ Railway Post Office Cars built for service in the United States. Unfortunately the mail contracts were canceled shortly after their delivery so they saw very little service on the Santa Fe. In fact these cars after being stored for some time were sold to Mexico where the practically new trucks were removed for use on other cars and the bodies were scrapped.

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Budd Company May – June 1964 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CHIEF and TEXAS CHIEF)

99 – 110

A final order for twenty-five Baggage cars 3915 - 3939 was received from Topeka Shops in December 1965. Identical to the earlier cars this final group was indistinguishable from all of the earlier Topeka built cars.

BAGGAGE CARS Santa Fe Shops December 1965 (Built for and assigned to Mail and Express trains)

3915 – 3939

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:11 AM
Good Morning!

Those Santa Fe loco's looked so good, perhaps a couple more are in order!

ATSF #2505 CF-7 (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


ATSF #2098 RS-2 (public domain)


Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:27 PM
G'day!

A change of pace . . . some Pix to enjoy . . .


ATSF #9536 Kodachrome (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


ATSF #943 Dash 8 (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


ATSF #358 GEU28CG (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:28 PM
Hello Al 'n Lars

Here's a URL for the SP&S

http://www.sps700.org/spshist.html

Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:21 PM
Just to keep the SP&S alive a bit longer have included the following.

Spokane
Portland
&
Seattle Streamlined Dome Cars
(SP&S)
By Al

The SP&S was the fully owned subsidiary of the Great Northern and Northern Pacific Railways. It was built solely to give the two Northern transcontinental roads direct access to Portland from the east. The road acquired other railroads to expand its operation south to Bend, Oregon from its mainline on the north bank of the Columbia River at Wishram, Washington. Another Branch operated from Portland along the south bank of the Columbia River to its mouth at Astoria. Another artery of the railroad proceeded down the Willamette Valley to Eugene.
The Railroad provided passenger services along all of these routes during the heavyweight era. By the time streamlined equipment was introduced in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s the SP&S was only operating trains along the north bank route between Portland and Spokane.
Initially streamlined equipment was operated in train’s #1-2 connecting with the Great Northern EMPIRE BUILDER in Spokane. The SP&S cars operated in this train between Portland and Spokane were painted GN colors the same as the through cars to and from Chicago and Portland. Later the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED through cars to and from Chicago to and from Portland were switched in and out of SP&S trains 1-2 at Pasco where both the NP and SP&S crossed the Columbia River.
In 1954 when the Northern Pacific began operation of the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED with a new paint scheme and new domes the SP&S became the owner of two of the new NP domes. In August the SP&S received a new Vista-Dome 46-seat Leg-Rest Coach one of ten owned by the NP, CB&Q and SP&S. The SP&S owned car was numbered 559. For further details on car 559 see the BN and NP chapters of this book.
In November 1954 the SP&S received one of the ten Vista-Dome Sleeping cars built for the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED. The SP&S Vista-Dome 4 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom 4 Duplex Single Room was numbered 306. See the NP and BN chapters for further details of this car.
In May 1955 the Great Northern added Great Dome 46-seat Leg-Rest Coaches to the EMPIRE BUILDER between Chicago and Seattle-Portland. One of each daily GREAT DOME EMPIRE BUILDERS gave up a dome in Spokane for the SP&S to forward to and from Portland. The SP&S owned GREAT DOME EMPIRE BUILDER dome coach was numbered 1332. It was the only four digits numbered passenger car owned by the SP&S. For further details on SP&S 1332 see the GN and BN chapters of the book. Between Pasco and Portland SP&S trains 1-2 operated two dome coaches and one dome sleeping car giving that train more dome seating than rival UP and their CITY OF PORTLAND provided along the south bank of the Columbia River enroute to and from Portland.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 2:02 PM
Hey Tom and Al

On the way over to the bar, but thought I'd pop in. Haven't got a thing for the SP&S - not a bunch of stuff out there. Nice pix, though! I tried to find some that aren't copyrighted to death .... couldn't.

Good "stuff" from Al too .......[tup]

Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:29 PM
Hey Al

Check this out to follow along with our "Theme" . . .

Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S) Railway at Snoqualmie, Washington (GNU Free Documentation)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:00 AM
Good Morning!

Nice choice, Al [tup] Don't know how much info we'll dig up on the SP&S to make it a full-fledged "Theme," but here's a start . . . . previously Posted on this Thread . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S)

Headquarters: Portland, OR

Mileage in 1950: 968

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 3,547
Passenger cars: 48

Principal routes in 1950:

Portland-Spokane, WA
Portland-Seaside, WA
Portland-Eugene, OR (subsidiary Oregon Electric Railway)
Wishram, WA-Bend, OR subsidiary Oregon Trunk Railway)

Passenger trains of note:

Columbia River Express [Portland-Spokane)
Empire Builder (Portland-Chicago)
Oriental Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Western Star (Portland-Chicago)
North Coast Limited (Portland-Chicago)
Mainstreeter (Portland-Chicago)

Of note: SP&S handled GN’s Empire Builder, Oriental Limited and Western Star between Portland and Spokane; SP&S handled NP’s North Coast Limited and Mainstreeter between Portland and Pasco, WA


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:19 AM
How about this for a theme road for the day.

SPOKANE
PORTLAND
&
SEATTLE Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
(SP&S)
By Al

The SP&S operated connecting trains between Portland and Pasco for parent Northern Pacific and between Portland and Spokane for parent Great Northern.
Initially the SP&S operated the train they simply called the streamliner as a connection to the Great Northern EMPIRE BUILDER both to and from Spokane. There were three -streamlined feature cars built during 1950 for this train and painted in the EMPIRE BUILDER colors but carried the name SPOKANE PORTLAND & SEATTLE centered in the letter boards.
The first of these cars to arrive was 600 MOUNT HOOD and 601 MOUNT ST. HELENS. These cars were 6-roomette 3-double bedroom Buffet 25-seat lounge cars. Both cars built by Pullman Standard arrived on the property in February 1950 and were immediately assigned to the STREAMLINER. Eastbound the cars served more in their capacity as buffet – lounge cars as the run was daylight in nature. Westbound the run was nocturnal with an early morning arrival in Portland. These cars were operated on the rear of the STREAMLINER throughout their careers. After the NORTH COAST LIMITED schedule was revised and speeded up the STREAMLINER operated through cars from both the GN EMPIRE BUILDER and NP NORTH COAST LIMITED. The NP cars were transferred at Pasco and the GN cars were transferred at Spokane as before. At that time the two sleeper buffet lounge cars were given two tail signs one either side of the diaphragm proclaiming the NORTH COAST LIMITED on one the EMPIRE BUILDER the other. After 1953 the eastbound run sold the roomette space as parlor seating and westbound the space was sold as sleeping car space. The cars traveled on alternate days allowing more time for servicing in Spokane where one laid over each night for the next westbound departure from Spokane.

6-ROOMETTE 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard February 1950 Plan: 4163 Lot: 6829 (Built for and assigned to STREAMLINER)

600 MOUNT HOOD

601 MOUNT ST. HELENS

The third feature car arrived in June 1950 again from Pullman Standard. This car numbered 405 was a 32-seat dining 10-seat parlor car as delivered. Delivered in EMPIRE BUILDER colors for service in the STREAMLINER between Portland and Spokane connecting with the EMPIRE BUILDER both eastbound and westbound. Eastbound the car served as a dining –parlor car, westbound returning to Portland the car operated overnight and served breakfast before arrival in Portland the parlor space left empty.
In July 1953 the SP&S rebuilt 405 into a straight 48-seat dining car and retained its original number. In December 1965 405 received the name COLUMBIA to go with its number.

32-SEAT DINING 10-SEAT PARLOR CAR Pullman Standard June 1950 (Built for and assigned to STREAMLINER)

405 (COLUMBIA)

In March 1966 the SP&S purchased a used 46-seat dining car from the Missouri – Kansas – Texas their 1100 SAM HOUSTON built originally for the TEXAS SPECIAL in 1948. The SP&S numbered the car 406 and operated it as a spare for the 405 COLUMBIA. In June 1966 the 46-seat dining car 406 was assigned the name WILLAMETTE. During the peak travel periods both cars were assigned to the STREAMLINER operating from Spokane every other night. This gave more time for servicing.

TTFN Al
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:46 PM
G'day Gents!

Just a word of Thanx to Al for the Posts![tup][tup] and to Lars for stopping by.[tup] Sure looks like we're a "club unto ourselves" 'round here, eh[?][swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:41 PM
Keeping to todays C&O theme.

CHESAPEAKE
&
OHIO
PERE
MARQUETTE Streamlined Head End Cars
By Al

The C&O and its subsidiary the Pere Marquette owned a total of eight lightweight streamlined head end cars with the Pere Marquette owning four parent C&O owning four but only two of the latter remained on the C&O for any length of time.
The Pere Marquette received all four of their lightweight streamlined head end cars from Pullman Standard in July 1946. There were two Baggage 30’ Railway Post office cars numbered 50 and 51 and two straight baggage cars numbered 60 and 61. These cars were part of two seven-car streamlines named the PERE MARQUETTES built for three times daily service between Detroit and Grand Rapids, Michigan. The five passenger carrying cars in each consist were not turned at terminals but instead just the seating in the two caches and two Coach Observations seating was turned instead. The two head end cars and the EMD E7A unit were turned at each terminal before rejoining their trains for the return trip.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Pullman Standard April 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)

50, 51

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard April 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)

60, 61

The C&O purchased three Baggage 28-seat Coach combinations for the stillborn CHESSIE trains. The three Budd built cars were delivered in August 1948 and only one of the three Baggage Coach Combinations entered C&O service. Two of the Baggage Coach Combinations were sold to Argentina while the third 1402 entered C&O service generally assigned to the C&O PERE MARQUETTE between Chicago and Detroit.

BAGGAGE 28-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for but never operated in the CHESSIE)

1400 – 1402

The last lightweight streamlined head end car purchased by the C&O was 1403 a Baggage 32 revenue seat coach combination. The C&O had ordered thirteen cars of this type from Pullman Standard following WW II part of an order for nearly three hundred cars placed by the C&O of which many were canceled and many went directly to other roads. In the case of the Baggage 32 revenue seat Coach Combinations thirteen were ordered but only three were delivered. Two of these were delivered directly to the Rio Grande as there 1230 and 1231 and the 1403 was delivered to the C&O. The 1403 was assigned to the Chicago – Detroit PERE MARQUETTE service.

BAGGAGE 32-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for General Service assigned to PERE MARQUETTE)

1403

Besides the above head end car the C&O originally ordered nine Baggage Cars but only three of these were completed and they were delivered directly to the Rio Grande as there 1210-1212.
Eight 60’ Railway Post Office cars were ordered in the same large car order but none were built.
Thirteen Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars were ordered but only three were actually completed and they went directly to the Rio Grande as there 1200-1202.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:20 PM
Hi Tom

Just passing by on the way to the bar. Chessie (again?) Good name, but haven't we "been there, done that" with this one[?]

Once again, my "list" of name trains isn't at all as detailed as yours - so I'll yield to the Master![swg]

Good stuff from Al, as always![tup]

Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:33 AM
Good Morning!

Something to appreciate . . . .



Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:05 AM
Good Morning!

Chesapeake & Ohio - good selection, Al[tup][tup] . . . Here's something previously Posted on this thread:

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #31

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O)

Headquarters: Richmond, VA

Mileage in 1950:

5,343 (including ferries)

Locomotives in 1963:

Steam: 3 (fireless “cookers”)
Diesel: 1,053

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 92,992
Passenger cars: 324

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Cincinnati, OH-Ashland, KY-Staunton, VA-Newport News, VA
Gordonsville, VA-Washington, DC
Clifton Forge-Richmond VA
Ashland-Louisville, KY
Limeville (Ashland)-Columbus, OH-Toledo, OH
Columbus-Pomeroy, OH
Catlettsburg (Ashland)-Elkhorn City, KY
Ronceverte-Durbin & Bartow, WV
Chicago-Grand Rapids, MI-Detroit, MI-St. Thomas, ON-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY
Grand Rapids-Petoskey & Bay View, MI
Erieau, ON-Ludington, MI
Ludington-Milwaukee & Manitowoc & Kewaunee, WI (ferry routes to each from Ludington)
Toledo-Bay City, MI
Port Huron-Bay City-Elmdale, MI
Holland-Muskegon-Hart, MI

Passenger trains of note:

George Washington (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Louisville)
F.F.V. (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Louisville)
Sportsman (Washington & Newport News-Cincinnati & Detroit)
Pere Marquettes (Detroit-Grand Rapids; Chicago-Grand Rapids & Muskegon; Detroit-Saginaw, MI)
Resort Special (Chicago-Petoskey; later, Washington-White Sulphur Springs, WV)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:46 AM
Good Morning How about the C&O for teme for a day on this forum.

CHESAPEAKE
&
OHIO Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
By Al
(C&O)

The C&O northern lines better known at the time as the Pere Marquette introduced a pair of seven-car coach streamliners August 10, 1946 between Detroit and Grand Rapids, Michigan. The two train sets made three round trips between them. The first two cars following the E7A diesel unit the baggage 30’railway post office car and baggage car were simply moved to the other end of the five cars at terminals only the diesel was turned. The five passenger carrying cars were trainlined in the following manner.

56-seat coach observation blunt end
54-seat coach with smoking lounge
44-seat dining car
54-seat coach with smoking lounge
56-seat coach observation blunt end

The new trains were delivered painted in the University of Michigan colors of Venetian yellow and Enchantment blue. These basic colors would be accepted by C&O as the color for all their streamliners with the yellow becoming a darker shade called Federal yellow on subsequent cars. Only those cars built for the CHESSIE would not receive the new C&O paint scheme.
The new Michigan trains were named the PERE MARQUETTES when they entered service and soon earned a reputation for reliability. The cars we are concerned with in this book are car numbers 10 and 11. These two cars featured a center kitchen with a passageway down one side. The dining areas were on either side of the kitchen pantry area and seated 22 at table seating for two and four. There were three tables for two and four tables for four. The cars served a dual purpose acting as lounge space during non-meal hours. The PERE MARQUETTES were one of the few trains in the U.S. to have waitresses instead of waiters and a no-tipping policy. Number 10 was retired in 1968 and sold privately. Car number 11 was converted in 1959 to a cafeteria car without change of number and retired in 1969. In 1970 the car was sold to a private owner.

44-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard July 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)

10, 11

The next trains to be discussed were the CHESSIES the trains that never were. The C&O received three Budd built consists in August 1948 that would have been among the finest day trains in the land if not the finest. The CHESSIES were built to operate between Washington, D.C. and Cincinnati with a connecting train between Newport News and Charlottesville. The three consists were to be pulled by the largest coal fired turbine locomotives ever built for passenger service. The C&O realized before the train entered service that they would never attract enough ridership to pay their way.
Each CHESSIE consist would have had five feature cars. These cars were 1875 –1877, 1900 –1902, 1920 – 1922, 1940 – 1942 and 1970 – 1972.
We will look at the cars in numerical order this is definitely not the way they would have been trainlined.
The 1875 – 1877 were built to be the last cars in the CHESSIES They featured a 20-seat coach section forward of the dome on the main level The Dome a lower profile dome built for eastern clearances seated the standard 24 found in all Budd short domes. To the rear of the dome in the rounded observation end on the cars main level was a lounge seating 16 with unusual seating arrangement having all facing aft at angles in pairs a single and one group of three. Beneath the dome was a pair of restrooms and a newsstand that would have sold newspapers, cigarettes, candies, magazines and souvenirs. Ahead of the coach seating was a silent screen room that showed headlines for the coach passengers of these cars. These cars would have operated Newport News to Cincinnati. After operating in PERE MARQUETTE service for a short period of time the three cars were sold to the D&RGW September 20, 1949. Before repainting and delivery to their new owner the cars were fitted with an adaptor at their rounded end complete with diaphragm for mid-train operation. See D&RGW for disposition and further history of these cars.

24-SEAT DOME 20-SEAT COACH 16-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS with Newsstand beneath dome Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1875 – 1877

Cars 1900 – 1902 were 6-seat lunch counter 8-seat dinette 25-seat tavern lounge 10-seat lounge cars. Car number 1900 was rebuilt to C&O business car 19 in 1953. One year later in 1954 the car was sold to the NYC as their business car 28. The NYC in turn sold the car privately in 1959 and named ADIOS II. Cars 1901 and 1902 were sold to the General Roca Railway of Argentina in 1951.

6-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 8-SEAT DINETTE 25-SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE 10-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1900 – 1902

Car numbers 1920 – 1922 were 5-seat lunch counter 16-seat dining 18-seat lounge 6-seat lounge observations. These cars were blunt end observations and would have operated between Washington and Cincinnati. All three cars were remodeled in 1952 each differently. Car 1920 after rebuilding featured a 4-seat lunch counter 38-seat dining 6-seat lounge observation. Car 1920 was transferred to Amtrak ownership in 1971. Car 1921 was remodeled to 5-seat lunch counter 36-seat dining and 4-seat lounge observation. Car 1921 was transferred to Amtrak ownership in 1971. Car number 1922 was remodeled to a 5-seat lunch counter 32-seat dining 10-seat lounge observation. In 1971 car 1922 was transferred to Amtrak ownership.

5-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 16-SEAT DINING 18-SEAT LOUNGE 6-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1920 – 1922

Cars 1940 – 1942 were part of two unit-dining sets with each coupled to car numbers 1970 – 1972 respectively. Cars 1940 – 1942 featured a 6-crew dayroom 9-seat dinette 4-seat lunch counter and a large kitchen pantry. Since these cars were built during the Jim Crow era of racial segregation they served black passengers only. The trailing 1970-1972-class dining room – theater cars were for white passengers only. Cars 1970 – 1972 were 52-seat dining room-theater cars. Seating was arranged at tables for two and four and they provided no kitchen facilities of any kind being totally dependant on the kitchens in 1940 – 1942 for food service. All three sets of cars were sold to the ACL in November 1950 for further service see ACL chapter for further history of these cars.

6-CREW LOUNGE 9-SEAT DINETTE 4-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN UNITS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1940 – 1942

52-SEAT DINING – THEATER UNITS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1970 – 1972

In 1950 the C&O received a large number of cars from Pullman Standard that were to say the least state of the art. The cars they received were part of a larger order parts of which were sold to other railroads with delivery straight from Pullman Standard. Still other parts of this huge order were canceled altogether. The C&O realized with their passenger services not all of the cars would be necessary to operate the trains they had.
The C&O purchased eight twin-unit dining car sets that were actually completed and delivered but none ever entered C&O service instead four were sold to the NYC, two were sold to the ACL and the remaining two were sold to the IC. These twin-unit dining sets as built consisted of a 16-crew dormitory – kitchen unit and a 52-seat dining room 12-seat cocktail lounge theater unit.

16-CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CARS – 52-SEAT DINING 12-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE THEATER CARS Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for C&O service but sold to other railroads)

1950 GADSBY’S KITCHEN
1973 GADSBY’S TAVERN
(Sold to Illinois Central November 1950)

1951 RALEIGH KITCHEN
1974 RALEIGH TAVERN
(Sold to Illinois Central November 1950)

1952 MICHIE’S KITCHEN
1975 MICHIE’S TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

1953 HANOVER KITCHEN
1976 HANOVER TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

1954 SWAN KITCHEN
1977 SWAN TAVERN
(Sold to Atlantic Coast Line December 1950)

1955 POSTLETHWAIT’S KITCHEN
1978 POSTLETHWAIT’S TAVERN
(Sold to Atlantic Coast Line December 1950)

1956 CALDWELL’S KITCHEN
1979 CALDWELL’S TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN
1980 BOTSFORD TAVERN
(Sold to New York Central October 1950)

No single unit lightweight streamlined dining cars were delivered for C&O service from this 1950 Pullman Standard order. Two were built but they were sold directly to the D&RGW. See the D&RGW for further details of these cars.
Pullman Standard built four 8-seat lunch counter buffet 38-seat lounge cars as part of the order for C&O but three were delivered directly to the D&RGW, only one was destined for C&O service 1903 CHESSIE CLUB assigned to C&O Northern lines for PERE MARQUETTE service. This car was transferred to Amtrak service in 1971.

8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET 38-SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTE)

1903 CHESSIE CLUB

As part of the Pullman Standard order were eight 5-double bedroom buffet 26-seat lounge observations. Only four would enter C&O service and the other four were sold to the B&O who assigned their four to the AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED. The C&O assigned three of the cars to the GEORGE WASHINGTON and the remaining car 2504 NEW RIVER CLUB was rebuilt to C&O Business car 29. The C&O rebuilt all three remaining cars 2500 BLUE RIDGE CLUB, 2503 TIDEWATER CLUB and 2506 BLUEGRASS CLUB in 1962 to 6-crew dormitory Kitchen-pantry 38-seat dining observations. Three of the bedrooms were designated crew dormitory space and the remaining two along with the buffet were rebuilt to Kitchen pantry and the lounge seating was removed and replaced by seven tables for four. All three were retired and sold to Amtrak in 1971. Business car CHESSIE 29 sold privately in 1971. These cars were renumbered and retained their names as before see below.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 26-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to C&O passenger trains)

2500 BLUE RIDGE CLUB remodeled 1962 to C&O 1923 BLUE RIDGE CLUB

2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB sold to B&O February 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7502 DANA assigned to AMBASSADOR

2502 TIDEWATER CLUB sold to B&O March 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7500 NAPPANEE assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED

2503 ALLEGHENNY CLUB remodeled 1962 to C&O 1925 ALLEGHENNY CLUB

2504 NEW RIVER CLUB rebuilt 1951 to C&O Business car CHESSIE 29

2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB sold to B&O February 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7503 METCALF

2506 BLUE GRASS CLUB remodeled 1962 to C&O 1924 BLUE GRASS CLUB

2507 WOLVERINE CLUB sold to B&O March 1951 renumbered and renamed B&O 7501 WAWASEE assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED

The C&O converted two of their 1950 built coaches 1610 and 1611 to Coach diners in 1956. Where the one large bathroom in these cars was located at the end opposite the boarding vestibule, it was rebuilt to a pair of bathrooms the 26-seat coach seating at this end remained and to the rear of the center offset a 22-seat dining room was installed with 5-tables for 4 and one corner table for 2. Where the large bathroom at the boarding vestibule end was located this was rebuilt to a kitchen. Both 1610 and 1611 were retired in 1971 and sold to Amtrak.

TTFN Al
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, February 27, 2006 3:42 PM
ILLINOIS
CENTRAL Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The first streamlined head end car on the Illinois Central was the second car of the five car articulated train set that comprised the GREEN DIAMOND. The GREEN DIAMOND 5-car articulated train was delivered by Pullman in April 1937 to the Illinois Central painted in a striking two-tone Green paint scheme never repeated by the IC. This second articulated car behind the articulated power unit was numbered 122 it contained a 15’ Railway Post Office compartment and a baggage compartment. In the rear of the Baggage area was the train heat boiler that supplied the steam for the steam-activated air conditioning in the summer and provided the train’s heat in the winter.

ARTICULATED 15’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CAR Pullman April 1936 (Built for and assigned to GREEN DIAMOND)

122

A conventional non-articulated streamlined GREEN DIAMOND replaced the articulated GREEN DIAMOND in 1947. The old articulated train was transferred to Jackson, Mississippi for service as the MISS LOU between Jackson and New Orleans round trip daily. The MISS LOU was discontinued May 1950 and the train set was returned to Chicago where it was scrapped in June 1950.
The last new head end car purchased by the IC was delivered by Pullman Standard in November 1940 as the first car in the seven-car coach streamliner named the CITY OF MIAMI. This car the 1900 BOUGAINVILLEA was a Baggage 13-Crew Dormitory 22 Revenue seat Coach. The new CITY OF MIAMI began service from Chicago and Miami operating over the IC track as far as Birmingham. From that point to Miami the new diesel powered streamliner operated over the CofG, ACL, and FEC. The new CITY OF MIAMI was inaugurated December 18, 1940 as part of a trio of trains operating between Chicago – Miami the other two being the PRR SOUTH WIND, and FEC DIXIE FLAGLER. Between the three trains they provided daily service between end points.

BAGGAGE 13-CREW DORMITORY 22- REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION Pullman Standard November 1940 (Built for and assigned to CITY OF MIAMI)

1900 BOUGAINVILLEA

The next streamliners introduced by the IC were the new pair of PANAMA LIMITED consists inaugurated May 1, 1942 overnight in each direction between Chicago and New Orleans. The two head end cars of these All-Pullman streamliner’s were rebuilt and streamlined from old heavyweight commuter coaches to Baggage 16-Crew Dormitory cars in the IC Burnham shops in Chicago. These shops would rebuild and streamline every head end car in IC service from that point on. The only way to tell these cars were rebuilt from heavyweights and rode on the original six wheel trucks.

BAGGAGE 16-CREW DORMITORY CARS IC Shops April 1942 (Rebuilt and streamlined for PANAMA LIMITED)

1901 LAKE MICHIGAN originally heavyweight 4073

1902 LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN originally heavyweight 4074

Two streamlined Baggage Cars were rebuilt from heavyweights in August 1946 for addition to the PANAMA LIMITED consists. These two cars were numbered 1800 and 1801.

BAGGAGE CARS IC Shops August 1946 (Rebuilt and streamlined for the PANAMA LIMITEDS)

1800 originally heavyweight 2206

1801 originally heavyweight 2181

Following the Second World War the Illinois Central would embark on a program of streamlining several new trains as well as replacing several older trains with new trains using the previous train’s name.
The first new streamlined train on the IC to be streamlined following WW II was the LAND O’ CORN between Waterloo, Iowa and Chicago round trip daily. A prewar two-car motor train without baggage or mail compartments was discontinued after an accident and returned to its manufacturer American Car & Foundry during the war. This train was replaced by a heavyweight steam powered train until the new postwar LAND O’CORN was inaugurated February 12, 1947. Initially this train was a six car train with a single Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car which was not ready for the inaugural. Burnham shops delivered the rebuilt streamlined 402 in August 1948.

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR IC Shops August, 1947 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to the LAND O’CORN)

402 originally heavyweight 2186

The second new IC train to enter service after WW II was the new GREEN DIAMOND inaugurated February 28, 1947. Only one of the two new head end cars was completed in time for the train’s inaugural Baggage Car 1802. A heavyweight 30’ Railway Post Office Express Car painted in the new IC Chocolate, Orange and Yellow paint scheme substituted until the IC Burnham shops delivered the rebuilt streamlined 30’ Railway Post Office Express Car. The streamlined head end cars assigned to the new GREEN DIAMOND was Baggage Car 1802 and 30’ Railway Post Office Express Car 404.

BAGGAGE CAR IC Shops August 1946 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for assignment to the GREEN DIAMOND)

1802 originally heavyweight 3652

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE EXPRESS CAR IC Shops February 1948 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to the GREEN DIAMOND)

404 originally heavyweight 2225

The GREEN DIAMOND was followed by a nearly identical streamlined running mate the DAYLIGHT on March 15, 1947 between Chicago and St. Louis round trip daily. This gave the IC twice-daily round trip service between Chicago and St. Louis. Again only the Baggage Car 1803 was ready for the train’s inaugural and it would be October 1948 before the 30’ Railway Post Office Express car 3654 was ready.

BAGGAGE CAR IC Shops April 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to DAYLIGHT)

1803 originally heavyweight 2177

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE EXPRESS CAR IC Shops October 1948 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to the DAYLIGHT)

405 originally heavyweight 3654



Last of the new trains to enter service following the war was a pair of streamliners named the CITY OF NEW ORLEANS between Chicago and New Orleans on a fast 16 hour daytime schedule. The two trains entered service on April 27, 1947. These two train sets operated with a pair of head end cars in each consist. 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Cars 400 and 401 and Baggage Crew Dayroom Cars 1903 and 1904.

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CARS IC Shops April 1947 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to CITY OF NEW ORLEANS)

400 originally heavyweight 2170

401 originally heavyweight 2183

BAGGAGE CREW DAYROOM CARS IC Shops April 1947 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to CITY OF NEW ORLEANS)

1903 originally heavyweight 2200

1904 originally heavyweight 2177

The IC Shops constructed a single Baggage 18 Crew Dormitory car in August 1948 again using an old heavyweight commuter coach. This car numbered 1905 was assigned to the expanded CITY OF MIAMI that was now carrying sleeping cars forward and the head end car a Baggage Crew Dormitory Coach Combination the 1900 BOUGAINVILLEA was rebuilt to a Baggage 18 Crew Dormitory Car by the IC shops in September 1949. The 1900 minus its name was used as a spare where needed in the CITY OF MIAMI or in the PANAMA LIMITED.

BAGGAGE 18-CREW DORMITORY IC Shops August 1948 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to CITY OF MIAMI)

1905 originally heavyweight 3152

In January 1951 a second Baggage 18 crew Dormitory car 1902 was rebuilt for the CITY OF MIAMI by IC Burnham shops, this car was not a replacement for the previous car but was assigned to a second CITY OF MIAMI consist.

BAGGAGE 18-CREW DORMITORY CAR IC Shops January 1951 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to CITY OF MIAMI)

1902 originally heavyweight 2202

The IC in need of additional baggage cars and Railway Post Office equipped cars and no longer having any suitable heavyweights available for this purpose, turned their attention to the New York Central who had a large number of 22 Roomette Sleeping cars available on the used car market for not much more than scrap prices. The first of these purchased was NYC 10407 LITTLE NECK BAY in February 1961. The IC Burnham shops rebuilt this lightweight car into a Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car numbering it 150. The 150 was assigned to General Service. One additional Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car 152 was rebuilt in September 1953 from ex NYC 22 Roomette sleeping car 10441 GREAT SOUTH BAY again in Burnham shops.
In December 1961 the IC received three NYC 22 Roomette Sleeping cars 10403 TAWAS BAY, 10439 FOWL BAY and 10444 STURGEON BAY, after shopping at IC Burnham they emerged as Baggage – Express cars 1820 – 1822.
In August 1962 the IC Burnham shops rebuilt ex NYC 22 Roomette Sleeping Car 10408 MANHASSET BAY into 30’ Railway Post Office car 151. At the same time the IC rebuilt two of their own prewar lightweight streamlined sleeping cars from the 1942 PANAMA LIMITED 18-Roomette Sleeping cars CITY OF NEW ORLEANS and CITY OF JACKSON into 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Cars 153 and 154 respectively.
A further NYC 22 Roomette Sleeping car 10432 MONTEREY BAY was rebuilt to a 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car in June 1963 and renumbered IC 155.
In October 1963 the IC rebuilt their own 22-Roomette Sleeping Car FULTON the former NYC 10431 MOBILE BAY acquired in January, 1960 into a 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car numbered 156.
In January 1964 the IC Burnham shops rebuilt the IC 22-Roomette Sleeping Car FERNWOOD originally NYC 10415 TURTLE BAY acquired in January 1960 into 30’ Railway Post office Baggage car 157.
Three ex IC 1942 PANAMA LIMITED 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars were rebuilt by IC Burnham shops throughout the remainder of 1964 into 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Cars. First was ex sleeper PELICAN STATE rebuilt to 160 in April 1964. This was followed by sleeper LAND O’STRAWBERRIES in June 1964 rebuilt to 158. Finally in November 1964 sleeper KING COAL was rebuilt to 159.
Many of the 30’ Railway Post Office Cars converted above would last but a short time before the mail contracts were canceled. The cars were than shopped to have the RPO equipment removed and the cars were renumbered to Baggage Cars as follows.
FEBRUARY 1968

1830 ex 150 originally NYC 10407 LITTLE NECK BAY

1831 ex 151 originally NYC 10408 MANHASSET BAY

MARCH 1968

1832 ex 152 originally NYC 10441 GREAT SOUTH BAY

1837 ex 157 ex FERNWOOD originally NYC 10415 TURTLE BAY

APRIL 1968

1835 ex 155 originally NYC 10432 MONTEREY BAY

MAY 1970

1838 ex 153 originally IC CITY OF NEW ORLEANS

1839 ex 154 originally IC CITY OF JACKSON

1840 ex 156 ex FULTON originally NYC 10431 MOBILE BAY

JULY 1970

1841 ex 159 originally IC KING COAL

1842 ex 160 originally IC PELICAN STATE

Sorry Tom and Lars do not have the IC Dome car chapter complete yet it is still a work in progress. Have the information just have to get ot sorted out and find the time to type it up. Have to wait until tax season over.

TTFN Al
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, February 27, 2006 2:58 PM
G'day!

Here's a map of the Illinois Central & Chicago Central put out in 1996 (IC in blue) . . .



Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, February 27, 2006 11:11 AM
Hey Al - recently "did" the IC - but here it is again:

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #41

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Central (IC)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 4,779
1995: 2,732 (including rights)

Locomotives in 1963

Diesels: 629

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 49,226
Passenger cars: 857

Principal routes:

Chicago-New Orleans via Mattoon & Carbondale, IL, & Grenada, MS
Memphis-New Orleans via Vicksburg, MS & Baton Rouge, LA
Memphis-Jackson, MS via Greenwood, MS
Fulton, KY-Birmingham, AL
Freeport-Centralia, IL via Clinton & Vandalia
Chicago-Omaha, NE
Tara (Fort Dodge)-Sioux City, IA
Cherokee, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Manchester-Cedar Rapids, IA
Waterloo, IA-Albert Lea, MN
Centralia, IL-Madison, WI
Gilman, IL-St. Louis
St. Louis-Du Quoin, IL
Edgewood, IL-Fulton, KY
Fulton-Louisville, KY via Paducah
Effingham, IL-Indianapolis, IN
Mattoon-Peoria, IL via Decatur
Jackson-Gulfport, MS
Meridian, MS-Shreveport, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Chickasaw (Memphis-St. Louis & Chicago)
City of Miami (Chicago & St. Louis-Miami & St. Petersburg, FL; joint with CG, ACL and FEC)
City of New Orleans (Chicago & St. Louis & Louisville-New Orleans)
Daylight (Chicago-St. Louis
Delta Express (Memphis-Vicksburg, MS)
Green Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Hawkeye (Chicago-Sioux City
Iowan (Chicago-Sioux City)
Irvin S. Cobb (Louisville-New Orleans)
Kentucky Cardinal (Louisville-Memphis)
Land O’ Corn (Chicago-Waterloo, IA)
Louisiane (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Magnolia Star (Chicago-New Orleans)
Mid-American (Chicago-Memphis)
Night Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Panama Limited (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Planter (Louisville-Memphis)
Seminole (Chicago-Jacksonville, FLA via Birmingham & Columbus, GA)
Southwestern Limited & Northeastern Limited (Meridian-Shreveport)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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