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[siberianmo]

G'day!

Good to see ya back, Al and in fine shape too![tup] You really NEED to figure a way to provide some PIX with those great narratives. Know what they say about a PIX being worth a THOUSAND words![swg]

The well is dry insofar as material for GM&O from my end ... plus I'm going to be tied up over at the bar for the rest of the afternoon with the Birthday Bash! Surely hope YOU show up!!!

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

GULF
MOBILE
&
OHIO

GULF
MOBILE
&
NORTHERN Streamlined sleeping Cars
by Al

The GM&N predecessor to the merged Mobile and Ohio and Gulf Mobile and Northern that became the Gulf Mobile & Ohio became the first railroad in the South to operate lightweight stream-lined trains the famous REBELS.
The three car REBELS designed by Industrial designer Otto Kuhler were constructed by American Car & Foundry and entered service July 29, 1935 between Jackson, Tennessee and New Orleans Louisiana a distance of 488 miles. Some railroad historians describe the REBELS as ZEHYRS minus the Stainless steel and articulation. The results of Otto Kuhler's efforts were truly streamlined trains. For powering the little REBEL trains they turned to Alco who supplied two MacIntosh and Seymour 660 hp diesels for the two train sets. The lead unit in each REBEL contained a shovelnose control cab with engine room containing the 660-hp diesel and main generator, 15' Railway Post Office Compartment and Baggage Room with train heat boiler. The next car in each REBEL consist was a 62 seat divided coach with Buffet. The forward section of the divided car the colored section contained a pair restrooms and coach seating for 24. The car entrance was next separated from the two passenger compartments by doors. To the rear of the car entrance was another pair of restrooms followed by the white seating area with its 38 coach seats with a small buffet at the rear of the car on the right hand side. The last car in each REBEL consist was a sleeper lounge Observation. Each sleeper lounge observation began with a large Women's restroom on the left with a Stateroom directly behind it with its own private bathroom annex. Next there were three sections on either side of a center aisle followed by a large men's restroom, Next was the entrance to the car followed by the Lounge Observation that seated 18. There was an extra 71 revenue seat coach numbered 374 operated in the northbound REBEL each evening between New Orleans and Jackson, Mississippi returning in the southbound REBEL in the morning. The Stateroom in each Observation was larger than a Compartment but smaller in size than a Drawing Room and the space charge was calculated between a Compartment and Drawing Room.
Each of the REBELS was delivered painted in a Red and Silver scheme.

352 Shovelnose 660 hp Diesel Electric Cab Unit with 15' Railway Post Office Compartment Baggage Car

372 62 Revenue Seat Divided Coach Buffet

395 1 Stateroom 6 Section 18 Seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

353 Shovelnose 660 hp Diesel Electric Cab Unit 15' Railway Post Office Compartment Baggage Car

373 62 Revenue Seat Divided Coach

396 1 Stateroom 6 Section 18 Seat Lounge Observation Car

The GM&N began a new expanded REBEL service on January 16, 1938. On that date a new two car REBEL ran north from Mobile, Alabama to Union, Mississippi where it connected with the northbound REBEL to Jackson, Tennessee, The next mornings southbound Rebel would drop a car at Union to be forwarded by the third power unit to Mobile. The new REBEL service consisted of one Shovelnose Cab Power 15' RPO Baggage Unit number 354 identical to the two earlier REBEL power units and two 40 seat Divided Coaches with 6 Sections 380 and 381. Each REBEL was then basically a four-car train between New Orleans and Jackson, Miss. and from Union, Miss. to Jackson Tenn.
On September 13, 1940 the merger of the Gulf Mobile & Northern and Mobile & Ohio Railroads took place creating the Gulf Mobile & Ohio.
The new GM&O introduced the GULF COAST REBEL between East St. Louis and Mobile on October 29, 1940. Each of the new GULF COAST REBELS consisted of a new 2,000 hp Alco DL-109 passenger diesel unit and five streamlined heavy-weight cars. All streamlining on each consists first four cars was accomplished in the roads own Jackson, Tenn. Shops. The two Pullman cars that brought up the markers of each consist were streamlined to match by Pullman's Calumet shops. All cars and the power were painted in the Red and Silver paint scheme. The two Pullman cars were DEEP SOUTH and SHOW ME, interiors of these cars were arranged with 8 Sections 1 Drawing Room and 3 Double Bedrooms. Pullman slightly rounded off one end of these Pullmans to give the trains a finished look.
The three original REBELS were placed in East St. Louis - New Orleans service beginning April 5, 1942. One of the newer cars of 1938 #381 was remodeled to 6 Section 1 Stateroom 17 seat Lounge and served as the third Observation. This cars one end was given a finished appearance similar to the DEEP SOUTH and SHOW ME. All three of the streamlined REBEL sleeper Lounge Observations received names at that time 381 SMOKELESS CITY, 395 OL" 'MAN RIVER, and 396 KING COTTON.
On May 31, 1947 the GM&O merged with the Chicago and Alton better known as just the Alton. The merger brought the beautiful Red and Maroon paint scheme of the Alton to the GM&O who quickly adapted this paint scheme as there own.
In 1950 the GM&O received four streamlined sleeping cars from American Car & Foundry. Two of the new sleeping cars were assigned to Chicago - St. Louis overnight service and two were assigned to the GULF COAST REBEL trains. Originally these cars were to have been named for States served by the railroad but instead were named for persons who played an important role in the growth of the GM&O. These lightweight sleeping cars rode on six wheel trucks.

4 SECTION 8 ROOMETTE 1 COMPARTMENT 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM Sleeping Cars American Car & Foundry July 1950 Plan: 9012 Lot: 3208 (Built for and assigned to GULF COAST REBEL etc.)

CULVER WHITE (ILLINOIS)

JUDGE MILTON BROWN (MISSOURI)

SAMUEL KING TIGRETT (FLORIDA)

TIMOTHY B. BLACKSTONE (LOUISIANA)

These last four cars represent the only new streamlined full size cars ever owned by the GM&O although they were actually ordered by the Alton prior to the merger.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Slim pickin's for the GM&O . . . just a couple of "novelties" . . . .

GM&O wall sign


GM&O mouse pad


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A bit on the "uncanny" side, but Al you selected a RR that I was all set to Post for a Fallen Flag! .....

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #62
Here’s another Fallen Flags from Classic American Railroads:

Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (GM&O)

Headquarters: Mobile, AL

Mileage in 1950: 2,900

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 246

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 13,933
Passenger cars: 135

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Springfield-East St. Louis, IL & St. Louis, MO-Corinth-Meridian, MS-Mobile, AL
Springfield-Kansas City, MO
Bloomington-Murrayville, IL
Dyersburg, TN-Union, MS-Mobile, AL
Meridian-New Orleans
Artesia, MS-Montgomery, AL
Memphis, TN-Birmingham, AL (Southern rights between Memphis-Corinth, MS; and IC rights Corinth-Birmingham)
St. Louis-Mexico, MO (Terminal Railway Assn., rights East St. Louis-St. Louis; CB&Q rights St. Louis-Mexico)
Godfrey-Roadhouse, IL
Springfield-East Peoria, IL
Dwight-Washington & Lacon, IL

Passenger trains of note:

Alton Limited (renamed “The Limited”; Chicago-St. Louis)
Abraham Lincoln (Chicago-St. Louis)
Ann Rutledge (Chicago-St. Louis)
Midnight Special (Chicago-St. Louis)
Prairie State Express (St. Louis-Chicago)
The Mail (Chicago-St. Louis)
Gulf Coast Rebel (St. Louis-Mobile & Montgomery, AL)
The Rebel (St. Louis-New Orleans, LA)
Night Hawk (St. Louis-Kansas City)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Hows this for a theme today.

GULF
MOBILE
&
OHIO
-
GULF
MOBILE
&
NORTHERN Streamlined Observations by Al

The first streamlined Observations in fact the first streamlined train's period to operate in the south were GM&N REBELS. These two train sets were constructed by American Car & Foundry in 1935 for overnight service in each direction between New Orleans and Jackson, Tennessee. The two REBELS were inaugurated on July 29, 1935. These three car trains were not articulated but resembled the early ZEPHYRS minus the fluted stainless steel. The REBELS were painted Silver with a Red window band. The first units 352 and 353 in each train was a shovelnose with control stand, engine room, 15' Railway Post Office Compartment and large Baggage room. The second car in each train set 372 and 373 were divided coaches with a pair of restrooms and 24 seat Black section followed by the cars center entrance another pair of restrooms and 38 seat white coach section and small buffet. The two Observations 395 and 396 featured a large ladies restroom on the left side of the car followed by stateroom directly behind the ladies room on the same side. Next were three Pullman Sections on each side of the enter aisle. A large men's restroom was next followed by the cars off center entrances. The final area of these cars was an 18-seat lounge in the Observation end. A single 71-revenue seat divided coach number 374 was included in the original REBEL equipment list. This car ran between New Orleans and Jackson, Mississippi in the northbound REBEL and returned the next morning in the southbound REBEL.
An additional Cab-Power-RPO-Baggage unit 354 and two cars 380 and 381 with 6 sections and 40 revenue seats were delivered to the GM&N in January 1938. These were for operation between Mobile Alabama and Union, Mississippi where either the 380 or 381 was added to the northbound REBEL for the trip to Jackson, Tennessee. The southbound REBEL dropped either 380 or 381 at Union and it was forwarded to Mobile by the 354.
Two (new) GULF COAST REBELS were inaugurated October 29, 1940 between East. St. Louis, Illinois and Mobile, Alabama in both directions daily. Each train set consisted of five cars all were heavyweights streamlined for this service. Eight of the cars were streamlined in the GM&O shops at Jackson, Tennessee and the two Pullman cars were streamlined at the Pullman Calumet works. These two cars are the two we are concerned with here in a book about Observations. The two Pullman cars TORRAZZO TOWER and LEANING TOWER built in January 1925 were shopped at Pullman in September 1940 and emerged with streamlined roofs, skirting and given a finished end appearance at one end that loosely could be described as an Observation end complete with diaphragm. The interiors of the cars were remodeled to 8 Section 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedrooms and the fancy Red and Silver paint extended around the one end of these cars and the name GULF COAST REBEL was painted on the rear as well. The two cars were renamed DEEP SOUTH and SHOW ME for their assignment to the GULF COAST REBELS. The two cars were scrapped sometime in the 1950's.

8 SECTION 1 DRAWING ROOM 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Pullman January 1925 rebuilt and streamlined September 1940 Plan: 4090B (Rebuilt streamlined and renamed for GULF COAST REBELS)

DEEP SOUTH originally
TORAZZO TOWER

SHOW ME
Originally
LEANING TOWER

The original streamlined REBELS of 1935 began a new service in 1942 between East St. Louis and New Orleans and since this service to be maintained daily required three sets of trains and since the original REBELS only had two streamlined Observations a third was necessary. With wartime restrictions in place there was no way to order a new Observation so the Jackson, Tenn. Shops rebuilt REBEL car 381 to a third REBEL observation. Actually the car remained square ended but the sides next to the diaphragm were given a finished appearance similar to the rear of the two GULF COAST REBEL observations. The interior was rebuilt to the same as the other two REBEL observations except the lounge area of this car only seated 15 instead of the 18 found in the two factory built Observations for this train. Each car retained its original number but each car received a name as follows 395 OL' MAN RIVER, 396 KING COTTON, and 381 SMOKELESS CITY. All three REBEL train sets were retired and scrapped in 1957.

1 STATEROOM 6 SECTION 18 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) American Car & Foundry June 1935 (Built for and assigned to REBELS)

395 OL' MAN RIVER

396 KING COTTON

1 STATEROOM 6 SECTIONS 15 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Blunt) American Car & Foundry January 1938 Rebuilt to above configuration April 1942 (Rebuilt and assigned to REBEL service)

381 SMOKELESS CITY

On May 31, 1947 the Alton Railroad was merged into the GM&O and the two Observations from the ANN RUTLEDGE and ABRAHAM LINCOLN became GM&O property. The GM&O adopted the Alton Paint scheme and repainted all former GM&O trains into the new colors. The two former Alton Observations 5998 and 5999 continued to operate in their respective trains until retired in 1969.

18 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 17 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) American Car & Foundry April 1935 (Assigned to ANN RUTLEDGE)

5999

18 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 17 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) American Car & Foundry June 1935 (Assigned to ABRAHAM LINCOLN)

5998

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Hi Al

Good to see ya again![tup]

That is indeed sad news about Timken 1111. A shame that a fate like that awaited such a fine looking loco. Appreciate the background info ......

See ya at the bar![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Buddcar I too enjoyed the photo of the Timken 1111 it was sold to the NP becoming their 2626. It was cut up in Tacoma in 1958 I believe. Being a one of a kind loco it lasted right to the end of steam on the NP. It even carried lettering on the tender regarding its beginnings as Timken 1111. To bad that one wasn't saved just for its historical significance.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Hello BK!

That's a mighty fine 4-8-4 - outstanding as a matter of fact! Didn't have a clue that Timken had any of their own loco's. Probably something worth starting a discussion about - but of course better done at the bar - nothing much on the interactive end happens here!<frown>

Something else from the 49th State:

White Pass & Yukon (WPR) Historical Pix (courtesy: www.whitepassrailroad.com)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom!

En route the bar, but thought I would drop this off for your enjoyment!

Timken Roller Bearing Co. 4-8-4 #1111 (www.yesteryeardepot.com)


More where that came from over at the bar![tup]

BK

[siberianmo]

Morning!

Like that Poster, Lars! Thanx . . . [tup] I see that Fairbanks will have a low of -25(F) today! My kinda place![swg]

Check this out:

White Pass & Yukon RR (WPY) (from: www.whitepassrailroad.com)


For the "browsers" out there - stop by "Our" Place for Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom - quiet, quiet, quiet. Not so over at the bar![tup] Great pix from the guys and I expect more to come . . . .

Here's my offering for this AM . . .

For Tom’s Alaska Trip! Alaska RR 2006 print


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #61

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Lehigh Valley Railroad (LV)

Headquarters: New York

Mileage in 1950: 1,254

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 210

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 10,835
Passenger cars: 0

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City & New York City-Wilkes Barre, PA-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY (PRR tracks between Newark & Penn Station, NY)
Mountain Top-Pittston Jct., PA, via Avoca
Sayre, PA-Fair Haven, NY
Van Etten-Ithaca-Geneva, NY
Geneva-Auburn, NY
Ithaca-Canastota, NY
Rochester-Hemlock, NY
Sayre-Elmira & Horseheads, NY
Penn Haven Jct.-Hazleton-Mt. Carmel, PA
Towanda-Bernice, PA
South Plainfield-Perth Amboy, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Black Diamond (New York City & Philadelphia-Detroit)
Maple Leaf (New York City-Toronto, ON)
The Star (New York City-Buffalo)
Asa Packer (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)
The John Wilkes (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' All!

Hi Lars! Like that UP!![tup] Suggest you put that "up" for Sunday Photo Posting Day! at the bar.

One more from me, then I'm calling it "quits" 'til the 'morrow ........

PGE 1964 Timetable [fair use]


So, why would a PASSENGER train timetable show a FREIGHT train on the cover[?]

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hey Tom!

Just on my way home from the bar . . . thought I'd drop by. Just YOU, eh[?]

Check this out:

Union Pacific "special" being made up with business domes (www.trainweb.org)



Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Something from Germany!

Germany: ICE 3rd generation Train(Wikipedia)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Greettngs Tom!

Take a ride with me . . . .

Lounge area in UP dome car (from: www.trainweb.org)


Catch ua over at the bar![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check this out!

UP City of Los Angeles (www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #61

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) in a 1933 advertisement from my private collection:

The trail to “Wonderland”

Union Pacific serves 15 of our National parks and more of the famous scenic wonderlands of the West than does any other railroad. Plan now to see the west this summer. We suggest:

Zion-Bryce Canyon
. . .Yellowstone-Grand Teton
. . . . . .Rock Mountain-National Parks
. . . . . . . . . Colorado
California and Hawaii
. . . Pacific Northwest and Alaska
. . . . . .Western Dude Ranches
. . . . . . . . .Hoover Dam

All costs are down. Rail fares are the lowest ever offered. Sightseeing rates, hotels, meals – in fact, all expenses are reduced.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OVERLAND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

Still no takers, eh[?] Okay - here's another!

Ireland: Irish Rail #215 at Grand Canal Dock DART (2001) (GNU Free Documentation)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

One more!

GN Dome Coach (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Good to see ya again guys! Appreciate your help in keeping this Thread up 'n running!![tup]

This will make ya want to take a train trip!

ATSF Along Your Way (1945) (fair use)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Yo Tom!

'Tis I, Lars from the bar . . . so what's new over here[?] Hate to tell you this, but I saw 20 FIngers posting elsewhere. What's with that, huh[?]

BK If you like to laugh, the "Silver Streak" flick is a good one. Some great train shots too. Tom Nice CP Rail pix . . . . [tup]

Illinois Terminal[?] Sorry, mate - that's a "toughie." Let's see what I've got in the Photo Bucket . . .

Reading FTA/B 251 (late 1940s) (from: www.readingrailroad.org)


Hey BK I concur with your comments on the "visitor." Maybe it's me, but I detected something other than sincerity. Did a search on his posts, pretty much the same on this thread - a pattern. Some of these guys would be better served using email for their grips, complaints and "corrections." But apparently this person likes the "shadows," no email. What does that tell ya[?] Wherever you are Al ignore him.

Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom

Now those CP Rail dome observation cars are great looking inside and out. Each time I see one, I am reminded of my trip to Vancouver from Winnipeg with the party that 'broke out." I believe that was posted on these pages, but of course, without comment.

As someone who really had little time for movies, I am unfamiliar with the "Silver Perhaps will find a copy just to check out the trains! They took a CP train and redecorated some of it for the flick[?] Well, that is Hollywood, eh[?][swg]

Speaking of comments, is it me, or have we attracted someone with just a bit of "negativity"? Amazing is it not, how some can be a bit confrontational all the while seemingly hiding behind a "mask" of anonymity[?] I cannot and will not defend information I know very little of, however, the approach is bothersome. In real life .... well, enough said. I think we both know how it would be handled.

I expect to be back at the bar on Sunday with some pix - so fair warning![swg]

By the way, I left a posting over there for you.

BK

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another Pix to keep things movin' . . . .

CP #15407 Kokanee Park as Silver Streak for movie (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Lars!!

Good work![tup] Just to clarify a "point," these Posts of mine are not necessarily "Theme setters." We leave that to 20 Fingers! Check the info over at the bar on his status ....

Here's a little something "else," on a different road:

CP Rail's Waterton Park car (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom!

Man, that's a diffiuclt road to find anything on . . . however, here's something "borrowed" from http://www.illinoistractionsociety.org/ (as always: no intent to profit from this material, nor to claim it as my own - just for fun!)

QUOTE: The Illinois Terminal was a unique railroad. It served Illinois and St. Louis, Missouri from 1895 to 1981, successfully making the transition from a collection of street railroads to one of the Midwest's premier interurbans, the Illinois Traction System. Later, as it continued to grow and absorb several St. Louis area switching railroads, it evolved into the well-run Class 1 railroad, Illinois Terminal. Over its lifetime, it survived two World Wars and the Great Depression to evolve from an electrically operated interurban closely associated with the electric utility industry to an electric, steam, battery and diesel powered railroad and finally to a completely dieselized freight-only railroad. Yet, even during much of its six-axle locomotive era, the IT snaked through its territories on aging, 90 pound interurban rails. On its own, it outlasted such great railroads as the New York Central, Pennsylvania, Northern Pacific, Wabash and a score of others.

Regardless of the era studied, the Illinois Terminal did it like no other line; and generally did it with style and panache. Parlor cars sported mahogany and Spanish leather. Its electric freight motors, whether in Brewster green or "traction orange", were distinctly IT. And, even the "typical" was atypical on the Illinois Terminal. GP7's wore an eye catching green and yellow paint scheme when black and white was the norm, if not the rule. SW1200's spent nearly as much time in through-freight service as in the yards switching. Its six-axle diesel locomotives were SD39's - not SD40's!

The Illinois Terminal attracts railfans and historians from all parts of the country and from all railfan and historical special-interest subgroups. The IT evokes emotions and memories in everyone who remembers it, perhaps like no other line, large or small. For the modeler, it offers everything from frequent passenger service as one to five car trains, occasionally more, mixed in with short to moderate local and through freight trains and later 100+ car freight trains.

On May 8, 1982, the Illinois Terminal passed out of existence. However, it left a history that would fascinate and, in some cases, amuse any railfan or historian!

from: http://www.illinoistractionsociety.org/

See ya over at the bar![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #60

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Terminal (IT)

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Mileage in 1950: 462

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 14
Diesel: 18
Electric: 38
Battery Diesel-electric: 2
Battery trolley: 1
Diesel trolley 1

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 1,868
Passenger cars: 63

Principal routes in 1950: (Illinois, except as noted)

St. Louis, MO-Peoria
Springfield-Danville
Decatur-Mackinaw Jct. via Bloomington
Alton (Federal)-East St. Louis via Edwardsville
Alton- (Federal)-East St. Louis via Granite City
Venice-Grafton via Mitchell
Troy Jct.-O’Fallon

Passenger trains of note:

Capitol Limited (St. Louis-Peoria)
City of Decatur (St. Louis-Decatur)
Fort Crevecoeur (St. Louis-Peoria)
Illini (St. Louis-Champaign)
Illmo Limited (St. Louis-Peoria
Mound City (St. Louis-Peoria)
Owl (St. Louis-Peoria)
Peoria Flyer (St. Louis-Peoria)
St. Louis Flyer (Peoria-St. Louis)
Sangamon (St. Louis-Peoria


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Passenger fan:

The 1938 Century consist you included in your NYC post would have included 2 dining cars, not 1. The diners were built to be run with the dining rooms ends joined and the kitchen ends attached to the adjacent sleepers. Each dining room had three sections: a dinette with 2 4-seat tables nearest the kitchen; the main dining room with tables of various sizes seating 1 to 5 people; and a second dinette. The second dinette had windows at the end of the car so that when two diners were running back-to-back, patrons could look through to the next car, giving the impression of a long series of rooms. When the cars were operated singly, the windows were covered with mirrors.

The original plan had been to run two sections of the Century each way, one with 13 cars including 2 diners and one with 10 cars and 1 diner. I don't know how often the Century had enough patronage to make operating both sections worthwhile (before the traffic surge of WWII, of course). I've gotten the impression that streamlining did not attract much patronage to the Century. I know it didn't help the Broadway (see an old Trains or Classic Trains article, "A Tale of Two Trains," about the Broadway and the Trail Blazer).

Also, the original color scheme for the streamlined Century was light gray with a dark gray window band (not blue), with two aluminum stripes in the middle of the window band. Blue stripes bordered the window band, separating it from the lighter gray of the rest of the body.

I believe your statement that the Detroiter did not carry a dining car is incorrect. I've never seen a Detroiter consist in an NYC timetable that did not include a dining car. Perhaps you were thinking of the Cleveland Limited?

[LoveDomes]

Hi Tom!

That's a killer site you found, BK! Some great stuff for future use. Like those ICE cubes.[swg]

So, my guess is our pal, Al ain't comin' by today. Therefore, it's up to the three of us to keep this thread alive. Check these out:

British: 7903 GWR modified Hall Class "Foremarke Hall" {GNU Free Documentation)



British: GWR 5224 Winchcombe (GNU Free Documentation)


I'm headin' over to the bar . . . [tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Good Day Captain Tom


Here is a first for me over here, mark it down! I am going to provide two photos from my newly established internet account with PhotoBucket.com. Amazing, eh[?]

ICE Train at Munich, Germany (credit: www.freefoto.com)


and

ICE Train at Munich, Germany


How is that[?][swg] An accomplishment for the likes of me![tup]

BK